Most of you dumbasses don't even know how they work and start spreading bullshit about he can be defeated by x character from y series.
Accelerator can change the vector (hence to accelerate) of anything which comes into contact with him.
His mental calculations can either be active or passive, as mentioned from the series.
Its already mentioned in the series how he is able to reflect harmful frequencies of electromagnetic waves, hence why his hair is white and is unsure whether its natural or not since hes been reflecting from such a young age.
He literally cannot be beaten. Why? He can freely manipulate matter and electromagnetic waves. So the only chance of killing him is putting him in a place where he is not able to use his abilities, hint:
no such place exists.
If anyone dares to say 'well put him in free-space'
1) Dark matter is still matter, according to his abilities he is able to still manipulate that.
2) How would you even get him into free space to begin with.
In some way,shape, or form, 'psychic attacks' are only possible because there some connection between the opponent and yourself, this connection has to be tangible in some way.
Yes, that is how they work, if there is no connection how are you able to manipulate the person you're targeting.
Unless you're talking about some magical bs.
Accelerates the chemicals causing harm out of his body
Then use a vector-less attack. Use an attack that's based on scalars. Also, Accelerator's power isn't infinite. You can eventually overpower him if you apply great enough a force such that he can't redirect it. If you chuck him into a black hole, for example, I doubt his powers are strong enough to save himself.
As a big fan on Accelerator, I have to call bullshit. While he's extremely hard to beat and beating him would require very specific set of circumstances. It'll be harder if your definition of "beat" is killing him and not just knocking him unconscious and escaping. It's not impossible, but unless you're very powerful or can get around his powers some other way. It's not impossible, but it'll be difficult and pretty much a one-try thing because if you fail, you're dead.
The Flash can move the entire universe relative to Accelerator so that he's suddenly in space and suffocating to death
The Flash can steal all of Accelerator's speed away both active and passive and he'll be a statue
The Flash can pick up Accelerator directly or indirectly and toss him into the Speed Force where he will be vaporized into Speed Force energy
The Flash can go back in time and kill Accelerator's ancestors before they were even born
The Flash can accelerate Accelerator's rate of aging and have him die from old age in less than 1 attosecond
Onii-sama can murder Acceliturd before he can say Flash Step.
Magic could beat him, shit doesn't even have well-defined physics. E.g. Kumagawa's All Fiction. He's erased people before and even colors. Has to keep his powers in check or else he could erase the world.
There is no such thing as a 'vector-less' attack. To attack, you are already using a form of a vector. Scalar quantities are just magnitudes, if they dont move what are you going to do? Its like having a gun and bullet but not allowing to pull the trigger.
Being human to begin with already sets limitations, but so far concerning the series there are no such limits mentioned, after all he is able to create a plasma nitrogen bomb at his free will. So im pretty safe to say his powers are limitless
Elaborate on hard to beat requiring specific circumstances cause I dont believe it.
>cause that wouldnt be physical
Pretty much this, but at this point the discussion gets stupid, for example "What if you could wish him out of existence" lol.
I think you're just stupid
First of all, you're assuming that this person is an actual fan of Accelerator and not someone posting this thread to get responses. And second of all, Gilgamesh probably couldn't beat Accelerator
That's one ofthe basic misunderstood notions about his ability. It doesn't get harder for him to reflect something just because it's stronger (has a larger force) all vectors are reflected with minimal difficulty. Trying to overload him by throw massive amount of different vectors doesn't work which is why he can easily survive explosions.
"Let's see now... if I write that Accelerator doucheface never existed in the Sacred Tome...
What could possibly go wrong?"
One circumstance is being able to either cancel out or separate him from his powers. Most won't be able to do this. Another is to know his powers well enough to get around them. Another is to simply be so powerful his powers don't matter.
At this point were basically making things up, people could start saying "Yeah well ill get suzumiya haruhi to wish him out of existence"
Its kinda nonsensical.
1)Like I said in the 2nd post, we are unknown of the properties of dark matter, you don't know if he will suffocate in free space or not.
2)Flash cannot move the entire universe, otherwise he will require more energy than the universe has which isnt possible according to the laws of thermodynamics
4)Talking about time travel is nonsensical, we don't know how it works.
5)Flash can accelerate accelerators rate of aging? Yeah I think you need to pick up a physics text book
Sorry, pet lolis negate all suicide persuasion rolls.
I would love to see acceldrones explain how accelerator can win this fight
Id like to type out how many ways youre wrong but I think you are too stubborn to accept them>>111173267
>. Most won't be able to do this. Another is to know his powers well enough to get around them. Another is to simply be so powerful his powers don't matter.
How would you separate his powers from him? This is treading on assumptions now, we don't actually know how espers differ from humans. You cant get around his powers, his powers are simple laws of physics.
To all you "LET'S PUT HIM IN SPACE, THAT'LL KILL HIM" guys, remember, Accel has the body of a prepubescent girl because even his hormones are screwed up by the deflecting ability. As long as he had a balanced breakfast and a lungful of air before it happened, he might be able to deflect all energy and matter back into his body to become a self-sustaining system, rendering any environmental hazard ineffective.
Touma's right hand is a God level omnipotent ability. Basically on the same level as reality warping. I think OP is talking about how people like Xavier or Gilgamesh or Goku can kill Accelerator. It get a bit retarded when you start introducing characters like The one above all or some other reality warping character
Kihara-kun's vector tricking can beat him. That's already a valid method stated by the novel. There's also IB.
If we look at the current Accelerator and don't assume limitless usage of his power, he loses it after 30 minutes of usage due to running out of battery juice. If you don't rile him up enough for him to assume angel mode, then you can kill him at this time.
Thats correct.... but for the sake of argument etc etc.
Touma is normal except for his hand. Therefore if accelerator were to simply take a normal object such as metal and bend it into a barrier touma would die instantaneously.
First things first. If he can manipulate any vector simply by calculating it, he could theoretically just hurl the earth into the sun by messing with the gravity vector between them. Along those lines, he could stop an enemy's blood flow or alter air currents to suffocate them. What I'm getting at is that his power isn't very well defined and, theoretically, he could kill pretty much anybody with a thought.
I guess his limitation is the calculation step. If you subjected him to an attack with a large amount of unpredictable factors, he wouldn't be able to calculate himself out of it.
