Do you think animators hate working on moeshit, fujoshit and haremshit?
Is this why talented artists are leaving studios like SHAFT and KyoAni?
>A bad director would impose limits on us and make us into animation robots in order to preserve the show's consistency
You can hate Bahi all you want but he is right.
Consistency and inconsistency has their proper places. Maybe Bahi should spend more time sending his work before their deadlines instead of twittering all day about work conditions he doesn't even live in.
isn't it funny that Bahi's unfinished animation looks better than anything in Ping Pong?
Yuasa is just trash and can't manage schedule for shit.
Animating 20 cuts in one week?
No one can do that.
It's not Bahi's fault.
>Is this why talented artists are leaving studios like SHAFT and KyoAni?
I'll be interested in Shaft again once they do another original production, do something with madoka that isn't stupid, air kizu, give denpa another season, release PPD on BD, or make another SZS OVA or season to finish up the story.
I've be interested in KyonAni again once they fix it so Free! isn't their most refreshing and interesting show to air in the past 2 years, give another season for any of their earlier shows that desperately deserve it, or try making something interesting that isn't a SoL.
>so Free! isn't their most refreshing and interesting show to air in the past 2 years
What the fuck? Free is the same shit they've always done but with shallow male characters swapped for the girls and with more female gaze fanservice. It's not ambitious, interesting or refreshing. It's just pandering.
>looks better than anything in Ping Pong?
The fuck you on about
Ping Pong looked glorious.
The characters have substance, theres a plot, relationships between characters progress, and the swimming aspect actually holds relevance. All and all its about a 7/10 show, regardless of the boarderline homo swimmers theme.
Sorry bro but Tamako Market was poorly done in all regards, Chunibyo had terrible writing and didn't deserve a second season, KnK didn't suceed what it wanted to be, and Hyouka was just okay.
It sure is fun to be have artistic freedom, but considering that today's anime either has realistic-ish stories that demands consistency than freedom or fantasy LN adaptation with low budget, it's hard to get it.
>Hyouka was just okay
And that's what's killing anime.
The industry is now flooded with mediocre animators.
Talented people left the industry to work elsewhere.
>do something with madoka that isn't stupid
Then why is animation and production quality getting higher and higher? Animators don't write things, anyways. And when they did and do, they made plenty of cute things all on their own.
It's not about realism, it's about consistency. Animation work is a team effort and if you agree to work on a project with a specific character design and specific animation direction, you should respect that.
I never said only late night TV counted.
But OK, how about just in the past two decades or so since Evangelion was released.
Look at the buttons on their shirts. It's also not culturally accurate. It's an early cut by him, but it's really not very good.
Fans in Japan and in the west don't reward them for technique or creativity,so what can you expect
>7 hand drawn years,incredibly expensive
>Fresh and exciting story that ultilizes the medium to the fullest extent
>Should have been a golden egg that printed money
>Caused madhouse to go bankrupt
Why didn't you buy Redline /a/?
You could've stopped it.
But all REAL animators only make mature sci-fi and realistic drama and cartoonish fantasy! No cute things ever (cute things are evil), and definitely never any fanservice (artists hate sexual things).
>Fresh and exciting story
No it wasn't. And some well animated productions do sell, and some others don't.
It doesn't make any sense given the context. And I mean really, look at the fucking buttons.
The article is written by someone in the industry who has done animation directing and key animation, and isn't just some random blogger.
It clearly is not exaggeration in the sense you think it is. Overacting is not exaggerating, it's plain bad acting. You can emphasize certain things and not have it looked god-awful and awkward. Classic Disney films have exaggerated movements and it doesn't look nearly as corny as that clip. Even the worst of the Disney 2D library has better animation than that.
>didn't have any hype or big names attached
>Ryo-timo, Shingo Yamashita plus a dozen other web gen animators, and Norio Matsumoto solo animating half an episode
No big names alright.
Except Captain Earth their shows are decent now. The animators are top-notch overall, though. Dat Chaika fights.
I-is this the era of Bones again? Can we now have a sequel to Eureka Seven?
I'm friends with the guy who does a lot of the animation for Superjail and he said it's actually pretty easy and quick, even if you hate it or like it.
