Is suicide a rebellion against God?
Thread about suicide.
Please 'avoid hurrdurr suicide is cowardly' that seem to be popular amongst the masses. Philosophy about suicide is welcome.
Yes. Don't kill yourself. You must see life through. You can't hurry the outcome. It could be that what comes after is much worse than what came before.
[10:56] It is He Who giveth life and who taketh it, and to Him shall ye all be brought back.
According to hadith, a person who kills themselves will be damned to an eternity of repeatedly killing themselves in the same manner in hell.
Jesus committed suicide.
If it's good enough for The Savior is good enough for us.
In Christianity, sucicide allegedly only became a sin when people started to off themselves to get to Heaven faster, to such a degree that they died faster than new Christians could be converted.
Up until then it was a non-issue.
I think it's only a rebellion against God and a sin if the only reason you're committing suicide is to get to Heaven. Not that you're depressed or not that you're in a tight spot and that's the only answer.
Aren't almosst all religions against it? I'd be interested in hearing about the ones that aren't, and I am not religious, but I guess the only way to answer is to say "it depends on what 'god' you follow'
As a humanist, I feel that suicide is extremely painful for the family of the actor, and it carries a powerful, long-term negative effect. Not only are you killing yuorself, but you are basically cursing everyone close to you to some profound pain and confusion.
I would guess that it can only be morally correct in cases of extreme pain or turmoil.
End of life scenarios, when someone is terminal, is a different story, and I think the right to die is more humane and actually lowers the overall amount of suffering in the world. Some people don't consider that suicide though.
Apparently we voluntarily agree to become human by deciding so with angels and spirit guides before we're born. I don't know what the fuck I was thinking.
I hope I have the sense to say no if I'm asked again.
Suicide is not cowardly, is not a rebellion against god, it's just stupid unless in a situation of physical and mental pain so hard that there's no way to solve it. Social ineptitude or inadequacy are totally not legit, and same goes for social trauma.
Suicide is like deciding that you already know what you're going to face next in either life or death, which is something you can't say. You can't go back, so on a practical level you are literally choosing to cut out whatever you are feeling right now for the sake of a totally unknown new option. It's basically a waste of what you had left to live (which makes suicide before natural causes insuing a legit option).
So if you believe in a god, since suicide is usually seen as sinful in most monotheistic religions and even in others, you are basically asking whatever god you believe in to just fuck you up for eternity to stop the trivial, passing sensations of a lifetime. Even if you believe in a religion that allows suicide you could simply be wrong and there could be nothing beyond life.
tl;dr: suicide is usually stupid and based on poor decisions on the moment, unless you are irrimediably fucked for the little you still have left. Gambling on afterlife sucks.
I feel suicide to be liberation from the monotony that is life. It's the misinterpretation of the weak to think that you must be weak to kill yourself when in reality it's going to be the strongest thing that they've ever done.
Well there's probably nothing to be secure about, the only thing you can be 100% secure about is probably that "I am".
Maybe suicide is the right thing to do, maybe it is not.
I wouldn't do it. I think we are here for a reason. What if you get incarnated on earth again in a similar situation? Why does running from your problems help you to solve them, Why does taking suicide solve the problems? Maybe there are no problems at all. I think you are here to work on yourself, solve/deal with your problems, know thyself.
We are aware beings whose awareness is impermanent. We can imagine what the moment of our dissolution would feel like. If there is a god, and it is a conscious thing, it's logic is beyond me. No more Xanax. shit.
>awareness is impermanent.
we dont know that
>imagine what the moment of our dissolution would feel like.
freaky thought, I dont know if I should be scared, or happy, but I want to put it off as long as possible.
>If there is a god, and it is a conscious thing, it's logic is beyond me.
>No more Xanax. shit.
your post was at least as coherent as everyone elses, I dont think you can blame Xanax , these might be your real thoughts.
People give into sin and slowly their spiritual beings become negative and evil. When these people die their soul cannot live in Heaven, it's just not compatible, so you're sent to the place where all the other Fallen angels and people who want to prove to God he's wrong go.
God doesn't want you to go there, but if you are an outright evil and sinful person than you are knocking on Hells door not Heavens
If there is an all knowing/all powerful God, then every event in your life would visible to it prior to your creation. This God would have been able to create you differently in order to prevent your suicide but it chose not to. therefore your suicide would not be rebellion but exactly what the God wanted.
