I'm getting ready to go through my first degree as a Freemason. Anybody have some idea as to what happens?
Yeah you sell your fucking eternal light for material objects and "power" that you could have anyways if you were on the light side.
Dont go through with it, tell them you dont want part in it, if they threaten you spit in their face, if they send people to your house greet them with a bat.
These fuckers respect one thing, and that is FEAR.
If you are truthful then they are most likely monitoring your PC activities.
So I want to give them a little message:
YOU WILL NOT GET HIS SOUL. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT CHANGE TO YOUR MASTER PLAN???
Hahahahahah!! You faggots are so afraid right now.
Maybe I should say this. I know each lodge is different in the way the the ritual works. Some lodges are more "oldskool" than others. My boss is a mason and a few people from work are as well. They keep saying how lucky I'm not in the nearby city. I guess they like to place you in a dark room and make animal sounds.
I just want an idea of the basics when going in
I repeat, you do not want to go through with this.
You want to walk away from this? They are trying to hide the possibilites of life from you, your TRUE power.
Whatever you think you gain by doing this is not real, these people will discard you like a condom.
Are you a coward? Are you A FUCKING SERVANT?
GODD FUCKING DAMMIT DONT FALL FOR THEIR TRICKS! YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL AND YOU ARE HERE TO BRING MORE BEAUTY TO THE WORLD.
BUILD DO NOT DESTROY.
You have the flame to forge your destiny, dont let them take it away.
I'm hoping to not get brainwashed with the light of the "one" true god of creation. I just want to know what it is they know
>tfw my grandfather was a high up mason
>wanted me to join
>had no interest in it
>think nothing of it until college
>suddenly receive scholarship for $5,000 from local lodge without applying of knowing it even existed
>not going to pass on free college cash
Am I fucked /x/? Did taking the money mean something? or were they just being nice because of my gramps?
Without spoiling too much, you're led around the room listening to various charges and lectures. But you probably won't take them all in the first time, so be sure to study the ceremony book if they give you one, or go to 1sts elsewhere, because it's the establishing point regarding teaching you how to learn in Masonry and society.
They wanted me to come watch another candidate get his EA after I received mine. Would have been nice to get a pamphlet.
I did not however attend it. I left Freemasonry nearly immediately. Nothing bad happened. But the idea of immersing yourself in practically a new culture(ancient culture) is pretty overwhelming.
I was excited to join, but the day after my initiation, I felt dread and anxiety I couldn't shake. It lasted a few days to the point of not being able to focus, so I had to leave. The whole idea of not being an individual anymore, but being a Freemasonry didn't feel right with me. Similar effects of PTSD.
Like I said, it wasn't bad at all. What got to me was the commitment. I didn't realize how much of a lone soul I was.
I'm still interested in it.
>They wanted me to come watch another candidate get his EA after I received mine.
Yea, it's pretty well known that you'll miss 90% of it on the first go, and it'll only come back and sink in seeing it later.
>Would have been nice to get a pamphlet.
They didn't give you anything? That's pretty slack.
>The whole idea of not being an individual anymore
You'll go in, a bunch of guys will be dressed in their costumes. You'll probably have to wear one, too. It'll be about fifteen minutes of nonsense talk, and then you'll be apart of it, and you'll probably end up going to a bar or some shit. Because it's just a bunch of fucking guys in costumes.
More the latter. You do have to pay dues, though. Gotta keep the lights on somehow.
There is a bit of the former, though, since other degrees (orders/rites) are separate and elective. But there is nothing higher or more important than the 3rd anyway.
15 minutes? Damn nigga, I want to join that quick arse lodge.
>or were they just being nice because of my gramps?
Oh give it up already.
The first three degrees are each pertaining to the mind, body and spirit and mastering one's control over them.
Freemasonry itself is a working system for enlightenment. Presented in tales of allegory and using the language of symbols.
From what I've heard, they make you turn against christ, like take an oath and literally talk shit about him and reject him from your life and then they have this book that they'd make you worship andake some commitment.
closer and closer to the demi-urges will you go
I consider them unclean, especially on the inside. They look down on the poor and gentile. They never give, and are not considerate. The lie, cheat, and take way more than their share, leaving none for others.
I used to watch some of my friend's dad's meeting through a webcam they constantly left on on a laptop they had in the corner (for some reason). It's very faggy and weird. They take shots of wine. Altogether it was really boring and I couldn't watch for more than ten minutes. The idea of invading their homotastic secret club meetings was pretty much the only reason I did anyway, and that thrill wore off quick.