I'm not sure? But I'm sure that there's a way to make sure he cannot use his powers period, even angel mode. I don't see Academy City not having a way to shut its espers down if need be
Are you for fucking real? Do you have any clue whatsoever on how cell respiration works?
And no, this faggot doesn't the ability to split atoms. He manipulates force vectors and negates opposing vectors to effectively make the most of his power.
>implying he can't vector age and stay a Japanese high school student forever
WHY DO YOU WANT TO KILL HIM SO BAD, ANON-KUN? JEALOUSY?
>Its kinda nonsensical.
>are unknown of the properties of dark matter
>which isnt possible according to the laws of thermodynamics
>time travel is nonsensical, we don't know how it works.
>Yeah I think you need to pick up a physics text book
What I find hilarious is that you keep saying other characters aren't consistent with the laws of physics when Accelerator's ability isn't consistent either.
It's like you magically draw the line right at his abilities. Anything more is "nonsensical", anything less is a-ok.
Yeah Accelerator has an planet killing ability that doesn't deal with sending the planet into the nearest start. Just take orbiting vector break it into two vectors and send it towards each other. Planet explodes
George Cloony could kill Accelerator if he got the drop on him. The auto reflection cannot discern the danger of the weak kinetic forces, and he won't be able to focus enough to stop the heart attack once he realizes what is happening.
He was able to reprogram Last Order's brain and he can produce and manipulate exotic matter. Respiration is a much simpler physiological function than human cognition and the most reasonable assumption about dark matter creation is that he produces it from normal matter, which would probably involves subatomic shenanigans. Splitting a couple of oxygens off a carbon would probably be child's play.
>I guess his limitation is the calculation step
I guess his tardiness is his limitation, it took him 10000 sister to come up with the reverse blood flow trick and a fist into the face to realize that he can control the air.
>Just take orbiting vector break it into two vectors
It's not just one or two vectors he has to calculate all the momentum, velocity, force, the displacement, etc. on a planetary scale and use all that shit to hurl a planet into the sun.
Accelerator is strong as shit, but he aint that strong. nigga can move a building. thats about it
Defeat as in another person causing an earlier death than the natural intended time. But yeah thats the only way he dies I guess.
This is incorrect. He can change the vector of electromagnetic waves, which on earth travels almost at the speed of light. Too slow is completely out of the question
Well if youre not sure youre just making stuff up. E.g "why dont we wish him out of existence" as I mentioned before
This is sort of like magic, theres a tangible link.
He does have the ability to split atoms. If hes able to condense nitrogen in the air into plasma, that requires MUCH more energy than splitting an atom.
What I mean by that is accelerator at least has well defined abilities. His ability is basically to change vectors after all, thats not too far fetched isnt it? Its more logical than "magic" rofl
Something like a voodoo doll would kill him.
Something that is deadly to even look at would kill him.
Various psychics from manga/anime would kill him.
Planet destroying attacks or attacks that could change the location could kill him.
If they were aware of his trick, characters with enough physical ability could do it. (This is exactly the kind of horseshit that say, Jotaro and Star Platinum could exploit, because Jojo's is silly)
There are lots of ways to do it. His ability is still very strong, but not really unbeatable.
Accel's power works via a field. To execute precisely calculated manipulations, he has to almost be touching what he wants to vector.
His field automatically deflects anything that touches it if he isn't issuing any commands to it, though. If you threw a bunch of random attacks at him, his field would deflect them even if he couldn't calculate anything useful.
Good look against the eight dragons in his arm.
Well, that's because he's a dipshit who's power was so great he never even thought about applying it in different ways. He just thought he would win because nobody could harm him. Until Touma broke that illusion of his. Accelerator just needs more life experience and creativity. He's only about 16, anyway.
His power is not well defined. Does he redirect vectors by will alone or does some force have to be supplied? If he were to try to stop a ball from falling, could he just calculate its gravity vector and redirect it upwards so it stops falling, or would he have to do something more fancy like actually supply a force to the ball? If it's the latter, then his power is nothing more than telekinesis.
Why is it that accelfags nowadays are always wannabe STEM-fags, what happened to the actual STEM-fags?
>He does have the ability to split atoms. If hes able to condense nitrogen in the air into plasma, that requires MUCH more energy than splitting an atom.
Fuck no. This whole vector manipulation concept escapes you, doesn't it? He is manipulating airflows and increasing kinetic energy by also manipulating vectors. How is this so hard to understand?
>What I mean by that is accelerator at least has well defined abilities.
Define, completely and unambiguously, his abilities.
>His ability is basically to change vectors after all, thats not too far fetched isnt it?
It's just as far-fetched as magic. It breaks fundamental laws of physics, regardless of how "well-defined" it is.
>Its more logical than "magic" rofl
You can't say something is more illogical than something else. It's akin to the error of saying something is "more unique". They're both illogical and unrealistic abilities.
If hes able to change the direction of electromagnetic waves Im happy to assume he can change the direction of atoms.
Nothing moves faster than the speed of light as we know it. Even if he is able to move faster than the speed of light, touma would die since hes a regular human =).
If he could retain the same amount of energy and matter within his field, he could just recycle it. It would just be a matter of rearranging the configuration to continue biological processes.
At least as far as we know at this point in time given human knowledge. The question of whether experience and ideation requires external input to "grow" comes up.
Assuming a matter/energy configuration model of the human body, though, he could do it.
What could accelerator do against petrification?
actually i recall their best defense is Rensa 29 who has the ability to copy the ability of the level 5 espers. I don't know why but she is ranked alot lower than acceleator on the tier chart
Do the VAs ever come back or no? I already tried adding the PS2 voice patch but it still didn't add them.
All power level threads are Demonbane threads anyways.
The only reason Accel can change vectors is because he literally produces a field that makes physics bend to allow his power to exist. Saying Flash can't do x because it's not realistic is pretty fucking retarded when Acceletator canonically breaks physics to exist.
There were always eight, anon. You just didn't recognize the eyes for what they were.
His abilities are something that we are quantifiable, e.g Its just basic physics principals
You could argue that, I wouldn't disagree immediately.
Again I cant argue that im right, but for the sake of this thread.
Assuming the bomb explodes.... assuming the bomb's explosions covers a large volume
>implying he couldnt do anything about that.
May as well Suzumiya Haruhi can kill him too, then.
Not quite sure if he literally "produces a field", it may seems so in the series but as far as I remember thats only the reflection part of his ability, not how they actually work.
