The basement tapes were posted here 9 years ago,i hope some oldfag remembers
>inb4 the basement tapes were never released
Yes,they were leaked actually
I'm 100% sure they exist somewhere on the clearnet,we just need to know where to look
If you're interested bump this thread with all the knowledge you have and we will eventually find them,this is 4chan's new serious quest for 2016
Let's do this
WE CAN DO THIS FAGGOTS! I believe in all of you. Lets make 4chan great again.
99% of people aren't going to read the transcripts but tons would watch the videos. They don't want people watching the videos and emulating or sensationalizing them so they locked them up.
he didnt even hit her camman
wtf is up with this threads on /x/ anyway?
do you faggots just follow me around in hopes of attracting my attention?
Sorry guys, there are no tapes.
I've had a good look through tor and usenet, I've also put out a few requests and asked friends "itk", they all give the same story..
1, The Originals were held by the local Sheriffs department, and copies were held by the court and an "investigative division" (NSA? CIA?)
2, The parents of the victims were shown the tapes, during which time, Rachels father made an audio recording of approx 2hrs of footage.
3, He released a 29 second audio clip which he thought related to his daughter, ..
4, "The tapes were destroyed". In other words, the tapes were locked away in a vault never top be seen again.
5, Some say that the Sheriff may still own the originals, but that's pure speculation.
I'm still waiting on a few replies but it looks like there are no tapes. In THIS day and age, imo, they'd have popped up somewhere by now if they were out there. I can't even find a reference to anybody claiming to having seen the tapes, let alone the tapes themselves.
>Someone spent hours of their day to draw porno of two mass murderers.
I get why some people admire these guys but to be sexually attracted is whole new level.
Come on, I'd fuck this.
The basement tapes don't exist out of columbine.... You can find the Rampart Shooting range, and Hitmen for hire somewhere.
Can confirm, around 2 years ago I seen the thread where some guy posted an onion link of 80% of the tapes asking if anyone knew if the rest were still intact anywhere. Although, I never actually followed the link so I can't confirm if it was genuine.
I don't get the obsession with the tapes. ive scene bits and pieces of it, as well as reading up on them
its just too edge lords showing off their bombs and guns and talking about how bad ass they are. watch a fucking airsoft channel on youtube and you get the same thing
my understanding is that they weren't even really bullied. they didn't like the high school social scene but they had a group of friends and they were generally accepted from what i heard. they just had a lot of teenage rage and they decided to do something awful because they were boring, average guys otherwise and this is the only way they'd be remembered.
>listening to local political radio station on the day of the Sandy Hook shooting
>radio says "potential second shooter was seen in the woods dressed in camouflage"
>never heard of the second shooter again
im pretty sure they were bullied, but they werent at the very bottom of the totem pole. But they wanted to kill everyone in the school. It wasn't some vigilant revenge on the bullies like alot of these E/D supporters think
it depends on what you define as severaly mentally ill. they had what was more like personality disorders (and probably depression) than psychosis and they knew right from wrong. they were obviously mentally ill based on their actions but they weren't "out of their minds" so to speak.
yeah, pretty much. i can't say how much they were bullied but i don't think it was a chronic problem for either of them. they do some specific complaining about people in their school in writing/videos and most of it isn't about bullying as much as it's "i hate people like this." i get the feeling thatthe bullying issue was overblown in the media, and they certainly weren't the loners or outcasts that they were made out to be in the early years.
Not necessarily, but they did stand up to 'society', so in a way they are revolutionaries. As a teenager I dreamed of murdering everyone in school, but it eventually faded away as I grew the fuck up and realized how idiotic and cringy all of this is. Even back then I remember wondering why the fuck they did this if they weren't even victimized by anyone else.
In any case, I always thought that the most fun way to kill everyone would have been bombs and blades. Shooting people doesn't seem entertaining to me, but then again, I've never shot anything.
I honestly don't doubt that there were more people involved, some of them probably chickened out in the end, like most people do, or maybe someone got away. Heck, this reminds me of Rampage.
yes, you did hear about that again, if you bothered. if you read the reports they explain who a couple of detained bystanders were. but you don't choose to do that because it ruins your shitty theories where you know better than the rest of the world.
they did try to use bombs but they were dumbass teenagers and their bombs mostly failed.
you still sound kinda edgy and cringy, for what it's worth.
didn't know about the bombs, I live in Brazil so this wasn't really an 'event' here, I got most of what I know about it from wikipedia. Tbh they were just teenagers so you can't expect that this would have been well thought-out.
And ayyy, I'm about as edgy as a rubber ball nowadays, but I'm still pretty embarrassed about how I felt about things back then, I didn't even have any serious mental issues. But hey, at least I'm not using heath ledger joker images and quotes about knives, eh?
I was given the tapes about 8 months ago on a USB from a friend. I've never uploaded/posted any type of illegal shit on the internet and I'm 100% if I'm found out this could fuck my whole life up. Is there anywhere I can upload them WITHOUT ANY detection or traces? I'd also be prepared to sell them.
... You probably should know how to do shady stuff on the internet by now.