It's a personal thing. I just didn't like the idea of being a Freemason afterward. I think I overhyped myself with the idea of being a Mason rather than wanting to be one.
I did try talking to the other brothers about it, but unfortunately they couldn't relate. It really sucked.
Maybe it was the fear of the unknown.
Fair enough. I was just very confused by why you thought it meant not being an individual anymore.
It doesn't forbid from taking promises or obligations. But source on said reassurance being a lie?
thats a lie right there. I forgot which book it was but a guy was telling his life of the free masons, same reason op wants too join because an old realtive. They were nice in the begining but then it got horrifying he talks about the rituals and how they treated people. During the ritual of mastery he had too say " christ was an apostle" so when he said that he became very pale. So after that he ran away noone found him again.
You must answer you want the light.
2nd degree, you want more of the light.
3rd, same thing.
If you make it, the light which you will be shown is lucifer and all you have learned lead up to you "realizing" you can become a god. (first lie ever told)
You can reproduce = you're a god.
Ask for the real truth, you will not find it in freemasonry.
>Jesus Christ is THE only truth.
Sounds totally legit.
Light is only mentioned in the 1st, for reasons which become obvious.
>If you make it, the light which you will be shown is lucifer and all you have learned lead up to you "realizing" you can become a god.
Where do you people even get this shite?
I find it amusing how you know nothing of the thing you claim to be in. You ask for the light way beyond the first degree. Freemasons worship lucifer, by the 33rd degree you've started wearing a fez and you're now a moslem shriner.
Go learn something.
freemasons have been infiltrated a long long time ago by people giving wrong morals and views in the ranks. Its time to move on and forget that path because you will only get closer to darkness not light
Nothing, beyond the 3rd degree gets insteresting. As far as I know the first year you may only listen the second year you have some other rights and the third year(3rd degree) you can finally speak the way they do. What happens beyond 3, I have no idea, they didn't talk that much about it. Most of them were 3rd degree. I'm thinking of joining up in the future when I have 300 dollars a year to spend.
I find it amusing that you think you know anything about Masonry having only learned from tinfoil wearing liars who are easily disproven.
>You ask for the light way beyond the first degree.
There are a couple of degrees/grades where a similar statement is made, but vastly different context. Can you name them?
>Freemasons worship lucifer
Only the Christian ones. But sectarian matters are never discussed in lodge.
>by the 33rd degree you've started wearing a fez and you're now a moslem shriner.
Those are separate things. Shrine no longer requires 32nd or Templar membership as a precursor.
>$300 dollars a year
Blimey, that's expensive. Reasonable, but most of the old codgers bitch about things being reasonably priced above $100/yr.
master mason, here.
don't expect anything. most of those who are initiated think that it's an elite organization with money being thrown around.
in reality, you're lucky to have found a lodge that hasn't closed. the lodge i was initiated, passed, and raised in shuttered over a decade ago.
I studied to become a freemason. 3.5 years of my own studying before I even considered visiting a lodge. God took me out of that nonsense, Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
I got a friend out of prison just by saying "Your honour, I'm looking for a square deal, I wander from the east to the west and from the west to the east."
I know all the little tricks you people have and the things beyond you. Freemasonry is the slowest, most tedious and boring way to finding out lucifer is the light you keep asking about. zzz
>I studied to become a freemason. 3.5 years of my own studying
On ATS, Freemasonry Watch, or through David Icke?
>I got a friend out of prison
Oh, I'm sure you did. Man, you should have represented all those other Masons who were convicted of crimes and tried to use their connexions to get out of it only to be slammed by judges who were also members.
>Freemasonry is the slowest, most tedious and boring way to finding out lucifer is the light you keep asking about.
Probably because that doesn't happen.
Kek, you don't believe me. The judge came to the friends house, said the cocaine was there because they had friends over and thus nothing happened. The judge himself, came, over. Read it carefully, kiddo.
Meh, now you're just boring. I'm out.
Ah, Infowars then.
>Kek, you don't believe me.
I don't, because that same judge came over to my house for brunch and told me, "Damn nigga, that namefag ain't never tried to pull that shit."
Okie dokie. Try using facts and logic next time
i have god above my head and my feet on the ground, and ive been harassed and spied upon by freemasons who have lied and decieved. i can see your actions.
unless you have a friend who is a mason, who you really trust will be honest with you, dont join. they abuse their members far more than those around them.
make sure several people know if you are being harassed. you dont need to explain why you are being harassed or how you know, but they wait until the first person you turn to is controlled by them.
