/x/, I doubt many of you find my comments memorable, so I'll

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And /x/ I am sorry if these are a bit unclear. I took the clearest pictures I could. But I used my phone, so not sure how good these will look on pc.

>>17327874
>/x/, what the hell kind of coin is it? Should I take this to a museum? Donate it to a church? Cleanse myself?
How about running a simple battery of tests? It's a coin, measures its weight, its dimensions, put a magnet to it and see what happens. See how quickly it gets hot when near a heat source or how cold it gets. Write this stuff down and inform yourself of its properties instead of handing it over to someone else who'll probably just sell it.

The scorpion and double cross should give you a head start on terms to search to find more meaning and symbols.

>>17327911

I'm not looking for value. I don't care about value. I'm looking for meaning. What is it /x/? Not what it's worth. I don't care what it's worth. I care about what it is. The symbols. The cross.

>>17327916
google.com
you're welcome.

>>17327874
Probably from a souvenir shop. It looks like some kind of novelty

>>17327916
>I'm looking for meaning.
You'll find meaning once you understand what it means to understand something instead of asking someone else to understand it for you.
You're on the internet right now and you have the item itself literally in your hands for reference and there's a wealth of sources you can cross check.

Alternatively if you want to really have an expert explain firsthand put up a poster for whoever lost it. You'll find out one way or another what you found.

>>17327920

I've been looking for any sort of link between this and any sort of religion or cult I can think of. I don't think Google works if I don't already have an idea of what to look for.

And even then, I've looked.

>>17327920
You're very special.

>>17327930

This is what I've found from basic internet searches:

The scorpion often represents solitude, or isolation.

The double cross, is just another form of the cross. The second line is suppose to represent a plaque or something.

The other symbols aren't really decipherable, except on the back it looks like it says "ST" as in St. Augustine

From what I gather this is some sort of Christian symbolism. Jesus died alone on the cross, and the Scorpion represents being alone too.

But I'm not into Christianity at all, so I can't come up with any deeper meanings other than solitude.

>>17327929

I understand. But you seem to be under the impression that you're the first people I came to with this. I've been looking for two/three years. My only resources are an Arizona library, my friend who is currently sleeping, and the internet.

I can't exactly find anyone with any measurable amount of intelligence in Arizona. Not without wandering around like an imbecile with a coin/medallion.

You're obviously not the first thing I'd resort to, and you're under no obligation to help. I thought it would be something /x/ might be interested in. Maybe I was mistaken.

Maybe the people asking me to post this before aren't here anymore. Like I said, I've been trying to post this for three years.

>>17327958

Thank you. I appreciate your input.

I talked to a friend about it. I couldn't send him a picture because it was one of the five times I lost it while trying to take a picture. I sent the pictures to him, but he's asleep right now, so I decided to post.

You're about the only useful input I've gotten.

From top to bottom, front to back:

INRI, Iesus Nazareth Rex Iews, Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews
Patriarchal cross
Two angels
Unclear figures below the crucified figure. Can make out what looks like a face at the bottom at the very least.

The back of this thing could be a million things.
Though the most obviously noteworthy are the three encircled signs, the scorpion, a smaller repeated cross image on the other side. Backwards 4, M.

I'll keep checking to see if a code or pattern is here, but I still think its material properties would be useful to get somewhere with this. Not for value purposes, but figuring out what it's made from can at least give an idea of how it was made and why.

>>17327960
I believe this is an /x/ related post.

But maybe try the new history board too.

>>17327970

Thank you. I've been excited about this damn coin since I found it. My immediate thought was running here, but my phone was terrible. And I lost my camera around the same time.

>>17327970
It's possible those symbols are a mix of Roman and Latin....but it looks like a bunch of lines.

>>17327980

I never even stopped to think about that, thank you so much. You're my favorite.

>>17327987
>a mix of Roman and Latin
So that would be just Latin then. Are you slow?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Lorraine

>>17328018
>implying it didn't change

but yes, that was my mistake. I haven't studied much ancient history, and sometimes get confused. I'm aware the Roman Empire was long and their main language was latin.

