I feel like a telekinesis thread could be fun. What are your guys' thoughts on this? Not really paranormal, then again all the serial killer/tulpa/dream threads aren't either. I've been trying to read about telekinesis and shit. Any of you guys tried this? Got it to work? Pic unrelated.
Impossible. Beyond the known forces of gravity, electromagnetism, and strong/weak nuclear force, there's nothing else.
Think of what's needed for these forces to influence anything. A force that could overcome gravity by itself (the weakest force) using only your brain is just a flat out impossibility. There are ways of getting apparent telekinesis with technology but that's about it.
This is one of those seemingly scientific stances that's actually very unscientific. Yes, correct, currently we do not know of anyway for energy to cross space without taking the form of a particle or exerting itself on the intervening matter. This is true. However, there is not necessarily cause to rule it out entirely.
We should not, of course, believe that there IS such a method of exerting for at a distance simply because we want to or because it COULD exist. We need first to discover verifiable phenomena which appear to make use of it, or at least make use of none of the other methods of energy transfer we know of.
But anyway yeah, as far as I know there's nothing, no condition of our current understanding of the equations, rules, and laws which govern physics which utterly REFUSE such a force exists. But we do not have any term to describe it or evidence of its existence.
The real impossibility is again, if some fifth force exists, the power/energy needed for it to overcome even the weakest of forces we know is impossible to be generated by the brain. The question was about telekinesis, not about a fifth force.
>I wrote a story once about a secret covert ops group of psychic soldiers, and I decided on some physics to keep the story grounded. Lifting an object through psychokenesis would anchor it to you, and all opposite forces would be transfered to you, so you could only lift what your body could handle. Also, it works through electrical impulses through some sort of mutation, which allows their nerves to contact the air around them and manipulate it, like synapses. Through training, they could make fire out of thin air or even fly, if they anchored themselves properly.
Not true. You're about 60 years behind the science. Read on...
Yes and no. What about quantum entanglement? Einstein's "spooky action at a distance". This is an observed reality, measured in experiment first in 1964 and then in an upgraded sort-out-the-bugs experiment just last year.
Something is acting on those paired particles from 'behind the scenes' of our normal observable universe.
Minor telekinesis, but I can sometimes have very long runs of influencing dice. Recently got my kid to do it, they can do it too. Makes for interesting games of snakes and ladders.
Inb4 casino. Maybe will try it one day.
I don't know about macro telekinesis, but micro telekinesis (telekinesis on small scale) works. I tried with some paper (a 5cm square), in a closed room, without wind, without any kind of force that wouldn't be me. Paper moved.
It required several time trying it, and is fairly energy consuming (I felt tired) but it fucking worked.
Just my experience, no RPing. I'm not even an occult guy, I'm just curious.
Telekinesis would be so awesome if properly applied. Everyone seems to first think about picking up and throwing cars or force choking someone, but imagine being able to perform a perfect surgery without the limits of your hands, or vibrate/stop atoms to heat or freeze them, possibly even build a house in a day on your own.
Honestly, I imagine the most I would use it for would be to float myself around or multitask even harder, but I would love to live in a society where that potential existed for everyone.
Why isn't telekinesis real? Why are we so flawed and bound to our physical limitations in this flawed physical world?
Don't think it's possible but hey if it is. First one to achieve them should go full blown Tetsuo
The fuck are you on about m8? Everyone knows information cant be transferred faster than the speed of light. Entanglement doesn't send information so even if its instant it literally does nothing.
>Entanglement doesn't send information so even if its instant
You are contradicting yourself in one sentence. Read the link I posted. Shit if the Daily fucking Mail can explain it to their readers, you should have a chance, numbnuts.
I'll break it down for you. Entangled pairs of particles act as if they are one system. If you separate them out, put a big space in between them then change a quality of one particle, the other particle changes instantaneously. That is, at the exact same fucking time.
Now there are two ways you can view this. First, that there is "information" travelling across the space inbetween the particles, faster than light. And/or, that the particles are both "attached" to something at the quantum level, that is, beyond the universe of our usual observation, and the four forces.
The experiment shows that something in our universe can be affected by something else in this universe at a distance, and that the effect is not a result of the four forces.
Do I need to show you the grade I got in modern physics? Because I think an A- is pretty good.
Quantum entanglement does not relay information. The speed of light is the hard limit in this universe for speed of everything. That includes information.
So yes the rotating of one particle and another miles away is instant and we say they are entangled, but again it is impossible for this to carry information.
942 there is right. The problem is that you can't communicate your discoveries. The information "may" travel that fast (Bell experiments say yes, whole thing is still loose theory,) but verification still takes place at the speed of light limits. In short, we can't demonstrate that we got faster than light results until we've engaged in light speed affirmation. End result, actual communication doesn't take place faster than the speed of light.
And for reference :
>Shit if the Daily fucking Mail can explain it to their readers,
That statement right there should have been your wake up call. If the Daily Mail said it, pretty much 100% odds that there's some error in the information.
What part of 'instantaneous' don't you understand? And stop fucking talking about faster than light anyway. That's not the relevant part of this.
That would be, that something distant in space can be affected by something else, and the means of that effect is not one of the four forces.
...what part of NOT FUCKING INFORMATION are you not understanding exactly? The fact its instant is a moot point if it can transfer no information or signal. Its called entanglement and yes its just a trait inherent in some particles. There's nothing else it can do since the entanglement is broken the minute you try to take a measurement directly.
I strongly suggest you read a book or two on quantum theory. Entanglement isn't a force that can be used for anything practical. And certainly not telekinesis.
>Entanglement isn't a force that can be used for anything practical
Maybe not, but to go back to the reason I replied, your comment,
>Beyond the known forces of gravity, electromagnetism, and strong/weak nuclear force, there's nothing else.
Well, there patently is 'something else'. Entanglement itself may not be capable of exerting force on something but it certainly does show that there is something else going on outside of the observable universe.
It's a little like looking into an almost completely unknown ocean, and being the first person who ever saw a whale, talking to the first person who ever caught a sea bass. They're like, no way man, there's no such a thing as whales, couldn't possibly be, see this sea bass, it's only so big. S'OK bro, you believe whatever you like.
Oh yeah, and spoon bending. Does that count as telekinesis?