The Freemasons you can join are not the Freemasons you think you've heard about.
The ones with all the occult knowledge are very far up the ladder. Only people of affluence are welcome in those positions.
The rest of the Freemasons work like any other organization. They sell you membership to their secret club, but the membership is only superficial. It's there to take your money while you attend meetings and meet other members to give you the illusion that you're actually getting what you paid for. These groups are rich because of the members at the bottom who are willing to shell out money to be a part of something.
Even people you may meet who tell you that they're far up the masonic ladder probably don't know anything either.
>oooooooo the Shriners built a hospital... Spooooooooky! They're going to take over the world
Lol you RP faggots think that freemasonry is some ancient cult. OP all they care about is learning how to be a gentleman and how to best serve God (or whatever it is you believe in)
freemasonry isnt evil, you fucking idiots, just another secret society.
this is a 33rd degree mason and he knows his shit, you christians think you know the occult. keep watching youtube conspiraces about the ILLUMINATI AND FREEMASONRY, regardless of the knowledge that the VATICAN still owns us, along with unseen forces.
Worshiping Bahomet is a conflict with most people's religious beliefs.
You're just too low on the food chain to know what's really going on.
Again, you're like a few degrees in; you have no idea what the 33 degrees and higher are doing.
it's basically a religion with only a few people get to go to the service. except they clearly state it's not a religion so whatever.
they're about charity and watching eachother's backs mostly
but like any cult like thing they won't be happy unless it looks like you're busting a nut for them
>Worshiping Bahomet is a conflict with most people's religious beliefs.
Good thing we don't do that. And I'm guessing you mean the evil Baphomet thing made recently, and not the misspelling of Baptist/Abu fihama.
>Again, you're like a few degrees in; you have no idea what the 33 degrees and higher are doing.
Then what degree are you, where you know what they are doing, but still don't seem to understand what the degrees are?
Oh I love them. Conspiracies about lodge stuff are usually hilarious, and I enjoy trying to see where they came from. WCY used to (still does?) have a segment on them which was interesting. Most relate to Taxil or Morgan, though.
Lessons, not ranks. As such, every member (and non-member) is able to know everything about the organisation, but the degrees just give them study points.
More like school lessons. But they encourage you go study outside of them, providing just an anchoring point.
Like, the 2nd degree is all about a classical education, but you're required to look elsewhere to really learn about the Trivium and Quadrivium, and how to apply it to your life. Then the HRA is about your relationship with your beliefs, encouraging you to analyse the individual aspects of them. Plus a bit of lexiology.
And so on.
Religion is not of God.
What you think is science is pseudo-science.
God created science.
I love science, real science. The stuff you peddle today as science any 10 year old that knows the Bible and has God as his or her guide can destroy.
This world hates truth.
Evolution has evidence to support it. Science follows the evidence where it leads, it's no one's fault that the universe is such that there doesn't need to be a creator.
I'm sure you know what you're talking about. They hate the truth that Jesus never existed, by your logic, because that's the least taken serious subject in academics.
God bless you, I hope you find the truth man.
The Bible way to Heaven. Salvation is simple.
The breath of Life: Setting the captives free
There are some.
Pride is the only sin God resists. Be careful not to harden your heart, you have clearly seen my posts before and yet you do not research, nor pray to God. That will be your destruction.
"Rambling "christian" bullshit about how everything in world culture points to the most childish of sky daddies being the real one"
*out-of-context bible quote that I think proves my point here*
Because it's the truth, they can't stand it.
>And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Way to prove my point.
>And thus he posteth thine divine scripture abruptly and henceforth without reason, for he who does not know shall be damned by his actions against his Lord.
Btw, you're not Christian. You're a cultist of Yahweh.
Well there's the gospels of the bible, but since you hate the bible and don't believe in it you can check out this site
It probably won't satisy you with your anti-Christ bias though. Also there may be better websites on the subject, I'm not sure
If you truly cared about the truth you would look for it yourself
>NK's Lil Kim is real
>Lil Kim has propaganda about him doing great feats, miracles and other outlandish things
>Lil Kim is a deity
Jesus probably was real. The stories attached to him however.....
>/x still believes that a boring gentleman's club deals with souls and or runs the world or plots to do it
All the masonic materials have been published you can read what they are doing, also the lodges got websites where you can apply and check the members...
