>>17277518 Wicca is actually incompatible with lesbianism, traditionally speaking. She might even be channelling a spirit. You can't know why a woman would want to be with you, only Gods and demons know.
>>17278991 Booze is related heavlily to ritual. There'd be animals too, statuary. Ideally we'd be able to agree upon revering several forms of the earth mother/sky father among personal shrines near every house. Everything eclectic as heck, but grown mostly from the dirt under-one's nails.
>>17281475 Definitely. I try to communicate that but nothing gets through. I'm accused of worshiping demons and rebelling against god. It wouldn't bother me so much if it was coming from the people I grew up around.
>>17281491 That's because you're a retard and call yourself a witch when you aren't one. Witchcraft is inherently involved with demons. If what you're doing isn't involved with demons, it isn't witchcraft, and you calling it witchcraft just makes you look like an idiot.
>>17281514 Stop embarrassing yourself by calling whatever kind of magic you do witchcraft, then complaining that people "don't understand", and I will. Witch has a very specific meaning. It would be like a doctor of medicine calling himself an astrophysicist.
>>17281540 Symbols and words aren't the same thing. Yes, you can say that you're giving witch a new definition, but what's the point. Most people won't know what the fuck you're talking about, which is a problem since words are used to communicate.
i dont get it, why you practice witchcraft if you already know you are on the losing side? you dont gain anything unless you have more to lose out of any deal you can do with these demons. They always lie, and they have been around for a long time so they are wise at manipulating people, dont you think they know what makes you tick?
>>17281588 Literally what I've been complaining about: Christfags assuming false and frustrating things about me and my beliefs and refusing to accept contrary explanation because their with/against bias is unshakable.
>>17281624 >Christfags assuming false and frustrating things about me and my beliefs Because you are literally using an incorrect definition of witch. A witch is a person who works with demons to preform magic. People who preform other kinds of magic are not witches. The only reason to call yourself a witch is because either YOU are misinformed, or because you want to associate yourself with something from history that you believe adds legitimacy to whatever it is you are doing, which would seem to indicate that whatever you're doing isn't real, since if it is then it legitimizes itself.
>>17281645 Demons have absolutely nothing to do with the original etymology of witch and witchcraft. They derive from old English words for practitioners of magic and sorcery, but any connection with Christian ideas of Satanic and demonic forces were added after the fact. In fact, they were originally applied to Germanic tribesman in the mid-medieval period.
>>17281540 The bible does not use any symbol as a representation of Christianity, the us of the cross is tradition, it is not biblical
>>17281624 witchcraft involves dealing with what the bible calls demons. all the spirits are either angels or demons, the bible says that if a demon does not state that Jesus Christ is God then its not from God thus a demon
They know much more about you than you think, they watch you always.
>>17281645 And if those weren't enough, Monier Monier-Williams defined "witch" as having at least four separate meanings, only one of which has any devilish connotation - the forth being a practitioner of wicca.
>>17281691 the bible calls those entities demons, so what if the origin of the word is not the same. From the very beginning God denounced false gods, the ones that you are having communion through your rituals or whatever you do
>>17281758 >>17281762 one is right the other one is not, you are going to lose when dealing with them, they dont care about you, they will lie and deceive, and manipulate you just to get their way, you have been warned, this is not a fucking game
>>17281852 We rectify our mistakes and pay for them in whatever way nature demands. Like I said, we're entrusted to take responsibility for our actions and right any wrongs, however that needs to be done. Obviously there comes with it the idea that you've breached that trust with the gods and have failed to live by their guidelines, but ultimately it's the people who have the responsibility to be good.
And by peaceful, I mean peaceful. No hostility, malevolent rule. They're just as much guides and companions as they are gods. They don't drain anything from me, either.
>>17281860 I'm mostly a beginner too. I started out using different herbs, since I'm a tea fanatic. I started with a simple beginners wicca book, which helped me figure out the healing and spiritual properties of certain herbs. I use them according to what I need them for (rosemary for protection + focus, for example). I started getting into crystals and their energies, and got a little crystal collection going. They have energies as well and you can use them almost like the herbs, surround yourself with them for whatever properties you need from them. Nowadays I'm practicing spells, and focusing my energy towards what I want. I'm trying to follow the karmic law and think more positively. It kinda starts off from original interests, then you find your niche. There's no wring way to practice
>>17281860 Oh, and I got a cute blank book to use as my book of shadows/grimoire. I would recommend doing that. Write down recipes, thoughts, journal entries, spells or things you want to remember, such as runes, crystals, or herbs.
>>17281943 >>17282019 Not really. Crystals are mostly a hoodoo/root worker thing and that was because they were rare in the 1800s. Plus ceremonial magicians use them in certain rituals and then it's mostly just a hunk of quartz crystal for scrying. The new age fags just spammed them everywhere because "lol crystalz so groovy man". Gods I hate them so much.