I believe that the backside of the coin have "hidden" pictures or words which you should see if you spin the coin along the vertical axis of the cross on the rear. Give it a go...

>>17328026
The Patriarchal cross seems closer since it has mention of the INRI and crucifixion.

>>17328051

In short the complete "picture" is divided between the opposing sides of the back. By spinning the coin the picture on both sides should merge and give you the complete picture...

My 2 cents...

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/enoch/aeonpers.txt

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>>17328066
delivered

>>17328116
I'm not sure if it's curious or to be expected that the top circle lines up with the top of the cross.

Aside from the scorpion fitting almost neatly I don't see any significant change.

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>>17327874
It a medal that clips onto a rosary or something - possibly something Hungarian (given the Hungarian cross on it).

Some little old lady has probably lost it :(

>>17328116

I'm surprised the pictures were clear enough for that.

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>>17328146

Clearer pictures.

>>17328156
The more I look at it the more that bottom face looks like a skull, but I really don't want to influence others. Yes I realize the irony of saying that now, but I'm just making it clear I'm bringing it up as something I think I see not something I'm certain of.

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>>17328156

And the back

>>17328160
look at the inverse on the new picture, then back at the front face, that is clearly a skull and crossbones.

>>17328161
HOLD EVERYTHING.
Now I'm sure it's a skull.

The detail on the small cross has some very telling things.

That's a skull and bones, I think there's also a figure that looks like a woman with a halo of rays and the INRI has what looks like a 6 pointed star.

>>17328164
As we speak m8

>>17328156
It really looks like some kind of Eastern Christian medal. The scorpion tends to represent the devil traditional Christian iconography - it's probably a medal for protection against evil, like a St. Benedict's medal.

Where about are you OP in the world? Probs best going to a museum, university, or Church to find out more.

>>17328167
A unicursal hexagram to be more precise.

>>17328178

I'm in Arizona. And I don't trust religious people here, really. I trust you all more because I know how impartial you are, and since you all have pictures now, if you kept them, well, the coin is out there now. If its of importance someone will find me, if not, well its a nice good luck charm.

>>17328182
Those squiggles may be Coptic text - would make sense with the scorpion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_alphabet#Alphabet_table

>>17328190
Yeah, don't go to a Pastor Bob type figure - you would need to find an Orthodox or Catholic priest. Perhaps find out if there is an Orthodox presence (historical or otherwise) in your area - that might help you narrow down what it is.

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Someone just told me to post on reddit.

And then someone else said something interesting.

I've tried rotating it every which way like an amateur and nothing. There's clearly something here given the intentional use of some symbols but now I can see why you spent 3 years on this thing OP, it seems even when you figure out certain details the clues trail off.
Is there anything on the sides or ridges?

>>17327970
>>17327911
This. If you can measure it's mass and determine it's volume (either by measuring it's demensions since it's basically a flat disk, or by measuring it's displacement), you can calculate it's density, which coupled with a quick google search or two should tell you what it's made of, which could potentially point to how old it is, along with a few other possibilities. These are high school level calculations and are very straightforward and could potentially give us some telltale information on the coin.

Unless it's modern and has an outer coating of metal, in which case you would have to scratch it to see if there's a different color underneath the surface.

We're just trying to help OP, and you can never have too much data!

>>17328204
Dude unplug your phone it's not good for the battery to leave it plugged in when it's fully charged.

>>17328221

No, only that its broken at the top. Most likely, this was a medallion but the top part broke off, so I'm used to calling it a coin. But it was most likely a medallion or keychain, necklace, etc.

>>17328229

I visibly rolled my eyes right now, but actually, you're right thank you. Lmao

>>17328243
Np :)

>>17328116

Nice job but could you superimpose the left and right side of the rear of the coin.
I believe tge squigles will line up, completing the image.
It may be required to mirror the one side...

I hope I am making sense...

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>>17328255

This interested me.