If the god isnt all knowing then it's views on what is right and wrong arent any more valid than yours are and you shouldnt give a shit about whether or not youre rebelling.
also tfw the captcha is 777. Someone is fucking with me.
well supposedly everyone who has ever lived has died, and if you're gonna get old and die eventually anyway, might as well enjoy all the good things in life before you die?
so do not kill yourself. try to be happy. be a nice bro.
But imagine, IMAGINE how much you would surprise the Lord if you were made to commit suicide and instead you said... "no. I will live my life and be a better person than I was even designed, I will do better and be better than what I was made for and be a hero and a real human bean" that would probably make the lord really happy.
Now that question would dabble into the grey area of belief. The church would say yes to your question, but like most institutions the churches are twisted.
I think a God would look for any good within a being, and if that being lacks even the smallest amount of good than it will be destroyed.
Any god that sentences someone to an eternity of suffering is off his rocker. Nothing we do in life warrants that.
Literally eternal suffering. How can anybody worship a being that has created such a place.
So someone who kills his whole family and rapes his children before killing a group of cops and himself still deserves to go up to Heaven?
I don't even know if I believe in Heaven or Hell, but the idea of a Hell makes sense to me.
The Great Refusal: An Historical Guide To Christian Suicide
anyone who says suicide isnt ok is just trying to convince themselves that the universe/god is altruistic and cares about us which is NOT TRUE
yea I'm jewish. I do that because supposedly its respectful to not write it down as is. I don't understand why but I do it anyway because it doesn't do me any trouble. Might learn about it more eventually.
not necessarily, imagine a man who has created a computer game. he has programmed all the physics, created every art asset, optimized all the code ... he knows all the potential the game engine has - but he does not know the execution.
the gameplay of life can still surprise god the creator.
I'd say suicide simply is. It's an escape from chronic pain, as in a terminally ill patient. I believe a person should be able to exit this world as they see fit. It would be altruistic and selfless for the old and weary to commit suicide when their health begins to decline and they become a net consumer, as opposed to a net producer. The moment my friends and family are required to care for me that's the point I'd like to make my exit.
At the same time, it would be selfish to commit suicide because you can't get your shit together. Drug abuse, bad decisions, etc, if you have someone that depends on you, emotionally or financially or however, then you have an obligation to them to be there. I suppose there might be a point at which the pain becomes too much, but still, one should at least make an attempt or seek some sort of guidance to become stable or hold out for their loved ones and the ones that depend on them.
I think it has more to do with writing in real life. like if you were to write "God" on a paper instead of "G-D" and then discard or damage the paper, it would become disrespectful. So i guess it makes sense to use when this thread will be deleted eventually. sorry you might already know this much, haha
fuck off, sociopath. the only limit on resources are artificially produced therefore your nazi-esque "consumer" ideology is flawed from the tip of the bone all the way outward.
just admit you loathe the elderly unstead of putting on this weird guise of glorifying suicide.
When i was a kid I remember hearing
about a theory that our universe and
our existance is in a giant computer. Didn't
Know what to think of it at the time other than
to worry about it being turned off.
By definition of "all knowing" the god would know exactly how the gameplay of life would play out.
The game creator is not be an all knowing being and therefore they are not comparable to the god.
honestly im pretty bad at explaining this stuff so sorry if i sounded repetitive.
im not all knowing and you very well could be more 'right" than i am for that reason. However, what you said before wasnt any sort of counter to the theory i originally presented.
no worries mate just pulling ya one. but yeah i have a personal authority with god so sorry if i gave ya a bit of s snap. no hard feelings cause none where intended and i hope you can fesl fhis beam of electricity im sending you right now. can you feel the goodwill? i put just a pinch of god in it.
Not everyone can have great, glorious cities and 8 children to take care of them into their old age. At some point the equation becomes unstable. For anyone that can foresee such a catastrophe, they plan accordingly. War, a plague, famine, something needs to set things right before they get out of hand.
