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Does anyone have a webm of the final fight between Simon and Anti-Spiral from the movie?
Why are people so obsessed with 60fps these days? It's like a few video games companies drilled it as if it was some kind of achievement that had never been done prior to 2011 or whatever and now everyone seems to make it out as if 60 is the ultimate benchmark.
It's stupid as fuck.
Something something advancing technology and trying out new things
And if you ask ''why 60?''
It's because it looks smooth, doesn't require too much processing power and most monitors/TVs refresh at 60 Hz
Makes sense for games, not really for movies, anime, and tv shows though. Artificially making video that was made at a lower framerate 60fps is fucking stupid and people need to stop that.
Artificially forcing 60FPS is bad, sure. But you can always animate at 60FPS and shoot movies at 60FPS. Animating at 60FPS is going to be a really big deal, but I don't see much problems with shooting movies at 60FPS
You guys do realize it just looks off because you're used to watch Chinese cartoons (and almost all other media except reality tv) at 24fps?
60fps makes shit look more "real", like you are watching something that has actually happened.
The effect is confusing, as you usually only see it when watching something "real", and you know that this isn't real.
But it's just an effect that happens because we're used to watching fiction at 24fps.
No, it looks off because you're forcing something that wasn't 60fps to be 60fps. That scene wasn't animated in that framerate and it looks terrible when you force it into that framerate, just like when HDTVs have the feature that makes everything 60fps whether it was made that way or not.
>That's SVP dumb ass.
No shit, its only been stated a dozen times in here that anime isn't, and probably never will be, made at 60 fps. Yet there are still people who think that forcing it like that is a good idea.
>Animation doesn't gain anything from "High Motion" because it isn't capturing images to begin with. The movement is being created by the animator. So when you look at a sakuga action sequence, the animator will often deform a character's body or things in motion, or animate in the "blurring" that would be observed with iconic memory. Seen here in Hime's spear.
>If Hime were an actual 3DPD in 3DPD motion, the spear's distortion would not be occurring. You might see it due to a camera's inability to capture the image fast enough. So if your camera increases the frame rate and you're able to see the spear move without distorting, that must look better, right? No, it starts to look surreal.
>We don't process visual images with just our eyes. The brain has to make sense of it. If you light a sparkler at night and move it quickly, you start to see a line trailing behind the lit end. Is the frame rate of your brain just set too low? That distortion of forms that the animator uses is modeled after the way we process visual information.
60FPS anime is maybe the dumbest fucking thing anyone has ever suggested on this board. It displays a complete lack of understanding of how animation works at a fundamental level. Video card benchmark wars have no relevance to animation, you walking marketing department wet dream. Nobody is going to animate at 60FPS - it'd bankrupt even a multimillion dollar American sitcom cartoon production. In return, you get "it's fucking nothing".
Is retarded to force something into 60fps, but you said
while posting an screencap of shitty SVP artifacts, your statement would only be valid is what you posted were on 60fps.
>more is better, always
It's not going to be broadcast in 60fps either. There's no point. That's not even counting the fact that combining 60fps CG with 24fps animation would look like shit. Animation does not need 60fps. Period. Full stop.
>if you see it the way you see it with your eyes it would look bad, the proxy adds "quality" that your brain would do anyway except when it doesn't which is most of the time
I like how your subsequent points discredit earlier points
The irony here is that gif would look a lot better at a higher fps. It doesn't have to be 60, just something that isn't a choppy mess as seen there, Don't kid yourself into thinking low fps is done for artistic reasons, it is mainly done for monetary reasons. More frames to draw=more time and money spent on animation
Why does it look so natural and fluid and graceful when miku does it and why does it look so stiff and forced and cringeworthy when real girls do it?
How did copy surpass the original?
The points are consistent. Seeing an object in motion and watching film of that object in motion are not processed the same way by your brain. Which is why motion blur is animated into fast motion cuts. It's to simulate the iconic memory of the motion of a real-life object. You don't get the same kind of visual information from watching animation. If you animated it at a high frame rate as a substitution for that manual motion blur, you end up with "soap opera effect" surreal motion. Your brain
It's shouldn't be. The original source isn't. Not only that, but Thief & Cobbler is a prime example of animation at its highest levels. It's a clear example of why going above 24FPS is pointless. 60FPS would do nothing to improve its quality.