Well id just say youre cheating, you can either have touma OR flash, otherwise you may as well say everyone that ever exists vs accelerator
Recognized them even before this shit came out.
Nonsense, what "book" is this. Hes able to make plasma right under his fingertips, and you're saying he'll die from a petty nuke? He can easily contain the explosion within a volume of air.
Does Accel have bloodlust?
If the 3rd season of anime gets released we'll see...
I feel that the directors made him do this because he would just be too powerful, with his powers that he has a nuke couldnt kill him...
>There is no type of attack you can throw at him that is as complex as what he was doing to last order's brain.
Him saving LO that way was bad writing and really shouldn't be used as a basis. Same way Misaka can magically hack anything because hurr durr electricity
LN and Animation sometimes have differences. Whether that applies for this I am not sure. But no, I havent read the LN I dont want to spoil myself, I want to be excited when I watch the anime
Pretty sure he has auto-protect always on. Same reason you can't backstab or snipe him.
Real way of killing him would be to make him impossible to get any food whatsoever, until he starves.
I wonder how he perceives vectors. If it's a combination of normal senses just heightened and accelerated by his genius super brain, then I say fire a high powered laser through his eye.
Even though he deflects most vectors, he obviously allows visible light through his eyes, and he literally can't see the laser coming since it moves at the speed of light so he wouldn't be able to change that property of his field fast enough.
Probably blow earth up. Weak ass frieza could blow a planet up, geck, even master roshi could blow up the moon, so that's even more powerful than a nuke.
So yea, anyone's who's stronger than master roshi could probably kill accel.
What? Ive already disproven one flash guy.
Like I mentioned in the OP, if hes able to reflect electromagnetic waves which are harmful (which is why his hair is white like he said) it doesn't matter how 'he' perceives them, hes able to change them, visibly seeing them or not.
Mentioned in post 2, vacuum still has matter, dark matter.
Anyone above Angel Mode Accel can easily beat him within his own universe. People of Ollerus level could too.
Question is, how the fuck do you get him in a vacuum.
Maybe his whitelist includes solar and lightbulb light, but not other types, just to be sure someone ain't gonna use no lazor on his retina ?
Freeza uses some sort of plasma energy attack, reflected. As for the nuke part, yeah its just inconsistent with the anime series, because he said hes able to control vectors in which he could indirectly save himself from the nuke, then says he will suffocate from the nuke
Its just bs, he wont die from the nuke.
Well yeah, of course. The real question is how do you kill him and only him.
Blowing up the planet to kill Accel is like erasing your save file to kill a boss you're having trouble with, what's the point ?
I don't know about that. His physical appearance is the way it is because sunlight can't fuck with him. And you'd still be dead. No, that definitely would not work, the whitelist would only allow a certain degree of light or some shit to affect him, the laser would probably be reflected away without affecting him whatsoever.
>Maybe his whitelist includes solar and lightbulb light, but not other types, just to be sure someone ain't gonna use no lazor on his retina ?
Your physics knowledge is terrible. Did you even graduate from high school? What do you think visible lasers exactly are?
People a couple of posts above said that "In the LN accelerator says he would die if he were to get nuked", quite frankly I dont believe this or am questioning the people right now.
He's too dumb to think of it.
"Harmful" is not a strong classification.
White light is white light.
But sunlight does fuck with him since he can SEE IT.
>then says he will suffocate from the nuke
>Its just bs, he wont die from the nuke.
Accelerator is not capable of saving himself from an oxygen-less environment. He doesn't know how to do it.
Vacuum has dark matter, but we have no way of measuring it or calculating any way of affecting it. The only reason Accelerator can use the power the way he does is because he knows how the forces he affects work. When he was younger he didn't know everything but he could still deflect things he could visually perceive. He can neither understand nor see dark matter, therefore he can not affect it with his powers.
You don't have to put him in a vacuum, just create a vacuum around him. In addition you have espers who can teleport people and objects without touching them.
which part of blow earth up you don't understand?
cell and frieza would survive in atmosphere, or any other alien shit in DBZ. And besides, the thread's about how to kill him? Why the fuck would I care if everyone else is dead? You make it seem as if only the good guys can kill this faggot? I think ciao zu can kill him too, ciao zu that dumbasss has that magic finger which makes you suffer from raging diarhea. Raging diarhea until he cant think or compute and then kill him.
Also, I think i saw this once, don't know if it;'s mentioned in this thread, any flying faggot in DBZ can win against accel, just follow him around and destroy shit, cant eat, cant drink = dead accel. Obviously that takes very very very long
Not really, the anon told you that flash can just move touma to punch Accelerator in the face much faster than the speed of light. Touma would be protected by speed force and thats the end of accel
Unless you are so powerful you can warp reality or that vectors don't matter to you, you cannot beat him unless you can stop him from using his power. Even when magic "shits on him" he's still reasonably okay
Assuming you're an Earth citizen, even if you don't care if everyone is dead because you're a bad guy, you still lost the place where you keep all your stuff, ya know ? :^)
Also, I mentionned earlier in the thread to let him die of starvation by not letting him get access to food, so yeah.
In that context it is a classification, but regardless he can reflect ANY electromagnetic wave.
Don't want to read, want to watch the anime, otherwise when im watching the anime im going to be unexcited and say "oh and this is where xyz happens"
He could just use his wings and fly away... there are countless ideas and possibilities that he can do. People don't instantly die without oxygen, he could probably survive 45 seconds or a minute like a normal human without oxygen.
Exactly, which is why I mentioned in this post we are unsure of it so we cannot determine possibilities that he could do, but saying he cannot understand or see (see is a useless term because he doesnt need to see EM waves to reflect them) is an assumption, Academy city is very advanced and we are unsure of their discoveries about physics/chemistry
You cant blow it up if accelerator reflects the blast.
Suzumiya Haruhi can also wish him out of existence, also I said hes using two characters. Why don't I get two characters? Why not just say every person in existence vs. accelerator? It gets stupid at a point.
If Touma can't beat a the average magician like pic related, then neither can Accel. Checkmate anime-onlyfag.
Friendly reminder that Season 3 Never.
My understanding of his power is that he can change the direction of a vector directly back on itself, cancelling it out. so if you did something like lasso him, wouldn't he be stuck in the rope because the only vector is his pushing back on the rope? Couldn't you do it on a larger scale, like wrapping him in a roll of steel so he can't move? I have only watched the anime so Idk about any of his other abilities.