>>17328262
god that fucking text is so much more faggoty than even reddit

>>17328182
Maybe the backwards 4 means Jupiter in retrograde, the scorpion is Scorpio- ruled by Mars.

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>>17328255
what? mirrored like this?

>>17328265

Yes it is. I love it.

>>17328271
then you....got yourself some gibberish there pal.

gg

>>17328294

WHAT ABOUT mirrored horizontally?

>>17328294
It's a enigma isn't it. You get closer without really getting anywhere at the same time.
Maybe I've watched too many movies, but I get this feeling you're supposed to go so far and no further by knowing how far to go in the first place. Over do it and it just becomes more confusing or misleading.

>>17328307

I agree with the movies thing. And I'd agree, but its been three years. I REALLY want to know what this is and what to do with it accordingly.

>>17328271
Symbol at the top reminds me of an owl.

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>>17328329
and since I know itll be asked for, horizontally mirrored, and flipped

>>17328329
>>17328340
Yep. I don't think there's any shame in acknowledging we've been stumped going about it this way, /x/. We need a new approach.

>>17328347

But but but muh clues

>>17328156
>>17328161
OP been watching this thread from the start and this guy>>17328167
is on to something.
I've been staring at the fine details trying to make them out.
Can you take closer, more details pictures of the crowns about jesus on bot sides?
Or just closer shots in general?

>>17328372
No, I can't even see the details with my plain eyes.

The pictures I took are better than what I can see with glasses and a flashlight.

>>17328385
Do you have a scanner? I've never actually scanned a metal object before but it might work.

>>17328385
Welp you've got some kind of coin with gibberish symbology.
I feel like those random curves are chopped up hebrew.
looking through the pentacle from the key of solomon
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/books/greaterkey/greaterkey_pentacles.pdf

>>17328395

No. If I had anything other than common household objects, I'd have weighed and measured it.

Luke 17-19 KJV:
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

>>17328160
A skull at the base of a crucifix symbolises Adam. You see it on Orthodox designs a lot.

>>17328385
I'm probably way off since I don't really know anything about this stuff, but you were saying in >>17328262 that you thought the thing looked like a scarab but it doesn't fit..... didn't some anon say the squiggles look coptic? Isn't coptic egyptian christianity?

>>17328414
oh I suppose that needs context, the circles on the back, could be representative of the sephiroth, bringing in the lightning bolt, which associated by that passage to the scorpion

>>17328425

So this is either VERY christian, or VERY demonic?

>>17328462
The thing is while we can interpret meaning to the scorpion and skull and crossbones, but the only immediately recognizable and definitively religious symbols are christian so it's hard to say for certain in my opinion. We could be starring right at clear signs for all we know, but whatever those scribbles are we can't recognize their significance and why for example more are bunched up in the above left and right portions than the lower ones or what those 3 circles are about.

There's a pattern here but it's above us.

>>17328585

Damn. ;-;

>>17328462
Im guessing its an eastern orthodox protection amulet. All the appropriate symbolism is there, I dont think its "very demonic" in any sense.

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>>17328271
forgive me op but the scribbles in the top left corner tempted me so

OP can find out the volume using the water displacement method using a ruler and a glas or a measuring cylinder. You could also find the mass with some tricky ratio comparisons to other objects you have around you know the weight of.
From there you can get the density and estimate its composition between Zinc and Copper.

Good post OP!

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Hey OP that cross looks extremely familiar. Look up Cruz De Caravaca
Pic related

Eat the coin, shove in popper or peener

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>>17329278
>Cruz De Caravaca
nice
book de san cipro

>>17329311
cipriano

>>17329278
>>17329311
Holy shit, done in one. Exceptional work anon.

Where the hell is OP? Reading up on the Cross of Caravaca implies it has wish fulfilling properties and with The Great Book of Saint Cyprian and a Portuguese interpreter to explain the missing symbols he might finally get closure on 3 years of questions.

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"Talisman exterminador"

>>17328204
how do you live with that font?