There are a number of good educational resources outlining this stuff, targeted at journalists and activists.
A good start is to use a public network in a place you do not frequent, without being seen, face-to-face or on camera,by the people administeing the network.
That said, the activity you described is not that shadey and, in all likelihood, will not
>fuck [your] whole life up
>And would it really be illegal if you didn't originally leak the vids?
>tapes don't exist on the internet
>post them on the internet
>you're now the one that leaked the videos
What would be illegal about posting them? Is it illegal to post the tapes? The case is closed, there aren't any loose ends in the official story, or at least not that we know of. The only official reason the tapes haven't been released is because they don't want to inspire copy cats. In reality the tape probably paint the boy sin a different light.
Is legit, then the boys definitely sound more relatable to your typical edgy, misguided teen. Plus they detail how to make bombs, acquire guns and ammo, and conceal weapons. It'd look really bad if the PD or FBI or whatever released the tapes and some faggot copied them and took out another dozen kids at his school. It's easier to just keep them locked up and hope everyone forgets about it.
>Shooting people doesn't seem entertaining to me, but then again, I've never shot anything.
The wikipedia page on the Columbine shooting has a quote from Dylan or Eric essentially saying at some point "Shooting people is boring"
You wouldn't get in trouble. If anything, IF they found the policeman who originally leaked them, that policeman could get in trouble but that would be near impossible to trace. Please post them.
well one of them warned a friend to get out of the school right before it happened. it's possible that one or even both of them regretted it at some point but by then they were murderers and their lives were over anyway.
I meant that if he originally leaked the vids, it would be considered stealing of police evidence. Since it's been years, I doubt anyone would care.
Also, I guess one of my opinions was finally right.
likely, but I doubt we'll ever know.
The tapes were never released because the dudes were the ones to kill those that died in the basement the gov made sure to kill all those people who died in there including the so called shooters
According to the site, the NSA or CIA might have copies somewhere. Rachel Scott's father made a video recording of a portion of them (not just the 20 second audio,) and may still have it. Randy Brown probably does not, but he wanted the tapes released and might likely be sympathetic to our cause. Brooks Brown does not have copies--he had a large amount of Columbine research material a while ago, but he destroyed/got rid of it all.
Several reporters and researchers were allowed to see the tapes. Asking them about how/when and in what circumstances may provide leads.
I also heard on tumblr that allegedly, surveillance footage from the library was shown to students in a police academy in Wisconsin (and that viewing of this footage was a standard part of police school.)
I remember reading about the surveillance tapes being shown at a Wisconsin police school. Didn't they also say Dylan supposedly was visibly scream-crying before he killed himself?
Seen Elephant lately did ya?
There is not a single Gus Van Sant movie where he doesn't insert some kind of homo shit into the story, even when it's irrelevant. He almost made it with Elephant but then the homo in him came out and he had to put that random ass shower scene into the movie.
Oh, yeah. His journal is terrifying to read because it ISN'T what you'd expect. He wasn't stupid; he ponders a lot of deep topics in those pages. He also talks about wanting love. "Love is more valuable than anything I know. To love is to enter a completion of oneself."
He didn't have it on the pages themselves but when he talked to a few online friends he idenified himself as such. Brooks Brown has also said in the past that Dylan mentioned it to him at least once.
We're never gonna find them.
Maybe someday someone will hack JeffCo....Maybe.
The only surveillance was in the cafeteria. There werent cameras in the library. How ever there is a 911 call where you can hear the entire library spree in the background. Only snippets are released though
This documentary gets into it:
Notice how Michael and Lilith Aquino always pop up in these cases that potentially involve ritualized child sex abuse, or mind control? Like how Eric claims he was drugged at his father's military base when he was ten years old. Similarly Cathy O'Brien, that woman who claims to be a victim of child sex abuse administered by high rank government officials, names Michael Aquino as well. She has a vaginal mutilation she claims was caused by them, and there's actually a video on YouTube of her being filmed and analyzed by a gynecologist. There's a fucking demonic face carved into her clitoris.
that rumor is extremely unlikely. why would they deny the existence of library videos, and then show them to a bunch of random police trainees and trust them not to leak anything?
here's the tumblr post about it
Uwe Boll's Rampage. It's about this weirdo that makes a kevlar suit and goes on the eponymous rampage. The sequel is also good and /x/related. Just about the only thing that Uwe has ever done right.
Guys im going to break into the evidence locker to retrieve the tapes, if I don't post back with results by high noon tomorrow my mission will be considered fruitless and my body lifeless. Wish me luck lads as this might be my boldest stunt of my life.
The only thing I find interesting is Eric. Dylan was a depressive faggot who already made up his mind to die. Basically just did what Eric told him to knowing it would kill him.
Eric on the other hand is a bit different. I don't think he was a psychopath at all. Pretty sure he was just insanely narcissistic. You can tell by how he was more worried about the aftermath of the killings than the killings themselves and how he wanted to make a point of making people feel unsafe. It really makes me wonder why he went through with it. Someone with NPD does not get affected by bullying or anything like that and someone with NPD really doesn't want to die as they value themselves more than anyone.