And how do you plan to keep him from food and water? He could use his powers to break just about any restraint you could put on him, including drugs. Not to mention, he'd likely kill you. So your plan wouldn't work, idiot.
>Don't want to read, want to watch the anime, otherwise when im watching the anime im going to be unexcited and say "oh and this is where xyz happens"
Yeah that's totally why LN readers don't want Season 3, because they already know what happens. Holy shit you're retarded.
>Suzumiya Haruhi can also wish him out of existence, also I said hes using two characters. Why don't I get two characters? Why not just say every person in existence vs. accelerator? It gets stupid at a point.
Because you're being stubborn, it's already mentioned that flash can move faster than anything, flash by himself can easily beat accel
Touma's hand is the opposite of reality warping. Canonically, all Espers and Magicians are reality warper that constantly damage the fabric of reality by bending or outright changing the rules of physics to suit their whims.
IB is simply a set point in the universe that always maintains it's consistency and has always existed in one form or another as either a weapon, object, location or something else. Negating supernatural powers is just a side effect of being something that cannot be forced to change.
Plenty of other planets I guess? meh, point is, he's dead. Pyrrhic victory I know. but sometimes man, sometimes.
any of them can probably move faster than accel and blow shit up from anywhere. Not aimed at him, but directly to the earth's core. try to be a bit creative. Not everything's aimed at accel. Never seen him reflect shit from the other end of the planet, so yea.
>Assumping all LN readers dont want season 3
What is the point of your post? How am I retarded in any way from that post.
Again I wont say that his powers can manipulate dark matter, but if he could were unsure of what he could actually do, we dont know how matter links to dark matter. Who knows that dark matter can be turned into regular matter some how and create his own Oxygen?
Poster above mentioned Touma's right hand cancels the speed force and kills himself.
Also it doesnt matter if he can move fast, he reflects. How exactly does Flash kill accelerator? speed isnt a factor
Indirectly killing him, A poster above mentioned about this. Were talking 1 v 1.
What makes you think he'll know I did it ?
Also, I'm not stupid, I'm ordering every boat on the planet away from Japan.
Shit, I don't remember, can this faggot fly long distances ?
Couldn't Shrike from Hyperion just one up what Zoom did to wally?
Doraemon might have a dogu to solve Accel
No, they tried that on Vegeta and Nappa. But they probably weren't just creative enough when wishing.
He can reflect any electromagnetic wave, but he doesn't because otherwise he wouldn't be able to see. Light is not considered "harmful" to him so he allows it though his eyes (and actually every other part of him otherwise you wouldn't be able to see him).
So his defences are down when it comes to visible light. And considering that we have commercially available lasers that can burn skin using visible light, if we just up the megawatts a bit you could kill him pretty easily.
restraint him? why would they, just destroy anything in his vicinity, he's slow as shit.
1 v 1 doesn't allow indirect killing? why not? a kill is a kill. and it is directly killing him. And a billion other innocent people.
Doesn't accel needs to comprehend the vector of the thing he's manipulating or some shit? I don't think human can comprehend flash. Don't know, he might, but before he recomputes his auto protect, he dies.
I'm a Gilfagand Gil's pride aside i dont think he can win unless one of his NP's works like Touma's arm or the shit that came out of it.
That said I'm pretty sure an informed or really powerful Majin can fuck him up.
Not him, but it's obvious that Accelerator's autoreflection has parameters regarding shit like intensity speed and so on to know what's harmful or not.
For example, he can feel a breeze of wind.
But a Wind esper can't use super strong winds to attack him.
And that's exactly why i love KnK. Give an OP power to a non-OP person, effectively making it balanced. Imagine that in the hands of someone stronger...
On second thought, Shiki's 3rd Personality is effectively "The Universe" itself. If that's used?
Well, at some point in the comics, the flash reaches the height of his power and is able to be literally everywhere in the universe at once. At this point you go beyond vectors and and measurable force.
And I do believe you are mistaken in one aspect, his subconscious defense is actually very limited. Which means that most attacks that go beyond throwing objects or energy at him has to be concious and calculated. Which means it depends on his reaction speed and is ability to make calculated predictions. Objects or energy moving at the speed of light from an unknown position are beyond predictability and impossible to react to. So there are in fact plenty of things that can kill Accel.
You have to cut that concept in order for it to work.
I could be wrong, but I think the concept of him exists only inside his body and inside the Root. Both places are out of reach.
>2) How would you even get him into free space to begin with.
Easy. Instead of moving him. I move everything around him, ie. the Earth, moon and atmosphere and everything else in it.
it will be if like i said, some dick started following him flying around destroying everything edible. any dbz warrior with flying abilities can do this.
no one needs to fight him, just avoid him and destroy his shit. he has really shitty offensive capabilities.
No, no, no, no, no. You're getting way too ahead of yourself. The light from that would be deemed harmful and reflected without harming him in any meaningful way. Even if that temporarily blinds him, you can't hurt him because of auto-reflect. He doesn't have to see something to have his power work. Otherwise, his arc would have ended when the Sister tried to snipe him in the very beginning.
>1) Dark matter is still matter,
But he can't interact with it
KAKINE'S DARK MATTER ISN'T THE ACTUAL DARK MATTER/ENERGY SCIENTISTS TALK ABOUT.
Saying that Accelerator could interact with it and create oxygen is just fucking stupid.
Actually his automatic defences (subconcious defenses) cover physical objects and energy like heat and electricity.
But like I said here >>111176773
there are plenty of things that would actually kill him.
Could you provide examples?
Im allowed to assume things for myself, cause I determine things for myself. Youre deciding my outcome? now thats REALLY retarded
Magnitude of vectors don't affect him.
I dont think freeza/dbz characters can destroy the planet anyway. You mentioned how they could "teleport" into the core and directly blow it up, Cooler died to a sun, freeza nearly died by a plasma ball (spirit bomb), Accelerator can do the same thing.
I wont talk about whether he can comprehend a vector or not because we do not know what they know.
Flash couldnt be at every point in the universe at once, he would have more energy than the universe it self then, its a plot inconsistency. Even if he was though, what could he really do to accelerator?
As for accelerator and his subconscious defence. Mistaken. He reflects EM waves without thought, these travel at the speed of light, no need to calculate, hence his hair is white how he mentioned in the series.