This is the full text of the part pertaining to this:


"TALISMAN EXTERMINADOR. Este talismán se ha de fabricar en la noche del sábado, de 10 a 12, en ocasión que la Luna llena está en el centro de su carrera y el cielo despejado y sereno. En la invocación se nombrará Saturno. Su metal predominante será el plomo, pero ha de llevar de todos los otros metales.
Se expondrá durante 30 días a las influencias planetarias todas las noches de 10 a 12. Para su uso las reglas indicadas ya.
El poder maravilloso que posee sobre todos los malos espíritus es muy grande, por la virtud de la Cruz de Caravaca, el escorpión y los círculos cabalísticos que contiene. El que use este talismán podrá imponer su voluntad a los espíritus y personas, pues todos le obedecerán ciegamente, y si se coloca sobre persona poseída del demonio, al momento será libre."

>>17329432
Anon, this is incredibly helpful. How are you finding so much so quickly?

and >>17329278
>IMG....jpg
Is that yours?
Have you tried "using" it?

>>17329473

Google image search for "Libro de San Cypriano" and scanned through if I can find the full page it's from. foundit.jpg

Then transcribed a part of the text into google and found a text version.

Mad props to these two:
>>17329278
>>17329311

>>17329471
Thanks it was hard to make out and type down word by word.

Butchered but interesting google translation from Spanish
>TALISMAN exterminator. This talisman be manufactured on the night of Saturday, 10-12, during the full moon it is in the middle of his career and the good weather and calm. In the invocation Saturn appointed. Its metal lead is dominant, but must carry all the other metals.
It is exposed for 30 days to planetary influences every night from 10 to 12. To use the rules given anymore.
The wonderful power possessed over all evil spirits is very large, by the virtue of the Cross of Caravaca, the scorpion and the Kabbalistic circles in it. Which use this talisman can impose its will on the minds and selves, since all obey him blindly, and if placed on the demon possessed person, the time will be free.

I think this is a Seal of Solomon type artifact. I'm worried yet curious. While it's near perfectly identical in arrangement, the actual symbols on the amulet in the circles and the scribbles don't completely match up. It might be a snare, not sure if OP should test his luck.

>>17329432
"The Infernal Book"
NOPE
Watch out OP, you're dealing with some real spiritual shit here.

>>17329511
It would be "Exterminating Talisman" in English.

>>17329597
It is kind of funny how a bit ago he asked if it was christian or demonic >>17328462, most said there's nothing to worry about and now with context it's a very different story.

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>>17329605
I'm actually trying to guess if it's referring to exterminating demon possession or exterminating the possessor. You know how these things go.

>>17329610
That talisman in general is dangerous as fuck. He better be careful with that shit or he'll get a demon dick up his ass. That thing aint christian at all.

>>17329624
It says something about it can give you control spirits AND humans. It says something about people who are possessed can be temporarily freed OR People can be possessed using this thing or something, I dunno, he'd better watch his ass though, this shit looks like the mexican necronomicon,

>>17328066
lol

>>17329632
I do try not to fearmonger too often, but I have to wonder what happened to the original owner. OP said he just found it outside his apartment 3 years ago. Could someone really lose something like this and not try to get it back?

>>17329666
checked
hoo boy

>>17329666
Trips of true implementation

>>17329666
well goddamn...
tfw trips are on topic.

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>>17329666
I-I'm sure OP's perfectly OK.

>>17329672
If it was a bad omen/thing to keep around, then yeah. Keeping this type of stuff around could attract all sorts of things. And cause stuff too.

>>17329511
If you want to, I can translate it, It's not going to be perfect but at least it will be something understandable, not like google translator

>>17329745
Please do.

>>17329745
It would be very appreciated, trusting a modern machine translation alone with old arcane text would be unwise.

>>17329354
Haha thank you! I wear it everyday it is for protection!

>>17329473
Yup I use it all the time. My superstitious mum says it is good against witchcraft, demons and other weird shit!

>>17329486
Haha I'm glad I can help!