Even god-tier animation apparently is done fairly quickly due to modern techniques and equipment making it easy enough to finish the entire animation for an episode within a day or two. I can't imagine animators would hate their work if it goes by so fast.
Then they were being incompetent and judging from a lot of the mess ups they did along the way I'm not surprised. Most of that time was probably used experimenting with something or fixing a fuck-up.
Even if it's true, if it's repetitive then it's not much better than your average factory workers' jobs. Mediocrity is the norm there. People can't help desiring more than that. A good director and his studio team would anticipate that, and act.
Welcome to Wrongville. Population, you.
I'm sure he misheard the information though. There are many part of the animation process that you can accomplish quite easily, but finished animation is not one of them.
10 weeks is crazy for anime but it's quite common for Disney film, apparently.
Sometimes the animator can spend a month to just plan out a scene, doing study, thumbnailing and shit.
Or maybe they're just being lazy. I don't know.
They don't leave anyone or anything, animators are freelancers and work for different studios all the time.
It's sad that there's ignorant people like you.
Bahi is just proving more that he is a retard who don't understand nothing about animation production.
Each animator have their own place for work, they are not robots since directors leave work for them, but you can't just disregard the whole thing simply because muh style.
Bahi is a pretentious sandnigger, the worst possible mis ever existed.
Flash animation is slang for flash tweening, because the tweening does the animation for you. If they're using flash to draw frame by frame then nobody says "animated with flash".
>Flash animation is slang for flash tweening
Maybe for retards on /a/ it is.
>If they're using flash to draw frame by frame then nobody says "animated with flash".
Then what the fuck do you call it. "Animated with Flash but not really"?
I'm so fucking tired of this shit and you pretentious faggots.
If you think things are bad why don't you fucking leave? why the fuck do you need to make all this waste of time threads and shitposting on /a/ when you are not going to watch half of the shows because "muh muh industry".
I'm really sick of you.
>/v/ using animation as an excuse to hate on moe
As little as /a/ knows about animation, /v/ knows even less.
Talented animators work on whatever arouses their passions. And whatever pays well. Sometimes they overlap, sometimes they don't. Not all animators are some sort of auteur looking to create true art, most are just otaku with a vested interest in anime of all sorts. Remember pic related?
I mean, come on, you'd have to be stupid to think that somehow moe and fanservice is inversely correlated with production quality. Look at War on Geminar. Look at YZQ. Look at K-On. Look at fucking Milky Holmes. Hell, let us not forget one of the greatest animators of all time, who did the iconic god-warrior scene in Nausicaa pretty much solo, and went on to invent a revolutionary breast jiggle. Oh, and Eva.
To be fair, though, a lot of directors in anime are just failed film directors, so they have film-based outlooks. Thankfully, that's becoming less and less the case.
I used to think that he was a hack, too, but his collabs with Yutapon on SD were seriously good. Like, top tier almost.
No bully Bahi. He made a deal with the devil and it shows in his face. Bully arasan instead.
Remember that Disney has ridiculous manpower, though
Fuck off, /co/.
And I know a guy from Archer who says the animation is pretty simple.
That doesn't say shit about anime, though. You have to understand that the practices are completely different. Hell, in the west, 2D animation is more akin to puppetry nowadays.
This is true. But again, It's not good to be RELIANT on anything but your hands.
Not really. A lot of animators love working on moeshit. They're willing to do it even if they're paid peanuts. A lot of their personal drawings are moeshit and a lot of them love idolshit, too. Why the fuck else would they continue to do it if the pay is so horrible and the competition is cutthroat?
Bahi is a cancer in the anime industry. His stuff is so visually jarring that Jun Arai cuts might be better if that's even possible. At least they're hilariously bad. Either way, they both have a similar effect.
>Bully arasan instead.
Arasan is GOAT
"Imposing limits in order to preserve the show's consistency" doesn't necessarily make the staffs into robots. It's just a case of wholly bad directing. It is not the case that the show needs animation consistency or not, but it is the case that whether the animation fits into his vision or not. The ability to realize his vision is a sign of good directing, but this is too much to ask nowadays. "Directors" now have barely any visions at all. Quite the contrary, directors necessarily have to be authoritarian and impose limits, in order to capture the vision he wants to the visual art. This is why it's often that, back then, directors such as Ingmar Bergman only hired the same casts over and over again, since it's his "circlejerking team", who could stand his detailed and demanding vision.
