>>17217461 I usually just try to relax as much as possible and not really think of anything. I can't do it for very long but you can start to tell the difference between mind "noise" and real thoughts that come to you during it. I've never read any material on meditation or been taught though so I could be completely off. Still it's a calming exercise and I definitely feel less stressed and more in sync with myself when I'm done which I think is the point.
>>17217461 Think about nothing. It's known to be difficult. Just kind of let your body and mind exist. Your mind will swarm all over the place in the first couple of minutes of trying to relax, but you just have to bring it back to naught. It's difficult for some people of western cultures to really get that nothingness, so focusing on your breathing is a good first step.
ITT Overeducated white weeaboos talking about Eastern cultural elements as though they invented them. Just because you put on yoga pants and pontificate like self-important prices, that doesn't mean you aren't just idiots shrieking into the void in an effort to shake off the futility of your life.
Try and count your breaths. Slowly and deeply, be aware of them. Be aware of everything but don't dwell on those thoughts. If you head itches, let it itch. If your ear itches, let it itch also. Just be there. Don't try and control your world, be comfortable with how things turn out. Do that for about 15 minutes and you'll feel great. Most importantly, don't feel bad if while meditating your mind wanders and you become lost in your thinking. Just start back thinking about your breathing, and try to focus. Meditating is a discipline that takes years to master. Good luck OP
>In Christian mysticism, contemplative prayer or contemplation, for which the Greek term θεωρία theoria is also used, is a form of prayer distinct from vocal prayer (the recitation of words) and, strictly speaking, from meditation (a form of mental prayer, also called methodical prayer, based on discursive reflection on various considerations
>In Christianity, Lectio Divina (Latin for "Divine Reading") is a traditional Benedictine practice of scriptural reading, meditation and prayer intended to promote communion with God and to increase the knowledge of God's Word. It does not treat Scripture as texts to be studied, but as the Living Word
>The Cloud of Unknowing (Middle English: The Cloude of Unknowyng) is an anonymous work of Christian mysticism written in Middle English in the latter half of the 14th century. The text is a spiritual guide on contemplative prayer in the late Middle Ages. The underlying message of this work suggests that the way to know God is to abandon consideration of God's particular activities and attributes, and be courageous enough to surrender one's mind and ego to the realm of "unknowing," at which point, one may begin to glimpse the nature of God.
>>17221692 Nobody said, that the west did not/does not practice meditation.
It's the same with "yoga". The west invented "gimmick yoga". Just another thing to do. However, that is not what yoga is. Therein lies the nature of the western mind and that is what was adressed in my post.
There are evidently rare cases of real understanding of what meditation and yoga is. Even in the east this is no different nowadays. It's the same confusion everywhere.
>linking wikipedia Ouch. That is what the other poster meant by overeducation. I don't say wikipedia is wrong. But the practice of meditation is even alot older than any of your links. All around the world. And evidently so.
And then came wikipedia. It killed everybody. Because with just a few clicks you can "git smart".
>>17217555 >i'm insecure and useless so i have to mock everything i'm not interested in, even when there's scientific proof that meditation provides positive benefits for people in a lot of situations.
Information won't get you anywhere. Meditation itself did not arise out of information. And there is alot of misinformation about it.
The meditation that happens of itself is the meditation you want.
In zen they would probably say, that you do not produce hiccups on purpose to enlighten yourself.
>>17222011 Funny, that is exactly what I could say in return to you.
But I'm not gonna do it. Just incase you are right I am going to put that humility into practice and say: Yes, obviously I must be the worst. Otherwise you could not experience yourself as "better" or "the best".
I hope you can enjoy this moment of egoism together with me.
>>17217461 yes. before you experience peace, you get bombarded by your own thoughts. this is the startingpoint, but just if you get distracted by them. it´s like you learn to control your body again. heard about crazy monks, they gained so much controll that they could regulate their heart to stop. like manually breathing
>>17222237 Yes information is a good start for many things.
Information alone can make you walk in circles more than anything else. It is how you understand information. How you handle it.
Western world is very good at gathering lots of information and regarding those with the most information as the most intelligent people.
I've seen plenty of people suffer from many illnesses chiefly because of an accumulation of too many contradictive informations.
The fundamental difference between "east & west" can be explained nicely with a saying that goes like: "The scholar learns a thing a day. The Taoist unlearns a thing a day."
One goes away from natural and practical meditation while the other goes towards it.
All Masters of this Meditation always refer to balance.
Now I write alot about something that is best when it comes naturaly.
With many years of experience I came to say, that mans natural state is what people are looking for when they say meditation. With this what can almost be labeled "addiction for information" they gradualy wander away. But they will eventually return, and then they will understand. However, having "wasted a good amount of time", if something like this is a thing for somebody.
>>17217461 Ever had a lucid dream or a night terror where you can't move at all? It's like being awake but your body is asleep.
I like to think that this is what meditation is exept you do i on purpose so your body is calm.
try do this, sit down crossed legs, try to relax your neck in a way that it is upright but wont fall, keep your back straight, make your body stop moving fully, keep your mind awake but let our body sleep, try to clear ou head as much as you can, It takes a long time and alot of patience to master it but its really relaxing and it feels like your in a trance, but Its like you can still tell what is chaging in the room its really weird.
defo worht trying to get into deep medition, just try to breathe into the nose and out throught the mouth at a calm pace.
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