>>17329751
>>17329762

"This talisman must be manufactured in Saturday night, from 10 to 12, when the moon it's in the middle of his "race" (I guess it refers to the moon being in the middle of the sky) and the sky is clear and calm. In the summoning/invocation (like when you summon a demon) Saturn will be named. Its main metal will be lead, but it has to be made with all the other metals.

It will be exposed during 30 days to the planetary influences every night from 10 to 12. The wonderful power it posseses over evil spirits it's great, because of the virtue of the Cross of Caravaca, the scorpion and the cabbalistic circles that it contains. The one who uses this talisman will be able to impose his will to spirits and people, everyone will obey him blindly, and if placed over someone possessed by the devil, he will be free instantly"

It's a very sloppy translation, but I think you get the overall meaning

>>17329878
Thanks for translation work, you rock
carrera here might translate more closely to "track"

>>17329878
Thank you!
I'd say the "race" is more like "path" or "track"

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>>17329878
Thank you kindly anon, it makes much more sense.
>The one who uses this talisman will be able to impose his will to spirits and people, everyone will obey him blindly
>Absolute power
Can OP resist trying?

op please get it tested to see if it has all the metals i'd like to know

>>17327960
go to the 3rd floor of the Burton Barr library. it may seem like its off limits, but 2 historians, and a theologist work there. show them the pictures, and/or the coin. problem solved.

>>17329913
It needs all the metals if it's the real deal.

Damn this is very interesting

>>17329955
all of them

>>17329955
>>17329959
Believe it or not, it's not that difficult. You're probably thinking of a equal ratio blend, but terms like impurities and trace metals exist for a reason.

>>17327874
>>17327880
The cross is commonly used by Orthodox Churches such as Russians but also Spanish. Cruz de caravca would be one of the religious dumb fucks that use that. they print that shit on coins, put holes in it and wear it around their necks. So that's nothing too unusual here in europe. my sister wears one. It's supposed to protect like a clover.

Here is record /x/ can prove itself more informed and informative than /his/, I will see this go acknowledged. OP will return with due thanks.

>>17332574
Someone posted on /his/ that it is ceremonial magic seal as you pointed out

>>17328204
He just didn't find the grimoire it was from. You fucking twat

>>17332712
>didn't find the grimoire
>/x/ did
So you concede?

>>17329672

Well, I've had this medallion for three years. I'd be dead by now. And losing might be more dangerous than keeping it

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>>17329911

Yes yes I can. Hi I'm alive.

>>17332574

Hi, op here. Thank you all so much. I think it'd be best to keep it with me at all times for now. I'd rather not lose something that can only bring chaotic good in my possession. Who knows what will happen if I just throw it away. I'll try not to control people I guess. Thank you all so much.

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>>17333584
Since 2008 I've lived for these kind of threads, scarce have they been lately. Threads on /x/ that are not only not-retarded but bring together the community in a collective positive effort, are useful to someone, conclusive and resolved responsibly.
No, OP, I should thank you. Take care.

>>17333560
Just throwing it out there man. Youre in AZ like me. Cartels use the scorpion as a symbol, I forget which one. The cross has jesus, the virgin mary, and a skull and bones. The skull and bones makes me think of the angel of death that many worship in Mexico and making its way into the USA

Id guess you have a coin someone mixed in with the cartels would carry for protection during their jobs. Just thinking.

>>17333571
Turn macro shot on. Too blurry.

>>17329432
The one who uses this talisman can inpose is will over demons and humanas and they will obey gently. Spanish fag here sorry for my english

>>17333635
Oops seems like other anón alrady translate it

>>17333651
It's the thought that counts, the more anons we have around willing to translate stuff the better.

>>17333601

No, thank you. Three years, anon. And I now know exactly what I've been protecting.

Mostly out of fear of losing it and then dying.
I love you, /x/.

>>17333635

Gracias. Op, here. I can speak Spanish.