They just make you tell them you want the light. In the higher degrees the occult knowledge is greater and it is revealed that the source of the "light" is satan, who they believe to be the light bearer. You can read some of Albert Pike's writings if you want to get an idea. I went up the same pyramid of "knowledge" as you are embarking on, but when I got to the top I chose God. Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven and all other paths lead to destruction. I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH THE LIFE that's what He said and it's all I can do to help you.
He knows the truth, as do I
Once you learn that Lucifer is the father of all lies it is easy to spot his lies. His web is weaved all around you but you don't see it because at the moment it's all you know. I hope you can see through it one day
>even a freemason thinks you're a retard
Ok...why does that have any significance?
You don't sound too well read yourself boyyo. And the truth has nothing to do with cramming different ideas into your head and spouting fancy words. There is one truth
"God is a myth."
You call me stupid, unread etc. I'm not here to write fancy words etc. I am here to tell the truth, end of story. I could easily show off with fancy words, insults that you'd have a hard time realising were insults etc.
Want to know what the infinite God, with infinite wisdom and infinite creativity and infinite knowledge says about you?
The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.
lucifer is the father of lies. God, who has infinite knowledge, said so. Stop being foolish.
Which God are you talking about?
Anyway, I believe you're trolling here, so... NEXT.
"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Okay, why are you showing me this out of context quote? This is Jesus talking to people who don't love him.
I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just asking why you showed it to me
If you say so m8
Yes, but Lucifer is Satan. Lucifer is the chief adversary of God and humanity. Satan=adversary. Lucifer=Satan. Who else would it be? Who else led a revolt against God and his angels?
>Lucifer is Jesus
>Lucifer is GOD
sure thing kiddo.
Any found footage film recommendation?
i've already seen
megan is missing
as above so below
the one that shows some murderers commiting sadistic crimes, blood everywhere, and sex.
Delivery, the beast within
Noroi desu senpai
The point is I'm not translating Lucifer to mean Satan.
What I am saying is satan means adversary.
Lucifer is God's adversary
That is why Lucifer is called Satan
You with me?
I don't know what you're trying to say. You're either a few steps behind or trying to derail this
And the point I'm trying to make is that Lucifer isn't a name of a particular thing. Put aside the absurdity of God having an adversary, you're using the Latin phrase of light-bearer/morning-star incorrectly, and ignoring it's other usages in the Bible, such as when referring to Christ.
Do you have anything supporting your claim beyond a 17th century mistranslation in the KJV?
I have my interpretation, you have yours. Lucifer's fall is described in the bible. He was a beautiful bright star of God's creation and he fucked it all up because of his pride. Jesus Christ comes along in the book of Revelation to replace Lucifer as the king of this earth, but he is brighter and more beautiful than Lucifer could be because he is the son of God
Knowing nothing about freemasonry but a shitload about evolutionary biology and law, this is what I believe, this guy. It would be basically impossible for the idea of Freemasonry to be untouched by extensive monetization simply because it's something everyone knows about and is at least vaguely interested in. I've yet to see one thing in this world no matter how mysterious or sacred that isn't being chopped up and sold in plastic bags.
I have a question:
I live in the UK. After looking at my local lodge's website they say the minimum age requirement is 21, yet in the UK there is nothing legally that requires you to be 21 (drinking, buying alcohol etc is all just 18+).
I checked out an American lodge's website, and there you only have to be 18, yet in America there are things like drinking alcohol that require you to be 21. What gives?
Which is honestly alright. If it takes someone a yearly fee to feel like they are apart of something, and the something they joined is actually doing some good, (giving them work drive, a reason to livee, feeling more apart of their community and wanting to help out) then I don't see anything wrong with it. Even though a bit unnecessary, I'm sure the rituals and dress up just further help the person immerse themselves.
Probably brain maturity+culture. You're brain is still doing a lot of development till it's 25, so maybe they want to make sure you're mature enough. Over hereit could just be culture though because we send soldier's out at 18, so that is seen as 'adult'.
>I have my interpretation, you have yours.
Indeed. And mine is based on the Bible, and yours is apparently based on a mistranslation of Samael at one point, which then fucks up the tone elsewhere.
Not religious per se, but to have a belief in a supreme creative being/force.
No information required to be given, but they might ask you about it.
>It would be basically impossible for the idea of Freemasonry to be untouched by extensive monetization
We'd probably be better off if that were the case. People have made money of Masonry, but Masonry hasn't made much money off people.
It's just a throwback. Their current reasoning is that you're going to be a bit more mature at 21, and better able to support yourself. Most American ones are 21. It's just the places which forbid alcohol where 18 is permitted.