>Maybe for retards on /a/ it is.
People use "flash" in place of "software tweening" all the time, even on /co/.
>Then what the fuck do you call it. "Animated with Flash but not really"?
It's just using a software program to compile the drawn frames, whether they're scanned in or using a tablet. It doesn't really matter what program it is, people will say it's handdrawn animation if it's done without tweens, even if the program they used was flash/toonboom/whatever.
I remember some fag tried to pass off Ghibli movies (who use a software program Toonz) as proof of "the wonders of what flash like programs can do" and putting it beside tweened shows like Wakfu, Wonder over Yonder, etc, while completely misunderstanding how they actually use their given programs.
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Reading the interview, it's obvious that he intended to praise Watanabe as an example of good director. However, judging from his statements, obviously he didn't know even the basics of visual art directing, like I mentioned above. Take a look at his words on "go wild and free", while remaining "in balance" (in moderation). It means nothing other than "he's happy under Watanabe('s limits)". Nothing other than that.
I'm disappointed with him. For someone to be given a chance to argue at all would mean that he has enough credibility to speak on the subject. I suspect that he only got the chance on ANN because he's a "successful gaijin", to promote bigger overseas marketing. Literally worse than identity politics.
And it looked damn nice for a TV anime.
I wish more studios would understand that consistency matters.
So many shows where they dump half the budget into the first episode, and then have to stretch their budget for the rest of the season.
A lot of YZQ was still animated on pencil and paper, the episodes with the "digital animation" credits were the ones that had extensive usage of software such as Flash or something similar for drawing.
>I used to think that he was a hack, too, but his collabs with Yutapon on SD were seriously good. Like, top tier almost.
I don't think anyone really denies that the guy has animation talent.
He's just a huge prick that tries to act older than he is by parroting Watanabe's opinions and who believes in the mythical "golden age of anime" that people from /co/ and /v/ like to go on about.
First, I'd like to know why there are people who not only tolerate, but unironically like and defend Shinbo's bullshit in SHAFT. There's individual style, and then there's Shinboism. Fuck him.
>I used to think that he was a hack, too, but his collabs with Yutapon on SD were seriously good. Like, top tier almost.
Ever consider the fact that you might have shit taste? It could be your limitation as a gaijin.
>Not one of the few studios with control of their assets.
>Not one of the few studios that pays its animators a living wage
>Not one of the few studios that don't have to suck a publisher/producer's cock
Say what you will about their shows, KyoAni is by far the most
FREEof the studios. Hell, gay swimming is entirely a labor of love.
The irony is that despite their invention of the principles, one of Disney cartoons' biggest weaknesses today is their reluctance to go off-model or use exaggerations.
CG references have been used in anime since the late 80s. Come the fuck on.
No shit OP is /v/ermin.
This is very much true. Animation has a ridiculously high turnover rate, over 50% if I remember correctly. That's why they're treated so badly. There's such a big supply of wannabe animators that they drive their own wages down.
Need a union or anything.
>Bahi is a cancer in the anime industry. His stuff is so visually jarring that Jun Arai cuts might be better if that's even possible. At least they're hilariously bad. Either way, they both have a similar effect.
>Using a in-between frame
You could say the same about Ohira, Yamashita, Ryosuke Sawa, Niho, and a bazillion net animators. It's not unique to him. Don't just hate on Bahi because he's famous, find actual reasons. I mean, sure, he's overrated, but by no means is he shit. Anymore. He used to be just terrible, but improved a ton.
Digital assistance =! digital animation.
It's drawn by hand, edited together with a computer and colored and processed as such. It isn't interpolated or anything with CG, like you see in many flash cartoons.
Unless you mean literally it's frames set in motion by a computer. Then, yes.
Pretty much. I don't know why "outsiders" seem to think industry people and animators are casuals like them. They're nerds and otakus and animefags (or like Anno said, "basically autistic"). Really, why wouldn't they be?
I've heard this before. How did they use that program?