It's simply pruning the dead and dragging branches before they bring down the whole tree. If you think it's flawed then you really can't see the looming social security crisis, the packed nursing homes, the catastrophe on the horizon for Japan, and so on.
if its to be then it shall be, but to assume and intervene is to spit and to vomit. do not vomit on gods masterpiece. the wise man knows to do nothing is better than to offer a solution with false confidence.
to "prune", as you put it, is to stand to lose much in terms of precious life, to endure life until the natural end is to lose nothing, and gain everything - for the elderly now and for us in the future.
respect must be given, and not your faux-respect of handing of pushing them down the narrow hallway of "honor" like youre giving them a choice.
life is honor, death is naught.
same feels here. I dont know what the fuck I was thinking,.. volunteering to come here and incarnate for this shit. my life is fucking miserable. I just don't fucking get it. what the fuck am I even here!? shit really sucks. nothing but misery, depression, rejection, pain, sorrow, anguish, only brief fleeting moments of happiness tainted with the fear and foreboding of how short that happy moment would be... and only to return ever yet again to a dark grey life of pain, unhappiness and suffering,,,,why!? what the fuck do I have to be here just to live in a lonely life long misery!? no fucking wonder people commit suicide.!! seems like life absolutely fucking sucks most of the time
I am not religious, but I think when Adam anf Eve partook of the forbidden fruit, they essential set all of mankind free and gave us free will.
From what I have heard and read is that our time on this Earth is a test to see if we are truly faithful to him.
I personally dont believe in any of that, when you die your mind goes to darkness and you cease to be, no parallel universe bullshit or heaven
Let's look at two figures in the Bible who committed suicide:
>King Saul, driven to fall on His own sword after being allowed by God to be cornered after forsaking God's commands
>Judas Iscariot, betrayer of Jesus Christ
If your life and the choices you've made as a result of it lead you to suicide, this is the model you're following. Do you want to throw your lot in with those such as these?
If you wish to forfeit your life, do so for a just cause. Die to sin and live for Christ. Live to serve others, and spread the gospel under threat of your life. Follow Christ and give your life to God. He will give it meaning.
Adam and Eve had the choice to do what God said not to do to begin with, so they had free will before they disobeyed. What eating the fruit gave them was knowledge of good and evil, the latter of which resulting in the death and pain we face even today.
God does not exist, but if suicide was seen as a rebellion against the aliens who try to influence us, or as a rebellion against the machine that brought us here, then I would agree.
Creepy, the verification code is my area code, luckily we still have the house-line hooked up with our old area code.
true, that's how it goes in the bible. but based off the theory in my original statement,. If God was all knowing and all powerful he wouldn't have failed to predict this event, or any other event, in adam and eve's life before he created them. therefore Adam and Eve would not have had free will to begin with as their lives would play out the way god created them to
Has anyone here ever done really strong hallucinogens?
>Mushrooms, salvia, DMT, that sort of stuff
Well, you know then, your mood/feelings you are experiencing when the trip "shoots you off into outer space" is what creates a positive or negative mindset, therefor a positive or negative trip.
The same applies to death, be it from suicide or natural causes... however, one usually has family and a loving atmosphere during the onset of death from natural causes promoting a positive experience.
Suicide is usually caused by negative feels, self-absorption, and the root of that is selfishness... e.g. negativity.
Read up on NDE's from suicide, you will see exactly where I'm coming from... don't forget to take large quantities of hallucinogens to test it for yourself (without the whole dying part lol)!
God is not real.
You must look at this in the only way you can and that is in the rational and logical way.
You do not know for sure that there is any kind of afterlife. And that means that killing yourself doesn't take the pain away, it takes you away. Permanently. There's no going back or being reborn. That it for everything that makes you you. You'll not see anything or sense anything or even think anything. There won't even be darkness. There will be absolutley nothing.
Now, with that in mind, is suicide really the way to go?
Take the perspective of an all knowing being, you would know it would happen.
It is just another step in the journey, why give beings free-will, if they aren't going to use it?
>A sailor who only knew rough seas, would never know what rest was.
forgot to say, via this it is all free-will... what you make of it, is your choice.
>your mood/feelings you are experiencing when the trip "shoots you off into outer space" is what creates a positive or negative mindset, therefor a positive or negative trip.
hurdurr your emotions make you feel and your feels make you emote
Obviously you have never died before.
Keep up the conformist thinking, it will get you nowhere.
>Old problems cannot be solved by the same thinking.
I feel sorry for you, but you will one day understand, be it via the ultimatum of death... but hopefully earlier.
>That is your final chance, make of it what you will.
You can't say that God didn't know what would happen, and you can't say that it wasn't with purpose for what is to come. Adam and Eve had choice, and this is the basis of free-will. To say that the two conflict would be to imply that you yourself understand the essence of being omniscient, which is not the case, as you are not yourself omniscient.
