/x/, I doubt many of you find my comments memorable, so I'll narrow it down. I found a coin outside my apartment. I keep commenting on threads, promising to post this coin. But every time I've looked for it to take the damn picture, its missing. After a CAREFUL and watchful eye, I finally got two VERY clear pictures on my phone.
/x/, what the hell kind of coin is it? Should I take this to a museum? Donate it to a church? Cleanse myself?
And /x/ I am sorry if these are a bit unclear. I took the clearest pictures I could. But I used my phone, so not sure how good these will look on pc.
>/x/, what the hell kind of coin is it? Should I take this to a museum? Donate it to a church? Cleanse myself?
How about running a simple battery of tests? It's a coin, measures its weight, its dimensions, put a magnet to it and see what happens. See how quickly it gets hot when near a heat source or how cold it gets. Write this stuff down and inform yourself of its properties instead of handing it over to someone else who'll probably just sell it.
The scorpion and double cross should give you a head start on terms to search to find more meaning and symbols.
I'm not looking for value. I don't care about value. I'm looking for meaning. What is it /x/? Not what it's worth. I don't care what it's worth. I care about what it is. The symbols. The cross.
>I'm looking for meaning.
You'll find meaning once you understand what it means to understand something instead of asking someone else to understand it for you.
You're on the internet right now and you have the item itself literally in your hands for reference and there's a wealth of sources you can cross check.
Alternatively if you want to really have an expert explain firsthand put up a poster for whoever lost it. You'll find out one way or another what you found.
I've been looking for any sort of link between this and any sort of religion or cult I can think of. I don't think Google works if I don't already have an idea of what to look for.
And even then, I've looked.
This is what I've found from basic internet searches:
The scorpion often represents solitude, or isolation.
The double cross, is just another form of the cross. The second line is suppose to represent a plaque or something.
The other symbols aren't really decipherable, except on the back it looks like it says "ST" as in St. Augustine
From what I gather this is some sort of Christian symbolism. Jesus died alone on the cross, and the Scorpion represents being alone too.
But I'm not into Christianity at all, so I can't come up with any deeper meanings other than solitude.
I understand. But you seem to be under the impression that you're the first people I came to with this. I've been looking for two/three years. My only resources are an Arizona library, my friend who is currently sleeping, and the internet.
I can't exactly find anyone with any measurable amount of intelligence in Arizona. Not without wandering around like an imbecile with a coin/medallion.
You're obviously not the first thing I'd resort to, and you're under no obligation to help. I thought it would be something /x/ might be interested in. Maybe I was mistaken.
Maybe the people asking me to post this before aren't here anymore. Like I said, I've been trying to post this for three years.
Thank you. I appreciate your input.
I talked to a friend about it. I couldn't send him a picture because it was one of the five times I lost it while trying to take a picture. I sent the pictures to him, but he's asleep right now, so I decided to post.
You're about the only useful input I've gotten.
From top to bottom, front to back:
INRI, Iesus Nazareth Rex Iews, Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews
Unclear figures below the crucified figure. Can make out what looks like a face at the bottom at the very least.
The back of this thing could be a million things.
Though the most obviously noteworthy are the three encircled signs, the scorpion, a smaller repeated cross image on the other side. Backwards 4, M.
I'll keep checking to see if a code or pattern is here, but I still think its material properties would be useful to get somewhere with this. Not for value purposes, but figuring out what it's made from can at least give an idea of how it was made and why.
>implying it didn't change
but yes, that was my mistake. I haven't studied much ancient history, and sometimes get confused. I'm aware the Roman Empire was long and their main language was latin.
In short the complete "picture" is divided between the opposing sides of the back. By spinning the coin the picture on both sides should merge and give you the complete picture...
My 2 cents...
I'm not sure if it's curious or to be expected that the top circle lines up with the top of the cross.
Aside from the scorpion fitting almost neatly I don't see any significant change.
It a medal that clips onto a rosary or something - possibly something Hungarian (given the Hungarian cross on it).
