>>17194586 Why do atheists even bother living? I am being serious, philosophically, why bother? If no one is keeping score, why struggle against the meaninglessness of it all? If your just an animal, why not get put out of your misery then put forth the effort? Cant really understand it myself. If I did not believe in life being a sacred gift, id be murdering and robbing and raping and lying alot more. Why when you can get some much more done with being unscrupulous and duplicitous?
If human life is just a random outcome of infinite dice rolls, why not be as evil as you can get away with?
>>17198045 >Why do atheists even bother living? Because life is generally preferable to death. Not for everyone, but for me, certainly. > If no one is keeping score, why struggle against the meaninglessness of it all? Well, what humanity does in the grand view may be meaningless, but it sure isn't meaningless to humanity. It certainly isn't meaningless to me. >If I did not believe in life being a sacred gift, id be murdering and robbing and raping and lying alot more. Don't you think that says more about you than atheists? I don't do any of those things, because I don't like causing pain to others. >Why when you can get some much more done with being unscrupulous and duplicitous? Other than empathy and compassion? Those two things are a big reason why I'm not a criminal or a psychopath. If you lack those things, well... >If human life is just a random outcome of infinite dice rolls, why not be as evil as you can get away with? Because I'd rather be good. It really is that simple sometimes. You ask atheists why we should bother living. Why shouldn't we? I'm sorry you don't understand why we are the way we are, I'm just as confused as to why theists need some sort of threat of punishment to be decent people. I don't think that's a very flattering view of religion.
>>17198187 >So how do you define good? Actions that minimize pain and suffering for humanity, at it's most basic. >Why value compassion and empathy? Because they foster a sense of kinship and tend to encourage actions that help humanity as a whole. >Studies have shown concentrations of psychopathy in the most successful performers in the fortune 500. How would you refute a psychopath's grandiose self imagine as a superior evolutionary specimen in a post modern world? First off, I have no idea what "Superior Evolutionary Specimen" is supposed to mean. Evolution isn't a ladder, it doesn't have a goal in mind. There is no 'Superior' lifeform, unless you define 'superior' as being able to continuously pass on your genes and reproduce. In that case, every living species currently is 'superior' to the extinct ones. Second, I don't know if I can refute a psychopath's arguments. For one thing, our values are too different to make any headway, and I don't know that anything I say could convince them otherwise. After all, therapists do this for a living, and can attest to how difficult it is.
I agree with Sigmund Freud: Death is the one thing that humans can't imagine, as death means a complete, irrecoverable loss of consciousness... and it's impossible to imagine something without being conscious of it.
Since we can't think about it, we're better off when we don't even try.
>>17198045 >If I did not believe in life being a sacred gift, id be murdering and robbing and raping and lying alot more. So you already do those things, but you'd do them more often if you didn't believe? Very interesting.
What it essentially means is that, by selling your soul, you consign yourself to circumstances which will force you to one day do something that you do not want to do, hence, you suffer, your friends suffer, your children suffer
>>17198045 Well... People are socially co dependant, so it's self preservation not to murder other people over nothing, especially with laws It's kind of funny and scary at the same time thinking about religious people who feel this way, reminds me of when I was a child and my parents would say santa wouldn't reward good behavior with a reward in mind, only genuine good will Also people are sometimes as evil as they can get away with, as evidenced in your post where you say you'd do bad things if your good book didn't say they were bad
>>17198802 My widow being a he... God damn liberal science pushing the faggot agenda I want a gardener saying I'll be worm food, and I'll transfer my energy into the earth in a non-sugarcoated and new age bullshit type of way
>>17194586 sorry but i swallowed the light pill long time ago. The wolrd is not about a made up story. All the universe is here for you to experience it. you don't have to wait a reward at the end of your struggle with life. Life is the reward and you better enjoy it. By accomplishing yourself you rectify yourself and the world. The ultimate goal is to turn everything into light. And we are able to do this because the universe obey our will.
I don't really care about life, all I do is shoot opiates in my veins trying to evade depression
the 'afterlife' sounds like literal peace. nothing can touch or get to you, nothing can bother you, no time, no pain no worries no nothing, there isn't even a you
death is no some state of blackness or even nothingness you go into. rather death literally doesn't even really exist. I just see death as the end of 'this', as in the end of experiencing/being life. death is just life stopping/ending. there's nothing after
I have a negative view of life so this doesn't bother me. life is a burden to be honest. it stopping doesn't worry or bother me.
I tried to even kill myself in the past but I didin't die obviously. I used to want life to end, because I felt it was 'nothing' , as if like a fly buzing around in the distance, not significant, slightly bothersome, just swat it away
the only time that death can be a bad thing for you is while you're living. if you live and die without even knowing what life is, you can never be harmed by death. but because humans understand at least to some extent the future, our own death bothers us, we think, why do I struggle why do I live?
and there is no real answer. all I can think of is life is a byproduct of us avoiding pain. thirst is bad hunger is bad, pain is bad cold is bad not breathing is bad boredom is bad etc etc and so we constanly strive to avoid these things and continuing to biologically live is just a byproduct of this struggle against the pain and misery that constantly strikes and whips you, waiting everywhere to hurt you
does pleasure even exist? I'm not convinced. it's a testament to how bad life really is that the most addictive drugs are painkillers (opiates)
i think to myself, what would a good life be? lets say life was just pop into existence for 1 hour of heroin nod. would this be a good life? why even bother? once it's over it will be as if it never happened. heroin nodding isn't that great
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