Are the different hells in buddhism only meant symbolicily or are they supposed to be real places for people with bad karma ?
I am on my way to buddhism und scared shitless
just look at this, how am I supposed to life in the here and now if something like that could happen to me ?
>how am I supposed to live in the here and now if something like that could happen to me?
Well you could start by not accumulating the all expense paid ticket to end up there after you check out. Not really that complicated.
Don't worry, "hell" is a highly symbolical term.
You see, you incarnated on earth for different reasons; maybe you have something to learn, or something to do, or just want to experience human reality - probably a mix of all three. But basically, the incarnation is a process of the divine you descending upon earth, undergoing spiritual transmutation, and then going back stronger than before.
This is also Jesus symbolizes - he is God, who descended on earth in a humble act, got completly destroyed in a process of spiritual transformation/transmutation, and then got reborn stronger than ever, as a glorious king, and ascended back to heaven. No wonder he is also a solar deity, because fire purifies. This is what being reborn in Christ actually means. Having your sins forgiven, means to go through a process of spiritual refinement purification where all your spiritual, emotional, mental, physical issues will be brought up, where all the bullshit, all the darkness inside you, all the negativity will be brought up. Ofcourse its a painful process, because all this bullshit within you does not disappear . it needs to surface first, you will face it, and it will "destroy" the old you in the same way it destroyed Christ on the cross (not literal death, symbolically) - just so that you can get reborn from the ashes more powerful, more pure, more closer to the divine as a king. The same things are symbolized by the egyptian Horus/Ra, and pretty much all other solar deities.
Fire is the purifying element. By being dropped into fire, your old self is burned down in a painful process that destroys the old self, just so that your new self can rise more powerful, more enlightened, more pure and closer to the divine source.
Purgatory is the same principe applied to the spirit realm, where spirits undergo a process of purification after death under certain conditions - although I am not sure how this one works.
Basically, just work on yourself and its fine
>MFW life is shitty as fuck
I cant believe that I fucked up this big in my past life
As someone who was born into Buddhism, let me tell you that all this "Buddhism is so symbolic and atheist" shit was made up by White, latte drinking hipsters.
There is hell in Buddhism and ghosts, pretas and all that other stuff. Even gods.
Jesus fucking Christ. I keep hearing about how Buddhism is more of a philosophy than a religion, how it's really helpful and it's something even atheists can appreciate, and how it's different from all the bullshit western religions. And then I see shit like this. Torture and unimaginable suffering for drinking, gambling, and infidelity? The only one of those things that's inherently bad is the infidelity, but that sure as fuck doesn't warrant endless torture.
If this shit is mainstream, Buddhism is just as bad as fundamentalist Christianity. "Live the way we say you should or you'll have a 'gloomy mind' (whatever the fuck that means) and you'll go to hell and be tortured by demons! Actually, even if you try really hard to follow our 'commandments', you'll probably still end up in hell, but do it anyway or you'll end up in double-plus-bad hell!"
...sort of. Buddhism has a lot of different realms, each associated with the emotions that lead you to be reborn there. Hell realms are any place (in this world or other dimensions) that are dominated by anger or hatred (or just generally aversion).
It's largely a function of your attitude. Whether you believe you might be reincarnated in hell or not, you should gain control over yourself to the point where you aren't controlled by aversion (or any of the other five disturbing emotions).
I recommend you don't think of it as 'heavan' or 'hell' if that harshes your mellow. Some places to be reborn are shitter than others, but that's just one of many reasons to gain control over your awareness so you can decide where you go when you're unmoored from your physical form.
You get reborn as a god. No really, if you were an ethical hedonist in this life, you'll keep on partying for several eons. Supposedly the hangover takes several lifetimes though.
I agree this adds nothing of much value to the path, except insofar as the description of the multiverse is a metaphor for the inner path through overcoming one's more confused instincts. I do find that in North America at least, only a minority of buddhists think this way, probably because Buddhism has no surviving evangelical religion and not a lot of people do it just to fit in. Not much need to frighten the peasants if everyone in it is motivated by actually wanting to achieve enlightenment.
its not permanent . hells are states of existence between lives in buddhism. its not like the pop culture hell christians thought up
the purpose is to strip away the ego leaving only the id. the core self. its not a punishment and time spent can seem fleeting
the reason some versions of buddhism have a more scary version is only a enlightened being can stand ones ground against horrifying things . any animal can run away when scared but not even every man can understand the futility in running and accept what must happen
But is it full of physical pain ?
Also, is it true, that, the upper you are on the realm, the less beings life there ?
I mean there are much more animals as humans.
So does that mean, that there is an incredible number of hell beings ?
Buddha said hell doesn't really exists, it is created by the mind. But this same applies to our world, so if you think our world exists then it's stupid to consider hell non-existent.
I've occasionally wondered if Buddhism and its tenets are purely an artifact of Asian cultures emphasizing the collective, and teaching people that the individual comes second and that they should submit to authority. There's all that talk about how the ultimate goal is to lose your ego and all your attachments. To me, that seems like a very useful philosophy to instill in people if you're at the top of the social ladder and want to keep the social caste system the way it is - tell the peasants that they'll be "enlightened" if they don't care how shitty their lives are.
>only a enlightened being can stand ones ground against horrifying things. any animal can run away when scared but not even every man can understand the futility in running and accept what must happen
And this sounds like something that could easily be used to brainwash the peasants so they don't rebel against the upper classes. "Don't fight back against us no matter how much we oppress you. Fighting back is the response of an animal. A truly enlightened being will understand that resistance is futile, and simply allow us to continue doing whatever we want to whoever we want."
Those ideas show up in Abrahamic religions too. "Oh your life is shitty? Be a good servant of god and when you die all will be wonderful!" There's a reason Marx called religion the opiate of the masses. He may or may not be right, but he didn't pull it out of left field.
I think Buddhism differs in telling its followers things about their internal selves. IE: "Give up your desires and desire won't bother you any more," instead of "give up your desire and you'll get everything you want after you die."
Yeah, but at least the Abrahamic religions offer something that might make it worth it. The endgame of Buddhism is apparently complete emptiness. Why would I want to work toward that? You'd think that the best way to reach the end goal of Buddhism would be to just fucking kill yourself and have your soul be annihilated. If you don't exist, you can't desire anything! And yet it seems like what you're actually supposed to do is continue to exist, but with no desires, interests, or personality, so you might as well not exist. In practical terms, that would make you very useful for the elites, because you don't care if they beat you, kill you, torture you, conscript you, enslave your children, take everything you have, etc.
>"Give up your desires and desire won't bother you any more"
I mean, am I supposed to consider this tautological bullshit profound of something?
This. It's unbelievable how so many people just regurgitate their own made-up opinions as if they actually were what Buddhist/x really believes. New agers, theosophists and hippies are the worse...
>The endgame of Buddhism is apparently complete emptiness
I don't think you've understood it.
The end goal is to reach nirvana, a state of pure bliss, where you have abandoned your attachments and are totally at peace. As an analogy I'd call it an internal heaven reached via a lot of work, rather than an external heaven that you reach when you die.
So...this is the exact same thing as Christian hell...wow.
For fuck's sake why does everyone who see this shit can't take something figuratively and have to take it litterally.
No, you will not go into a literal realm of fire and torture when you die you fucking naive fool. Stop succumbing to the fear propaganda!
Man it's not hard, just live your life living in the moment, not lingering on past regret and try your hardest to do good and be a good person.
CONGRATULATIONS! YOU WILL DIE WITHOUT REGRET AND WILL NOT GO TO HELL!