>Keep up the conformist thinking
Try being original for once in your life
>you have never died before
You don't know me so if really absurd for you to assume I'm never died.
I see you are attempting to use an attack of my person, that is noob-tier argumentation tactics.
I now understand you have nothing further to contribute.
Then I would agree with suicide being a rebellion against G-d. And also it's if the aliens have no influence over the afterlife, when it's entirely possible that they do hold influence over it. Reincarnation would be the possibility for this. I have a lot more vivid ideas, but it's too much.
Non-conformance is conformance to your personal view of non-orthodox behaviors. It would be necessary for it to be true that it is possible for you to have a thought no one else has ever had to assert that you are not conforming to another's idea of self-direction. Given that this is not provable, is it really possible to not conform, or is "non-conformance" just a back-handed construct used to attempt to coerce others into conforming to your standard rather than somebody else's?
That there will be a result to that day of rough seas is guaranteed. The ability of a being to see that result before its inception is separate from the choices the sailor makes in reaching it.
How do you know god or whomever didn't instill such a belief in a particular culture as part of the big plan? If people want to die when they start dragging down society then that's their sacrifice for the greater good. It was a part of the Indian and Chinese culture for quite a bit. I'm not sure who else embraced this value, but it's not something I invented.
God does give light to the hearts of all men; however, that light becomes darkened with men's choices and Satan's deceptions. Noah, the father of all men, knew God. It was the choice of men to stray from true knowledge of Him.
God, who is called the God of Life, is consistent with Himself.
Non-conformity* is completely possible if one was to dismiss any ideals presented.
Do you know how ridiculous you sound saying that someone conforms to their self? Conformity means to align your views with others so you can't exactly conform to yourself.
>damned to an eternity of repeatedly killing themselves in the same manner in hell.
There was a guy on a thousand ways to die who fucked a girl and when he orgasmed he had a heart attack cuz of all the viagra he took
>sociology would probably interest you guys, if you haven't studied it already
Well, in the context I gave it sure, but it was more meant as "true rest," as in what we perceive as rest.
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Exactly. The way we know things is much more primitive compared to the way God knows things. God can see every possibility, and yet He knows which will come to pass. He is not limited like us.
/b/ can be labeled as an authoritarian personality, that's an easy connection I can make lol.
Also 4chan is a sub-culture in of itself... each board is a deviation of this sub-culture creating groups of people who make their own norms, values, memes (psychology term not just internet thing).
>It's the study of outside influences on people/society/cultures/sub-cultures
being all powerful wouldnt God be the one manipulating which possibilities come to pass?
All of our personality traits, intelligence, etc, that make up our decision making processes would be determined by God. so wouldn't our 'free will' just be making choices that God designed us to make.
If you are the one who designed the dominos, the one who sets up the dominos, and then the one who flicks the first domino that creates the chain reaction... that you set in place would make your supposition a possibility (if this presence knew all deviations of possibility from that initial creation, setup, then flick).
However imagine this, if we are one in the same with the one who made all these pieces, that set everything in motion; would we then be the true embodiment of free-will?
Via this thought process, it was our choice, our free-will.
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There's a time for suicide, notably when a person is in constant, tremendous, incurable pain or when they're similarly massively crippled, etc.
However, while meaning no disrespect, I tend to consider the practice among the otherwise healthy to be dumb. It's impatient and unimaginative.
For instance, some describe the boredom, tedium, etc. of existence. There are too many options for any sane, intelligent person to claim that there's nothing they can do to shake things up. And as an added bonus, many of the things you can do are potentially lethal. Don't commit suicide. Go base jumping. If you screw up and die, you got the same end result. If you don't, you might find something that inspires you. Perform an armed robbery on a bank. Go try to beat a tiger in hand to hand combat. Simply committing suicide in these instances, to me, shows a lack of imagination or character.
And then there's the more compelling point that you are going to die. A truism about most, if not all, people that have ever existed is that they will spend far more time dead than they ever did alive. You have all eternity to be dead. Are you really so impatient that you can't sit out another few decades of life until you die naturally? What's the fucking rush? In this regard I wouldn't call people cowards, but I might call them pussies.
Is life really so terrible? And if it is, you can't stick it out for the brief flash of time before you die? You will get your wish, inevitably! Moreso than any other wish, those people wanting to die will live to see it come true. Rushing the job seems beyond pointless.
depression is pain. seriously. real actual depression is bad news. it kill you by making your brain kill itself.