>Do you think animators hate working on moeshit, fujoshit and haremshit?
>Is this why talented artists are leaving studios like SHAFT and KyoAni?
Very few talented artists work on anime.
Ping Pong is much better. Bahi'd animation is pretty fucking good but it doesn't have any artistic merit and isn't as interesting as the animation is Ping Pong. Ping Pong is much more visually appealing to me as well.
Word of advice, S2 so far is amazing, and probably 10 times better than S1.
I personally liked moments of S1, but I never actually laughed at a lot of the stuff, I was just amused. I kept watching because I enjoyed the premise and it was a fun ride because of Dandys English voice actor, which is why it gets in my top 10.
However, S2 I've actually, legitimately laughed, and kept laughing multiple times. And we're only 2 episodes in.
So if you find season 1 a struggle, push on my friend, you'll probably find the second season a lot more enjoyable. If you find season 1 enjoyable like I did, you'll love season 2. Just as others have said, make sure to watch it dubbed.
Because they have to make an impact to impress people. Lots of shows don't have any budget at all to use in the first place, and stretching out the first episode won't make much of a difference spread out to 12 episodes.
That said, I think this issue is getting better and better, actually. Some shows have had pretty good consistency lately.
What do you mean "animated digitally"? Something can be coloured digitally, and compiled digitally, but if each frame is hand drawn then the animation itself isn't digital.
>You could say the same about Ohira, Yamashita, Ryosuke Sawa, Niho, and a bazillion net animators.
I would say the same about a lot of net animators. They're kinda shit compared to the people who studied traditionally. That's what happens when you spend all your time trying to animate nakamura swordfights and fx and shit that isn't really practical all day. painvsnaruto.wmv
You mean SHAFT porn, or ACTUAL Shinbou porn?
Again, nothing wrong with flash. Computer tweening is a big issue, but no shit people have been using computer assistance to animate for a decade now. You know how tough it is to edit on film? You know the difficulties of coloring in cels? Yeah, think about that for a moment. Meticulously coloring EVERY FUCKING DETAIL with a camel hair brush on translucent sheets. Especially with shading, oh the fucking shading.
It's very challenging, to say the least.
Again, distinction between digital assistance, and all-digital animation.
>Shinbo are barely involved with SHAFT's shows nowadays. If you want to watch Shinbo being Shinbo, watch Cossette.
Or Soultaker. Or
It's a shame Oishi left Shaft, I loved his direction in Bake.
Because he makes the most of what he has, which is usually jack squat. It's in the same vein as Dezaki.
No, I was genuinely surprised too. He's really not a bad animator (anymore).
Disney still gets talent. It just squanders it.
>No artistic merit
Oh anon sing me thine tale from thine arse.
I watched the first ten minutes of Frozen. The textures were worse than toy story. Bleh.
They could probably be Disney or higher if they had money. Western animation and studios are usually very well funded. Poor animators in Nippon have to make do with a pittance after their distributors take the bulk of the earnings.
nah man, I've seen the cuts Bahi did and it's not rotoscoped.
Disney peaked with Sleeping Beauty.
Meanwhile Japan has guys like Imaishi and Yuasa who are on a level beyond any Western animator/director.
I won't deny it. Frozen and Tangled are incredible. But I was referring to 2D animation. I think when Japan invests completely in 3D, they'll be even better.
>That's what happens when you spend all your time trying to animate nakamura swordfights and fx and shit that isn't really practical all day. painvsnaruto.wmv
Have you even considered that they weren't given any chances at all to study traditionally, i.e., as a protege? IIRC only Sunrise consistently do that, even when Tomino often being a dick master figure.
>Disney peaked with Sleeping Beauty.
>Meanwhile Japan has guys like Imaishi and Yuasa who are on a level beyond any Western animator/director.
Jesus Christ, go back to fucking Gaia or something. You are starting to sound like a legitimate weaboo.
Holy shit he's asking that under what criteria you are judging artistic merits and animations from. Without doing that you're basically pulling shit out of your ass you dumb pretentious fuck.
>Disney peaked with Sleeping Beauty.
This is some great trolling. Sleeping Beauty was great but Disney had a ton of well animated films that came after. Mother fucking Sleeping Beauty came out in 1959 for fucks sake.