If you're a Lewis (son/grandson/etc of a Mason), you can get in at 18 regardless.
Dunno. I had blood and a direct entry into the Freemasons at a young age and still do. I was never directly asked but my family all tried to point me toward that.
Declined. Now the black sheep of them, but the person that was the link is now dead. He did not judge nor push. I view the living family as leeches.
Fair enough. There are fake Masonic groups which admit atheists if you were ever that curious. But be warned a lot of them are just cash grabs, even if they do use a proper (enough) ceremonial.
Usually you'd notice your father heading out once a month in a tux carrying a briefcase with apron in it. Or you might have noticed something at their house. Otherwise yea, you'd ask, or they'd tell.
If that's no longer possibly, you could also ask the Grand Lodge of your state/country [where they lived mostly] if they had them on record.
OK thanks, would a further relative (great grandparents etc) be worth anything or would it be more or less irrelevant?
I hope it isn't too much to ask but would you be able to point me towards some good reading for people intending to join? I'm only 18 so I have a few years to get ready. Also, are the any prejudices against people who are overweight? I'm quite chubby so it would give me time to lose some weight. Thanks.
Those should still work. But not having had to deal with it myself, i couldn't tell you exactly. Plus, i think it varies from place to place. If you're in the UK, Grand Lodge there did publish all their membership records from earlier than 1920, which might help.
Otherwise it could be that you have to be related to someone living, or even in the lodge you're joining. Worth asking them about if you're keen, at least. Especially since University Lodges admit 18yr olds (and have a different schedule, to account for the students).
>I hope it isn't too much to ask but would you be able to point me towards some good reading for people intending to join?
Oh man, I was asked this the other day, and i still haven't come up with anything great. Plenty of stuff for AFTER you've joined, but it's tough to think of anything which is tantalising, yet doesn't go through too many spoilers.
I think in the last thread i recommended Revd. Neville Barker-Cryer's books like York Mysteries Revealed (frightfully dull, but explains more history than you could imagine) and the Royal Arch Journey (again history). Peterborough Booklets, which are often given to interested guys to explain bits of it, but they're about as good as pamphlets you get from Grand Lodge. Beyond the Craft by Keith Jackson is great fun for explaining all the side degrees, and thus places Masonry a bit. Revd. George Oliver's The Book of the Lodge is also good regarding expectations, but it might be a bit advanced.
Magazines are great too, like The Square. Freemasonry Today has "Best of Ten Years" edition for £1 with Lewis Publishing.
>Also, are the any prejudices against people who are overweight?
Only from the Wardens and Deacons, because at one point you have to be laid flat from a standing position, and afterwards lifted back up. If you're in a Scottish lodge, they actually carry you on a stretcher. Had a guy once who was at least 150kg and damn near seven feet tall. That was a work out...
Now that i think about it, with magazines, you could probably ask the Grand Lodge you'll be petitioning to subscribe to theirs (should be free if you're going to join).
But try not to get too caught up on just Masonic books (like most of us do). It's pretty damn important to read things like Cicero, Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Galileo, Copernicus, Marcus Aurelius, and others like that for reasons which will become clear in the 2nd and 3rd degrees.
Revd. George Oliver also has The History of Initiation which is apparently great for explaining the purposes of the degrees by covering initiations in other cultures.
Sorry for the disjointed answer.
Thanks a lot for all the information. One final round of questions and I'll stop bugging you: do you have any advice for joining? Would it be better to turn up at the lodge or apply online? Is there a dress code, and would it be worth investing in a decent suit?
Look at the context, though. Plus, Hall wasn't a Mason.
Best thing is to ask someone you know, but otherwise ask online might be easiest. See if your local has a facebook or website, just because most of the time there won't be anyone at the lodge building.
You could also ask your Grand Lodge, and they'll point you in the right direction.
As for a suit, I would always say yes, but it depends on where you are. Most places require a tuxedo or morning suit, but in America, you could get away with any dark suit, since they often just have tuxedo for officers (or in the case of Pennsylvania, tailcoats).
So again, ask them when you apply, but bear in mind it never hurts to have a good suit.
When whistleblowers write books of what they experienced inside secret societies, and then suddenly die, maybe pay attention.
Illuminati Unmasked is another good source for this kind of stuff.
That you think such sources should be readily available in the open air shows how dumb you are.
We won't. We'll keep telling the truth, and you'll keep believing the lies.