Gnarly shit. some people do in fact have tedium or just boredom or such as reasons (whiny teens and such) but once you're older most suicides are simply escaping from pain, and depression as an adult counts as real pain.
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i open every thread on the /x/ board on 4chan and wait for you to reply and when i do i say Xeno! (like jenga or uno) and i reply to you and thats how you play the splendid game.
what a coincidence that youd be in this particular thread xeno
I'm well versed in dealing with the clinically depressed and while I have come to recognize the lack of animus or motive it can cast upon them, I also note that very few of them actually make the bid for suicide. Genuinely suicidal tendencies tend to be an extra aspect of psychology, not merely part and parcel to depression and, frankly, my argument still stands. Just because a person is depressed doesn't mean that they can't also be genuinely lazy, stupid and unimaginative and just killing yourself instead of trying to test a potentially lethal alternative to search for relevance in your life? Stupid. So you can be depressed and smart, or depressed and stupid. The latter are the ones who just suicide.
When I'm talking crippling pain, I mean actual crippling pain. For instance, I knew a woman who had a serious brain tumor. At the end, she couldn't move, she couldn't speak, she could barely communicate, she was in insane amounts of pain that could not in any way be treated or dulled. Her asking someone to end her life, which is to say committing suicide, makes sense. She has no other real options, at all. That's not the case for depression.
Consider the following.
Earth is hell.
No demons and endless flames just living on earth is living in hell. Because you didn't pass your "test" on earth you are send back there and depending on your behaviour in your past lives your next life is either really enjoyable or absolutely horrifying.
Now let us assume that's reality.
If people knew about this (getting send back on earth without the endlessly getting tortured part) people start messing around on earth a lot more without facing real repercussions and they do it over and over again.
Kill, rape, steal and at the end just do an hero and face another life WITH the same knowledge.
Apparently you don't know what the word crippling means, even though I explained it quite distinctly. No, I know intimately over a dozen people prescribed drugs for dealing with chemical depression. I am associated more generally with considerably more. They can all walk, talk, vacation, drive cars, play with pets, etc. They're not crippled. The word fucking means something.
So you're an idiot. Fuck off.
I definitely agree Xeno, well made points.
I see where you are coming from... but it is all perspective in what you are suggestion.
It can be heaven on earth, or hell on earth.
However, I am not saying I agree with your hasty presumptions.
No I merely meant for you to consider the possibility that depression was a mental congruence developed by the crippled farmer living in the mind. The unreal is only as real as the LCD screens embedded in our fearheads deceive us into believing. Do not be deceived because everyone is capable of extinguishing the fire of untruth.
Okay, to put it more clearly.
Suicide is considered "bad" in most religion, isn't it?
So if people get told suicide is bad because they face "hell with demons torturing them" they don't want to do it but if you already living in "hell" you don't have to fear anything. You could just kill yourself and enjoy your next life.
Another point is actually knowing about your past lives.
If you have the knowledge of getting away with murder and/or other things through suicide, not facing "hell" in a religious kind of way, would you do it?
I have worked with people who suffer from non-conditional, actual depression. If they can vacation, play, enjoy life...that's not the kind of crippling pain I mean. I'm talking catatonic, can't go outside, cachexia and muscular atrophy, bundled with nervous disorders from extrapyramidal syndrome and such from the drugs that failed to treat the depression.
people with resistant depression get shock therapy as a last attempt at treatment. If you're going on fucking vacations...you're not at the point I'm talking about. I'm talking about
>with a physical, chemical cause
not some dickwad who isn't motivated or whose auntie died and isn't over it yet.
Ah, now you're belittling people with genuine clinical depression because they aren't crippled by it.
Genuine catatonia is a condition psychologically distinct from anything described as clinical depression. That is a fundamentally distinct condition and it also prevents one from actively committing suicide.
your word, "crippling". depression that can be controlled by medications taken in the course of daily life is not "crippling pain".
Catatonia is not always a permanent condition, it's a symptom of other conditions as well (originally it was seen as a hallmark of schizophrenia). You have not worked in a medical setting. Your friends who currently take medication are your friends because they're not crippled by their condition, and still have quality of life.
Your life is your own to take. Since it is kind of dick move financially and emotionally, the people around you should also be allowed the option to let you rot.
Sure is a boring way to go though.
>You mean "physical pain is the only actual pain".
No, you're backtracking. Here's what you said :
>oh you don't mean "crippling pain". You mean "physical pain is the only actual pain".
