>>17233589 I've seen some people say that Earth is one of the most unpleasant places to incarnate, but that also offers the most potential for learning and spiritual growth, so that's why a lot of people keep reincarnating here.
There is existence. Existence has and always will be. It is whole and complete. Never born, never dies.
Within Existence, universes appear. Time and space appear. Eventually organic life appears, and beings like us are eventually born. Who are these beings that come to life and die? On a relative level, they have names and identities. But outside of the relative level, who are they?
They are all the same. They are all Existence itself, coming to form and receding out of it, like waves in an ocean.
Outside of relative perspective, time and space, there is really only the one Existence taking birth as each and every being. There is only one being. That is reincarnation.
>>17233556 There are countless universes, each with countless habitable planets for both gross and subtle bodies.
>>17233589 >why do people always assume they're reincarnated from life on earth? It's more likely - the people here have a lot of karma tied up with each other.
>>17234213 It's in the middle of the planetary systems - the heavenly planets are too nice to induce souls to want to leave, the hellish planets fill one with suffering to the point of not being able to think, Earth is just right of keeping awareness of suffering alive, but allowing one respite from it in order to find a permanent solution to it.
>>17235058 >>17235074 I have heard this idea before, but I haven't seen it come from anything but speculation. In the Gita, it is mentioned that souls within material existence are manifest and unmanifest on the days and nights of Brahma.
>Bg 8.18 — At the beginning of Brahmā’s day, all living entities become manifest from the unmanifest state, and thereafter, when the night falls, they are merged into the unmanifest again. >Bg 8.19 — Again and again, when Brahmā’s day arrives, all living entities come into being, and with the arrival of Brahmā’s night they are helplessly annihilated.
From this and other passages in the Bhagavatam, I would say at the end of this universe (heat death or Crunch or whatever), anyone still in Maya will go into a "soul-coma" and will restart activity when the universe begins anew.
The universe has a beginning, and science tells us it will eventually be too cold to support life as the galaxies drift apart and heat dissipates. So eventually, life cannot reincarnate as the universe ends. The main reason reincarnation is false however, is the introduction of new souls as the population grows. There must be a creator.
Think of it like a fractal. You start at one point which splits into two which split into 3 then so on.
If individualized souls exist, then your soul could be one part of many sets of souls. Your soul could have a different set of incarnations than another. But ultimately, your soul and another soul aren't different. They are the source itself. Not apart from it, not a fragment of it, but fully the source itself.
The one appears as the many.
It may get truly complicated how souls work. Who knows. I'm not a Yogi so I can't tell you. There could be sets of souls that split off into more souls that split of into more, and then one of those splits is you in this lifetime.
You can think about this on your own and make your own assumptions. You just have to step out of limited perspective of space and time (beginning and end). You also have to step out of your belief in individuality and relativity. Go think in absolutes.
Existence is infinite because boundaries only exist in relativity. Existence always is because that's what it is. There is no such thing as nothing. Nothing is a negative.
So Existence is, has, and always will be. If that is the case, and here we are waking up in our own individualized lives.. then beyond our limited identity, who really are we?
From one point of view, you could say I am so and so soul with x number of incarnations so far. But from the absolute point of view, differences are moot. There are no others. There is just existence.
>>17235771 That's only one universe, and the beginning we can witness is only the dawn of the current day of Brahma.
>the introduction of new souls as the population grows There are no "new" souls. Jiva-tattva is eternal, and infinite. There are a limitless number of living entities, and while our existence is dependent on Krishna, we were never created in the same way that Krishna was never created.
Your soul is got rest in someplace while you want or while you havent a place somewhere. OR Suffer and wait to salvation.
In the Earth you can experience all of these feelings. So you can prepare what wait for you. And you can do decision when you wanna evolve.
The Earth is just a gömbölyű mountain what you need to climb.. or fall from it to a gleccser. Sometimes it happen a lot of time in a "person" life. But the strongest can climb out of the deepest hole ever.
>>17233589 The same reason a drop of water is attracted to the nearest drop of water. Path of least resistance. Reincarnation is real. We have already chosen our paths. The object is the not decide which path to take. It's not to understand why we chose it. It's to take the path for what it is. Life is suffering, suffering comes from desire. When you can overcome your own desire you will no longer reincarnate. You will reach enlightenment and move to the next level
>>17236711 The next level or what the Buddhists believe is nirvana, is probably just another choice. Another lesson. I don't know what our true form is. Conscience thought is a wonderful, beautiful thing. I believe in a deterministic universe, so this life and my next and my last will exist forever. Maybe nirvana is a chance to reflect on all of them. Maybe try again. The universe is a closed system so it's only natural for everything, including conscienceness, to recycle like everything else
>>17236730 When I say you learn a lesson. I mean your true form, outside physicality. Or maybe it is just entertainment. Something to kill time. I don't believe in right and wrong. How can there be right and wrong in a deterministic universe? There is only creation and destruction. Those who create are close to God or divine. Those who destroy are just as close
>>17236743 The thought of truly letting go is very attractive. Having the power to be powerless. Maybe that's what Christians mean when they talk about giving themselves to God? Blind faith? All I know is that it would be very hard to truly let go. Even a single thought or consideration is probably some sort of attachment to desire and control
Time is the universes way of stopping everything from happening at once.
Time is relative so I think it's possible to live an eternity in an instant. When people say they see their lives flash before them is a good example. Maybe that's what heaven is? The moment of death and the last few neurones firing to create a paradise. Or a hell. Depending on whether you can let go or not
>>17236769 The earth has only been around for 5 billion years. Conscience beings, maybe 1/2 a million or so. Maybe longer. But maybe we were here from the Big Bang? Or actually, we definitely were. As everything in the universe today was. We are the universe. We are not seperate. We are the earth. We are star dust
>>17236784 We are the universe experiencing itself by basically RPing so hard with itself that it forgets it's real self. I mean, how could any of us, or anything else for that matter be separate from the one thing that contains all, and expresses itself as all. The universe is all and nothing at the ssme time, which is why it's infinite.
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