You need to tone the weeaboo down.
That'd be pretty cool.
I always wanted to try drawing a flipbook, but along with the amount of time and patience, and having no artistic skill whatsoever, I never got around to it.
The americans never mastered 2D animation, Milt Kahl was the only guy at disney who was on the same level as Inoue but now, Inoue already broke Milt's limit.
The japanese mastered 2D animation with Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Iso, Ohira, Okiura.
What a fantastic thread this is. We have /co/cks, weebs, anti-weebs, and retards who have no fucking clue what they're talking about. You faggots should all go kill yourselves.
See, I don't get that. They aren't conventional certainly and don't have the same amount of detail but that minimalism also gives them a ton of room to explore other things in almost an expressionist sense. You get a lot more freedom of movement with the simplified character designs, and the choreography is usually top-notch. Honestly, it isn't too much different from what Iso or Nakamura or Tanaka have been doing for years - cutting down on shades and internal linework to give the animation more dynamism.
The problem isn't with their style. It's with their youth and inexperience. They seem so eager to make a name and to be unique that sometimes they put the verisimilitude and consistency of the show as a second priority. That's the problem, NOT their artstyle. It's the fact they're pretentious. Don't worry, they'll learn in time. Yamashita certainly has toned down quite a bit.
There's no point comparing cock sizes. Both east and west have good talent, east just has more of it, or at least is utilizing more of it, with the dearth of 2D in the west.
No shit, that's why they're called "net animators". They don't come to notoriety through ordinary channels. That said, they're certainly not bad.
Famicom pls go back to /co/
>I've literally only been here since KLK aired
I hate how his name has become a buzzword now.
Seriously animation threads draw in the worst /co/ fags.
Artistic merit is completely subjective; it's very biased to say what has and doesn't have artistic merit. We live in a post-structuralist world, anon.
And yes, I'd be flattered.
Can I be a cute trap?
That said it is still nice to get a few animation threads here and there.
How many times will it take before you retards get it.
I didn't say he wasn't trained traditionally. His work in GITS for example is very good. I don't like his 2deep4u style (like in FLCL) but I can't deny some of the work he's done.
Sure, but that doesn't change anything.
Disney's golden age of innovating and experimentation happened well before their full featured film era.
They've been stagnating for literal decades. Most of their best work is in Silly Symphonies. Cartoons from the 30's. People on 4chan aren't capable of grasping this, of course, because they believe anything with a smooth framerate is the pinnacle of good animation.
Stay wrong, though. The achieved technical perfection of their ideals with Sleeping Beauty, and they've been coasting ever since.
> who are involved in television or film now.
I meant actually animating for television and film. And actually now.
I want you guys to leave
I'll rephrase- it doesn't have as much artistic merit as the animation in Ping Pong.
Bahi's animation is pretty appealing aesthetically but it doesn't have any intended (or unintended) meaning or purpose, and in Ping Pong it's much more creative and interesting, both aesthetically and not.
Bahi is a troll.
He shitposted sakuga thread.
He says controversial things on twitter.
He samefagged sakuga videos on youtube.
He's trying to stir shit up on sakugabooru.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's in this thread.
>How many times will it take before you retards get it.
I know it was. It still creates shitposts. Those week of threads in January were so, so terrible.
I also blame ANN. For everything they do. I hate them so much.
I don't dislike Disney or their work. The Emperor's New Groove is better than most of the anime on my 3x3. It's just a fact that they stagnated and the talent in Japan is greater now than it ever was in the West.
>The achieved technical perfection of their ideals with Sleeping Beauty
Who Framed Roger Rabbit is arguably more technically impressive than Sleeping Beauty. You're also talking out of your ass.
Ghibli (they're more or less Disney's counterpart) has been stagnating for about 10 years, but other than that it has been much more innovative than American mainstream animation.
>This scene already look good on 3s
>let's add more frames
>See? It looks better on 2s.
>1s is the best. Why stopped at 2s when you can animate on 1s?
Richard Williams' lecture in a nutshell.
>Even a monkey can draw.
A monkey can't draw you goddamn stupid sacks of pretentious bullshit. Cue the 'thousand monkeys type randomly in eternity and have a chance to produce Hamlet' thought-experiment.