According to his powers he is theoretically able to. Whether you accept that or not is not up to me
He is bound to the earth by gravitational force. Who could do such a thing anyway?
Which is why I said ill refrain from talking about this right now because its a gray area.
Oh, and for the record, the only people capable of killing accelerator in a tangible, direct, non-blowing-up-the-planet-to-kill-one-single-person-kinda way are people with MEoDP, I;E Tohno Shiki, Ryougi Shiki, Nanaya Shiki, etc etc, and possibly Archetype:Earth.
If we're talking all out godhood, then Featherline Augustus would do the trick.
If we're talking Hax, then...well...Najimi Ajimu aka Anshi'in, aka "all skill" wielder.
Those are the only non galaxy busters that I can imagine standing a chance against accelerator in a legitimate way, although technically featherline augustus is a multi-verse buster, she still doesn't count as an opponent.
>According to his powers he is theoretically able to.
He needs to understand how to do it. He says that a nuke can kill him, therefor he doesn't know how to do it and is therefor unable to do it.
I feels it in ma boens. I said screencap it in a "you wait and see you faggots, what i'm saying is true and will happen!, screencap this so you can look back and be like "oh shit, he was rite""
No source, just "intuition".
We already mentionned MEoDP, mind telling us how, even giving it their all, not-Void!Ryougi and Nanaya could possibly manage to hit Accel ?
Fuck, that's a nice scenario. Wonder what would happen.
>he would have more energy than the universe it self then, its a plot inconsistency
Kakine creates matter out of nothing
There is no inconsistency because raildex is fucking retarded
>He reflects EM waves without thought, these travel at the speed of light, no need to calculate, hence his hair is white how he mentioned in the series.
But you can see him you stupid fuck, so he's not reflecting all EM waves. Otherwise he'd look something like a mirror.
Yeah , but that's because they knew before hand how his powers operated, and even that person didn't win in the end by the way. Accelerator went level 6 psychopath on that dog guy and sent him flying into orbit
You're still getting way too ahead of yourself. Light isn't going to cut it, if it comes into contact with the field of his power, it's reflected away instantly. The speed or magnitude or anything like that won't affect his calculations. Also, his subconscious defenses are the same as his normal power. If it has a vector, it won't make it through.
He can theoretically gather oxygen and create plasma, so what's to make you think he's incapable of such a thing? Not who you responded to, but just saying.
It's the reason why he survived the dust explosion also.
they can, in fact frieza did it. roku killed the moon. cell too. goku can do it as commented by cell, with a simple kamehame ha. And core? why not just the other side of the planet? accel cant travel as fast as them.
they probably could, and i believe they can, because ki is unlike any other energy fathomable in this universe and accel needs to know wtf it is and add it into calculation. But then you guys would probably say reflected even if you guys know this to be true.
so yea. he has an unbelievable defense ability, and can manipulate whatever is in his aim field, but he's slow, and he's physically weak. no way to kill them dbz warriors, how can he? he cant even touch them? lazer beams or silly shit like that don't even phase most dbz warriors?
accel can't comprehend gae bolg. he dies. how can you calculate the vector of something that is already there?
I'm pretty sure that in this context "magic that is guaren-fucking-teed to spear the victim's heart" > vectors that repel any force. The spear by it's very nature transcends the laws of physics.
Something you dont understand doesnt make you retarded. You sound like an ignorant person from the 1500's who believed the heavens cried when it rained.
Well we don't really know what accelerator knows...
>He creates matter that doesnt exist.
>The matter he just created exists.
>Obviously he chooses which to reflect
>Reflect all except visible light frequency
>Mirror? you mean he would appear black
I swear people have no basic concept of physics
For sake of argument, lets say its a 1v1, but if you really want to be precise about the dbz vs accelerator I'll have to think about this
The EM waves you're talking about are one of the types of energy he can subconsciously deflect because electricity is easy to comprehend and predict. Heat is also one of the things he can automatically deflect, so a laser beam for example would not affect him, and neither would a lightning bolt. However there are plenty of other types of energy that are highly unpredictable and deadly.
Also in response to the whole "creating oxygen". His powers can only "physically" affect matter, so he can induce chemical reactions by putting certain stresses or applying heat by friction and so forth. So by doing this he could theoretically have certain molecules release Oxygen atoms in to the air around him. However he can not affect matter on a molecular level, like transforming one atom into another by "removing" electrons. One, because he would not be able to see anything on a subatomic level (which you would have to, to physically change an atom). And second, it would create nuclear reactions which are highly unpredictable and he wouldn't be able to deflect or control it, hence killing himself in the process.
>Mirror? you mean he would appear black
>I swear people have no basic concept of physics
Black absorbs light you stupid fuck
That little teleporting shit girl could just teleport a rod into his braid, I assume.
I mean maybe she turns shit into radio waves to transmit them and he could block that, but I've only ever seen the things vanish and reappear, so I can assume it would work.
I honestly do not believe you understand how powerful the MEoDP are. Otherwise if you did, you wouldn't be saying that kind of stupid shit.
Those eyes are God tier level
If accelerator is chillin, walkin down the street or something and lets say for instance, Nanaya comes charging in, and accelerator thinks he's some pleb with a knife and activates his field vector, and it gets sliced through immediately, accelerator won't have time to react.
But if it's the other way around, it'll probably happen the same, nanaya will think accelerator is just some skinny bastard trying to pick a fight, he'll pull his knife out, and then nanaya will get twisted apart by a vector he was unprepared for.
In BOTH instances, they'd kill each other if unaware of the others presence.
However, if they're plopped into a cage or whatever, I think it will just be accelerator throwing vectors constantly, and then they continually get cut and broken until nanaya gets too tired to swing his arm anymore and finally dies unless accelerator somehow fucks it up and gets his throat slashed, I honestly doubt he'd make a mistake, but if it's Ryougi we're talking about, she'd think of some clever shit, i'm sure.
Keep in mind that Nanaya and Ryougi are INSANELY fast.
Much faster than accelerator.
>Magnitude of vectors don't affect him.
I think you underestimate how much energy is released by a supernova. Even if he somehow managed to deflect all that energy — the rough equivalent of several billion hydrogen bombs being detonated at point blank range — by conservation of momentum, the self-inflicted backlash from reversing the momentum of all that radiation would literally be like getting hit by a mountain... a mountain moving at a sizable fraction of the speed of light. (Also, there's literally zero reaction time, because the radiation arrives at the speed of light.)