Malachi Martin revealed even greater detail of a Luciferic "enthronement ceremony by Satanists in the Vatican" in his book, "Windswept House": "The Enthronement of the Fallen Archangel Lucifer was effected within the Roman Catholic Citadel on June 29, 1963; a fitting date for the historic promise about to be fulfilled. As the principal agents of this ceremonial well knew, Satanist tradition had long predicted that the Time of the Prince would be ushered in at the moment when a Pope would take the name of the Apostle Paul [Pope Paul VI]."
The path begins with the Grand Lodges, which promote The Builders.
The Builders points to The Mysteries of Magic, which states that Lucifer is God.
The path from the Grand Lodges to Luciferianism and/or Satanism is quite short.
"What is more absurd and more impious than to attribute the name of Lucifer to the devil, that is, to personified evil, The intellectual Lucifer is the spirit of intelligence and love; it is the Paraclete, it is the Holy Spirit, while the physical Lucifer is the great agent of universal magnetism."
(The Mysteries of Magic, page 428)
I used to think so too anon. It's a conclusion you have to come to on your own
But if it's a myth, why would the Vatican sneakily refer to Lucifer as God? What's the point? Why wouldn't the Vatican just stay dindu nuffin nothing good boys instead of going against what they claim to believe?
No, but real extra-dimensional beings have a lot of power. Not all the power in the world though
You think it's just a coincidence that so many people sympathize with Lucifer but hate God? Even though they claim neither exists?
Oh, so imaginary made up characters do actually have power in the world.
Imagine how much more power real extra-dimensional beings have in the world.
Then imagine they have you by the balls.
Then why is there no evidence of them interacting in this world? It's as if they're doing nothing and people are blaming them for things that naturally happen. Like every other myth. There's no empirical evidence that these invisible beings do anything.
>inb4 Asking for physical evidence of the metaphysical
See how they can twist words to make Lucifer the good guy. It's outright just hilarious. You join this cult (Freemasonry) you swear oaths, you make friends, you put in work. By the time they tell you Lucifer is the good guy you're so far in that it's easier to just believe what they tell you than question it. I did the research before I joined. Then ended up not joining .
There's tons of evidence of inter-dimensional aliens contacting us and altering the history of mankind. Tons. This board usually talks about it. They just call it Annunaki, Marian apparitions, UFOs, etc.
Smart. Also, places like that have circles within circles, so that not even the top people are all at the same level, so to speak. Keeps everyone on their toes.
There are people here who swear God is just trying to keep us down, and Lucifer wants to lead us to godhead. They truly believe it.
That which we must say to the world is that we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him?
Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods; darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive….
Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.- Albert Pike
A few leading ufo researchers have theorized that the orbs of light that are often seen in the sky are fallen angels. They have too many nonphysical properties such as passing through solid objects or simply disappearing. These aren't (or at least weren't) Christians. These were researchers who logically narrowed down what they could be, and many have concluded that they are extra-dimensional or spiritual beings. If you're curious I would look into it, there's a lot of video showing this spiritual phenomena
I'm convinced there's a disinformation campaign to bring up angels in connection with UFO's to discredit the legitimate study of them.
Almost every UFO thread will have one or two people coming in to say that "they're angels/demons" making us all look foolish.
Adonay is Jesus
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! -Isaiah 5:20
So who is the good guy? Now I'm confused.
UFO's are many things. Some of those things are angels. Some of those things are fallen angels.
Do you not notice how the godless hope some extraterrestrials will come to earth and save us from ourselves? Give us medicine to cure all ills? Teach us how to live forever? Show us how to be like gods?
Well I'm on the opposite side, where I think the other side is a long term disinfo campaign. I'm not saying everyone who believes they're extraterrestrial instead of of extra-dimensional is a disinfo agent, I'm just saying that's how the idea was started. Lucifer is very clever and good at planting ideas
Also I forgot to add that angels are described as beings of light in the bible
Also I'm going to leave this video if you or anyone else wants to check it out. It's pretty long though and only certain parts talk about "aliens" because it's tied into something bigger
I believe that they believe it. People are easily fooled. well maybe not easily but that's what the degrees are for. Authority has alot to do with it as well. And once you believe something it's hard to admit your wrong or that all your brothers are wrong. Especially when you been involved for so long.
It's weird that they all point their swords at the newbee, and then say that it is because they will defend him if attacked.
I'm standing in a room with a dozen people pointing swords at me, they're the ones attacking me.
I don't think anyone believes that defending bullshit. That's an open death threat.
>where do you get this shite?