>What is important are ideas and aesthetics.
Stop. Beating. Around. The. Bush.
Do tell then so I can ridicule your apparent waste of life.
>Anime is really uncreative and lack artistry. It's a product, commodity rather than art.
HOW the fuck then? You can of course do literary criticism using Frankfurt Schools of thought and methodology (for example Adorno's critique of mass culture), but you MUST establish a REASON as to why you relate this theory to the current social facts, and then you must explain HOW the problem is interlinked to artistic domain AND social domain. For starter, it is a MASS art for a reason. Even Adorno acknowledged that.
>He's trying to stir shit up on sakugabooru.
I love going there. What's he doing?
But yes I can find it very easy to believe he trolls forums.
They're at least keeping their industry alive .
Is there any CG movie that looks better than Captain Harlock?
>Caring about /a/
Maybe, but I wouldn't really call that artistic merit.
I fucking hate Zac.
And god bless.
Honestly, more so than the west. Necessity is the mother of invention, and Nips typically have many small studios with small budgets rather than a handful with infinite money. A lot of things in anime, photograph memories or the use of action lines or the cinematic feel shows started to take on past the late 70s - all can be attributed to that. Japanese animators have certainly been more innovative in exploring new things, which is part of why I don't fully understand the hate for net animators.
Do you know only those two names?
Again, I still think Japanese have been more innovative, but you're a retard if you think the west has no good animators.
True, but that's because they hit a plateau with quality. They no longer needed to innovate to make things look nice, they can just polish it until it does.
Again, necessity is the mother of invention.
Holy shit. Do you literally not know what rotoscoping means?
At least use Heavy metal or something you dumb shit
That's why he went broke, man.
Its very pretty, the soundtrack is nice, but I really can't remember a single thing from the story except for constant quotations and namedropping philosophers.
It has been a couple years since I watched it though.
Story was fine,it had a plot that justified itself,and did justice to every action movie ever made.The only story problem was the loose end where they never explained the giant fucking blue monster mear the end.
Since this thread seems to be about anything now
>America goes to japan to make the Tron cartoon
>Goes to korea to make Avatar and Korra
>goes to japan to make the Pacific Rim cartoon
Whether you think they're shit or not, they do/will have things like plot and action. Why doesn't someone make a western studio to do them instead?
Well excuse me but you fuckers are cancer.
It's profitable but unvaried. As much as I'm bitching against the "Nippon strong" guy It's true.
Again, true, but you can call it something better. All art, good or bad has value and merit as art. That's not a basis to judge it on. Judge it on how it positively or negatively it impacts the show, or how engaging it is.
I'm simply talking about the best of our era. Japan's best now is better than the West ever was. They're ahead. Why is this so hard to accept? Do you honestly believe Western animation is some untouchable juggernaut that no one will ever surpass because they made the first strides in the medium? No. Japan won. Deal with it.
>if you think the west has no good animators.
I don't think I ever said or implied this. I think you're just a mad little anon who desperately wants a villain to shitpost against.
>He samefagged sakuga videos on youtube.
Which one? The only youtube thing from him I recall is that Hisashi Mori one on the Clannad video.
Not him, but
>Japan's best now is better than the West ever was. They're ahead.
Can you give me an example?
Contrary to popul/a/r belief, it ain't about winning. Don't subscribe to /a/'s win-or-lose bullshit.
They don't dish out a whole lot of animated movies these days, though ;_;
I know a lot of animation work is outsourced to them, but what they do over there isn't that high-quality.
>DBZ reaction pic
>using moeshit seriously
>calls others cancer
Holy shit the irony
No, and I'll agree with you that Nipland is better off now, but to say that
>Name one visionary in the West on the level of either Hiroyuki Imaishi or Masaaki Yuasa.
Is a bit extreme.
Still, if you're talking contemporary. specify next time.
Let's save this discussion for elsewhere then.
No one said that you have to have "uncategorizable" shit to be varied.
But when shit like Adventure Time gets praised for innovation, you know you're in a shithole.
I was talking specifically about animation, regardless of context intentionally. I wasn't comparing Space Dandy to Ping Pong, I was comparing two specific animators.
