Is Hell real?
And if so do drug abusers go?
[Even if they've already gotten clean]
No, if you read the bible and did your research, you would know that hell is a myth. Churches twisted the scripture which speaks of burning in "Gehenna" and told them that's where they go if they do not repent for your sins. The truth is, Gehenna was a place outside of Jerusalem where bodies were cremated and burned.
The bible says that the devil is on Earth, either way.
Lucifer is not Satan by the way.
It doesn't matter how "good" you are, you will never enter Heaven. Unless, you're perfect. That is why Jesus died for all your sins, was buried and rose again 3 days later.
Do you trust that Jesus did this for you?
>Now you are saved, if you said yes. And you can never lose your salvation.
I also believe lucifer is the devil, I just like to hear different opinions. Supposedly Lucifer is the first to resist God. And doesn't satan translate to resistor or something. I feel like Lucifer lost his name/title and turned into something ugly and sinister because he no longer has God's blessing. Lucifer was probably the most powerful angel. So powerful he thought he could exist without God.
Basically he fucked up
Lucifer was lucifer.
When he reblled against God, he became satan.
Satan just means adversary.
Lucifer was his literal name in Heaven, like Michael the archangel. Or Gabriel, or Uriel, etc. Just a name, satan is a title.
Like a guy name Jake becomes a serial killer. Now that guys name is jake, but his title is serial killer.
It's the same thing. Same filthy fallen angel.
Dude, I do know this I'm justing the name of the angel was Lucifer, was it not. I was correcting the guy that said Satan was angel. The being known as Satan was never angel. He became Satan when he resisted God, hence the meaning of his name
Uhh...I haven't seen all the pictures but I don't see anything wrong. Holy shit why do most of you here have such a negative reaction to Jesus? If it was the opposite and he was talking about satan you'd probably be like oh yeah herr derr you're so right and cool and edgy and rational...ahh it's honestly exhausting
No. It does not exist because it is a fictional consept created by the catholic church to get people to repent/turn to God/ i.e. give the curch a shit load of money
ill answer u anyway
its a spell HE (god) EYE EYE
holey war? yes
underground cities? yes
triangles /\ yes /\
hell is real if ur a xstcuck wussbabby who worships a dead kike on a stick lmao but if u r and u dont smoketh the el crack any more and u accebt the dead kike on a stick as ur personal queerpole then u get to go to heaven and suck off his kike daddy lmao *tips bedora* :D
Amen. These people don't realize the antichrist spirit they are influenced by, haha. So sad. I could post a thread about satan right now and nobody would take it down, but about Jesus, I'd get banned.
I'll post a couple of pictures, you can save them and post them in other threads. This is the type of pictures these people hate and ridicule:
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. - Heb 10:31
These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. - Rev 17:13
The bees are the demons, fallen angels and the queen bee is lucifer. Once the unsaved people become possessed, they're screwed.
The whole world pays homage to the beast and satan. That is how they become successful.
The jews have the star of remphan. It is pagan and satanic. The Bible condemns that symbol.
The all seeing eye is the eye of lucifer.
>a real thing and not just a social construct
m8 we're all abusing drugs 24/7 it's how we stay conscious
if you THINK it's bad and that it's some evil thing, and you agree with forces that would sweep you to hell because they also feel the same way, then enjoy roasting for literally nothing I guess
>The all seeing eye is the eye of lucifer.
The Symbol is used in the churches for the designation of Divine providence at least four centuries.
Psalms 33:18 ^
See, the eye of the Lord is on those in whose hearts is the fear of him, on those whose hope is in his mercy;
Psalms 33:19 ^
To keep their souls from death; and to keep them living in time of need.
Catholic churches, yes.
I already exposed the catholic church.
You do know the psalms are songs right? "Keep an eye on him" it has a certain meaning. It doesn't mean that the person being told to keep an eye on someone only has one eye.
Why do I even bother anymore, getting boring telling people this over and over again.
>You do know the psalms are songs right? "Keep an eye on him" it has a certain meaning. It doesn't mean that the person being told to keep an eye on someone only has one eye.
Weird. It's almost like human languages/cultures were created by us and that when viewed through the lens of different cultures or languages or even different centuries you could spin it to mean damn near anything you wanted.
There's plenty of proof in the Bible itself, it was written by God. There's 100 hour studies on youtube by Chuck Missler on Bible codes alone, not even a super computer today could have written the Bible.
>e was discovered in the 1700s.
