>>17313425 They aren't my favorite. While they do tend to promote a limited social ethicism, the simple fact is that they have too much in common with Gnosticism, which is to say a loathing of both self and the material. It's escapism, ultimately. I prefer Taoism.
>>17313479 believe it or not some of the best I've heard come from Sam Harris (the Athiest Neuroscientist guy). Look for his Waking Up podcasts. They are especially good for people just getting into meditation from a secular viewpoint
>>17313623 You can indeed trigger psychosis with mindfulness vipasana meditation, but only if you're genetically vulnerable to schizophrenia and other things like weed or sleep deprivation and so on can trigger it too.
>>17313640 >trigger psychosis Psychosis is built, not triggered. When someone that's actually depressed goes to meditate, their mind will take them to ever darker places. Most people, when they meditate, get over trite emotional baggage. Most people aren't actually clinically depressed.
Same basic principle here; if meditation usually caused psychosis, it wouldn't have become an age-old art handed down generation after generation for thousands of years.
>>17313643 Of course meditation doesn't cause psychosis, but psychosis can be triggered through mindfulness meditation. The reason why many buddhists or meditation schools don't allow you in if you have a history of mental illness, for this very reason. There are also scientific studies showing this.
But as said, only in under 1% of the population who are vulnerable to psychosis, and other things like weed, sleep deprivation, or stress, can trigger it too.
Also psychosis can feel very much like enlightenment, imho, having triggered a psychosis through mindfulness once, and going on a months long trip fueled with hyper religious experiences, I can't help but to feel like many religions are at least partially, founded on such experiences.. but meh don't take my word for it, I'm diagnosed with insanity after all. But believe me when I say that psychosis can be triggered through meditation, I know it from first hand experience.
>>17313692 >psychosis can be triggered through mindfulness meditation No, it can't, because psychosis isn't a dwarf; it doesn't just spring up out of holes in the ground. Psychosis is designed, built and engineered. It doesn't just fucking happen when someone sits down to think about and appreciate the present moment.
If you were to bother to think about it, I'm sure you could pick out and of a thousand things the led up to your psychosis OTHER than the thing that triggered it. An EXISTING psychosis can be triggered by *any number of things,* not just meditation. But it doesn't suddenly get triggered into existence where before it just wasn't there at all. You had a condition and you had a thing that set off your condition, but it wasn't the trigger that caused the psychosis. There's still probably a ton of things messed up in your head that you don't have any reference frame to understand as weird, delusional, or psychotic. You're probably emotionally attached to half of them and wouldn't give them up if you were paid a billion dollars to do so.
But more than anything: Yes! You're right! Religion *IS* founded on this psychosomatic emotional bullshit that everyone plagues themselves with. So if we can avoid mudslinging on one of the few practices that can actually HELP people overcome their lifelong emotional baggage, that'd be great.
And just to be clear: I DO mean to demean your condition. I'm not going to pretend it's any saner than half the other fucktared fantasies people believe in. You SHOULD be ready to hear this shit and you SHOULD be willing to deal with your lot in life, even if it's fucking painful. Sorry if it's insensitive, but if I don't treat you like someone who can fix themselves, I can't expect that anybody else will.
And YES you need "fixing." Just not the bullshit fake kind. I'm talking about the kind that only YOU can do because only YOU have ever lived your life. Hope that's not to cryptic or vague or anything. I *INTEND* well for you.
>>17313881 Neither. It works for some people and it doesn't work for others. The bare basic fact is that you have to be wiling to face yourself and your true emotions before you can ever heal a mental condition.
Jainism is a trip. They have an enormous scale of time and some of their beliefs, thousands of years ago almost hinted at some ancient knowledge of advanced science. They had well-developed concepts of the atom long before the Greeks and evolution thousands of years before Darwin. Moreover their concept of evolution seemed to encompass a wider scope of time and space by taking reincarnation into account. Also, this part of the Kalpa Sutra makes Mahavira sound like he was an alien:
>In that period, in that age lived the Venerable Ascetic Mahâvîra, the five (most important moments of whose life happened) when the moon was in conjunction with the asterism Uttaraphalgunî; to wit, in Uttaraphalgunî he descended (from heaven), and having descended (thence), he entered the womb (of Devânandâ); in Uttaraphalgunî he was removed from the womb (of Devânandâ) to the womb (of Trisalâ); in Uttaraphalgunî he was born
No. I've experienced psychosis and psychedelics and the two are substantially very different. Somewhat related... but very different.
The reason the term psychedelic was thought of in the first place was to move away from the terms like "psychotomimetic" that were used at the time, since after some research, psychologist found that the two states were different and wanted to avoid linking connotations of genuine psychosis to the psychedelic state.
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