How is bible different from any generic fiction books?
If I wrote down a book about "god" and how people should live just for lulz, will the people 1000 years from now treat it as another holy book?
Go ahead OP write a 'generic fiction' book that will sell as many copies as the Bible, it should be way easy for a genius like you.
The bible is more of a historical text book not written like Harry Potter
Mathew mark Luke John etc are the names of the supposed people who wrote each gospel ( there are others which are not in the modern bible)
Op your question needs revising
It's written as an account of fact and like any historical text would need its text validated etc
The judaic bible was written in a time when fiction was indistinguishable from mythology. It caught on as a social structure that emphasizes obedience to paternal influence and forbade the things that'd cause damage to their society in large amounts (trading/breeding outside tribe, homosexuality etc) and was then driven into the next generation by parents. 2 thousands years on and it's had to twist and morph to stay 'relevant' to a new world. So essentially is the scientology of the old world.
This kind of book has to follow some guidelines to be 'holy':
>generic rules and obligations
>historical accounts of a people
>self-assertion of holiness that is without error
>altering the book will cause a curse to the sinner who attempts to change it
>follow a holy entity's personality, acts and relation to humanity -- a god(s), incarnation, etc
Have at it, OP
Because its fiction disguised as fact. People understand the simplicity of an imaginary man who desires them to do good, because just generally doing what's right without some kind of reward is pointless.
Its the reason why the abrahamic religions persisted so strongly. They made the promise of eternal paradise in exchange for being good and built their whole belief around it. Adding an extreme punishment for being bad.
Most other mythologies failed because going to the good place was much harder and most everyone who died went to the same boring shit afterlife. In Christianity all you have to do is believe in Jesus and boom all sins are forgiven.
Sorry guys, but you're just spewing up some vomit that someone else has said before.
If you look in your heart you will know the truth
If you were an adherent of a more typical Mystery religion you had no particular reason to spread the word about your faith because it was a bit like a private club with truths that weren't for the average population. Additionally you had no particular reason to fight against other religions because there were many gods and so it was ok if somebody else did things differently.
Christianity also won out because its far more virulent and exclusionary. There was one god, and he had explicit rules about just about everything and anyone who didn't hold the exact correct beliefs was a heretic. Christianity first destroyed the more liberal philosophical faiths that had taken over the Roman empire and then set out on centuries of in fighting over whether their god was of one substance, or if Jesus had only appeared to suffer.
>If you look in your heart you will know the truth
Funny doesn't the 2000 year old book tell you to do that though? Just believe hard enough and you'll be able to feel/hear things that aren't there? Nah you're a special snowflake.
>Christianity: God of love
Kill everyone who doesn't follow my rules.
>Islam: Religion of peace.
Kill everyone who doesn't conform to my rules.
>Judaism: We're special snowflakes.
No one else gets in except Jews.
More accurate to say that it was compiled rather than written. Most of the books have been cobbled together from earlier sources rather than written by a single author at one time.
Even in the New Testament its clear that there were source books that we no longer have. Though one of the sources would have looked very similar to the Gospel of Thomas, generic sayings of Jesus or brief descriptions of actions he took without any larger narrative structure.
Seek what out? Yahweh?
I assure you, my attitudes on this don't come from a lack of seeking knowledge on the subject. You need to be careful what you're looking for. You may not like what you find.
I can personally testify that the bible is the truth. I gave my life to Christ and repented my sins and He literally spoke to me. Now I don't know how to lead you to the light but I've devoted my life to trying to find some way to shepherd the lost like OP to Christ. He's the only one who can fill that void.
Neither book is at all comparable to the Bible in influence or as a historical reference. Both smith's and hubbard's books aren't taken seriously outside of their small minority of followers. They aren't analogous in any way.
Try again fuck face.
Well to be sure it's not nearly as well written or consistent. Multiple authors, giant time jumps, wildly varying writing styles and thematic material. It's not even an especially coherent collection or anthology.
So from a purely "prose" quality standard, terribly written. Of course, that wasn't the intention, so it gets a pass, but it definitely stands out as a difference!
It's used in many secular universities as a non primary historical record you fucking dunce.
If were older than 15 you would understand that one can be euphoric and still the bible as a general historical record and/or collection of literature/myths that can give you historical/archeological/anthropological insight into the time...idiot.