Thanks for those pics I've been falling down the rabbit hole of this kinda stuff lately. What's sad Is that most people here aren't even mature enough to entertain the thought of Jesus, you would think he'd be right up /x/s alley but I guess not. I guess the implication of his existence is a little too heavy for most people
>Why do I even bother anymore, getting boring telling people this over and over again.
I have a calling to tell The Absolute Truth to people. This calling comes from the The Creator, the One True God.
Lo, THE LORD said, "Son, art thou bored?" "Verily, father." I responded. "Very well, my son. Fuck these bitches. Goest thou forth and playest thou some Bordlerlands."
God bless you, you're welcome. I want to make sure you're saved, so look at the pic I'm attaching. A lot of false teachers out there say you have to repent of your sins and have works etc to get saved, but salvation is simple.
You can checkout my youtube channel, I post stuff there quite frequently.
So if god is all powerful, all knowing and has created each and everyone of us personally, why does he rely on other, extremely fallible humans to communicate his message as opposed to simply communicate with each of directly?
I uploaded all of the pictures to 9gag. I don't only share it on here.
I'm the anon that commented on the 9gag watermark. I have always affirmed the historical reality of Jesus and his suffering, along with the intention behind it -- but I assume that it is a more intimate sort of trust and belief in the salvific nature of his sacrifice that ensures salvation? Is this correct in any way?
I don't have a Biblical answer for that. It does not say why God what He does, you'd have to ask Him. I can speculate though, based on all the things I know about God.
I do know is that when I started to believe in God, but had no idea which God was true, I just kept praying all the time, and I was humble, I wanted the truth more than anything no matter what it was.
And so I prayed to God, I used words like God, most high, almighty creator, creator of all, etc. And, I've had supernatural experiences a lot since then. (1 year ago almost to the day, I was saved.)
If it is still unclear what I'm trying to say is, you have free will. Are you spending time trying to find the truth? Right now you could start praying to God to show Himself to you, never be proud about it, always be humble. He will never answer someone that is proud or demanding. That is in the Bible.
Amen! Always good to see a brother on here.
That's alright my friend.
It is logically.
26 Then God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.
Honestly I don't really have an answer for that, I feel he does communicate with us directly you just might have to look inside yourself to find him. Or maybe it just isn't time yet for some reason
>But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
All you have to do to get saved, is to simply trust that Jesus died on the cross for YOUR sins. That He was buried and rose again 3 days later.
If you put your trust on Jesus, if you depend upon Him alone to get you to Heaven, you are now saved for eternity.
Do you trust that Jesus already paid for all your sins? Y_ N_ (It is that simple)
A lot of people will tell you that salvation includes having good works, repenting of your sins, all of these things. And they will take a book like James 2 and read it out of context.
The truth is, you can be saved and you can do all the things an unsaved person can do.
You SHOULD have good works, but it is not guaranteed, once you're saved. The Holy Spirit does not magically force you to do good works. It is a choice, like anything, because God gave us free will.
Yes, good post. :)
And by the way, you can never lose your salvation once you're saved. That is impossible. A lot of people tell you that to prove you're saved you have to have good works, or if you truly were saved you'd have good works, or if you sin you will lose your salvation.
That logically makes no sense and the Bible never teaches it. If Jesus paid for ALL your sins, past present future, how can you then commit a sin that sends you to hell?
So, once you're saved, that's it. You are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the resurrection. And most people wont have many works, they will be babes in Christ for years usually. A new born baby doesn't eat meat right away. Same with a Christian.
>He will never answer someone that is proud or demanding.
He CREATED the people who are proud and demanding. He knew their fate before they were born.
If it's his will that they be saved, if he has the power to convince them, why not just answer them?
That makes sense. Like Luther I feel genuine faith would entail selfless and humble works anyhow. Acting good for selfish reasons cannot change someone's moral standing I believe
He did not create them proud. God only created Adam and Eve. They were perfect. Adam and Eve sinned, and now here you are. We all inherit a sin nature, sin is a curse, because Adam was made from the dirt, the entire world is cursed.
God forms your personality, He forms a lot of things about you but not your sinful nature. There is no bad thing in God, He cannot be evil, He can't sin, He can't lie, He can't do anything sinful.
This is why God had to die for our sins. His righteousness and His perfection demanded sin be punished. He cannot go and not punish something, it's not in His nature. So He punished Himself and took on all our sins.
Jesus is infinite.
Any attribute God has, has to by that logic be infinite.
