>>17339482 Anyway, besides that vaginally disgruntled sperg I had to waste time telling to shut up, a great story by Joe Hill called Locke & Key is lovecraft inspired and directly referenced in some points, it's good if you like graphic novels with a Stephen King - esque storyline
>>17340155 >>17340160 Someone's gonna come eventually and say the movie Borderlands is lovecraftian and tell you to watch it, but desu it's an okay found footage flick and really not that cthuluesque, just paranormal activityesque
>>17340185 >movie There was your first problem. Seriously though, how can you know the monster and still call it Lovecraftian. The whole point of the mythos is that it's beyond comprehension. Unfortunately that's why it's also so niche, but it being niche doesn't justify changing the basis to fit a different narrative.
>>17340206 He talks about cthulu cult and cthulu itself (for example, I know cthulu is not the end all be all of lovecraft) and gives a decent outline of its disposition though in call of cthulu... no?
>>17340227 God no. He TRIES to explain how he looks but all his brain can do is stick preexisting animal parts together to make sense of it. All they say about the cult is that they had people strung up from trees for the "demons" or whatevs to feed on. There is absolutly no mention of Cthulu's disposition or even his reason for existing.
>>17340241 Well yeah it does, but does that really tell you anything about his dispostion or features or anything really? The most it can tell you is that he was likely imprisoned by someone or something, but even that isn't stated, just my inference.
>>17340238 you could be right. idk. I might pick it up when the quarter is over.
just to clarify I don't need cliff notes for short stories. Lovecraft goes to great pains to set up atmosphere and I am more (relative) facts oriented. So, for me, a flow chart of spooky shit is preferable to a poetic undertaking.
I am assuming your not that same dumbass I have been arguing with because you seem much more well spoken.
>>17340253 I saw somewhere a breakdown of the lore and it stated that cthulu is like a Lt. and there is an even bigger badder biggie that (I think it said) sent him here but it backfired. I might be able to dig up sauce on that.
I didn't find any sauce on what I said but I found this which is pretty cool
"Lovecraft claims R'lyeh is located at 47°9′S 126°43′W. [H.P Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu" (1928)] Writer August Derleth, a contemporary correspondent of Lovecraft and co-creator of the Cthulhu Mythos, placed R'lyeh at 49°51′S 128°34′W. [Derleth, A. The Black Island (1952)] The latter coordinates place the city approximately 5,100 nautical miles (9,400 km) from the actual island of Pohnpei (Ponape), the location of the fictional "Ponape Scripture". Both locations are close to the Pacific pole of inaccessibility (48°52.6′S 123°23.6′W), a point in the ocean farthest from any land mass."
>>17340258 >a flow chart of spooky shit is preferable to a poetic undertaking But that's against the grain for the entire genre. The whole idea is that we are as insignificant, possibly even more so, than ants in the eyes of these horrors. Could an ant examine a human for all we are? And nah, I'm not that autist. He was a dick, but I'm kinda with him on some points. People think all Lovecraftian shit is is Cthulu waggling his tentacles and shoggoths floating doing nothing but waiting for the hero to swoop in and save the day. There's a reason Lovecraft died without many riches, his stories were bleak and the hero never wins. At most he lucks out.
>>17340265 Right on man. It looked dope, and the basis for the park itself (if you've played TSW you'll know, if not I can spoil it) leads to a pretty neat concept for a horror game.
>>17340275 What the guy below you said. I've only read the Lovecraft stuff from the Cthulu mythos because as far as I'm concerned 90% of the other writers fiction is fan-fiction tier.
>>17340290 >here's a reason Lovecraft died without many riches well also, consider the times. I don't think the world was at optimum susceptibility to the horror genre as a whole at the time. Especially not one that could be interpreted as at-odds with the christian bible.
>>17340304 Eeeeeh I dunno. I think that's a stretch. Most of Lovecrafts shit was published in something referred to as the pulps. Kind of an earlier 1900s shonen jump but for short stories instead of comics. When you're scaring the piss out of kids for a living, religious ideology doesn't come into play that much.Sure, that might have been a bit of it, but it's mostly because of his stories being bleak in my mind. It's the same reason Thanos never completly obliterates the avengers for good, or why the secret wars was survived and will eventually be won by the good guys. Because if everyone people loved died and shit just ended with no retribution, people would be downright furious.