IMNSHO There is a very strong current of Luciferianism running through the modern apocalyptic religions, all tied up with the more esoteric aspects of Christianity itself (e.g. the color red, the significance of the last days, the seat of responsibility for salvation juxtaposed with the realization of one's own capacity for personal and world change...). As a result fundamentalist Christians are constantly being exposed to esoteric rites which a literal reading of the bibles makes look like devil-worship. The resulting cognitive dissonance can lead to a dark night of the soul and enlightenment, or more likely a tendency to see servants of the Adversary everywhere. The unknown nature of occult groups and their semi-familiar symbolism makes an ideal blank canvas for projecting this paranoia
I think it's a threat. Also they will defend you. Freemasons help Freemasons this breeds corruption. But in Freemasonry there is a hierarchy so you do what the higher ups say. They will help you too, but only so they can later use you. In Freemasonry you defiantly give more than you get. defiantly
Hades/Sheol is divided into two parts. Paradise and a place of torment. All of the people who believed in God went to Paradise, aka the Bosom of Abraham. That includes all people who believed Moses and the prophets about a messiah, and all righteous gentiles.
When Jesus died, this is where He went. He stayed there for three days, and then led those captives in Paradise free; He brought them to heaven with Him. Paradise is now empty. When people die now, they go straight to heaven; to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
The place of torments is still occupied, and will be, until it is emptied at the end of things for the last judgment; then Hades/Sheol will itself be cast into the universal incinerator.
All babies who die never reaching their own age of accountability go to be with the Lord. Their sins are not held against them. We see this in David and his dead son, and in Jesus saying the Kingdom of Heaven is made up of these (children).
All living people go to heaven.
All dead people go to hell, with the exception noted above for people never reaching their own age of accountability.
Everyone after Adam and Eve were born dead. You have to be born again, in the Spirit, to become a living being.
You have to regain what Adam lost, which is offered as a free gift to all who believe in Jesus.
What sort of documentation on inter-dimensional aliens do you think there is?
They're properly in the bible, and therefore exist. Their actions are recounted a million times by eyewitnesses.
What are you so afraid of?
I just hope as a collective zeitgeist we are growing out of being manipulated by this cults tactics and see through it. I mean you want to join because you feel excluded. You wanna be cool? That's manipulation of the ego. elitist b/s .
They say they'll give you power. Power always leads to corruption . I just hope or children's generation can see though the b/s.
>All babies who die never reaching their own age of accountability go to be with the Lord. Their sins are not held against them
So whenever a baby is aborted it automatically goes to Heaven?
The Bible is a book of myth, it's not history just because it has historical places in it. There were no nephilim, there's no aliens, no Anunnaki as that was a myth too. Nothing like that.
Yeah I "know" some of that too. But it's not an ultimate truth, know what I'm saying? I know it these other concepts cerebrally but not in my heart.
You know what I meant anon. Stop being so sassy you silly goose
There is no ultimate truth. The idea of the afterlife is there because people can't cope with being gone forever in time so they have to hope for something. These imaginary beings are just what goes with the belief, it's ultimately why people accept these things.
I come here to laugh at people and challenge their beliefs.
>Everything in the bible is real
Right, so that's why Exodus never happened. Stop mistaking this shit for history, because it's not, none of the shit ever happened.
Cool dude. Maybe you'll see one day, maybe you won't
And to be honest, I'm almost as nervous about meeting God as I am of nonexistence. I'm not afraid, I just have no idea what to expect
Exodus is properly in the bible.
So, it happened.
See, chariot wheels at al aqaba, Solomon monument across al aqaba, and Ilywur papyrus.
And the entire book of Exodus in the Word of God.
30% of the bible is prophetic, and most of those prophecies have come true. Some are coming true right now. Proving that the author, or the inspiration in this case, knew the end from the beginning. Only God sees the end from the beginning.
You, for instance, are a scoffer who denies Jesus is ever coming back, saying that life has always been like this, and you discredit both the creation and the Flood.
Just like the bible says of you.
Everything the bible touches on, the bible is true. Including the Exodus.
Every attack on the veracity of the bible has failed. Some more spectacularly then others.
You, though, basically ramp up Holocaust denial into Exodus denial.
Among others, yea.
I'm sure you do, but it doesn't make it the truth.
Evidence is against you.
>See how they can twist words to make Lucifer the good guy.
I don't know if the Bible is twisting words...
Actually is, since they're far more Christian. Hell, in most places those "higher" (side) degrees are almost exclusively Christian.