God (Jesus) is holy, infinitely.
When Adam and Eve sinned, God was infinitely offended, because that's just His nature. So God has to now punish sin for infinity. This is why hell is eternal torment.
But, God came down, became a man, lived a sinless life and took upon all our sins and because He is infinite, He only had to pay for our sins a finite amount of time.
Well a lot of people start off with being on fire for Jesus and God, being happy they are saved and do a lot of works, but sooner or later there comes a point, a wall, where your period of joy etc is diminished. And you have to make a choice to serve God, even when you do not feel like it, when you feel far away from Him etc. A lot of new Christians do not continue doing the work, they rely on feelings, but that's the learning process, all your life. I have a day where I spend it in God's Word and preaching to people and then I have a week where I do nothing of the sort. Even though I know I should. It's just being a baby, I've only been saved for 1 year.
And by the way, God knows our nature. When you become a Christian, you get the holy spirit, yes, but the flesh is the flesh. The Bible says the sin is in the flesh, so your spirit will fight with the flesh. And if you're saved, like me, in your 20s it's going to take a lot longer to get used to listening to the spirit, instead of the flesh. This is why God offers eternal rewards in Heaven, we can be selfish and say I will do this for the reward I will get, and most people start out that way, but that's normal. Maybe you want to do it because it's right, but you have 2 natures when you're saved. Only when you die or when you get raptured do you get a new body without sin and then you will never be selfish or proud or sinful ever again.
>God only created Adam and Eve. They were perfect. Adam and Eve sinned, and now here you are.
How could something that was created perfect sin?
If god COULDN'T be something doesn't that mean that he's not all-powerful? How could God forbid sin/evil if he couldn't comprehend it? Even if he could comprehend it but not practice it, again, that means that he's not all powerful.
I never used the word comprehend. Of course God can comprehend all things. But He cannot be them, it goes against His nature. What you're saying is a very tiring subject, but when you realize the infinity of God things like, could God ever create a stone heavy enough that He could not lift it, become irrelevant questions.
Anyway, to answer you;
God created them perfect, without sin.
God gave them free will.
You cannot give something free will, but create them in such a way that they will never sin. That is not free will. If I created a being now, with free will but it was only possible to never sin, I would not have given them free will.
God cannot sin. That does not make him not all-powerful. You should look into the infinity equation (idk the name, forgot it). What you're saying is, if God cannot become something other than God, then He is not God because He cannot do something. That makes no sense.
Im the guy you had posted those pics for, I know exactly what you mean about reaching that wall, I had been feeling like that for a while, but over the past week or so I had the illuminati or whatever you want to call it revelation where it all kind of clicked and I realized that people's lives are in danger. Not from some vague shadowy secular organization, but by a real tangible evil. That kind of relit the fire inside me though, for now at least
>God wanted a perfect world.
>God created a perfect people.
>God with complete power and foresight, made creations that he knew would go against his will.
If he had complete control, if all of existence is a test, what is the point?
Amen, yes. People are in serious danger, the whole alien, UFO deception is the one written about in revelation. It's sad that so many people will fall for this. I believe we are 20-30 years away from the absolute end. That is just my personal opinion on the matter.
Satans name is lucifer.
Lucifer literally means light bringer.
I have had divine intervention twice, both through Christianity. I have practiced other religions, but I am now a Christian. The Holy Spirit is real, but I fear that the Bible has truly become a work of man, and we are devoid of the true Jesus Christ. 2000 years is a long time for civilizations to change the word of God, and we have no way of knowing what books have been moved, removed, or edited. I suppose this is where true faith comes in. I try to trust in Jesus Christ as much as I can, but I am born a skeptic... I just hope God knows that I am trying my hardest to stick to the word of the Lord.
To answer OP's question, I really don't know. No one does. I wish I could give a different answer.
Lucifer means light bringer.
He was renamed Satan upon rebellion.
"Satan" means "the adversary"
It's not exclusive to him. It's just a general term for demons/fallen angels. but it is most commonly refering to him.
He was the strongest and most powerful angel but wanted to live separate of God. He rebelled, spends his time wandering the earth with the other 1/3 of the host trying to temp humans to want to live separate from God too. Even though satan most certainly knows what's waiting for him, he just wants to take us down with him out of spite.
That's because he never existed and sin doesn't exist so even if he did exist, they say he died for a fictional thing. But him dying for a fictional thing actually feed his fictional origins.