Probably some higurashi stuff going on. This was one of their million failed attempts from saving their classmates and whoever from some imminent demise. Waiting until being a teenager, just to know how it all goes, and having to repeat it again and again.
it's actually a lot harder to shoot people than it seems with little to no experience. (That's what the professionals usually say)
Although, I bet a lot of those shots were meant just to intimidate, like when people shoot the ceiling during robberies in the movies to warn everyone not to move.
But, let's do some math: 850 rounds divided by 15 victims equals roughly 55 bullets per dead. Extremely high, but not exactly unheard of.
Now, what you have to remember is that another 24 people were injured, but not killed, in their rampage. So, it's safe to assume that a certain ammount of fire was directed towards them, probably the same amount as the others.
That way, we can argue that 850 divided by 39 equals roughly 21 bullets per victim, dead or injured. Still high, but an acceptable number for amateur shooters.
Sure, there are shitloads of variables, like rounds that missed and that were fired as warnings or even accidently, but I think it's fair to say that 850 rounds make sense.
(It's still possible and actually likely that more people were involved, though)
God it's like you never read any of the public info. They were firing randomly mostly. Just kind of shooting walls for entertainment or something. They weren't like some other dudes who were going for kill counts, like Cho or that Lanza fucker.
People underestimate just how armed these guys were. People argue that AWB did nothing to drop shooting victims, but the fact remains that these particular dudes wouldn't have gotten access to that much ammo at their age without tons of ATF and gun store red flags.
Nobody knows their exact mindset. Some people figured that they got kind of sick of the wanton bloodshed. Murdering people didn't turn out to be as fun as it seemed it would be, go figure.
There's a reason they let people go sometimes, and gunned themselves down. Lots of people said they were getting emotional and crying. Not gleefully shooting.
They were fucking edge lord teenagers without fully develop brains, and tons of weapons. There's no fucking conspiracy.
Not even trying to troll right now. Back in like 2012 i was on a forum whilst browsing the deep web this same question came onto a thread and within about an hour someone posted a link with the legit basement tapes. I had no idea they even existed and i saw bits and pieces of it. Them going bowling, the two in the woods shooting their guns and then actually talking about how they are gonna execute all the kids. Dark shit but it's out there just look. The forum i was on back then is dead now but it was called Shadow Central if that helps. Sorry i wasn't much of use but iam interested to see the outcome
If they did it was probably very brief and very little. Witness accounts describe them as having the time of their lives. They were really determined to do this shit and the attack didn't even last that long, so there probably wasn't much room for remorse and empathy.
Again, wrong. They seemed disaffected at first, almost bored. Then, they got emotional before taking their own lives.
They could've killed far more. They had no plan or point to what they were doing. And it showed. I don't think they were sociopaths (worse, in a way), and I think they very much felt immediate and crushing remorse and disgust once it sunk in what they had done, and what the consequences would surely be.
>As a teenager I dreamed of murdering everyone in school
Lol what the fuck is wrong with United States.
We're talking about a manic-depressive who wanted to die and a textbook psychopath who planned this attack for months. If they ever felt remorseful during the attack it was remorse about their shitty bomb-making skills that kept them from killing 10x the amount of people.
I remember in high school a girl doing a book report on a book about Columbine and for the presentations one option was to relate the book to the lyrics of some songs. She made a Powerpoint explaining how Dylan's repressed feelings for Eric and suicidal tendencies led him to do horrible things and related this line by line to "Sugar, We're Goin Down." She got an A.
>Nobody knows their exact mindset. Some people figured that they got kind of sick of the wanton bloodshed. Murdering people didn't turn out to be as fun as it seemed it would be, go figure.
>There's a reason they let people go sometimes, and gunned themselves down. Lots of people said they were getting emotional and crying. Not gleefully shooting.
do you happen to have any links to this information? i'd never heard that before and i'd like to read about it if you can remember where you saw it.
>these particular dudes wouldn't have gotten access to that much ammo at their age without tons of ATF and gun store red flags.
is this true based on the gun laws at the time of the shooting? things have changed since then.
It actually was pretty eerily accurate and not much of a stretch in terms of interpreting the lyrics to be about that. I can't remember her interpretation line by line but I'll try to recreate it. It can't be that hard.
>we will eventually find them,
Speak for yourself, faggot. Fuck off.
>this is 4chan's new serious quest for 2016
No, it is not 4chan's new serious quest. It is your own pathetic attempt at a quest, again, fuck off.
>pathetically killed themselves
>likely were afraid to face Prison time and the consequences
Sure. Right before they eat their own bullets it dawned on them after their euphoric killing spree, they fucked up.
>Am I more than you bargained for yet?
Dylan knows Eric did not "bargain for" Dylan being attracted to him.
>I've been dying to tell you anything you want to hear, 'cause that's just who I am this week
Dylan is willing to do anything for Eric because of this attraction.
>Lie in the grass next to the mausoleum
A mausoleum represents death, of which Dylan had a very romantic yet blasé view as he was suicidal; being close to it is comforting to him.