Some little old lady has probably lost it :(
The more I look at it the more that bottom face looks like a skull, but I really don't want to influence others. Yes I realize the irony of saying that now, but I'm just making it clear I'm bringing it up as something I think I see not something I'm certain of.
Now I'm sure it's a skull.
The detail on the small cross has some very telling things.
That's a skull and bones, I think there's also a figure that looks like a woman with a halo of rays and the INRI has what looks like a 6 pointed star.
As we speak m8
It really looks like some kind of Eastern Christian medal. The scorpion tends to represent the devil traditional Christian iconography - it's probably a medal for protection against evil, like a St. Benedict's medal.
Where about are you OP in the world? Probs best going to a museum, university, or Church to find out more.
I'm in Arizona. And I don't trust religious people here, really. I trust you all more because I know how impartial you are, and since you all have pictures now, if you kept them, well, the coin is out there now. If its of importance someone will find me, if not, well its a nice good luck charm.
Yeah, don't go to a Pastor Bob type figure - you would need to find an Orthodox or Catholic priest. Perhaps find out if there is an Orthodox presence (historical or otherwise) in your area - that might help you narrow down what it is.
Someone just told me to post on reddit.
And then someone else said something interesting.
I've tried rotating it every which way like an amateur and nothing. There's clearly something here given the intentional use of some symbols but now I can see why you spent 3 years on this thing OP, it seems even when you figure out certain details the clues trail off.
Is there anything on the sides or ridges?
This. If you can measure it's mass and determine it's volume (either by measuring it's demensions since it's basically a flat disk, or by measuring it's displacement), you can calculate it's density, which coupled with a quick google search or two should tell you what it's made of, which could potentially point to how old it is, along with a few other possibilities. These are high school level calculations and are very straightforward and could potentially give us some telltale information on the coin.
Unless it's modern and has an outer coating of metal, in which case you would have to scratch it to see if there's a different color underneath the surface.
We're just trying to help OP, and you can never have too much data!
No, only that its broken at the top. Most likely, this was a medallion but the top part broke off, so I'm used to calling it a coin. But it was most likely a medallion or keychain, necklace, etc.
Nice job but could you superimpose the left and right side of the rear of the coin.
I believe tge squigles will line up, completing the image.
It may be required to mirror the one side...
I hope I am making sense...
This interested me.
It's a enigma isn't it. You get closer without really getting anywhere at the same time.
Maybe I've watched too many movies, but I get this feeling you're supposed to go so far and no further by knowing how far to go in the first place. Over do it and it just becomes more confusing or misleading.
and since I know itll be asked for, horizontally mirrored, and flipped
OP been watching this thread from the start and this guy>>17328167
is on to something.
I've been staring at the fine details trying to make them out.
Can you take closer, more details pictures of the crowns about jesus on bot sides?
Or just closer shots in general?
Welp you've got some kind of coin with gibberish symbology.
I feel like those random curves are chopped up hebrew.
looking through the pentacle from the key of solomon
Luke 17-19 KJV:
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
I'm probably way off since I don't really know anything about this stuff, but you were saying in >>17328262 that you thought the thing looked like a scarab but it doesn't fit..... didn't some anon say the squiggles look coptic? Isn't coptic egyptian christianity?
oh I suppose that needs context, the circles on the back, could be representative of the sephiroth, bringing in the lightning bolt, which associated by that passage to the scorpion
The thing is while we can interpret meaning to the scorpion and skull and crossbones, but the only immediately recognizable and definitively religious symbols are christian so it's hard to say for certain in my opinion. We could be starring right at clear signs for all we know, but whatever those scribbles are we can't recognize their significance and why for example more are bunched up in the above left and right portions than the lower ones or what those 3 circles are about.
There's a pattern here but it's above us.
forgive me op but the scribbles in the top left corner tempted me so
OP can find out the volume using the water displacement method using a ruler and a glas or a measuring cylinder. You could also find the mass with some tricky ratio comparisons to other objects you have around you know the weight of.
