I believe in a creator/higher power as well as the human soul but I am struggling to find out what the proper spiritual path is. Ive read the Bible and Quran and neither have helped me find what Im looking for. The Abrahamic religions have to many cotradictions for me to accept. I tried getting into Hare Krishna and reading the bhagavad gita and even read some buddhist scriptures and all of these religions seem made up. But I know for a fact that there has to be some kind of supernatural entity that created and sustains life. I can't bring myself to atheism no matter how much I want to some times. Wat do /x/? I know I have a soul and want to follow the correct path but I need some kind of belief system. Why does "God" have to be so reclusive? I just want the truth.
Out of curiosity, what was it about islam that convinced you? I just finished reading the Quran recently and though parts I really liked, Allah seems like petty control freak. Also why couldn't he get his story straight with the Torah and Injil? Why did he let it get corrupted and then send muhammad? Genuinely curious
Also why did he let humanity worship literally tens of thousands of deities and then make it really clear thousands of years later than those who don't worship Allah will burn? What was the point of letting all these "false gods" get worship for thousands and thousands of years? It doesn't make any sense
there is only one true belief.
when you die, you go to a plain of literature, infinite volumes connected to infinite doors, connected to each other to allow all variety of concepts ideas and possibility.
everything is possible.
this is the heaven which allows free will.
it matters not if you believe in it or not, most likely.
every other heaven involving realms held to any sort of constraint is merely an amalgamation of this core reality.
I'm actually not really scared of death, I'm more scared of being punished/judged by a God in this life. I have a severe phobia of injury called Traumatophobia, and I get constant thoughts that God/deity will punish me by castration or random burns. Yeah I should probably see a therapist but fuck it. This usually happens on days I watch a lot of porn or think about fucking my friends wife.
I'd suggest reading up on Jediism.
It incorporates elements from many major world religions under the banner of a monistic "Force" which is akin to both the law of compresence of opposites from Taoism and the Brahman of Advaita Vedanta.
The way to truth is by understanding the Force.
There are more than a few good programs out there, but the training provided by the Institute of Jedi Realist Studies and the Temple of the Jedi Order are by far the best, in my opinion.
>I am struggling to find out what the proper spiritual path is
There is none, if there really is a higher being and power to the universe, it doesn't give a shit what rituals you do in the morning hoping fits it's esoteric interests. You're better off worshiping the Central City Rouges.
yeah, i've been having the same problem, kinda.
i get a different feeling due to situation.
but basically, the karmic reason is that feeling bad about something makes us feel more karmically justified.
as a soul in the inhabitant, we can recommend changes to individual facets of karma,
i say that we change this one specific thing.
because we only feel more justified.
the actually justified is to do anything that you choose to, because free will exists, and for that the universe has no clause.
although, karmic justification is justification too.
but not like, the only justification, just an extra bit.
all heavens are guaranteed, in the library.
I've heard this cliche a million times
"You gotta find the inner God!"
its BS. I'm weak not God like. I get injured and feel pain. My flesh is extremely fragile. What happens when I get some kind of disease? Am I still God? It just sounds like bullshit. I know people that believe it though I wish I could understand. I don't feel God inside me at all. i feel like a little weak man
>Why does "God" have to be so reclusive?
God isn't reclusive. The joke is that God is in plain sight.
Since you can't seem to find any conviction in scriptures, why not try an experience? Go meditate or drop some acid or something. Maybe that will have an effect on you.
IMO, if there is an omnipotent creator god, he doesn't need any sort of books, rituals, or gimmicks, and probably wouldn't give much of a shit whether we believe in and/or worship him or not. If he speaks to us, it would simply be what we call our conscience. His main concern for judgement (if he were fair) would be based on what we do and how we treat each other. You know if you've done something bad like wronging someone. You can try and justify it, sure, but part of you still knows it just excuses. We should all be able to agree on basic things like the golden rule, don't kill people, don't take their shit, and generally don't be a fucking dick.