>I'm just a notch in your bedpost, but you're just a line in a song
Eric probably would see a proposition from Dylan in terms of sex and be repulsed by the thought of having sex with a man, while Dylan's attraction ran deeper and more emotional. The use of "just" in the second line is a way to sarcastically hide deeper feelings - "It's okay you broke my heart, you just mean a whole lot to me. It's fine."
>Drop a heart, break a name
The outcomes if Eric were to accept or reject Dylan romantically. If he were rejected his heart would sink/break; if Eric reciprocated, Eric's identity ("name") would drastically change. Both their "names" would be "broken" worse than they already were at school - in the late 90s homophobia was rampant and the area they lived in was extremely religious.
>We're always sleeping in, and we're sleeping for the wrong team
Dylan is "sleeping for the wrong team" because he is attracted to Eric which obviously is "wrong." Eric is also on the "wrong team" to be attracted to Dylan.
>We're going down, down in an earlier round
These feelings have come from nowhere suddenly. Also can refer to their coming early deaths.
>And Sugar, we're going down swinging
To "go down swinging" is to fight for something which is impossible or nearly so, yet never give up. Dylan is bending over backwards to get Eric to like him romantically even though Eric exhibits homophobic beliefs.
>I'll be your number one with a bullet
Dylan mentally pleading to Eric. Also, "bullet" can be related to the shooting as well as its intended meaning in the song (on old Billboard charts songs which rose quickly had a bullets next to them). Dylan is more willing to do the shooting so Eric will like him - he wants to be Eric's number one an is willing to accomplish it with literal bullets.
>A loaded God complex, cock it and pull it
Both boys wanted to be "Godlike," and the massacre was a way of satisfying it. This is also more gun imagery.
>Is this more than you bargained for yet?
>Oh, don't mind me, I'm watching you two from the closet
>Wishing to be the friction in your jeans
Pretty self-explanatory. Eric had a tiny bit of success getting first dates with girls. Here Dylan wants to be like the girls Eric dates and even to go further and be sexual with him.
>Isn't it messed up how I'm just dying to be him?
Dylan was jealous of Eric to the point he wanted to be him - be better looking, get the dates he wanted, and have a chance romantically with his closest friend.
The rest of the song is just repeated choruses.
all hail the glory of the Klebulge
pretty sure they scheduled it on hitler's birthday because they liked nazi stuff.
>Lots of people said they were getting emotional and crying. Not gleefully shooting
>Murdering people didn't turn out to be as fun as it seemed it would be
this is UNBELIEVABLY inaccurate as far as i can tell. last night i was reading police interviews with the library witnesses who survived and many of them mentioned the shooters laughing throughout the attack and taunting the victims before shooting them. they were literally saying "woohoo!" according to a couple of people. they also called one kid a "nigger" and another kid "fat boy" and kept saying how much school sucked and had fucked them up. right before they left, after shooting everyone one of them said "one more thing" and smashed a chair over the library counter. i don't see any remorse or regret there. i see two guys having a good time doing what they planned to do.
Fucking Christ- I can't believe I never saw this before
>there's actually a video on YouTube of her being filmed and analyzed by a gynecologist. There's a fucking demonic face carved into her clitoris.
Okay I'm going to need some proof. Is this in the 1.5 hr video you linked or nah?
You know, they probably saved a ton of kids untold amounts of cringe. Their massacre was a little while after "The Matrix" was released. Tons of teens saw this movie and saw the trenchcoats and thought they were cool as fuck (I know I did).
After the Columbine shooting, schools across the country came down hard on the "goth" subculture. No trench coats, no combat boots, no huge pants, etc. Arguably the most fedora-tastic of all clothes is the trench coat (at least when worn by pale teenagers (both 40 lbs under weight and 40 lbs overweight. Just imagine how many little faggots would've tried to pull off trench coats if the massacre never happened? Tons! We'd have yearbooks full of stupid looking fags who thought they looked cool as shit in their outfits. They'd look back and die of embarrassment. Luckily Dylan and Eric nipped that god awful trend right in the bud.
I'm the one who drew this >>17314815
My answer is a) I was being an edgy piece of shit b) it's just really funny how that can rile some people up as if at this point it really mattered
I drew other serial killers out of attraction (can't deny I had a crush on Bundy) but these two were purely out of the reaction I'd get from the drawings.
When you're a teenager, the Columbine mythos pulls you in because you're angry at the world, you're an outcast, and these two were THE outcasts who struck back. It's as simple as that. Then you grow the fuck up and you realize how fucking retarded they were to throw away their lives like that, to just bask in the anger and negativity instead of getting over themselves and seeing the big picture. It's the same kind of feeling that murderers like Elliot Rodgers inspire in the people who are like them: here's a guy I can identify with, who's also a martyr, who validates what I feel. Somebody whose personal story I can hijack and mix with my own, so I can also feel as "epic" as I perceive him to be.
Which is why you have all these messed up columbiners being detained all the fucking time for planning to shoot up their school.
