>>17240967 >Why then is his path so convoluted? His moral teachings are there, but why is his meditation path so hidden?
Well it's not really hidden at all, but people like the idea of epic quests. The best place to hide treasure is in plain sight. The only reason to put it in a fort is to draw attention to the fact that it's treasure.
People also make the mistake of assuming that perfect emulation will lead to the same outcome every time, which is not the case.
Just because you followed in Siddhartha's exact footsteps does not guarantee you Buddhahood at the conclusion of your journey.
Buddha operates on a principle of "the more words you use to describe or explain a perception, the further that perception is from the truth."
Same principle as jokes, really. You either get them or don't- and even if you still laugh after it's explained, it's never as funny.
>>17241021 I'm a bodhisattva, for the time being. Most of my path lay in westernized traditional Zen. First time I saw "One Punch Man," I couldn't stop laughing because it's entirely about the joke of "enlightenment."
I can explain it to you if you like, but it might take a bit, and it probably won't be as helpful to you if I do.
>>17240967 He looks like an indian to me. Maybe he looks nonIndian to you bcoz of his fair skintone.In ancient times Indians use to have fair skintone bcoz of their good diet and lifestyle,even in our time you can take a look at indian monks (Buddhist,Jain and hindu) they look better than average indian.
>>17241008 Seriously though I appreciate your responses.
>>17241029 I had to Google what the term meant and I didn't know there was a word for it. I feel like that all the time, I'm just muddled by my own lack of self-discipline and feelings of hopeless and overwhelmed of where to start.
Ive never seen the show and don't know much about Buddhism so they would be wasted on me.
>>17241039 I do suppose with him coming from a rich background he was possibly not as exposed to the elements as most Indians would be.
>>17241112 >>17241102 >>17241085 Reminder that Jesus was white because David was white because Cain was white because Cain's real father, Enki, aka the Serpent, aka the "devil" who is actually humanities REAL father, and the TRUE God was white, and Jesus' Father/God is the serpent from Eden.
>>17242608 exactly., what is your point? if you meet the buddha, kill him because if you believe you are enlightened and better, you arent. The road is yor spiritual path, the buddha represents yourself.
What do you guys think of the fact that the dali lama will be appropriated by China once the current dali lama passes away? There will literally be a false dali lama complete with a false following to go on for ages until the end of time, all in the name of squashing any sort of independent spirit of Tibet.
>>17242839 senpai, its a metaphor. if your on a spiritual path, and you think you are buddha, and you feel that you are sooo great and so holy, it means youre just lost in another ego again. you have to kill that.
the road is a metaphor for you spiritual road or path.
>>17242915 lol you'll realize. the physical will melt into maya and you'll see the prana coursing through all things. you will be all things. you'll know you exist because of everything around you and that you are one with everything around you. but not only will you know, you'll see it as infinite rays binding all things to the infinite.
To "kill the Buddha" means to kill your concept of Enlightenment.
It's not about killing your ego or killing a guy who claims to be the buddha.
If you're clinging to an idea of enlightenment, that ain't it. So kill that thing so you can move on.
Enlightenment is beyond words and ideas.
By clinging to a concept of it you are deluding yourself in believing that you can achieve it. It's a merry go round created by your mind to keep you thinking that you're getting somewhere when you're avoiding the only real thing that's here.
How many steps do you have to take to find reality?
>>17241208 Actually first I'm black, second the belief that Cain is white comes from the Hebrew Israelites(black supremacist group) who believe Cain was white and use that to condemn all white people and state that all white people are murderous savages.
Not >>17240869, but he's referring to one of a duo of statements made by Linji, a Chinese Zen monk.
The second one is "If you meet your forefather; kill him."
Normally, this is explained non-violently by saying that it means to tell anyone calling himself a Buddha that he's missing the point of Buddhism. This is a valid interpretation in the sense of correct doctrine, but it isn't want Linji meant.
Linji meant that a Buddha has no desires, and so wouldn't care if he was killed, and moreover is trying to achieve nothingness in the first place. This is the same reason he tells you to kill your forefather (As opposed to your father, who would still be alive;) so that you would never be born. The grand father paradox, and again this is what a Buddhist is striving for.
But there's a deeper meaning to the koan; a Buddhist doesn't want anything, including to be without desires. He doesn't care if he has desires or not. From one incarnation to another, he just goes with the flow, back to the source.
And when you get to the source, you realize that by going to the other shore, you didn't wind up someplace new - you just made it to the other side of the Atlantic. Desire is an innate part of samsara, and can't be eliminated. From nothingness came desire, and back into nothingness desire will go.
So, you choose a pleasurable incarnation. Moreover, you wake up to the fact that you've picked every incarnation.
>>17246615 Contrary to popular belief, Enlightenment isn't actually the point of Buddhism at all. It's more besides the point, really.
Buddhism is about adhering to the precepts that the Buddha created. He created a lifestyle for people that attempts to ease their suffering to as little as possible. It won't free you, but it will allow you to feel more happy and secure, so that you can live your life harmoniously.
Freedom for the Buddha was only important for his own journey. He spoke of enlightenment only as a possibility, not as a goal because he didn't believe that enlightenment was for everybody. What the Buddha intended to do with his religion was to make people live a dharmic life, not to become liberated.
People mistake Buddhism as a strict path for Enlightenment which is what creates the confusion. Because anybody who looks into Gautama's Buddhism sees that Enlightenment isn't actually the point at all.
Zen Buddhism seems the only one sect that makes enlightenment the central focus, and it has little to do with Gautam Buddha's teachings, and more to do with the enlightened masters that started the sect.
>>17247762 All have an inner and outer structure. One is the faith of the people, usually syncretic hogwash mixed with what little useful philosophy the dirt farmers have managed to throw together. That is the dharmic life you speak of and sum up rather well. The inner path is that of the monk. It is the fast road. It is the light that guides the masses. Enlightenment of all beings is definitely the point, but the timeframe so slow that it's hard to even call it anti-natalist.
At the heart of zen is the same heart, the same sutras, the same rules and regulations and interpretation. The only difference is the approach.
>>17248126 Thanks for the clarification. I was indeed talking about the dharmic lifestyle that's tailored more towards householders, farmers, and worldly people in general.
There is indeed that inner path of the monk, which I see most pronounced in the Zen tradition. Although, I have to say that Zen is a very fast and straightforward approach to enlightenment, but that the other monastic sects of Buddhism seem less invested in it.
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