In its context Yuasa's animation is much better and engaging than Bahi's, but that's an unfair comparison since Bahi is just an animator and not the person who runs the entire thing- he doesn't have as much impact.
If BONES ever remakes SOul Eater I'm sure they will keep the original artstyle, not whatever they were trying to make with NOT anime
>You do know western animations makes a shit ton more than japanese animation and is very much so still alive.
Don't they mostly just ship the storyboards off to korea now? Or maybe you mean the canadian flash tweening guys? It's hardly doing very well as far as I can see.
I guess the other pixars, dreamworks or disney (tangled was so much better than fucking frozen). Not that there's much difference between them. Maybe wait for the next Chomet movie. Other than that maybe some shorts?
Not even trying to be "nippon strong", if there's anyone that would like to see western animation really come to life it'd be me.
>Why is this so hard to accept?
You're not listening to the criticism that was made against you by EVERYONE in this thread. You refuse to acknowledge any remarkable talent in the west and disregard the shortcomings of the Japanese animation industry. The western animation industry isn't perfect, but neither are the Japs. Yet, you're plugging your ears shut and pretending that the Japs are fucking perfect and that Disney hasn't produced any meaningful material since 1930.
Go back to fucking gaia.
Hopefully getting a better salary than animators. And he's older now. 23.
>mfw I dropped Space Dandy 2 after seeing his shitstain of a cut in episode 1.
God I fucking hate his work. Fuck you guys who said "he got a lot better." He got worse. I'd rather watch his Apollon cuts over this Arasan-tier shit (sorry Arasan, but seriously stop taking a giant dump in the middle of an otherwise nicely-progressing episode...that shit in Shinsekai Yori was unacceptable).
Are you somehow implying that HTTYD 2 is bad?
>You refuse to acknowledge any remarkable talent in the west
There's been some names dropped but they're not doing much right now.
In the west a movie like 5cm/s wouldn't have gotten so mainstream-popular, and Eve no Jikan wouldn't have gotten a theatrical release. And that's before I started talking about the obvious obligatory names like Yuasa.
> it has great animation aswell.
Animation is handled overseas in Korea, courtesy of Rough Draft Korea, a sister studio of Rough Draft Studios, Inc. Actually animating an episode takes about three to five months. During this time, retakes, music scoring, and sound design are completed. Once the animation is finished, it is sent back to America where it is reviewed; during this time, the staff looks for mistakes in the animation, or "things that didn’t animate the way [the staff] intended". These issues are then fixed in Korea and the episode is finished.
It's consistent because of flash tweening but there's nothing creative in the camerawork, style, choreography, or anything else, really.
And uni kids only like it for the hip appeal. And because western animation is so starved for creativity anything with a drop of energy is praised as the second coming of Darkwing Duck.
He's alright when he animates. He doesn't really ever animate, though. Just draws clouds shaped like triangles.
The posing is awkward, the choreography is beond stiff, the effects are mediocre and the range of motion is passable at best. Not to mention it fails to do anything remotely interesting with the POV except for that one homage shot to Utena.
Fucking whatever that show is called. Looks like tumblrite crap.
So a /co/ faggot that doesn't know animation from an asshole wants someone who makes intelligent posts to leave, because their feelings are hurt and instead of make a counter they act like a woman because they've got nothing, they're wrong and they should leave.
Go back to where you came from, faggot.
Yes. Chuck Jones, too.
Thank you for a legitimate response, and not boring, high framerate, feature Disney crap. Now it's a discussion.
I still don't believe they're on Yuasa's level. The Kaneda school of animation took what Tex pioneered, and passed it down to their students. Japan has carried that torch, while the West completely dropped it and let it die out.
It's actually pretty awful. The timing is all off and has no impact whatsoever.
Of course, like most western handdrawn shows, I doubt it was done by any western animators at all. It was probably storyboarded poorly by them, and then the koreans did it to the letter.
Richard "forced animation" Williams
>there were a number of these situations...in the script, there might be two or three sentences describing the Thief going up a drain pipe. But what he animated on the screen was five minutes up and down that pipe which would ordinarily be five pages of script.