From there you can get the density and estimate its composition between Zinc and Copper.
Hey OP that cross looks extremely familiar. Look up Cruz De Caravaca
>Cruz De Caravaca
book de san cipro
Where the hell is OP? Reading up on the Cross of Caravaca implies it has wish fulfilling properties and with The Great Book of Saint Cyprian and a Portuguese interpreter to explain the missing symbols he might finally get closure on 3 years of questions.
This is the full text of the part pertaining to this:
"TALISMAN EXTERMINADOR. Este talismán se ha de fabricar en la noche del sábado, de 10 a 12, en ocasión que la Luna llena está en el centro de su carrera y el cielo despejado y sereno. En la invocación se nombrará Saturno. Su metal predominante será el plomo, pero ha de llevar de todos los otros metales.
Se expondrá durante 30 días a las influencias planetarias todas las noches de 10 a 12. Para su uso las reglas indicadas ya.
El poder maravilloso que posee sobre todos los malos espíritus es muy grande, por la virtud de la Cruz de Caravaca, el escorpión y los círculos cabalísticos que contiene. El que use este talismán podrá imponer su voluntad a los espíritus y personas, pues todos le obedecerán ciegamente, y si se coloca sobre persona poseída del demonio, al momento será libre."
Google image search for "Libro de San Cypriano" and scanned through if I can find the full page it's from. foundit.jpg
Then transcribed a part of the text into google and found a text version.
Mad props to these two:
Thanks it was hard to make out and type down word by word.
Butchered but interesting google translation from Spanish
>TALISMAN exterminator. This talisman be manufactured on the night of Saturday, 10-12, during the full moon it is in the middle of his career and the good weather and calm. In the invocation Saturn appointed. Its metal lead is dominant, but must carry all the other metals.
It is exposed for 30 days to planetary influences every night from 10 to 12. To use the rules given anymore.
The wonderful power possessed over all evil spirits is very large, by the virtue of the Cross of Caravaca, the scorpion and the Kabbalistic circles in it. Which use this talisman can impose its will on the minds and selves, since all obey him blindly, and if placed on the demon possessed person, the time will be free.
I think this is a Seal of Solomon type artifact. I'm worried yet curious. While it's near perfectly identical in arrangement, the actual symbols on the amulet in the circles and the scribbles don't completely match up. It might be a snare, not sure if OP should test his luck.
I'm actually trying to guess if it's referring to exterminating demon possession or exterminating the possessor. You know how these things go.
It says something about it can give you control spirits AND humans. It says something about people who are possessed can be temporarily freed OR People can be possessed using this thing or something, I dunno, he'd better watch his ass though, this shit looks like the mexican necronomicon,
I do try not to fearmonger too often, but I have to wonder what happened to the original owner. OP said he just found it outside his apartment 3 years ago. Could someone really lose something like this and not try to get it back?
"This talisman must be manufactured in Saturday night, from 10 to 12, when the moon it's in the middle of his "race" (I guess it refers to the moon being in the middle of the sky) and the sky is clear and calm. In the summoning/invocation (like when you summon a demon) Saturn will be named. Its main metal will be lead, but it has to be made with all the other metals.
It will be exposed during 30 days to the planetary influences every night from 10 to 12. The wonderful power it posseses over evil spirits it's great, because of the virtue of the Cross of Caravaca, the scorpion and the cabbalistic circles that it contains. The one who uses this talisman will be able to impose his will to spirits and people, everyone will obey him blindly, and if placed over someone possessed by the devil, he will be free instantly"
It's a very sloppy translation, but I think you get the overall meaning
Thank you kindly anon, it makes much more sense.
>The one who uses this talisman will be able to impose his will to spirits and people, everyone will obey him blindly
Can OP resist trying?
go to the 3rd floor of the Burton Barr library. it may seem like its off limits, but 2 historians, and a theologist work there. show them the pictures, and/or the coin. problem solved.