If you're near phx I can take it off your hands

>>17329896
>>17329901
>>17329911
>>17333601
>>17333656
>>17333688
>>17333694
this is what brings me back to /x/-
all the name calling arguing and derailment be damned
I love the /x/ community
its all about intent with these types of subjects-
today I am better for it and so are you-
good luck in the future op

>>17334173
>Hescher 02/08/16(Mon)16:13:58 No.17334173▶
The /x/ community is fucking trash go bck to /pol/ white supremisit faggot

>>17333605
I think it's more of a reference to the proto-evangelion, where satan will bruise Jesus' heel, and Jesus will crush satan's head.

Jesus was crucified on Golgatha, the Hill of the Skull. Golgatha was named after Goliath of Gath, when David put the severed head of Goliath there.

So when satan bruised Jesus' heel, another crucifixion reference, Jesus crushed satan's head.

Talismans like these have no godly value.

>>17334654
Any insight into the second set of arms for the cross, two angels and halo'd figure? Or what the other circled signs mean?

>>17334676
Well, the orthodox cross has the little foot pegs that the condemned would stand on, with their arms outstretched. You'd push up with your feet to allow your lungs to draw air, and then you'd fall back down and exhale. You could do this for days. That's why when they want to kill someone who's being crucified, they break his legs so he can't push up for air anymore.

They had to invent a new word for the pain people feel on a cross. Excruciating.

I think maybe in order to put the Mary and the skull and crossbones in under Jesus' feet, they moved the foot pegs up to his waist (which also looks kind of distorted). And then perhaps for aesthetic reasons, they broadened the lower cross arms for more balance.

>>17334676
>Or what the other circled signs mean?

I would guess angels watching from above, and doves representing the Holy Spirit.

>>17327874
Nice coin bub

>>17334704
>They had to invent a new word for the pain people feel on a cross. Excruciating.
Huh, you learn something horrifying everyday.

>>17327874
that coined is given to those asigned to the ancient order of guilders, it dates back to the 12th century. it was positioned for you to find by destiny by a time traveling sorcerer. in order to gain it's power, you have to put it in your pooper hole, but on a string, like a tampon. it has to be on full moon. then you take it out and lick it clean.

>>17334751
*coin, *its

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>>17327880
Handwriting, really old.

>>17335109
Very good find, anon!

Doing some backwards trekking it seems the symbols on the coin and the Glozel stones could be Old Italic script or some derivative thereof.
There are at least some similarities between them, namely the T symbol, V-bird like symbol, M symbol and the sideways Sowilo like symbol.

The curious thing is the instructions describe them as kabbalistic/cabalistic, which could refer to the Kabbalah or a Cabal. It's just one enigma after the other.

>>17328057
Same cross, different names from different times
>Patriarchal cross, in modern times known as the Cross of Lorraine

>>17328116
try flipping one of the images upside down

>>17328146
In order to clip it would need a clip

>>17327970
>Backwards 4
i found this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant's_mark

>To manage the risks of piracy or shipwreck, merchants often consigned a cargo to several vessels or caravans; a mark on a bale established legal ownership and avoided confusion. Early travellers, voyagers and merchants displayed their merchant's marks as well to ward off evil. Adventurous travellers and sailors ascribed the terrors and perils of their life to the wrath of the Devil. To counter these dangers merchants employed all sorts of religious and magical means to place their caravans, ships and merchandise under the protection of God and His Saints.
The Mystical Sign of Four, also called the "Staff of Mercury".

>One such symbol combined the mystical "Sign of Four" with the merchant's name or initials. The "Sign of Four"[11] was an outgrowth of an ancient symbol adopted by the Romans and by Christianity, Chi Rho (XP), standing for the first two letters of Christus in Greek letters; this was simplified to a reversed "4" in Medieval times. The evolution of this symbol is shown in M. J. Shah's article.[12] The "Sign of Four" is called the "Staff of Mercury" (Caduceus) in German and Scandinavian literature on house marks.

so it says it could stand for "christus" which would go with the prevailing theme so far.

>>17329456
He ignores it and focuses on his real problems.