There's like a hundred plus reports of people who saw a third shooter. They all described the same guy, can't remember his name. Really tall bloke, skinny with bad acne. Seriously, like over a hundred eyewitness reports saying they saw that exact guy shooting at people. No I don't have a link, just google it.
The fuck is up with that? A few people, sure, it's a fucking shooting spree - people are gonna misremember things. But that many people, describing the exact same guy? The fuck?
Wow, I always liked your art of them. It was really good, no matter who they were. I honestly have sympathy for those boys for being so sick in the head and for Dylan for being so depressed. I actually spoke to you a few times on Deviantart. Did you ever read their journals?
The guns were straw (illegally) purchased and nearly everywhere you can order ammo online to this day. Some anti gun parents of a shooting victim even tried to sue luckygunner after the aurora shooting for liability and got rekt hard, they even have to pay huge damages to luckygunner for bringing such a frivolous lawsuit to court.
You need to be 18 to order the ammo but that wouldn't have stopped them since they had help. So that guy is pretty much wrong.
>I honestly have sympathy for those boys for being so sick in the head and for Dylan for being so depressed
Yeah, I'm always of the opinion that it's a tragedy for EVERYONE involved. The victims, the victims' families, the shooters, the shooters' families. Particularly because the case of teenage shooters in the end is about some very very hurt kids not being able to cope with the reality around them. Of course that there's also an element of responsibility involved, you know? Not every single depressed kid in high school ends up killing their classmates. So even if one is empathetic to them, there's also a point in which you have to draw a line and say "this was completely unnecessary".
> Did you ever read their journals?
I did! I also have Brooks' book and Columbine: A True Crime Story.
how can people glorify these idiots? they were just a pair of autistic DOOM obsessed teens who had friends who had guns and wanted to play the game irl. they had friends, prom dates and more, and look at the people they killed in their little crusade, a teacher, random YOUNGER kids, a special needs student and some church chick. NOT ONE BULLY. they were fucking failures.
Can anyone explain the need to see these tapes? Just a general description? Please? I am curious now....
how big are the clips that were posted here?
i'm too lazy to check
if they're short there's definitely more on the web somewhere.
a few years ago i was on a website that had an index of the videos/some of the videos along with other info and the journal entries and stuff
i can specifically remember some of them being too long for me to watch all the way though
they weren't very exciting, just a few guys hanging out and doing shit
i remember one was them shooting stuff
i think either right before they shot up the school or the day before
they were sitting in front of the camera saying shit
Work for a mid-sized PD down south. Footage was shown during active shooter ALERRT response training purporting to be library footage. In reality, it was from the clip of that movie/tv show "Zero Hour" or "Zero Day." It was a crock- you could hear audio of the shooters in the video, and most HS camera systems are not equipped with audio. The cafeteria footage from Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" proves the cameras at CHS did not have audio capability. The footage you speak of was probably the same crock.
The Basement Tapes were more of a video diary kept by the two. They would showcase their weapon purchases, and film themselves firing them. The rest were probably monologues along the lines of the ones delivered by Seung-Hui Cho prior to VTech.
The reason the videos are kept from the public is simple- to avoid inspiring some autistic copycat-killing. It's not a rocket science, and I doubt the tapes hide some extravagant cover up.
As far as who has custody of the tapes, I will say this: If they way old crime scene evidence/photographs are handled is reflected in any way like the department that employs me, they probably aren't being held solely by some super secret oppressive government agency. I've seen VHS crime scene tapes of a very famous mass shooting that occurred here a few decades ago, just sitting unlocked and unsecured in the desk drawer at an "In-Service" training room. Hell- I wouldn't even say this has to apply just to "old" photos/video. Bodycam, Dashcam, and scene photos are shared on USB drives like candy.
>TL;DR stop wasting time on frivolous shit
They can however share some very similar traits. Obviously not in every Psychopath vs Narcissistic pair, but yeah, undeniably some similarities here and there. Comorbidity is also a thing.
Just, the more you know, and I think this is perhaps what the other anon was essentially trying to convey.
So there IS something in these tapes.... Interesting...
Eric threw a pipebomb onto the roof around the start of the shooting which could've been mistaken for a gunshot but I think there was also a guy on the roof who worked at the school who stayed up there when the shooting started.
Uh huh.... That's why they said "let's start knifing people." The thrill of spree shooting wore off and they realized it wasn't giving them the release they wanted. They wanted others to suffer more than guns a flash of fear before they shot.
not really. i gave a specific reason for why i disagreed with you. it's just a matter of opinion because there's no clinical diagnosis of "severely mentally ill." the fact remains that they were not psychotic and were in full control of their decision making up until the end. they didn't think they were killing demons or monsters. they knew they were murdering their teenage peers.
Why would the government ban the tapes from being seen? What could be in those tapes that would require the government to ban them? Has the government ever release a statement as to why they were banned?
this has some info on the tapes along with the transcripts that have been released.
to answer your question
>In 2006, the courts allowed Jefferson County Sheriff Ted Mink (who took the job after John Stone) the choice to release the Basement Tapes to the public but he decided not to, on the basis that he feared that other troubled youths would see the tapes as a "call to arms" and a "how-to instruction video" to attack their own schools.