Then, a few seconds later, the shockwave hits and turns the whole planet into a cloud of superheated plasma.
We do? Please tell me what hes going to have for breakfast tomorrow.
Last orders pussy
Jokes aside you get my point.
Now youre classifying what "easily comprehended" is, look, they are in a time where technology is advanced and middle school girls LEARN ABOUT QUANTUM MECHANICS. Its just hard for us, not them.
To your oxygen argument. He is able to affect matter on a molecular level, he does not need to "SEE" these things, he comprehends them in ways we cannot imagine, proof? Episode of when he was performing "beyond electron microscopic levels" of brain surgery on Last order (yes he quoted beyond electron microscopic)
As for the nuclear reactions part; nuclear reactions are easy to detect because they usually involve some sort of "chain" process, smart as he is he would easily recognize this.
The easy fix for this is just to reflect visible light, if she does not know where he is, she is unable to teleport the object into him.
I know its powerful, yes, but from what were provided in the anime he can negate any vector as he mentions
if it's 1 v 1, i can only think of the follow him around dick with his food and shit scenarioand that takes a long time.
well there's ciao zu which i mentioned. he can make some guy's stomach hurt real bad. Like raging diarrhea bad. through his magic fingers. I don't know if there's any vector to reflect, this one, cause early DBZ had magic shit it in.
well if he survives the initial barrage of ki i guess? I don't know, maybe it's something he can understand and the calculation is actually predictable and shit?
well accel can keep reflecting, how many fragas do you have? I don't think it's a good idea to play ping pong with him.
I meant Ollerus before he lost his powers and his arms. As for Thor, he can just do what he did against kiddy Gremlin and Touma in NT10.
>“Does your spell always move you to the point that will let you win?”
>“Well done. It’s technically the world that moves, though.”
>and accelerator thinks he's some pleb with a knife and activates his field vector, and it gets sliced through immediately, accelerator won't have time to react.
That's where I'll have to ask something.
Slice the vector field ?
I'm not an expert on that stuff, but vectors are the direction in which things move, right ? A vector by itself isn't actually a thing, how does Shiki kill it ? Accel just makes the knife go another way, he doesn't actually create a solid StarWars forcefield made of vectors, does he ?
Not the guy you're replying too, but it's true that magnitude of vectors don't work. He's not "pushing" back the energy or the force. He's just changing it's direction, so "technically" there would be no backlash because "technically" there is no counter-force.
>To your oxygen argument. He is able to affect matter on a molecular level, he does not need to "SEE" these things, he comprehends them in ways we cannot imagine, proof?
Rewriting LO's brain is shitty writing and doesn't grant him the ability to freely do anything with his power. He still lost to a kid who punched him and would have died to an infinite amount of things Accelerator could theoretically do.
Accel cannot create oxygen because he tells us. That's it. That's all there is.
>Though we don't know how it works because we've had no examples
Teleportation works by moving the object through the eleventh dimension and requires a shitload of vectors and calculations.
>The easy fix for this is just to reflect visible light
You mean refract.
His stamina is not infinite. He gets exhausted from healing LO's brain damage or something IIRC, he can't hope to withstand something of that magnitude.
regardless of the direction he deflects it into, by the laws of physics there would still be an opposing force as soon as he comes into contact with said force, doesnt necessarily have to be a backlash, just as a box lying on the ground experiences a normal force by the ground, even if its not moving
Really? he says that he cannot create oxygen? links to proof?
Its kinda like the same problem with the whole nuke thing how people say in the LN he himself says he will die to it, when actually his powers could easily negate it
Accel can be beaten through the power of
Hmm, anybody who can create force fields or jazz. Put one around him, move it with him so he can't touch the walls, watch him suffocate.
Anybody psychic or magic would probably bullshit on through.
Get him on a bridge over a big water source. Drop him in. I assume since he can't just accelerate shit, he can only push away water at the force it is pushing on him, and no air could follow him underwater. Suffocate as he subconsciously created a little constantly collapsing vacuum bubble around himself maybe.
My first thoughts
Not that guy and I'm not even going to bother reading that guy's post, but Accel is essentially an extremely strong telekinetic. It's not his skin reflects thing, but rather he has a thin telekinetic field covering his body that he modifies through calculations.
If his powers worked as they're actually described Misaka could hypothetically kill him with a sufficiently intense electric field
but since they are just bullshit plot power with pseudo-science sounding names she can't.
Also since its all bullshit reality warping why does his warping take precedence over anyone elses reality warping? (yeah yeah plot i know) I mean is there an in universe explanation for why his bullshit is of higher quality?.
>starting an argument out of nowhere
>not reading the LN
>genius at bullshit science
I'm surprise this thread got so many replies, then again, threads have many replies are mostly shit.
He would recognize the process and maybe even contain the energy of the nuclear explosions. But this whole argument is based on him trying to create oxygen from a vacuum.
Also when referring to his "auto-defense", the protection is subconscious. So when I say easy to comprehend, I'm not referring to the knowledge. The brain doesn't work like that, it doesn't subconsciously make calculations on a quantum mechanic level. It's the things the brain learns when it's young. You touch fire, you get burned. You brain instantly learns intense heat = bad. You get hit in the face by a rock, you learn moving physical objects hurt = avoid. You stick your finger in an outlet you receive an electric shock, electricity = bad. That is literally how simple his automatic defenses are. If it was any more advanced than that, he wouldn't be able to have them in the first place because it would block out sunlight so he would be blind, it would also block out the air so he wouldn't be able to breathe.
Remember, we're talking about his subconscious defenses, he can't turn this off. It's the reason why all the shit happened to him when he was a kid as well.
>His stamina is not infinite. He gets exhausted from healing LO's brain damage or something IIRC, he can't hope to withstand something of that magnitude.
That's because it required incredibly complex calculations in extremely strenuous circumstances.
Just increasing the magnitude alone won't make the calculations any harder. 1+1 and 25684498+2575738993 aren't any different in Accel's brain.
Accel can't survive having his name wrote in the death note
Yes, this needs to be updated to post NT10.
>I assume since he can't just accelerate shit, he can only push away water at the force it is pushing on him, and no air could follow him underwater.
He can. How else would he be able to send steel beams flying with light kick if he couldn't?