He's pretty cool
>Last I heard they like Uncle Grandpa
Complain all you want about the "moeshit" and "haremshit" shows, but at least there's enough shows being pumped out now days that you can't look far to see something interesting.
I never said it was a great show. I said it was a fun show. If you don't like it, then that's fine, but don't start pointing fingers and say that I browse /co/. I left that board years ago.
>And uni kids only like it for the hip appeal
Eh, not really. They like it because its fun.
not really, they're just fucking stupid. what are they even trying to do with these white things? what is it supposed to actually be?
I don't know why /a/ still falls for this kind of thread on one side. It's 100% guaranteed that people like OP would be told hard. Maybe someone like >>110540376 should compile and make copypasta or something.
Gee this sounds neat lemme just go check it out -
>generic character designs
>lolsorandumb humor Lepuffinofdemise *raises spork* shit
It's over. Western animation is done for. Wait a sec, what's this?
>/r/ing that one image of the great storyboards butchered by poor animation
You know the one.
>Look at the buttons on their shirts. It's also not culturally accurate. It's an early cut by him, but it's really not very good.
Look at that jelly nitpicking.
Just face it you failures, Bahi is living the life you wish you lived. Because he is actually working on improving himself.
You niggers sit your asses in an imageboard complaining about superior humans like bahi while you do shitnothing.
I doubt any of you could even draw a single button on a shirt.
>You refuse to acknowledge any remarkable talent in the west
did you even read the last part of >>110540538 or are you pretending to be retarded
There is 4 season a year worth of anime with a lot of shows, there's always enough stuff to keep you watching if you are not a picky overanalizyng faggot, so yeah we have it easy
/co/ gets like 4 things a year and that's being optimitic, I try to cut them some slack but most of the time is just "baww anime is just moeshit and I don't even know what that means"
>under 1MB gif
Please, go the way of webm
They also have a small western tag (although it's mixed in with some korean korra/avatar and some other outsourced stuff).
Good. Sleep is necessary to charge your braincells, which you'll need when having a discussion with intellectuals like me. I hope you find a reason to come to /a/ after you return to your home board, /co/.
>posting about how much anime sucks on /a/
wow that's really clever and original i bet no one did this before
what the fuck am I watching and why is it so shit
Nope, you can watch anime ironically, but it's junk.
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
How to Train Your Dragon
Edge of Tomorrow
Are all much better than anything this season. Just deal with it.
this is fucking disgusting
is this an actual show?
Boku n--I'm in a good mood today, it's Soul Eater
If you are going to tach it keep in mind that around episode 25-30 it deviates from the manga and goes full retard like the first FMA anime because Bones writers
>YFW it will take Japan 10 - 20 years to reach the level of this movie
Tiny Toons & Animaniacs were done by TMS as is also the case with Batman:TAS but Batman:TAS had 3 other Japanese studios as well but were subcontractors rather then co-producers like TMS (the other studios were Spectrum who was just Disney Japan without the Disney name, Studio Junio and Sunrise), Darkwing Duck was done by Disney's ex-Japanese unit (now know as The Answer Studio) when Freakazoid had Animal Ya (also Junio & Tama Pro, but the later had most of it's work done in Korea).
The 90s were wonderful.
>Roosterteeth hanging some bait for weabs
You know whats worse?
There's a RWBY tag on pixiv
I know its a Japanese deviantart but still.
Before Eva was ever made.
Even native kids have trouble with some kanji as they're learning them, and their handwriting is getting worse in Japan because everyone's used to typing/tapping on smartphones and computers.
I was just guessing, I have no idea how long it takes for people to really get hiragana down and memorized with all its readings.
It was perfect until the cliche misunderstandings part. Everytime you think a movie is going to be completley original and relatively cliche free, they always throw a big one in there to make it just like evety other movie.
But independent films are much better than Hollywood summer blockbusters.
Anime just suck. Otaku don't have any interesting ideas. Shit, even their independent market is full of porn, shitty comedies and parodies.
The only studios I see trying to do unique things in anime and not rehash contasnlty are Bones, MAPPA, IG and Brain Base.
Everyone else has that same familiar art style and some ole projects each season. They don't go out of their comfort zones like the studio mentioned above