>>17282012 I had a older friend who was so positive and full of good energy. He was so great to be around. He told me about wicca/paganism and the misconceptions behind it, and let me ask questions freely. By that time I couldn't consider myself christian anymore, due to conflicting beliefs. I needed more fulfillment in my life, so I decided to try witchcraft out. It's helped me make self discoveries and be a better person in general. I was drawn to the freedom it held.
I've almost been practicing for a year now, but I want to find a coven so it would feel more communal. It gets hard to frequently practice by myself.
>>17282068 I'm in the same dilemma. I don't really know anyone else who's pagan, let alone wiccan, so whenever I try to talk about it to other people I feel that I come off as an attention whore. In terms of being introduced, my mom owned an occult-themed novel that I found and read as a teenager. Despite getting almost everything about witchcraft wrong, it peaked my interest enough to look into it and before long I started taking it seriously.
>>17282126 Yeah. I mostly want a mentor or someone with advice/experience doing witchcraft, since it's kinda been feeling my way through it the whole time. I'm not in contact anymore with that friend, so I know no one. But I'll try what >>17282078 said
>>17282068 I think your friend represents a major goal in our craft: contentment. A lot of outsiders get the impression that we're dark and have macabre rituals, but really the idea is just to have inner-peace and contentment with your being and environment. And you'll not only feel better, but be a little brighter on the outside. It really throws my relatives for a loop, since they think I drink animal blood on a Satanic alter.
>>17282169 I recently discovered a "holistic" shop in my bible thumping town. It had been there a year and I never knew about it. Pagans and wiccans are out there, near you, but they aren't like Christians who seek out people to convert. They would rather you find your way to them.
i think this might be the right place, but if not, direct me to where it's appropriate.
i've recently developed a bit of a curiosity for wicca practices. i have a couple of books, but not anything serious (i think?).
to put it short, i'm looking for more of self gain (but i'd like to help others if it works for me). particularly in money and success. i've poured a lot of energy into a project, and i'd like it to succeed.
i saw a few spells for "quick money" in the books i have, which would help at the moment as i'm particularly not in a good financial spot. i'm just not sure if it'll work out so great, or if there's something better for it.
i know it's not a good reason to get into witchcraft, but for me, it's a start. though probably not the best...
i guess my biggest question is, what is a good way to start? something easy, something that can't go wrong.
>>17284813 Wicca = witchcraft Same thing different name. Of course the early stuff is garbage it was the beginning of trying to rebuild everything from scratch. I mean Gardner had no idea what he was doing at first. Still this stuff is a good foundation. Although I'd recommend Agrippa and his contemporary as beginning reading material. Anyway, good recommended author list from you, bud.
>>17287717 First and foremost you should read up on the theology and decide if you actually want to believe it or not. If you're not comfortable just yet after that you don't have to get into ritual practices immediately - just try out the faith and see if it works for you. There's no one doctrine in wicca so you won't get symbolically penalized for how you choose to approach it. Take your time.
>>17288935 Those herbs aren't worthy of study? Those elements aren't already in conjunction? The world needs fixing by your literate wizard hands? The crystals know not what to do, and neither does an ox, Oh look oh look such disarray, I must put in in this box. Once in the box, I'll have a look-see, I'll find out what this means, with pulp from pulp from pulp from a tree. The wisdom of the seller is right for me. I'll know what does what, you'll see you'll see. I'll have facts to back up my envies, of people with a touch, a gift of the goddess. Rather than realizing that magick is all this. It's best to build your own knowledge without books, by letting the things tell you what they are. Standardising magic is the worst thing, because the universe ain't standardized.
"Dark witchcraft" generally involves the underworld, ancestors and "the mighty dead", and cthonic deities.
Your "threefold law" was originally an injunction for YOU to return threefold what was done to you, whether for woe or for weal, and not some supposed law of universal mechanics. Modern neo-wicca has basically gotten it backwards.
On an unrelated note I may have found the secret to creating tulpas. Except no one seems to be interested in that... Why wouldn't you want a tulpa at your command? It's the closest thing you'll get to being a necromancer for fucks sakes!
leaving this here. Science proved seances could create something about 40 years ago. No one sees the full potential of this but me. Like fuck!
>>17289741 Nope. Same thing different names. Gardner used both terms interchangeably. However if you're referring to some cults that's survived the onslaught of Christianity in Europe. You're an idiot. Nothing survived that unchanged.