Even though I disagree with some of the info in pictures you've posted (I sometimes think humans see TOO much of what they want to), I'd like to thank you for doing the Lord's work, brother.
If I read that right, and you are in your 20s, just remember that God knows you and knows your limits. You are made strong through the Holy Spirit.
Amen and God bless.
Takes us down? Can't we think about why he rebelled in the first place? Its said that God's best gift to human kind was free will. A chance to choose. But angels don't have that luxury. They're forced to obey and never question God's laws. Lucifer wanted freedom from those laws and, yes, he felt he should be ruler instead. He lost, of course.
But if we recall the story of Adam and Eve, they followed God's law without question too. They only found sentience because of Lucifer. Lucifer showed them there was more than just what God "allowed" them to see. And in that way human beings truly did get the chance to choose how to be in life. So that "greatest gift" from God was actually a gift from Lucifer.
Of course I don't blame you for blindly following one side of the story, despite all the facts still being there. The winner of any fight gets to write his version of things however he wants.
Basically I think Lucifer is still just struggling to help us see the truth because at least we're able to choose to listen, unlike his angel brothers and sisters.
Hell and heaven are right here. This is it. This is the spirit realm.
Those in deep drug abuse and addiction are suffering tremendously already aren't they? Those guys are already experiencing hell right where they are.
They will experience a hell of their own making until they wake up.
I'm a tranny but I'm also saved. Cam any other Christian brothers chime in? Does me being a tranny mess with my salvation, or does it only limit how effective my witness can be for the kingdom while here on earth?
Man continuously tries to understand why a perfect god would create a perfect world that was imperfect but do any of us really know what god wanted? I mean for all we know he could have limited omnipotence where he only sees what he wants to see as therefore he has free will to do as he pleases and since we were created in God's image with free will wouldn't it make sense that our creator wouldn't be limited by his own actions and thoughts?
>hell is a place absent of gods love
This is a gross simplification.
Hell would be more accurately understood as a perpetual self-removal from god's presence.
Yes, this would be a removal of god's love, but also consider god in his role as first mover, and think about how that effects one's entropy...then consider what a fire is.
No. Hell is being tormented in the presence of God. It is His glory that burns, for all eternity.
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
If, yes. Then only for temporal attendance, because no one could deserve eternal torture, for no person could cause eternal torture to another person.
Eternal hellfire would go beyond an eye for an eye.
Hell is punishment for offending an eternal God. Hell is very much eternal, once you're there you're not getting out, until judgement day and then you're thrown into the lake of fire and there you will have no rest day and night.
ah it's you again. Revelation 14:10, in context refers to those explicitly who accept the mark of the beast.
In Matthew 13, Christ describes hell as being a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth:
>49 So it will be at the [y]end of the age; the angels will come forth and [z]take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
And in matthew 8, again from christ's mouth:
>12 but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
That is, hell is indeed in "outer darkness". Darkness is a privation of light (id est, a place where light is not), and as it is said in John 14:6:
>Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Thus, Hell is not in the presence of christ, and if it is not in the presence of christ, it is not in the presence of the father, nor of the holy spirit, and thus not in the presence of God.
whoops, he doesn't say "light", but rather "life" there.
Here, John 8:12 is more proper...and most of john 1 for that matter:
>Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life."
Clearly if God says it's a furnace of fire
and then you tell me that hell is darkness, in the context you speak of it. It makes no sense. When He speaks of darkness, He doesn't mean literal darkness, as in absence of light. And there is no difference between those who take the mark of the beast and those who are in the lake of fire. It's the same place.
>Is Hell real?
>And if so do drug abusers go?
Everyone who hasn't received the grace of god goes to hell; regardless of drugs or not.
As for the christian who uses drugs:
drug use can be viewed as sinful in three different ways:
1). It is illegal and Paul tells us to obey the laws of the land so far as they don't oblige us to sin.
2). It could be construed as "Pharmakia", one of the words Paul uses in greek that is usually translated "witchcraft".
3). Your drug use reflects an indulgence in your own concupiscence. That is, you're getting high for the sake of indulging in material pleasures to the point that it's harmful.
Any one of these three could indicate it as sin, which would ideally cause contrition and repentance in the truly faithful.
>you tell me that hell is darkness
I don't tell you anything. Christ said it himself; that they will be cast into "outer darkness".
>It makes no sense
it does if you understand the nature of fire, the nature of entropy and the nature of god as the first cause of all motion in the universe.
God as the first cause is the source of all actualization in the universe -- the thing that makes energy itself "energetic".