>30% of the bible is prophetic, and most of those prophecies have come true
These prophecies are either vague or made up.
>Just like the bible says of you
Looks like the Bible knew these things were true and said they weren't to cover their ass.
The Bible isn't a book of history. You mistake it for history because you're a moron.
Which one is vague?
Which one is made up?
Which historical event in the bible has been demonstrated to be false? Luke may be the best ancient historian to exist. He is 100% precise and accurate.
Can you say the same about any other historian?
This is the beginning of the end for Freemasonry.
The truth is out there. Collectively people in america are less susceptible to b/s.After 9/11. Also with the web ppl will find the truth . In the future only the foolish will join.
No problem pham. I got you
Here's the freemason video again. I'm only posting it again because it might have gotten lost in the shuffle
>in b4 I get banned for "spamming"
You posted a Turkish video with a recording saying that's what happened.
You're counting on people thinking that audio mixing was somehow what it actually sounded like in the lodge at the time.
I know. And I was referring to the Bible. You should read it sometime.
Particularly Rev 22:16, Numbers 24:17, Mt 2:2, Mt 2:7-10, Mt 4:16
I think people just don't like unfounded accusations.
People have been saying that for 300 years.
>You posted a Turkish video with a recording saying that's what happened.
You're counting on people thinking that audio mixing was somehow what it actually sounded like in the lodge at the time
Yeah...so? What is all a conspiracy against the freemasons? Even if that wasn't the audio (which it is, many whistleblowers have revealed what goes on in freemasonry) the video footage is enough to show that some fucked up shady shit is going on. You didn't even watch the video I bet.
Also>>17311006 didn't post the video I did
Most of these, that is.
>What is all a conspiracy against the freemasons?
>the video footage is enough to show that some fucked up shady shit is going on. You didn't even watch the video I bet.
Not really. Might seem strange to you, but try reading a ceremonial. It all gets explained.
Or maybe the fools don't, and only those with higher standards of proof join?
Not derail. Trying to contribute. The "luciferian" circlejerkers are pretty misguided.
>I know. And I was referring to the Bible. You should read it sometime.
>Particularly Rev 22:16, Numbers 24:17, Mt 2:2, Mt 2:7-10, Mt 4:16
So what that is implying is that Jesus is Lucifer. Right? So you admit that Freemasons worship Lucifer ?
>Or maybe the fools don't, and only those with higher standards of proof join?
Well, I am looking for the truth if it be so that freemasons are right I would love to join,but that's not were I am in life right now. Further proof is needed. Also doubt I would be accepted.
>Only the Christian ones worship Christ, yes.
If Christ is Lucifer. Why can't you just admit Freemasons worship Lucifer? What's with the run around? I understand the organization comes from hiding knowledge from being destroyed from the church. But we are beyond that. If there is nothing to hide just let the truth come out .More people would join. Maybe even me.
If the thread's still alive when i get home, I'll post as much as you like.
He wasn't a Mason. He only thought he was. Then got all pissy when he reaslised he wasn't.
Because people think it's more. Which it is, but not in that way.
There is no run around. We don't use the term Yeshua bin Yosef either, because it'd be confusing, regardless of truth.
>I understand the organization comes from hiding knowledge from being destroyed from the church.
Not quite. It's about preserving knowledge meant for what is essentially quality assurance.
>More people would join. Maybe even me.
No offense, but is that so desirable?
Sacrifice who we are for people who aren't going to appreciate it? We're doing plenty fine with numbers as is. The more open jurisdictions always seem to have it harder.
>No offence, but is that so desirable?
None taken and I get where you are coming from, in a sense, being not a member and all. But, what about the idea of acceptance as opposite to elitism ? Which is in a way how it appears to me. Why all the secrecy? It breeds conspiracy.
It's more than a country club in that it's meant to be a learning institution, where men of all classes can come together to discuss and advance science and philosophy, as well as doing charitable acts (relating to the above).
The secrecy relates to the mode of teaching, being from medieval guilds who would restrict their knowledge to those who would learn all of it in the proper order, lest it be screwed up for everyone.
Ie. The guilds had a handshake as a QA system so someone unqualified wouldn't try to work on a cathedral buttress. By the same token, becuase they committed to learning all of it (in stages) they would be less likely to defraud their peers.
It's not elitism, since almost any man can join. But it does (or should be) tend to be limited to those who would duly appreciate it.
If someone wanted in just for mercenary gain, or idle curiosity, they'd be blackballed.