If you want to do the real magic, learn Hypnosis, read The Holographic Universe from M. Talbot read the content of wingmakers.com learn to shut down your mind study NLP neuro linguistic programming get congruent, meaning melting with your subconscious connent with your higher self cleanup your past change your past learn to program your future stop having expectations start defining real goals get full control over your body get full control over your mind get full control over your energy recognize that you are an eternal being recognize that you have infinite potential reduced by your body and mind unleash your potential by living in the now without expectations but goals live the oneness and you will never be alone again take responsibility for your body recognize that your body is the most valuable in this reality let your old personality die get reborn give yourself over to your higher self without expectation and unconditionally feel your potential in every moment let your potential guide you become a grand master accept the gifts life will give you, all wishes will come true stay calm or you will get crazy about the stuff that starts to happen recognize that you are a part of god rezognize that you are god rezognize that there's nothing else than god make what ever you want, live a life that is worth living, because it could be the last for you after you lived as long as possible as e supreme and you die, remeber this shit and do the same in the life between lifes and don't let the 'angel' fool you into another life. Stay in this realm until you consumed all the knowledge, because they just want to muck you. They can't force you into a new life unless you believe it. There is no judge, you are the judge. And remember, even if you ever will be able to get to the state i have, life goes on until your body died, meaning you need food and therefore money, but at least it will make more fun, because you will never be afraid of death again!
>>17289943 Reality is chaos. Chaos is the highest form of order. This is just the stuff, that really works, not the illusion stuff, that will bring you into a mental institution, i was there because of the 'non chaotic' magic! White or black magic is poison for the mind.
Paganism predates the bible. Dionysus and Osiris both died and were resurrected layer your New Testament is just a re-working of those myths just like the old testament is a re-working of Egyptian monotheistic mystery schools...the herbrews did not invent montheism.
I don't prefer the word witch I prefer pagan or just divine nature worshipper
>>17284000 Because is a real path that involves a lot of hard self work. I invited some friends of my bff to gather with my coven, they were really interested... But the full moon passes and they don't contact me, I thought on sending them more info, but it's useless. If they don't compromise with something as simple as looking for info, coven or a contact, they will abandon anyway.
>>17281624 Witchcraft is confusing to me, why would you befriend a spirit that is far weaker than God? And not only that, but also a spirit that is evil and is so scared of God that even the presence of him is enough for him to depart.
Read the KJV Bible, your witchcraft won't give you eternal life
>>17281967 Have you not read in Genesis, And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness. God is not one, he is three, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is what causes the fear of the demons, they cannot stand before him
>>17291088 Hmm. I find it facinating that you would call the beings I worship "Evil" when it's your Christian god that sent my children home from school crying, because they were scared of some of the churchy brats who told them they were going to hell. To my knowledge, pretty much all deities have had killing done in their name. It's a fact of life and I'm not going to pretend that my hands are historically clean. But, comparatively, I'm as innocent as your virgin Mary. There is no religion that has so entirely and so systematically organized bloodshed in the name of their god.
Either the deity or his followers are pieces of shit.
>>17291612 Just gonna rattle off some of the ones I get asked the most: >Why do you worship weak gods? >Do you ACTUALLY think that magic works? >Are you anti-Christ/anti-Christian? >Are you involved with Satan and/or demons? >Is your moral code just "anything goes" then?
>>17291646 >>17291646 It's actually kind of a joy, won't lie. I feel like, by sharing my beliefs with my kiddos, I'm a better parent for it.
Ya know how when you first move away from home, you don't put alot of effort into christmas or whatever? That's how most of us (Without covens) do most pagan holidays. The kids give me an excuse to go all out, decorating the whole house, so much baking and cooking, and then the rituals are very very fun. They love it. Involving them in rituals just like any other religion does. For the first while, all they'll do is enjoy the fun. Explain it anyway. After awhile, they'll start to understand and appreciate what it means.
They're also very respectful little boys. They haven't shown any of the cruelty or unfeelingness I've seen in other kids their age. Everyone is a friend, everyone needs a smile. They actually almost got suspended for beating up a bully who'd been pulling a younger girls hair >.>
>>17291637 >>Why do you worship weak gods? that's a perfectly valid question, and I'd like to hear your answer. I mean, Odin couldn't stop Christians and Muslims from using Scandinavia as a hackey-sack, and that was when the Norse culture was at its military and economic peak. So what kind of "god" is he supposed to be?
>Do you ACTUALLY think that magic works? A valid question. There is no scientific validity in the practice of magic.
>Are you anti-Christ/anti-Christian? If this question bothers you, the answer is probably yes.
>Hey everyone, I'm a pagan, ask me anything, although I'm going to ignore all the questions that make me uncomfortable! I did a Muslim AMA on /pol/ the other day. And even while I was getting flooded with "go back to your own country shitskin", I still made a respectable attempt to answer ALL questions, and not just cherrypick.
>>17291088 Because you can't do anything as you are a part of god. Witchcraft allows you to step into another's shoes.