He's above them too, his personal reality (in other words his delusions) are stronger than even the other Level 5s. That's why his power takes precedence, because of his delusions.
But how ? Like I said earlier, unless I'm completely misunderstanding how vectors work, which is totally possible, are they not just the direction something goes ?
Like, are you telling me that if Ryougi walked down the street, and someone was about to hit her with his can arrow, she could kill the arrow's vector and make it go the other way, without destroying the arrow ?
That is correct with real physics, the point of his power though is that there is no opposing force to his vector changing ability, hence he is called the accelerator.
Which person could make a force field that removes oxygen and move it around with him that he could not escape/touch it, a person isnt able to compute that and predict his movements.
>Assuming he cant accelerate shit
Wot? Thats the point of him
Also he can just use his tornado wings and fly
>Fun fact there is oxygen diffused in water.
Electric fields are able to be deflected by him, electric fields are vector quantities.
For some reason I cant believe this
Accelerator says himself he does his defense like an on and off switch, I wouldn't necessarily say the subconscious things he does is basic. Well theres no point of proving it though.
I guarantee you if they fought again touma would die incredibly fast, the first time he didn't know what was going on, he didnt know of toumas existence or his right hand and what it did, he was confused.
Aiwass nearly killed him by pretty much looking at him. Aleister and Othinus would shit on him too.
He can only handle magic with Angel Mode, look at the Cendrillon fight in NT3, he backed the fuck away from her foot crushing spell because there were no vectors to manipulate.
I dont think its possible, by default if there is no cause of death they die by a heart attack, its proven in the series that even when hes unconscious he can subconsciously control blood flow (he did this to save that scientist girl) and theres no object that can possibly kill him. so in conclusion the deathnote will have no affect, cause it will keep trying to kill him but its not possible because of his reflection
>I guarantee you if they fought again touma would die incredibly fast, the first time he didn't know what was going on, he didnt know of toumas existence or his right hand and what it did, he was confused.
As of the latest volume, Accel has lost 3 times to Touma.
Then how is he albino, huh? The harmfulness of UV rays and such things aren't something you find out naturally as a kid. Sunburn, yes, you realize that extended exposure to direct sunlight is bad. But you don't realize WHY it's bad. His auto-reflect is a part of his power, so it has the same ability as his conscious power usage, only it's set to automatically reflect any "harmful" thing with a vector.
It might differ when it comes to the anime adaptation; im not sure. But think about it though, its just for the directors intent, touma is a normal human except for his right hand, accelerator can stomp the ground and destroy everything and kill everyone within a kilometer if he wanted to. Its for the sake of the story
If it ever comes off.
Dormamu Shuma Gorath Izanami and the watcher could all kick shitty accelfag ass /a/ really think they can deal with /co/s powerlevelz
It depends on if the Death Note's attack has a vector. Which...I don't really see how it could be? It's more of an instant magic. The biggest problem is you'd need the Shinigami eyes so you'd lose half your life or force someone else to
How do you make him turn it off? Or make him use up his battery without getting killed in process?
His auto reflect since birth works unconsciously. How else do you explain a kid being able to calculate formulas to deflect hundreds of bullets when they try to capture him.
I don't think you realize how many volumes there are in Index. There's 32 main series volumes with many side story volumes. Anime adapted up to 14. After 14 Accel and Touma fight two more times in which Accel was even stronger than before and still lost to Touma.
>implying this guy doesn't have a backup plan to kill every single esper in the city
>Electric fields are able to be deflected by him, electric fields are vector quantities.
perhaps I'm misstating it. I lost the image that had all the high level physics bullshit explaining the specifics about how it would kill him and why vectors wouldn't protect against it. (Still pissed about losing it) the dumbed down for retards bit I can recall was summed up as sufficiently intense electric field.
Okay lets assume that Death Notes attack was not a vector; here are the possibilities
1) No specific death, cause of death, heart attack
>Is able to direct his blood flow subconsciously (doesnt actually need a heart)
2) Specific death, in which the writer describes how he dies. Now there are problems with this, you could say "Disappears out of existence" but im not sure if the deathnote is capable of such a thing, id be better off assuming it only takes on physical capabilities
3) Accelerator doesnt even know his own name, so yeah you're right you need shinigami eyes.
Plot convenience as I said.... its not actually possible for touma to beat accelerator, again what if he just stomped the ground and fucked everyone in a 1 km radius? Yes I know he still 'lost' though..
Dont think ive seen it, if you do happen to find it post it here, im interested
>Most of you dumbasses don't even know how they work and start spreading bullshit about he can be defeated by x character from y series.
What a shit post. There's shit tons of characters that can beat this guy. Try thinking before claiming 'he literally cannot be beaten'
Taking LO hostage actually fucks you over because then you have Accel after you and since LO is Fremea's friend you'll also have Mugino and End of the Century Emperor Hamazura after you.
What about sarin gas? Odorless, colourless, quickly lethal.
Even if after a breath he realised he was dying and started rejecting the poison, surely the calculations would be just as complex as LO's brain damage, so you could use that chance to shoot him.
That doesn't actually always let him win. Touma points out that if he can't win win, his power only rescues him and puts him in a position to one day.
It's more like the power to not lose.
I wasn't saying anything against the unconscious control. It's just that that one guy thinks that it is limited to things that humans can physically detect, like something being thrown at your face. Which isn't true, or else he wouldn't be albino or as androgynous as he is.
In other words he is a shitty written characters done by a 14 year old faggot that you retards treat like a god or some shit.
This series and its characters are awfully shitty, get over it already.
Hey /a/ I've got a question for you
If Touma was revealed to be Jesus at the end what would you do?
And i don't mean like a human who's blessed but an actual child of God that was sent to balance the world
>In other words he is a shitty written characters done by a 14 year old faggot that you retards treat like a god or some shit.
Doesn't really apply since he gets beat the fuck up all the time.
>its not actually possible for touma to beat accelerator
If Accel and Touma were to ever fight again seriously, which will never ever happen because Accel idolizes Touma, then Accel would still get fucked by the 8 fucking dragons that are in Touma's arm being sealed by IB.
Not so sure when it comes to the LN, but these dragons are physical right? They would be useless then.
Right know our closest theory is the graviton (particle) easily manipulated by accelerator.
>Not so sure when it comes to the LN, but these dragons are physical right? They would be useless then.
It's from the Railgun manga and no, they're not physical and they'd eat away his powers like they did with EXTERIOR Misaka's.