People often misjudge the bible and what it states it definitely is a holy book and to believe in Jesus Christ is a gateway into tapping into a true account of good and righteousness that you must possess in order to be a kind and successful human being. I don't think desecration of a good tool is necessarily correct when the less fortunate misinterpret meaning and the by product of that balloons into violence and stupidity. I'd just keep your mouth shut about all that and don't mess with people.
its a collection of people who knew shit about reptilians, ex the diary of 12 ppl fighting reptilians
<not everyones reptilian knowledge is accurate, if you were a bullshitter and talking about jesus coming back to save us, or chrystals, or berenstein fuckin bears, you were banned from your memes being in the bible. lookin at u bible thumpers>
I never never in my entire fucking history seen a "secular" or in fact ANY non-religious university history course use the Bible for any form of reference excepting only direct relationship to Christianity/Judaism/general anthropological theology.
It's not a history book and it's not meant to be one. Typically when something the Bible describes is discovered to have external verification, people are all, "holy shit, the Bible might have been accurate about this part!
How about Yale?
A quick 10 second search will provide numerous examples demonstrating that you have no idea what you are talking about.
"This course provides a historical study of the origins of Christianity by analyzing the literature of the earliest Christian movements in historical context, concentrating on the New Testament. "
No, you're either trolling or you're a complete fucking retard. Conversation over, the other guy's right,.
", the course does not attempt a theological appropriation of the New Testament as scripture. Rather, the importance of the New Testament and other early Christian documents as ancient literature and as sources for historical study will be emphasized."
It's just goddamned amazing that I say to someone, directly, "I've never seen this outside a class focused on things like CHRISTIAN STUDIES," and the dumb shit immediately responds, "Oh yeah, what about this class focused on CHRISTIAN STUDIES?!!!"
Somewhere in that pea fucking brain he apparently really thinks he made some relevant point.
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Honestly i canot comprehend how people who dont believe cant appreciate the beuty of the bible. The new testament has so much noce stuff, even if you take god out of the equation and take god as love. It simply tells a story of how man should live with love to one another. It is either way a beutifull way and christianity is one of the best paths there are, but sadly the teachings on christ have been changed a lot by the catholic church, but protestants seem to get it.
Hara Hara Mahadev!
>what is archaeology
>what is secular contemporary text
You should take some college courses, anon. That's not a statement of condescension. If you're interested in how we reconstruct history, it'd do you some good.
The point is, the bible gets used for secular research purposes all the time. You don't have to be christian to use the bible as a reference of research tool. It is possible to not take the supernatural events as fact but still use it as a source for historical info in culture, politics, geography, and, yes, limited historical events.
Wouldn't waste a lot of time trying to converse with that person. If you'll note above, they just tried to argue that all religious texts are exactly equally valid and that if some random, unnamed Egyptian text has any relevant historic data then the Bible just HAS to as well!
Troll. No need to waste your time with it, whatever you say it'll just double down and respond with something even more idiotic.
>but one of many sources used to create the record?
Having read all the Pyramid Texts and Coming Forth by Dawn, their religious material doesn't tell us dick except which kings died when, for the most part. Honestly, the Bible as an assembly of canon old and new probably has more historical content than the vast majority of Egyptian religious texts.
Yes , look at Scientology. Or the movie The Matrix. Or Star Wars.
The bible is more evil than the necronomicon. It is responsible for destroying many lives and ruining many lives. It even says that destroying lives is one of its main goals. Luke 12:53 Mathew 10:35
"They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
I'm the guy arguing the bible as an historical document in this thread. And I agree complete with you post.
>>17254411 apparently can't understand why the bible is useful in secular academia.
But religious text doesn't tell us "most" of history...that ignores the entire discipline of archaeology, as well as entire discourse models on how we parse everyday secular stuff.
You're both kinda being dumb...just let it go guys.
>You're both kinda being dumb
Nothing dumb about being right, my friend. The Bible is not commonly used, outside of religious universities, as a source for historic record except in courses or departments specifically focused on theology. In short, if religion's not the focus of the study, you're not going to find the Bible there.
Just the facts of the world.
I feel that they should just accept who I am honestly, im simply in a contemporary state that so far has been the most eye opening to alot of people to say the least. While I dont take the interference personal I do see it as insulting a little bit yet flattering at the same time.