I've gone through something similar to yourself, OP. I can't tell you what to believe or say for certain what is true or not. Personally, I think each religion may contain certain parts of the truth, but no single one contains the full scope. I believe it possible that all gods from all religions are just as likely to exist, but are like "lesser" gods compared to the creator. I don't see anything wrong with aligning oneself to one of these other gods, seeing as how they may be on a closer level to us than the top dog, like a kind of hierarchy or something. So I took the time to evaluate what sort of values and ideals I hold highest for myself, and chose a deity that matched that the closest. If you're into fighting, warring, etc., maybe go with someone from the Norse pantheon. If you're all about sports, physical activity, good spirited competition, maybe consider Nike or someone similar from the greco-roman, or Poseidon if you're a sailor. Maybe you like nature, and want to get closer to Gaia, or you value the sun (Praise the Sun!) and want to offer prayer or thanks to Apollo or Horus. Maybe look into your family's history and consider where your roots are from. I have Roman ancestry in my family, and value knowledge, so I worship Minerva (aka Athena).
It's all up to you, find your own path.
>Out of curiosity, what was it about islam that convinced you?
Don't expect an answer on that one. I bet my right testicle that he was just brought up in a muslim household, and that he's been indoctrinated since he uttered his first "Inshallah" that Islam is the truth, and that the Qur'an is a literary masterpiece.
I even bet my left testicle that he's been lied to and told that his religion is the "true religion of peace" as well.
I'm in a atheist OP and I believe in the power of the universe as a sort of force. The universes legends and myths are brought by the universe for some reason. The universe strives for balance always, which is why humanity will have dark and good times. The universe sends cryptids a do supernatural beings to enforce its rule. Dogmen for instance are to guard something that we should not see, ghosts and demons are to bar us from learning forbidden knowledge. It's impossible to understand the universe because we are but a flick of dust, I like to look at it from lovecrafts perspective that we are so small we don't matter, all the universe wants his balance.
Now for believing in this is my own perspective but I hope you can find something OP. Just don't kill people over imaginary friends, the universe will strike back in some way in the present or future. Just like the crusades right now we are feeling the Muslim population booming because the universe deemed Christians were to big.
>when you die, you go to a plain of literature, infinite volumes connected to infinite doors, connected to each other to allow all variety of concepts ideas and possibility.
So the Library of Babel? That might be neat.
Do you really want the full truth, or just what makes you feel good?
The truth is that there are no Gods, demons, afterlife, supernatural anything, or mystical forces.
What there is, is much more grand than anything religions have imagined.
There's our home, Earth. It formed 4.5 billion years ago when a cloud of dust and gas, perhaps gravitationally disturbed by a passing star, began to collapse in on itself. It first formed a lumpy disk, with most of the matter gravitating to the center and becoming our Sun, while the remaining lumps merged with each other to become the planets, moons, and other bodies.
For a while our planet was hot and molten, with no chance for life. When it cooled down enough for liquid water to form and an atmosphere to be retained, life formed quite quickly. This early Earth was a giant pot of chemical reactions, and through trial and error, via the sheer enormity of combinations that went on, some of the resulting molecules had a truly magical quality: self-replication. They made copies of themselves. These copies weren't always perfect, and some were more able to undergo chemical reations to replicate themselves. Some were able to form chemical walls around themselves for greater resilience. With replication, variation, and selection, you have all the incredients for biological evolution, and life truly began.
You can read more about the story of life by studying natural history, a field that many have devoted their entire lives to and found a rich sort of natural spirituality in without needing to conjure up stories of gods and magic. The story of life on Earth, and the story of how us humans were able to figure out that story from the rocks of the Earth, is grand as it is.
But that's only one part of the rich world you live in. There is no poverty of meaning and purpose to be had. So far we've only talked briefly about our little planet, but the rest of the universe is there as well. Astronomy, cosmology, and physics are the fields that study this greater universe, and like natural history it has used ingenious methods to learn about the history of our universe. A telescope is a literal time machine; the farther you look, the further back in time you see, due to the speed of light. The Andromeda galaxy, our nearest large neighboring galaxy and visible even with the naked eye in a dark location, is 2.5 million light-years away, which means the light we see from it now is 2.5 million years old.
The natural world is a cathedral, the sky is a cathedral, but so are we. The history of humanity, though young compared to Earth and the universe, is another field filled with richness. This includes cultural and physical anthropology. This is our collective story, the stories of our species. It is still being written.
There's music, art, philosophy (the study of fundamental problems, including what knowledge is) political science, economics, mathematics, sociology (the study of societies and social behavior) psychology, business, medicine, agriculture, and an endless array of practical but no less vital and meaningful pursuits.