So what is fire? Naturally, it's a constant, pointless increase of entropy in a system -- a removal useful energy from a thing.
And what is darkness but a privation of light? It indeed makes sense that an eternal "fire" is without the light of god.
>He doesn't mean literal darkness, as in absence of light
Of course not. He means the removal from the presence of god. The fire isn't literal either.
The fire is literal.
>And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Here the rich young ruler speaks to Abraham.
What's worse? A place where no one gave a FUCK and got punished for it or a place where people raised their nose at you and scoffed at you as they recite the Bible.
I find it funny really but sad. Christ seemed like a good person but those who follow him deserve hell. Distorting his philosophy into a barbaric "do as you're told or you'll burn in hell" position.
Personally, I don't follow Abrahamic religions. I believe that Aeon has passed but I do feel terribly sorry for those rinsing themselves in the hypocrisy of it all.
Love shouldn't have a half-cocked sarcastic reply of contempt behind its breath.
Read a book. Stop listening to schizos. Listen to this advice and I'll have saved you from the suffering that the idiot suffers everytime he attempts to draw a conclusion based on circumstance.
The Catholic church is not Christian. It's luciferian.
The Papal seal, the very thing that gives authority to the pope, is a dragon. Pic related: >>17166256
>I'll have saved you
>conclusion based on circumstance
Guess I better start bowing down to the fuckin messiah circumstantially concluding that I'm an idiot. Does it not get hard breathing, with your head that far up your own arse?
What sort of fucking fanny uses the word inexclusive in that context? Jesus fucking christ.
wrong again, motherfucker.
>The King James Bible is God's preserved Word.
Eh, i was a atheist and went though demonic attack. When i realized what was going on i accepted Jesus repented and changed. But i was stuck on the eternal hell thing. I lived in fear of God i could not love him i felt like i had to be perfect or i would go to hell.
I kept praying asking God not to send people to hell for not accepting Jesus. As a previous atheist i had a huge problem with this i know other atheists and agnostics who just don't care. And all these preachers tell you these people along with people who never heard of Jesus were going to burn in hell for eternity. Logically it just made no sense to me and the only reason i found Jesus is because i came under demonic attack.
After praying a lot about it i came across Universal Reconciliation. I was scared of to read about it at first i didn't want to believe in some heresy that would get me sent to hell. I now believe it to be true or some form of it because it makes sense. The reason i never believed was because of eternal hell because it made no sense.
If anyone here is on the fence because of eternal hell and has worries about it look into it, it makes sense.
Sigh. First of all, hell is eternal. There is no point in Jesus dying on the cross for all sins, there is no point in the Bible, there is no point in anything God said or did if hell isn't eternal.
God is eternal.
Sin offends Him eternally.
Punishment for sin has to be eternal death.
That is why God, an eternal being paid for our sins for a finite amount of time.
Otherwise we would have to pay for our sins for eternity.
You hate the nature of God by saying what you said.
You aren't even saved. You should be terrified right now, because you will be one of many saying LORD LORD DID I NOT DO MANY WORKS DID I NOT FOLLOW YOU etc and He will say depart from me I never knew you.
Second of all. REPENT does not mean turn from sin or stop sinning. Repent simply means "CHANGE OF MIND." That is it. The Bible defines repent this way and God repents most in the entire Bible.
If you simply trust that Jesus died for all your sins, was buried and rose again 3 days later. You are eternally saved.
If you want the TRUTH and not some bullshit fairy story about how everyone will be reconciled to God, then you better listen up and take advantage of the links I'm about to send to you.
Hell is eternal.
Jesus (God) preached it.
To believe anything else is to close your eyes and go "lalalalalalalall" like an idiot. Hell is real, eternal and that is why we are sent to PREACH and to get people SAVED. There are no fairy tale second chances after you die in your sins.
>And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
If one religion is false, then all religions are false.
Prove Gödel wrong.
>The first incompleteness theorem states that no consistent system of axioms whose theorems can be listed by an "effective procedure" (i.e., any sort of algorithm) is capable of proving all truths about the relations of the natural numbers (arithmetic). For any such system, there will always be statements about the natural numbers that are true, but that are unprovable within the system. The second incompleteness theorem, an extension of the first, shows that such a system cannot demonstrate its own consistency.
That theory is retarded.
That would mean that anything that has ever been recorded as the "word of God" was taken in clear context and in literal definition. Since so much of it is up to interpretation, some religions fall short.