I'm that dick, I just get easily annoyed by the people who say they love Lovecraft but they're actually talking about things that are inspired by the people who were inspired by Lovecraft. It's cringey Hot Topic-core fan status to me.
If you're just into later mythos stuff that's great, more power to you. But I'm really just sick and tired of people saying Lovecraftian wrong.
Like look at The Thing
The Thing is all about the unknown, uneasiness, paranoia, isolation. They're stuck in a remote location, unimaginable horrors are happening, nobody gets a happy ending. It's very Lovecraftian (the entire apocalypse trilogy is really)
But there are a lot of fans who are like DUDE REMEMBER THE SPIDER HEAD THAT WAS SICK LOL #LOVECRAFT #BLOODBORNE #2SPOOPY
Silent Hill has similar issues, there are a lot of "fans" who just jerk off to pyramid head and don't care about the mystery, the story and the ambiguity of the characters.
>>17340321 Woah woah woah, lets get one thing straight here bud, don't be talkin smack about my Bloodbourne. It's as close as we can get and there are many ways to explain why no ending is a good ending. I feel you on the rest of it though. It's kind of annoying considering the only horror that can deeply scare me is this abstract type and then people just come and shit all over it with their "interpretations". Fuckin fan fiction grind my gears the most man.
My issue is just people calling it Lovecraftian, it's obviously cosmic horror. It's like I was saying earlier about people influenced by the people who were influenced by Lovecraft, maybe even more distant than that. Even going back to the originals it's closer to like Clark Ashton Smith
>>17340355 No clue, I just heard they were called that as a passing phrase in a conversation. If you want to hear a decent spiel about Lovecraft look up the Podcast 'Bonfire Side Chat". It's mostly a Dark Souls and all it's se/prequel walkthrough but they do special episode every now and then and a couple of months ago they spent a few hours discussing Lovecraft and a few of his works. Just be careful if you're the non-SJW type dude as they like to talk about SJW shit from time to time. It's p. fuckin lame but the rest of the show is pretty solid. Good walkthrough too.
>>17340365 I getcha man. Bloodborne was just my GOTY 2015 [spoiler] and was actually got me to start reading all of Lovecrafts works. I thoroughly enjoy the depravity and pure despair that Lovecraft works through more than Bloodbornes shock and "fight or flight" type fear. [/spoiler]
>>17340505 Im not sure I understand why. Is it just because people are so accustomed to jump spooks and flash that the subtly is a lost art? Or does it get back to what you were saying about how the hero doesn't win? or what?
>>17340513 Not him but it's more about imagination when it comes to the whole thing. The only thing's described about Cthulu in Call of Cthulu is his general outline in the figure, a line about angles that were "acute but acting as though they were obtuse" or vice versa or something, and one more line about non-Euclidean geometry. The rest is just in your head. How do you portray most of those things on screen?
"As the good lady shewed me out of the building she made it clear that the pirate theory of the Marsh fortune was a popular one among the intelligent people of the region. Her own attitude toward shadowed Innsmouth—which she had never seen—was one of disgust at a community slipping far down the cultural scale, and she assured me that the rumours of devil-worship were partly justified by a peculiar secret cult which had gained force there and engulfed all the orthodox churches.
It was called, she said, “The Esoteric Order of Dagon”, and was undoubtedly a debased, quasi-pagan thing imported from the East a century before, at a time when the Innsmouth fisheries seemed to be going barren. Its persistence among a simple people was quite natural in view of the sudden and permanent return of abundantly fine fishing, and it soon came to be the greatest influence on the town, replacing Freemasonry altogether and taking up headquarters in the old Masonic Hall on New Church Green."
How would you adapt that to film without rewriting it? The closest a movie has ever come was the silent Call of Cthulhu film and even that took quite a few liberties iirc
Well you'd just be having someone read the book but show you visuals to go along with it instead of imagining them yourself.
All the best adaptations make something new, there's plenty of instances where the movie is actually better than the book (The Godfather, Drive, Jackie Brown, The Thing, Full Metal Jacket, Stand By Me, Jurassic Park, Jaws) because they weren't just trying to turn the book into a movie, they were making a movie based on the book.
This is true of all the decent Lovecraft adaptations. Re-Animator is a fine movie but it's nothing like the source material really. You can tell it's based on it but it's far from a direct adaptation.
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