The world of knowledge is so vast that even the most dedicated cannot learn but a small sliver, and almost always they have to focus and specialize to make a professional contribution. This is why collaboration is so important to knowledge: one learns from what others have learned, works with them to expand scope and impact far beyond a single person, and checks each other's findings. Science and academia isn't a bunch of textbooks, it's a community with a long tail that touches anyone who learns, it's a conversation in the present and through time.
First off what is a religous belif system to you is it life rules to follow is it nature and spiruality or are you just asking yourself how was everything created, and who created it? so what are you asking exactly?
>along with a boundless fear i've been ripped from the universe in order to tell people without screwing things up.
So you see, there is no right path. There is no right religion. The right path, is your personal path.
All religions and branches are simply different expressions of the universe that lead back to the same source. A lot of bullshit as well obviously, but it serves its purpose for some people.
Seriously, dont go for religion and dogma. Its mostly bullshit. What you want to do instead, is starting to work with the forces of creation itself. Learn how to conjure the 7 archangels of the 7 spheres and how to communicate with them. Then start working with them.
Read the book "7 spheres" by Frater Rufus Opus. Do the initiations. Since he is a christian, it has a bit of a christian way to view things to it, so dont they everything at face value, but its a good start.
Seriously, religion is bullshit. Just honor the planets, honor the universe, honor mother nature. Learn how to work with the Gods and the Angels.
And yes, there are multiple Gods. The angels are not even christian, rather just neutral entities that fulfill a certain duties in the universe. You dont need to be christian to speak with them, they arent at all what christianity makes them out to be anyways.
Eh, won't happen, but I know these thoughts, its okay. I mean, Karma could come after you in whatever way possible, but I don't think the Gods care about you fucking your friends wife even in the slightest.
Karma might bite you in the ass though. Not even in a "punishment" way, its rather a purely mechanical concept of cause and effect. You reap what you saw kind of thing.
Well. Have you tried...not being a bitch?
OP, why don't you just look into Animism, specifically Native American stuff? Or Celtic Paganism (not wicca.) Or even certain Asian religions like Tengri?
This is actually something that makes sense to me, but I consider myself pagan. I agree that all the universe wants is balance. I guess where our difference is, is that I consider the universe as an ultimate being split in two. Yin and yang, black and white, male and female etc., etc. this affects things like planets and stars, which effects humans and how we react or influence. That being said, when we are aware of this, we can use the energies of the planets and stars to control our destiny.
It makes me happy to believe in so yeah.
Thank you for agreeing.
I mean, if the moon can influence the planet, how can it not influence humans (and other creatures for that matter). Also, our will for something to happen is a strong power that a lot of people don't realize they have.
The only thing you really need to believe is in God and His oneness. A formless god with some self imposed restrictions to accommodate free will. A god that is innately loving, yet devoid sometimes of caring.
you have spiritual experience. it is non-physical and abstract, like your mind is. the religions try to teach about spirituality, for different reasons.
i think, if you read the bible and koran, and didnt get anything from it, its because you wanted to get nothing from it. read them again, this time, like a work of fiction written by people who want you to understand the spiritual in some way
well, that was only because i was worried i might make whatever holds our viewpoints together upset.
upon observation, we seem to be doing it ourselves.
or, its on my side.
if what i just meditated is neat with you guys to.
any possible variations of the library would also be described in the library, and so attached.
connected libraries have their own way of organizing, but they are all connected, so that every library contains all world-space via attachment, including all other libraries.
[sorry, had to stabilize reality flow with our perceptions for a sec.]
welcome to fic-real.
this includes libraries in fictional settings.
due to the need for a setting to remain canon, any attempts to enter a fictional library will create a duplicate.
entering an extra of an already duplicated door will not create another,
and all world-space will be effected by you and any previous travelers.
when leaving, one can choose to save the door they left in the state as it is upon exit[in the form of a pocket notebook.]
what if the only possible sin i could have had was the that i knew about this here.
and everytime i accidently fuck something up that falls into fic reality i just get parranoid and talk about timeloops, and then i figure it out.
i think everything is literally fine now though.
we all get to go to the library until i finish actual perfect heaven.
because thats what i wanted to do after the arrangement.
because its a book i was going to write when opportunity happened,
although i dont know if any of you guys are real though.
i mean you guys might literally be fully fictional, if i got spun out.
or do i get a messiah complex for being right.
i mean, if we have the library, i could totally do either.