Basically my ancestors saw it lyke dis. There's father sky, who you CAN ask for help but he's the god of all skies, he's busy.
But there's still the animals who you can ask. Who you can grasp, skin, consume, commune, and their plants too. They are here for our learning, we can't be carried around by papa forever, we are grown ups, just like the rabbits.
>>17293043 If magic isn't real, then why do you keep posting that pink burka-burka girel? Aren't you trying to create a magical impression of your persona despite this anonymity? Taking void and turning it to something? Can't you sell us better pictures? This "cute" girl person doesn't hide your vitriol. It only serves to sustain a magick spell that you weave. Magick isn't real, anon that I recognize.
>>17293067 >This "cute" girl person doesn't hide your vitriol. It only serves to sustain a magick spell that you weave. What vitriol? I'm not saying anything hateful. There is one God, one Heaven and one Hell. There is no such thing as magic, only demonic deception. That's the truth, that isn't hate. The truth is not hate.
>>17287757 Wicca = witchcraft but witchcraft != wicca, they're not synonyms.
Wicca refers specifically to the style of witchcraft generated by Gerald Gardner, and his successors, during the 20th century, as well as the myriad less-defined forms of eclectic wicca.
Witchcraft as an umbrella term refers to a wide variety of traditions from different regions and periods, encompassing a wide range of different practices.
>I mean Gardner had no idea what he was doing at first.
Or at the end, unfortunately. While Gardner did seem to have some knowledge of the OTO and GD systems, the tradition he produced on the back of those seems disctinctly meh, and has produce a huge range of ecletic traditions grounded in feelpinion rather than theory.
As for Agrippa, while I would recommend the 3 Books as a great general source of magic, I would find it hard to recommend them for someone starting from scratch. That said, they are an essential component of a modern occultist's library.
I would recommend Chumbley's material over any other system for a serious education in modern occultism and witchcraft, however it is known for being very obscure and dense
>>17293096 There is one two faced person here up in the clouds and I see why you worship him.
I prefer to not think that worms are evil and that doggies are unholy. I prefer to actually think that god is legos and is what makes up everything. As above so below. Your way is creating a single good/evil society, while my way allows for infinite expression of gods.
Sometimes everyone wants to be someone else. If god wants to show himself to me in any way, I can go along with it and get closer to god. Would you play D&D with your nerdy, mostly absent dad if it was what he wanted to use it as a tool to help you grow up? Or would you say, No I don't want to play?
>>17293161 Alright, God is a nerdy dad, a forever Game Master because he shows his love through micromanagement. He makes the sun rise on time, etc. Well He has a very vivid fantasy world fulll of demons and angels for the especially curious to explore. He isn't gonna give you permission to play, because it's part of the game,that you rebel in order to play that game.
God is great, and as long as you remember that God is in all things, then you can totes practice magic. If the demons that you work with aren't above god, then what is the harm in being a Player Character? I mean seriously, play a role-playing game, just once with a bunch of friends. And then you'll get the experience of why people do magic. I recommend everyone is John, ask /tg/ they have it and ideas for a first time game.
>>17291774 Puberty should be interesting. Having taken up wicca later in my teens I can't know for sure what impact it would have, but I imagine it would be leaps and bounds better for them than Christian repression.
>>17276968 Have never entered a circle, never practiced magic as I guess I don't need to..... However I am armed security/Bartender for our Pagan Swamp kitchen and our groups dream interpreter (using logic, not flawed divination). As well, I pray daily to the Mother and Father, and have a wife and 4 kids that of they're own accord do the same. T.L.O.T.R.E.A.M. ( the law of three rules everything around me) Family is everything.
>>17281540 Actually, Christian here, the cross is a phallis (penis) and means nothing to me. I'm interested in converting to paganism because im so fucking tired of the backwards self righteous people i deal with... but i have no magic nor have i been able to open any chakras. I don't think i have the gift... and frankly i have ADD so focusing on a spell or a chant has been ridiculously hard for me in the past...
For those frustrated with the restrictions and rules set by the Christian religion I can only suggest you become a satanist (I'm a theoretical one myself) not only does it not impose any way of life or rule it also can bring you to relatively simple Magik quite easily. Just forget evrything you think you know and don't assume anything. For more info check out Satan's Den Hail Satan
>>17298166 The rules there aren't just because god is a micromanager, its because he knows how dangerous a covenant with a demon is. If you don't know by now, black magick uses borrowed power from demons, but can cause adverse health effects, and they will slowly suck more life out of you with every use. White or plain magick, relies mostly on concoctions potions and prayers to a deity, and doesn't require any demons although no matter what you do you need to be careful.
>>17298192 Most wicca balance dark and white magick to counter each other. Similar to yin and yang. Less experienced ones will foolishly dive head first into dark magick and get a real nasty demon on their back without proper prep.
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