I'm just staying relevant to /a/. Hopefully in a few months this shit dies off and we can go back to all the other things we fight about. At least those are slightly less dumb.
I would hope that people would appreciate more of the small details that are put in to animation instead of the frame count of it, like >>111087576
I've always wondered, did they use rotoscoping or some other technique when they made the character movement in Jin-Roh, since the characters look very lifelike to me.
You can and it works for that one, its Valvrave.
Use the 4chan extension (the arrow next to the post number) rather than doing it manually if it does not work, it will use the first frame for the search which is sometimes enough.
There's two OVAs and a TV series of Giant Robo. Which ones should one watch?
And is it even good? The music got me intrigued, but it might be all.
Also, are there 60 FPS
Any parent who doesn't buy their little girl a miracle light is fucking scum and they know it. Just don't even take your kid to see the movie if you're going to be that big of a Jew. They can't cost THAT much.
Because the number of frames in anime is unpleasantly low. Usually below the 24fps expected, with the same draw being used for several sequential frames. The result of this? Most anime is visibly choppy - which I certainly find visually unpleasant.
Yeah, but the fluidity is nice. I really want 60 fps, but you can't interpolate your way there from 24fps (nominally) and something like 14-20fps when you consider unique drawn frames.
I'm not saying I like that specific webm, but 24fps, especially in anime but generally extending to TV and film, looks awful. There are animation techniques that mask it (blur effects, motion lines and so on) but it's still glaringly visible when an object moves a significant distance between each frame. Panning and pivoting of camera angles makes it very apparent.
Overly high frame rates trip the uncanny valley.
Shooting at 60FPS doesn't magically make new frames get drawn by animators. Also, don't confuse 3:2 pulldown issues with framerate issues.
Look at the Thief and Cobbler animation and then try to say with a straight face that it looks bad because it's only 24fps.
I tried using SVP, and it looks good for some scenes, but others have this shitty wave effect that I can't get rid of.
The guide in the wiki doesn't work either.
>new frame, only 24fps
I think we're misunderstanding one another a bit. My main point was, specifically, there are too few drawn frames. When handled well I don't mind it, but most of the time I find it mildly distracting, and in the more extreme cases it actually gives me a headache. That is the >only< point I'm making. Interpolation doesn't solve anything, and 3:2 pulldown is awful, although I'm in a PAL region so I only see 2:2.
Yeah, perhaps, you get that in CGI quite a bit. I think it comes from over-animating rapid movement. Fewer animated frames, more the brain compensates, which gives less uncanny valley. But yeah, valid point.
>It's like a few video games companies drilled it as if it was some kind of achievement that had never been done prior to 2011
That's the issue, prior to 2007 or so 60fps was the standard in video games. Pretty much any game released on PC had 60 or unlocked fps. Then the trend of releasing multi plats came and the standard became poorly optimized console ports locked at 30fps, and that's still happening even today. It's understandable why people want that shit to stop.
I'm really hoping idtech6 actually does its job of running well and holding 60fps - idtech5 was an absolutely disaster, but the principle was good, hell it almost worked for Wolfenstein.
If everything was completely animated on ones, there would be zero anime every season because everybody would be out of business. Cuts don't always need to be animated on ones, either. And even if none of that were true, it still doesn't change the fact that 60FPS animation is fucking nothing. There's nothing in >>111086904 that would be better done in 60FPS. The only difference is that Richard Williams would have only finished a fraction of it before getting shit on by Fred Calvert.
Largely, a few of the initial facial expressions would be better, and some of the hand gestures, but it's very well animated.
On the other hand a few extra frames could make:
a lot better. In fact that's true for most of the webms in this thread. Perhaps 24fps would be sufficient if 24 frames were actually animated, but the number of animated frames is the vast majority of anime is far below the minimum needed for the video to be smooth. It's visibly choppy, and that's unpleasant.
> did they use rotoscoping or some other technique when they made the character movement in Jin-Roh, since the characters look very lifelike to me.