There's still school shootings without the tapes , however, people would probably worship the tapes since there's a ton of edgy people who already adore the shooters. Would have been the Mein Kampf of edgy teens.
I don't remember desu, I was in a really bad place and needed to get shit done IRL.
Waaat? I didn't know that! Thanks for telling me, I'll see if I can check that out.
>and look at how that worked
I think you're mixing up footage of the film "Zero Day" with actual "library footage". Many mistake the "Zero Day" footage as real Columbine footage because it looks incredibly real. The timestamp should reveal that it's not though.
Thing is though, many wrongly believe it was Eric who was the "leader" and driving force behind the plan to shoot up Columbine and that he got Dylan wound up into it. Even that idiot Dave Cullen spreads this misconception, which is fucked up, since he wrote a book about it and has claimed to have researched the case extensively, but if he would truly have read Dylan's diary, he would be aware that it was Dylan's original idea and he already planned to do it with someone else before Eric even came into the picture:
He already mentioned 2 years before "NBK" he's gonna get a gun and shoot up the school. One year before the massacre he mentions it again and actually mentions to do it with a girl. A while later he mentions it another time and this time mentions Eric, but sounds like he was still indecisive about doing it with him.
Out of Dylan's diary:
- 11-3-97 - “Will get me a gun, I’ll go on my killing spree against anyone I want”
- 2-2-98 - “It will be NBK for us. My happiness. Her Happiness. Nothing else matters.”
- Undated but after 2-2-98 - “Maybe going NBK (gawd) with Eric is the way to break free.”
What you say about NPD is interesting, because I have figured for a while that Eric had BPD. Most BPD people have NPD traits. His behaviour though to kinda emotionally blackmail ex-gf's to get them back by threatening with suicide etc, is more BPD thing. NPD's usually just walk away when they're done with "supply" and have it easy to just hook up with the next one. There were some other traits and behaviour patterns he showed that made me think of BPD (I have quite some friends with that disorder and I immediately saw "red flags" when I researched him), but sadly I can't remember them now cuz it's so long ago i dealt with that case.
They didn't strike back at shit. Their master plan to take revenge shit the bed and they just started shooting whoever they saw. That's the equivalent of the US dropping the Atomic Bomb on Norway in retaliation for Pearl Harbor.
No, the person you're describing has come to be known as the Blue Jeans Bomber and has never been identified. There are roughly 6 or 7 eyewitness accounts of this person, which are all shockingly similar. They all say he was wearing blue jeans and was lobbing bombs onto the roof sidearm. Eric and Dylan were both in black pants.
This is just one of the purported multiple shooters that weren't Klebold/Harris. There's also the middle aged guy with the frosted hair and the acne guy.
hold up, i just checked and i am wrong
this guy is right, the library footage is from zero day
for the record though, security cameras often dont display the right dates or times because a lot of people are lazy and don't bother to fix it
The acne guy is Robert Perry, pic related. Here's a reddit thread with links to the evidence that was released.
Apparently over 100 witnesses described a third shooter, 40 of which named the third shooter as Robert Perry. That's a lot of people saying the same thing.
I didn't click the links, I just took the reddit OP at his word.
Couldn't tell ya, man. I'm not even a conspiracy guy, so I can't even really argue my position. But 100+ people saying at least three shooters, and 40 people naming the same guy? That just seems off to me.
well i read that so i've been going through the witness accounts collected by the police directly myself. after 200 pages (probably 20 or so witnesses), i've only really seen accounts from the library so far and no one mentioned any more than 2 shooters. i'm coming up on accounts from people who were outside when the shooting started though, so maybe that's where the sightings were.
if you remember, the shooting started outside so there is a chance that someone else meant to be involved but they chickened out (or wised up) right before at at the beginning. this would explain why he wasn't on the school video and would explain why they are reluctant to release the basement tapes. though that's a bit farfetched because the families supposedly saw the complete tapes and i figure that if there was someone who could have warned people ahead of time, they would insist he be held responsible somehow (like the guy who sold them a gun without even knowing their plans).
i'll keep a record of any mentions of shooters not matching dylan and eric's descriptions and try to let people know whether this "100 witnesses saw a third shooter" thing is true or not. of course, this stuff could have been redacted but so far i've seen very little redacting.
if anyone wants to read witness accounts themselves, you can look here:
there is a TON of info to wade through.
Not Basement Tapes related but has anyone ever heard the story about the girl who had feelings for one of the shooters and decided to tell him if she got out alive (not knowing who the shooters were), then used the Buckley's Angel episode of King Of The Hill to grieve? She wrote to someone who worked on the show about it and I remember them or someone else who worked on it telling this story at a Comic Con-type event.
>I know we’re gonna have followers because
we’re so fucking God-like.
God these kids were so edgy. I knew plenty like them back in high school and was friends, but none of them were homicidal maniacs, thank God.
