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>>17251749
Where is this? That looks cool!
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>>17251860
Halso The Museum of Nature
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>>17251711
I don't see why this is always in spooky threads
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>>17251863
Thank you! That whole thing looks like a great visit.
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>>17251888
np I'd definitely like to walk around in the one in the pic that's here. There's something about artificially lit forests.
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>>17251898
its not real u dip. it is a cool picture though
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>>17252134
Those are just tomato plants

>>17252103
Story?
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>>17251711
Get him out of the water for fuck sake!!!
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>>17252218
i want to live here
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>>17252251
would be cool, it was built by one guy clarence shcmidt in the middle of a forest near woodstock, but it burnt down due to the high temperatures and all the reflective glass and roofing tar. the garden is full of old shit picked from dumpsters
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>>17251716
>>17251749
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>>17252348
needs more surreal.
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>>17252368
This image is really badass in my heart because how I imagined this went down is he said some straight up blasphemous shit and then just began to spaz out and levitate.
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>>17252368
looks like autoerotic asphyxiation in the 20´s
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>>17252273
Story: http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/07/the-ghostly-remains-of-yacht-mar-sem-fim.html
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>>17252348
R/I'm14andthisisdeep
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>>17252468
Or I liked Burning Man.
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>>17251716
is that a fish tank? thats awesome
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>>17252368
What is going on here?
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>>17252215
There's no fucking story. It's a picture found on google earth.
Why does every faggot and their whore mother assume there's a story behind every single fucking picture?
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>>17252922
I recommend leaving it unknown. The photo is more interesting that way. But if you really want to know.

http://www.wondercabinet.net/2012/05/01/big-ups/
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>>17252638
Nine years ago.jpg
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>>17252329
Am I supposed to see faces behind him?
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>>17253099
I don't know but be scared if you do. It's a postmortem photo.
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>>17252372

This image has also appeared on 4chan with a caption claiming that the two figures were stranded during a mishap/fire breakout, and that a helicopter could not possibly rescue them, and so they just burnt up there.

This seems bogus on multiple levels. First, the windmill is a smooth, slippery surface, so even if the fire reached you, instinct would eventually push you off rather than just cooking there while alive and in pain. second, it's got to occur to you pretty rapidly that maybe falling a few hundred feet offers a much better chance of survival than burning alive. Third, the helicopter could easily dangle a ladder IMO, but not knowing safety details, that's the one I won't question.
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>>17252289
Holy shit burn victims are the most scary
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>>17252285
>black klu klux klan
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>>17251716
>>17252885

Now that you mention it, the idea of "staging" the photograph inside a fish tank makes a lot of sense.

We often associate photography with snapshots, "authentic" random moments, etc. And now that photoshop has been around forever, we take image manipulation more for granted than ever before. However in the late 80s/early 90s there were a bunch of "art" photographers who would intentionally stage scenes or build sets, only to take a great big photograph of them. And that was how they practiced their art.

One of these was Cindy Sherman. The above picture really /feels/ like a Cindy Sherman, but I dunno.
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>>17252235

sauce??
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>>17252675
That seems like a disaster waiting to happen
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>>17253344
I'm pretty sure they jumped
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>>17253344
http://www.archipelagofiles.com/2014/03/this-photo-of-two-engineers-hugging.html

One jumped, one succumbed to fire and was evidently found still on the turbine.
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Does anyone have the one of giant pine trees?
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>>17253573
:^)
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>>17253608
Reminds me of the ending of Race with the Devil.
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>>17252343
oh look it's a fucking
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>>17252452
Jacob's Ladder?
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>>17251860

It's photo manipulation by a finnish artist. It's fucking awesome though. I'd love for it to be real.
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>>17252956
What's the story?
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>>17256433
Morning glory?
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>>17256450
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd maaaaybeeeee
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>>17256481
You gonna be the one that saves meeeeeeee
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>>17251716
New wallpaper
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I found these pics a few years back, and haven't found the source since...
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>>17256845
If anyone knows the name of the author, it'd be much appreciated
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>>17256852
It's from a book?
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A photo of the iceberg that sank the Titanic.
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>>17256658
Get rid of the toolbar and google search
New icon set
make a clock yourself
...sorry, still think I'm on /wg/
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>>17252321
before SAUCE?!?!?!?!?!?!??!
14 year old aussie retard hitched a ride on that plane through the landing gear, dislodged, ded
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>>17252279
Reminds me of a place I drive by everyday. The guy has his entire front yard filled with random rusty ols strange stuff like that. Porcelain dolls in glass boxes and teddy's on refrigerators and just random complete random chaos of things. I love it
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daily reminder for /x/fags
this is a list of things that are not scary, nor make shit surreal
doll parts
woods
multiple of a certain object
creepy faces
black and white
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>>17257117
>I'm arrogant enough to think I speak for everyone

come back when your balls drop
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Took these pictures at the beginning of January. Me and a buddy took a field trip out to White Cemetery (Illinois) and it's suppose to be very haunted.
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>>17256852

Two seconds with reverse image search.
"Daniel Danger"
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>>17257318
This one I forgot to hold my breath for, but it looks spooky
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>>17257330
I'm not super attuned to supernatural stuff. Just kinda casually interested for fun, but my buddy said the air was "too still", and didn't have a "restful, peaceful feeling, like most graveyards do".
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>>17257356
This one has an interesting shape coming off the gravestone
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>>17257392
and then there's this one.
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>>17257080
theres a whole wikipedia page for people that have done this
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>>17257117
>I think I can blanket over the artistic merit for an entire movement.
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>>17252134
>mgla
hey poland. you have some good black metal
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>>17252230
this is amazing. source? i want to use this as an album cover
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>>17252143
something about this really unsettles me; I think it's how small humans are compared to our creations.
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>>17251716
More like this?
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>>17252956


Because there is a story you mongoloid. You just don't know the story. Just fucking say that instead.
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>>17257393
For those interested, this is the Grand Palais in Paris, you can still visit it today, mostly art exhibits now.
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>>17251703
I don't know why but something about this is really off-putting.
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>>17253632
Heh
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>>17252368
dan bilzerian hung himself?
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>>17256845
Thanks for posting these anon, really ace to find an amazing artist like this
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>>17252143
holy shit this makes me so uncomfortable, more like this please
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>>17253582
Wtf is that Vvardenfell or some shit?
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>>17252359
>Can't keep Chad variations out of her life
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>>17252359
>wherehaveallthegoodmengone.png
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>>17251711
shieet
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>>17251711

Someone explain this pic? I dun see the spooky
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>>17257655
loveee that movie.first half other than the acid trip was drawn out. but the 2nd half was great.
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>>17253017
10/10
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>>17257783

Looks like a kudzu infestation.
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Honestly this channel scares me
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCInYh014qu8ORKnRFjgj_gQ
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>>17253554

God I want to live there so badly.
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>>17253582
;_;
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>>17253554

I want to at least know where this is. That forest is fucking gorgeous.
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>>17252359
imagine the stank
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>>17252215
>tomato plants
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>>17257463
love it
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>>17252452

Photographer is Joel Peter Witkin. He is great.
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>>17253435
>dorifto paradise.jpg
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>>17262073
Anyone know anything about this?
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