Disregarding what authors intended.
I know youre just describing by using the word 'eat' but it sound like its making some sort of contact with accelerator in a tangible way.
That or either bullshit plot inconsistencies again for the sake of the story
Still the same guy replying.
After a bit of research, I guess the Mystic Eyes would let the user kill his forcefield (which is supported by what >>111178098
said), but anyway, Angel form Accel can attack at Mach 20, which is way too fast for any Shiki not named " ". Blitzed to death.
I don't think it completely applies to this situation because I don't know all the details behind it. But in the last KnK movie, she killed a future that was going to happen the moment she walked one step further. I'm not sure if that's because her powers grew and she's able to see such conceptual things or if that guy's power somehow made the future "tangible" in the loosest sense of the word and thus she was able to cut it down.
what about characters from bleach? i mean those non human ones. Technically they are spirits, they have no comprehensible vectors?
Like those hollows? or orihime? her reject powers seem to be able to dwarf IB. Since the law of universe needs IB to exist, and fucking orihime has the power to deny its existence.
Also, can pokemons like Hunter kill this guy? like dream eater or some shit which has no contact or vector.
My guess would be that
>that guy's power somehow made the future "tangible" in the loosest sense of the word and thus she was able to cut it down
is the correct explanation.
Bear with me here, but that would mean, my arrow example doesn't work, but what I said here >>111179531 would be possible, since Accel-manipulated vectors become more than just normal vectors. They were tempered with via his Esper ability. Which would allow Shiki to see THOSE vectors.
So MEoDP users win against Base form Accel for sure, but lose against Angel form Accel because of the sheer speed discrepancy.
Let's get real for a second.
>implying Flash doesn't just phase through whatever Accel has and crush his heart inside his own body
Pic related. He decided to take it a step further and do it to an entire plane and everything inside.
basic physics states that vectors have a time component. In this case, time has stopped, so that equation is thrown out the window; it doesn't exist. Thus, he can't 'reflect' what doesn't exist.
Beyond that, accelerator literally cannot react.
Wonder why time-stop was almost never mentioned in the many "What can kill Accel" threads I've read.
Replace Mahouka with the last few chapters of Naruto and it's a half-decent idea.
Sausage onii-sama has nothing on edgemaster Slippy the Cloud of the Leaf village and his merry friend Coldsteel Uchiha, the upcoming Hokage.
it's usually one of the first things mentioned, so I guess people simply didn't bothered anymore.
I'd imagine people from future doraemon universe would be able to subdue accelerator. Those fucking things they can make are just fucking imbalanced.
You do realize that Accelerator has been killed once? When Othinus rewrites the world everything and everyone except her and Touma was basically deleted from existence. So it can be assumed that a big and powerful enough magic is sufficient in order to affect Accelerator in any way
And as I mentioned people said he didn't have it on because too many calculations, stop being an idiot and realize your shitty mary sue was beaten a bunch of times and can be easily beaten by a bunch of characters
Speaking of 'basilisk' type attacks (Ones where merely seeing/knowing something can hurt or kill you),
you can beat Accelerator by explaining the game to him.
In all seriousness, would Kira's another one bites the dust work on him? He explodes and then Kira goes back in time until he confirms accelerator's death.
It was too many calculations because he was busy rewriting LO's brain so he didn't have processing power to spare on auto-reflect. All of it was being used up. And now he has Angel Mode anyways.
>accelerator gets shot in the head while busy doing calculations for something else
>almost dies if not for magical doctor
>accelerator gets the shit beaten out of him by a normal human, could've easily died
>he doesn't die only because he turns into a pseudo-angel for misaka-loli
I don't know the details of Accel's powers but genjutsu is basically sending chakra from the caster to the enemy and it affects their mind.
I'm not sure how Accel's powers react to something intangible like chakra. But if it can get through, he's done. Basic genjutsu can get him to turn off his powers completely and at worst, Tsukuyomi mind breaks him.
Or even better, if someone like Shisui used Kotoamatsukami on him and it got through, he can "order" him to never use his powers ever again.
Another one bites the dust is a bomb that gets you as soon as you make eye contact with it.
Most humanoid stands are completely intangible who can still rekt anything they want though.
Even normal killer queen would be able to blow him up.
You people are approaching this all wrong
Sure, his passive field can reflect simple vectors like relative constants (light, objects being slowed by air friction, etc.)
But beyond those simple calculations, he has to be aware of the things that he is manipulating so that he's able to consciously calculate what he is doing to it's vectors
With this knowledge, defeating him is simple. All you need is a fluctuating field of any sort that is harmful (strong yet fluctuating electric/gravitational fields for instance), and for it to get close enough to do damage before he has the time to actually observe it.
With this in mind, anything that is faster than his power of cognition is deadly as long it's application is constant, but not it's vector.
Another way would be to somehow get him to unknowingly ingest something like DMT. If he doesn't know what's happening, he can't change the vector. Before you know it he's on the ground exploring the dark corners of his own mind while you manage to slip deadly things past his rudimentary sub-conscious barrier. Hell, if the DMT trip is impressive enough, his AIM field would likely change as well, as it's based on delusions.
>implying he can change complicated vectors without knowing which objects have the vectors that need to be manipulated
poison works moron
if it doesn't that's the writers fault, because it's bullshit if he can manipulate things he hasn't observed
How exactly? Getting poison out of someone's system (or a diluted mixture out of a solvent) is not nearly as simple as just moving it. You can't just pick the sugar out of a glass of water after you mix it. Accelerator has to be able to sense what he's redirecting. It'd be like performing nano machine surgery on yourself with no tools.
You can detect waves though, that's what your eyes do all day. You cannot magically gain sentience of individual atoms in a closed chemical system without pulling blood and going "oh fuck I'm poisoned"
>no energy source
but this is wrong
don't espers use "delusion" and AIM fields?
just because those aren't in our universe doesn't mean they don't have their own rules
if you want to get weird, think of IB as our universe, and "delusion" as the Esper's universe.
>implying he did it atom by atom and didn't generalize over a wider area to make calculations significantly faster
why the hell would you go atom by atom when it's faster and easier to get the same result with generalization
all he has to do is take a cubic chuck of air, assess maybe 3 variables, and then change those for that "chunk"
implying that he changed every fucking atom in an area to do something so easy as manipulating wind is a bit ridiculous