Im kinda new into this topic,can someone explain me what are those conspiracy theories about columbine? more people involved? why? and how these guys were related to the other shooters? (i mean do they "allowed" them?)
p.s.; sorry for my bad english
The documentary posted in this thread gives a rundown of the evidence that will link to Perry as a shooter.
There's also other accounts that clearly indicate they're talking about Klebold or Harris that people sometimes take as evidence that there were other shooters. Like for example they mention a "chiseled face" shooter and the eye witness draws a portrait that clearly looks like Harris - clearly a case of distorted memory brought on by shock. But the ones mentioning Perry are very specific.
could you point out which post has the doc you mean?
and yeah, eyewitness accounts aren't reliable and not only because of bad memory. i was a victim of a crime as a child and the perpetrator was this guy who turned out to be italian but i identified him as "hispanic looking." i meant a light skinned, spaniard type hispanic (which would resemble an italian guy) but i think they assumed i meant a mexican/central american looking guy because the mug shots they had me look at were all dark skinned guys. anyway they eventually caught him and i IDed him positively but it just shows that not everyone can accurately describe in the moment what they were actually perceiving, especially after a traumatic incident like columbine. i've already seen one or two people clarify/adjust their earlier statements about the shooters in my read through.
Robert Perry was definitley involved, just not in the library. Once that happened it was only Harris and Klebold. Tons of people mention multiple shooters, and sure that can be attributed to shock and not thinking clearly, but when you have a lot of people specifically mentioning Robert Perry, it becomes shady.
I think Perry was involved, paralyzed that one girl who's mom killed herself in a pawn shop (her friend even said it wasn't Harris or Klebold) and then left for whatever reason. You can even hear on a police scanner that they got another shooter. Whether that relates to Perry or not I don't know, still very weird. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx_iLIlqUVc&feature=youtu.be&t=177
Here's two quotes that are the biggest piece of evidence showing he was involved.
Anne Marie Hochalter, gunshot victim outside the cafeteria -
"Advised that Harris/Klebold did not shoot her. .... Has ID on shooters."
Katelyn Sue Place - "It was (Redacted). I'm almost positive of it. I remember looking him dead in the eye. He was in my debate class..... . ...Dylan kind of looked like Robert, but Dylan doesn't have the long face. Robert's teeth are messed up and he was smiling and I saw his teeth then. Kate said that she has since seen pictures of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, and she said, "It's not one of them."(Referring to the person she saw shooting out on the outside commons.) "She remembers him shooting Ann Marie(Hochalter). .... Robert was just randomly shooting. ...Robert was still shooting. ....Kate said that Robert shot Ann Marie before he smiled at Kate. ....She looked and saw Jason(Autenrieth) trying to help Ann Marie, dragging her away from Robert, to the side."
So why cover it up? The police already looked awful by waiting so long to go in, leading to possibly more deaths than there should've been. Imagine if they let if be known that they let another shooter get away? Chris Morris could've been the person talked about in that clip, but who knows.
Regardless of that, you can't claim that eyewitness testimony is "inaccurate" in some cases. Especially when you've got multiple people pointing out to the same guy and even naming him by name.
Also, see >>17332513
>Regardless of that, you can't claim that eyewitness testimony is "inaccurate" in some cases.
well it IS inaccurate in some cases. law enforcement and criminal justice people know that. that's not up for debate.
and you pointed out how things can be misconstrued, and that it even happened at columbine (if this was you)
>There's also other accounts that clearly indicate they're talking about Klebold or Harris that people sometimes take as evidence that there were other shooters. Like for example they mention a "chiseled face" shooter and the eye witness draws a portrait that clearly looks like Harris - clearly a case of distorted memory brought on by shock
but it doesn't matter because my sharing of a personal anecdote was the truth of my own experience. i didn't say it had anything to do with the columbine and i haven't formed an opinion yet as to whether the witnesses were (not) mistaken or whether i believe perry was involved. i never really read much about columbine until recently and i just learned about perry from this thread so i need more info before i come to a conclusion.
still looking directly at witness statements.
thank for you the link to the doc though.
now here are my questions before i go watch the doc.
do you think perry WAS on the basement tapes?
is he in the other video productions eric and dylan made?
how close was he to the shooters and how do you know this?
where do those two quotes come from, police accounts? and did those people ever change their story? why did the first mention of the name get redacted but the rest says robert?
so far, almost any mention of possible shooters' names other than dylan/eric were redacted, so how did people decide which witness statements referred to perry specifically?
and this is more of a matter of opinion since the police don't even acknowledge he's guilty, but why do you think perry would not do any shooting inside the school? and when do you think he left?
No, as far as I know Perry wasn't in the basement tapes. I do think this was a Harris and Klebold thing that Perry tagged along on at first and left before the the library. As far as I know he's an associate of them. Yes they both came from police accounts and as far as I can tell they did not change their statement. As for why one is redacted? The entire document is sloppy like that. It's how most people got the name we did in the first place.