And you're wrong. I didn't mean that, I didn't say that. If you find someone who is suffering psychological catatonia then that's crippling. However, clinical depression is real, it's a significant issue, but it is not in and of itself typically crippling. When I said that, your stupid ass responded with this
>You mean "physical pain is the only actual pain".
Then you tried to sneer at people who suffer from genuine clinical depression, you misdefined the nature of catatonia, then you tried to claim I didn't know what I was talking about.
So fuck you.
I understand that you got caught up with everyone correcting everybody else and you wanted to join in, and your moment will come! however, this is not that moment.
You see, the error in question was a failure to represent the tiger with a body part analogous to the hand of a human. For a tiger that is the paw. The claw would be analogous to the fingernail.
>rebellion against god?
In the Christian mindset it is. Even though Jesus basically committed suicide.
In many other religions it's seen as honorable if you do it for good reason. But in 9 out of 10 religions/cultures, its seen as cowardly if you kill yourself just because life gets a little hard.
> Christians facing unprecedented modern-day prosecution in early 21st century
Couldn't read past that, as that is a massive load of shit.
I probably should, though. How a believer can contemplate suicide makes me curious.
6 people committed suicide in the bible bro. Arguably 7 if we take into account Jesus let himself be killed. Martyrdom is still suicide.
Suicide CAN be used for a great purpose. I never said it was always a bad thing.
Plenty of other Jesus like figures have died for their people.
no, not because an entity or afterlife exists but because if you commit suicide, you'll repeat the day you commited suicide from the moment you wake up over and over again. in physics, there's no reason why we experience time linearly and if consciousness is a product of the interactions between matter(neurons) then this is the most likely scenario.
This seems like a good time to point out that declawing a cat is very mean and you should not do it. What is removed when a cat is 'declawed' is actually far more than the claw itself and includes bones and stuff. Bad.
Discussing suicide is difficult because becoming qualified to discuss it is not as easy as becoming qualified to discuss coke vs pepsi. You can try both of them and then report back on the taste, as long as you don't swallow the coke.
Suppose I say that I have had the desire to kill myself. And by the authority of that experience I state my opinion. How the hell do I know anything? I never did it, while many people have done so, therefore how can I say that my opinion is based on a real experience?
Say you don't kill yourself and get your dick ripped off by rabid dogs the next day and bleed to death while everyone gawks and takes pictures of your now mangled genitalia instead of calling for an ambulance.
It wasn't martrydom for Jesus. He didn't die for His 'religion'. He died to save us, anyone who comes to the Father through Him. Though, I see how someone who doesn't understand something so simple, and deny Him could see it that way, I guess. Good day, madame.
my comment was only an educated guess on what is currenly known about consciousness, cognitive neuroscience, and the myriad of religious thought about the afterlife. personally, i believe that's it's impossible to know what happens after death because with near death experiences, there's a brain to come back to and there's a small chance that what is experienced is merely a plaything of the brain, and to truly experience death, there has to be total destruction of the brain, and there's no way for someone to tell us what happens after death if that happens
my being omniscient has nothing to do with it. God either knows all or he doesn't. If he does know everything and is powerful enough to manipulate every single factor of our creation, then our "free will" would be a set of choices where the answers have already been predetermined based on the way you were created. therefore you would not be truly free but rather on a set of tracks following a path that was decided for you.
sorry i missed this last night.
It is not against God except for the reason that it is a human weakness, it is dislikeable. That is the truth of it, hoping for philosophy to help rectify it any other way is not really going to work. Though you might think it does.
Pic might be related.
You err however in that man uses his hands(generally as fists) in combat while the tiger would be more likely to use it's claws and teeth. Instead of simply looking for analogous body parts, it would be better to actually use the parts most relevant to the combat. The tiger probably wouldn't use merely it's paw to strike the human and so "hand to paw combat" would be a faulty description.
I'm only posting this so at least someone knows, but I'm giving up tonight.
You guys here on /x/, the sc/out/s and the fags of /mlp/ have been the best friends a guy could ask for. I wish you all nothing but the best in your lives. I'm just sorry I never met any of you in person.
See you faggots on the other side
He asked God if there was any other way it could be done. But if there wasn't he would do it. He didn't want to. But he loved us enough to let it happen. Sacrifice is not suicide. Suicide is pretty much pointless. No good for others comes out of it. Sacrifice is entirely for others.