Im keeping track of those who are loyal to me and those who are not.
A mustard seed of faith is all it takes.
But certain things like practice and application and genuine non hostile actions and choices do make a difference in a good way.
>most of what we know about ancient India, America, Egypt comes from their religious texts
>Religious texts are but one tool
I've been, at a normal uni no less, in:
>history/art history courses
Where the Bible's leaned on for textual analysis just as hard as the Odyssey.
But I guess I'm wrong and didn't actually experience these things because it contradicts your facts.
This is why I was telling you both to let it go. The argument's dumb unless you've got a PhD and know what you're talking about.
So the same God that you find to be infallible is the same God who created mankind. Then he set up rules for mankind to live because he created a world full of bloodshed and sin which he punishes humanity for.
Odyssey rarely appears in philosophy courses.
Bible would appear in anthropology courses focused on religion, already covered that.
I could make the same snipe regarding history courses and The Odyssey suffice to say that if you think that the Bible was employed in any context outside of a religious focus in your history courses then yes, you didn't experience that. It's that simple.
So yeah, you're wrong.
As I said.
I am too efficient and conducive to life even when a so called problem arises I simply expect certain beings to study it to learn better.
Sorry there was violence but Im sure there were prophets who warned about the outcome of certain things and the mercy of the trinity.
>double major in philosophy and art history working on a masters in museum administration all from accredited public uni is bullshit
This seems like intentional bait, but I guess I'll take it...what's your educational background? I don't get the passive aggressive 'tude for saying the dispute between you and the other anon was dumb.
Ah, fuck it, enjoy your thread, m8s. I hope you guys enjoy your day.
It's okay, man. Some of us like violence!
You are a fraud. A god does not create something knowing the full consequences of his or her actions and then change their mind. If you are God you are not perfect or all powerful you have neither things that make you worthy of worship as a God.
>>double major in philosophy and art history working on a masters in museum administration all from accredited public uni is bullshit
Of course, of course, which is why you picked....the Odyssey as your counter example.
Seriously, was that, like, the only classical secular work you could remember from high school? Why not reference Thucydides or Herodotus? You know, people with works relevant to the topic?
No, no, by all means you enjoy your *ahem* degrees and all that Bible learning you got in your non-religious based history courses. I wouldn't dream of trying to upstage you in a degree pissing contest!
Well, I was looking toward something similarly old and legendary instead of something like Bataille or Merleau-Ponty, but like I said, I feel like I'm being baited here, so I'll let you cats keep doing your thing.
Im not sure what school you speak of from this perspective possibly. But I do not mean to offend. You make it seem that you come from a prestgious school. I cannot confirm or deny this. I usually speak to my advisors first before doing certain things just to be safe.
Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War is a closer contemporary to the Bible as we know it than Homer's works, but whatever, you just go and let us do our "thang."
Possibly, but more than likely senator limpdick is just another basement dwelling faggot with a Wikipedia deep knowledge of basic high school history.
Way to give the benefit of the doubt though satan.
This is why I prefer a certain class of people and I tend to seperate a certain class of people in to seperate parts due to safety concerns.
And again I say this literally in the most non threatening non violent manner.
Oh, sorry, it's a meme from Walking Dead.
I was going to just post the image but then I realized it had a typo and it JUST MADE ME SO MAD.
But here it is anyway.
The Bible is more repetitive and explicitly tries to embed ideas using trite association and rhetorical implication. Notice how Jesus never gives a straight answer. He talks like a man possessed. If you've ever read the Bible, he literally sounds like a raving lunatic.
The bible is word of god, not some childish fairytale. Through the whole old testament is spoken about the coming / birth of Christ. And it happened, and so went the world into a new covenant through Christ, who died, and rose to defeat the sins of man.
A lot of future predictions the Bible made actually happened in this generation. There is no denying it and I hope sincerely that all of those who do not believe it will have their eyes opened and will open their hearts to the only Savior and God; Jesus Christ.
Research the OT it brings you to very interesting places around that area.
NT is a lot different, Christ's story and Paul's epistles are different segments, for we have the story of the Saviour (bringing man back to God) and Paul, who used to persecute Christians in those days who's conversion and testimony. It is to get us to believe in Christ and begin to seek out the Truth for ourselves.