Perry's description is repeated multiple times throughout, and as I posted, sometimes along with his name left in. More of a theory based on what I know. I'm not one of those people that think it's a government conspiracy, I just think he tagged along at first. As to why he didn't go inside the school? Maybe he decided that he didn't want to go through this anymore. I don't know man, I'm not him, could be anything. He clearly left before the library shootings, there was no way he was there. Again just my theory based on what I've read and watched.
Not related to the tapes but this is a fantastic gallery including various gifs and images about the event, fucking heartbreaking reading about the victims and their families, also the kid in the transcript who calls out for his mother before being shot dead, Christ I hate these two cunts even more now, evil little cunts
No problem, never really been interested in depth in this but reading this thread has changed the, just bought the columbine book as well by Dave Cullen, reading it now, will post anything interesting I find from it.
Yeah I had to share it as it's genuinely heartbreaking, that poor kid calling for his mum. You see their faces now and they look like fucking cunts you just want to punch over and over, fucking losers, can't fight so they use weapons, cunts
>Daniel's family was not made aware of his death by officials and instead found out through news reports. His body was left outside the school for two days before paramedics were allowed to move it.
Interesting how you diagnose peeps you never met. Eric never got a proper diagnose and as far as I remember Dylan neither. There is no proper diagnose released cuz they never got one. So all you say are just speculations.
And btw, you should check out this post >>17330610 and update your knowledge about that case, regarding the "textbook psychopath who planned this attack for months", you will be surprised, and your post debunked.
Plus Eric was definitely not a psychopath. He was capable of empathy and in the basement tapes he was even crying about what he's gonna do and that instead he can't see his friends in his old hometown again and be there instead. He even pointed out sometime that he wished he was a psychopath and had no feelings and no remorse.
>They probably even scheduled it on a day that wouldn't affect the people that they liked
Bullshit. They originally planned to do the shooting on April 19th, but had to postpone it to the next day because the ammo was late. So if the ammo would've been late another day, they would've randomly postponed it for another fucking day.
>pretty sure they scheduled it on hitler's birthday because they liked nazi stuff.
No, because: >>17334302
>Bullshit. They originally planned to do the shooting on April 19th, but had to postpone it to the next day because the ammo was late. So if the ammo would've been late another day, they would've randomly postponed it for another fucking day.
Yeah, I remember that. I think all these eyewitnesses said he wore jeans and a white shirt or so, and had blond or red-ish hair? It's truly weird that so many different people, who had nothing to do with each other and were at different spots would describe the same guy. There are quite some things that never really added up. One of them being, if you look at one of the avidence photos of Eric and Dylan laying dead in the library, and you look really close, you will see that Dylan is laying with his right knee over his Tec-9 and holds it in his right hand. It says in the examination report that he shot himself in the left temple with that exact gun. Huh!? I know they were both moved because the SWAT thought they might be boobytrapped and checked them. The photo was taken afterwards. But since Dylan has the Tec-9 in a tight grip, it's more than just likely that he held it in his right hand while he shot himself. I always found this very puzzling and it didn't make sense to me. I wonder about that since years.
None of the legally released videos were just them sitting talking to a camera nor were they too long for a person to reasonably sit through. The only thing that person described which sounds like any publicly available video was the one of them shooting things, which was called Rampart Range and is widely available on YouTube.
Spot on there m8
Glad I could make that clear, I saw many confusing that film's footage as real here in this thread. I can approve it 100% though because the filmmaker of Zero Day is a friend of mine. The company that takes care of the new film about Rachel Scott even fucked it up and used his footage as real Columbine library footage, lol. He demanded them to remove it.
>for the record though, security cameras often dont display the right dates or times because a lot of people are lazy and don't bother to fix it
Interesting, didn't know that. The timestamp in the Columbine cafeteria footage is an exception and correct though, luckily.
I advice you to not use Cullen's book as a source. His book is super inaccurate and spreads lots of misconceptions. He got so many things so wrong and clearly hasn't studied all evidence and reports well. He's pretty much a edgy fag drooling over Dylan. One good example is this vid. Also read the comment below that pretty much points out one of the many things he fucked up in his book:
I rather advice you to get "No Easy Answers" by Brooks Brown. He was friends with the shooters and got told to leave by one of them shortly before the shooting began. His book is the most accurate you can find out there on this subject.
Not true. They were removed in the afternoon of the next day (21st). Especially outside they had to do so because a sudden blizzard was happening.
Well, the cafeteria footage would be too long to sit through (over 3 and a half hours), that one was legally released.
Thing is one can't really know what footage that person saw and refers to and how the memory is accurate, because many confuse Zero Day footage as real Columbine footage and spread misconception about that stuff being from Eric and Dylan, cuz in said film's footage the guys also sit around and talk, plus there's a homevideo of Eric and Dylan indeed talking to the camera. It could be that the person saw random snippets of all these things, was kinda new to the subject and has mistaken it as the basement tapes.
One can have 25 pipebombs in the closet and not be a psychopath but have a severe personality disorder. Quite some people here should read up the actual meaning of "psychopath" when it comes to psychiatry and mental health. The word "psychopath" is easily thrown around by way too many amateurs, laymens and hobby-"psychologists".