Nope. Hiroyuki Okiura is just a godly animator. Look up the opening scene in the Cowboy Bebop movie. He did that as well and it wasn't rotoscoped either.
Late, but both have the same base story, only executed WILDLY differently. And both are worth a watch.
Not season 3 though
>Screw up magic to the point where everything explodes hyperbolically instead of having the intended effect
>By the end of the series it's a formalized spell used to kill the big bad
People do realize that most forms of animation meant for theaters and TV that adhere for the 24/25 fps standard for television are created with that framerate in mind, and that the techniques used to maintain fluidity despite that limitation makes it look positively jarring and ugly when the video is forced to 60 FPS? Look at all of that interpolation and lost detail, this isn't a video game where frame perfect input is necessary, what are you gaining by blending together ugly fake frames?
It looks choppy. Sure if the animation got above 10fps (you know there's heaps of repeated frames in anime right?) forcing 60fps would look better, but you're still dealing with really low frame rates and forcing it higher don't make it better.
The first change needs to be with the animation itself, also, that's a fucking movie, whole other ball park.
That looks fucking great, but it's probably an old disney movie. Which has more time and money per frame. I'd love all anime, even TV to reach that level of fluidity. But that's not going to happen any time soon.
Some scene will not handle being forced to 60fps well, making the whole thing pointless, some parts will look better, others worse.
Don't waste your money. Oculus + whatever you do to get off. That's all you need. Personally, I'd just wear it and fuck a pillow. Get that full body sensation with your fantasy.
>>If Hime were an actual 3DPD in 3DPD motion, the spear's distortion would not be occurring. You might see it due to a camera's inability to capture the image fast enough. So if your camera increases the frame rate and you're able to see the spear move without distorting, that must look better, right? No, it starts to look surreal.
No it doesn't, because motion blur happens naturally to the eye and brain. It's not like watching a 60fps video on your computer or on TV magically gets rid of all the motion blur you'll experience.
How about the times where he's too much of a pansy bitch to confess his own feelings so he hides behind his self-proclaimed hellish curse in order to cozy up to Akane.
I'll list all of the times he does this:
Every episode/chapter he's in
Happosai was evil and shit but at least he was honest about it. Ryouga was a cunt and a dick but still believed himself to be noble. But to be honest everyone in that show is a scumbag in their own righ.
The original. Remake is only worthwhile for the girls, it tries to take too many plots and compresses it badly while screwing up key moments/characters that occurred in the original.
Just a friendly reminder that the people forcing the 60fps shit down our throats, every single webm thread, are from /v/.
Brainwashed video game consumers are like a fucking cult.
They keep knocking at your door but you just need to ignore.
>but it's probably an old disney movie. Which has more time and money per frame.
Just take a gander at this faggot.
>being pro 60fps
Obviously people don't like it. Why do you need to be pro or anti, as if this is some political movement?
People don't like it so stop posting this shit in every thread.
If you wan't to experiment with your video editing then fine. Have fun. But keep it to yourself and stop reposting it. Even if this is your not the one spamming it, take a hint from others failed attempts.
That cut was done by Masahiro Ando, director of Sword of the Stranger. Hiroyuki Okiura and Tetsuya Nishio served as Animation Directors, both are pretty godly.
You can't appreciate details when they show up for one frame. You can care about more than one thing, there is nothing stopping you from caring about both animation quality and framerate. Thief & Cobbler would have definitely benefited from being 60fps, the only valid reason for it not to be is that it would cost too much money to make.
>starts to look like dudexdude
>"It's a girl, I'm sure its just QUALITY or the angle"
My thoughts exactly.
No, your standards are fucked up from watching 8fps anime for years. There is no such thing as "too smooth" when your eyes see everything smoother than any movie or game. Not wanting choppy slideshows is not autism.
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you can still animate it in 60 fps and add object motion blur, y'know? Effect will be the same, except it won't look like a slide-show.
Works well in 3D animation(video games), should also work here. But it's a pain to draw all the extra frames, that's why they keep the frames to a minimum.
Interpolated 60fps != natural 60fps
That looks like shit. Yes it's fluid as fuck, but watch something filmed or animated in natural 60fps and you will notice there is a huge difference.
>works well in video games