The cross is commonly used by Orthodox Churches such as Russians but also Spanish. Cruz de caravca would be one of the religious dumb fucks that use that. they print that shit on coins, put holes in it and wear it around their necks. So that's nothing too unusual here in europe. my sister wears one. It's supposed to protect like a clover.
Hi, op here. Thank you all so much. I think it'd be best to keep it with me at all times for now. I'd rather not lose something that can only bring chaotic good in my possession. Who knows what will happen if I just throw it away. I'll try not to control people I guess. Thank you all so much.
Since 2008 I've lived for these kind of threads, scarce have they been lately. Threads on /x/ that are not only not-retarded but bring together the community in a collective positive effort, are useful to someone, conclusive and resolved responsibly.
No, OP, I should thank you. Take care.
Just throwing it out there man. Youre in AZ like me. Cartels use the scorpion as a symbol, I forget which one. The cross has jesus, the virgin mary, and a skull and bones. The skull and bones makes me think of the angel of death that many worship in Mexico and making its way into the USA
Id guess you have a coin someone mixed in with the cartels would carry for protection during their jobs. Just thinking.
this is what brings me back to /x/-
all the name calling arguing and derailment be damned
I love the /x/ community
its all about intent with these types of subjects-
today I am better for it and so are you-
good luck in the future op
I think it's more of a reference to the proto-evangelion, where satan will bruise Jesus' heel, and Jesus will crush satan's head.
Jesus was crucified on Golgatha, the Hill of the Skull. Golgatha was named after Goliath of Gath, when David put the severed head of Goliath there.
So when satan bruised Jesus' heel, another crucifixion reference, Jesus crushed satan's head.
Talismans like these have no godly value.
Well, the orthodox cross has the little foot pegs that the condemned would stand on, with their arms outstretched. You'd push up with your feet to allow your lungs to draw air, and then you'd fall back down and exhale. You could do this for days. That's why when they want to kill someone who's being crucified, they break his legs so he can't push up for air anymore.
They had to invent a new word for the pain people feel on a cross. Excruciating.
I think maybe in order to put the Mary and the skull and crossbones in under Jesus' feet, they moved the foot pegs up to his waist (which also looks kind of distorted). And then perhaps for aesthetic reasons, they broadened the lower cross arms for more balance.
that coined is given to those asigned to the ancient order of guilders, it dates back to the 12th century. it was positioned for you to find by destiny by a time traveling sorcerer. in order to gain it's power, you have to put it in your pooper hole, but on a string, like a tampon. it has to be on full moon. then you take it out and lick it clean.
Very good find, anon!
Doing some backwards trekking it seems the symbols on the coin and the Glozel stones could be Old Italic script or some derivative thereof.
There are at least some similarities between them, namely the T symbol, V-bird like symbol, M symbol and the sideways Sowilo like symbol.
The curious thing is the instructions describe them as kabbalistic/cabalistic, which could refer to the Kabbalah or a Cabal. It's just one enigma after the other.
i found this
>To manage the risks of piracy or shipwreck, merchants often consigned a cargo to several vessels or caravans; a mark on a bale established legal ownership and avoided confusion. Early travellers, voyagers and merchants displayed their merchant's marks as well to ward off evil. Adventurous travellers and sailors ascribed the terrors and perils of their life to the wrath of the Devil. To counter these dangers merchants employed all sorts of religious and magical means to place their caravans, ships and merchandise under the protection of God and His Saints.
The Mystical Sign of Four, also called the "Staff of Mercury".
>One such symbol combined the mystical "Sign of Four" with the merchant's name or initials. The "Sign of Four" was an outgrowth of an ancient symbol adopted by the Romans and by Christianity, Chi Rho (XP), standing for the first two letters of Christus in Greek letters; this was simplified to a reversed "4" in Medieval times. The evolution of this symbol is shown in M. J. Shah's article. The "Sign of Four" is called the "Staff of Mercury" (Caduceus) in German and Scandinavian literature on house marks.
so it says it could stand for "christus" which would go with the prevailing theme so far.