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What is a tulpa?
The word comes from a Tibetan Buddhist practice.
In practice it's basically an imaginary friend, refined into an in depth practice that will eventually allow you to hear responses from it in your mind and potentially audibly, and even self imposed visual and tactile hallucinations of it. It's the ultimate mind hack.
Authors of books have reported occurrences like this, with the characters speaking to them or "writing themselves", it's not something that is necessarily a mental illness or deserving of stigma, but a productive practice if you want it to be.
Questions, personal experiences, and stories are always welcome.
Why should you make a tulpa?
It's a neat thing to have, serves as a companion, and can help with self introspection.
How do you make a tulpa?
Read a few guides on to get an idea of what the process is like, then decide which guide will work best for you and follow it. Ask lots of questions and don't be afraid to experiment or even mix methods to make the experience as unique as possible, for only you know what works best for you.
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What do I do if my tulpa friend-zones me? I mean, it's not like god wasn't constantly fucking eve and making adam a cuckhold. He's god, what could adam really do about it? Anyway, as her creator, shouldn't I get to use the vagina I made?
not for building the house but for doing something against their will. even if you built the house, if they tell you they want some privacy, you should give it to them? if your tulpa is independent of you and you want to fuck her but she doesn't want you to fuck her, then if you fuck her anyway, it's rape. you literally would be raping your own mind.
then just fuck her? if she's yours and you want to fuck her, just fuck her. you say she friend-zoned you or said supposing if she friend-zoned you, but really this just seems like you'd feel like it was wrong to do. either she has her own thoughts/feelings or she doesn't.
You can talk about anything, really - what's going on in a movie, how much you hate your boss, what the weather is like outside - anything that comes to mind. You can read books for narration as long as you make sure you're keeping the tulpa in your mind.
Problem is I have no job, and watch no movies really. I sit home all-day learning code, so finding something to talk about is problematic, but I'll try to think of something to talk about in addition to books.
This doesn't really have anything to do with thought forms, but okay. It depends on the person, I think. It takes me about 40 minutes to do WILD, but I know a friend who waits about 1-2 hours to do it.
my tulpa and I have been listening to Wheel of Time on Audiobook. On book 7 now.
You made an agreement with them; they get a house you built, and in exchange, zero privacy. They'd likely not stay. At which point did you absolve the tulpa of choice and free will? They can choose to leave, or never reciprocate your affection.
anyone have good methods for entering a trance?
i listen to dark music after jacking off, but i dont think its efficient
also to make this thread tulpa related, what would happen if i made a tulpa that looks like the sun? or some other heavenly sphere. anyone done this? moved it round in the sky?
To the anon that responded about my Tulpa and her Dormant state from last threat; Here's my reply.
Perhaps you're right about the tiredness. She manages to come back around in a period of a few days as I regain my energy. And for your second question. She wears clothes because I'd prefer it that way, and common courtesy is part of her character.
Make peace with yourself. Nothing will go wrong unless you truly believe that it will.
Yes, it can. But don't make one if you think that you will get bored of it eventually. This is a serious commitment.
I feel like I'm in a rut.
Sometimes it feels like my tulpa is progressing along really fast, but other times I cant think about it, and as such, it isn't present. Is my work so far going to be ruined?
My doctor made me fill out several tests. I scored 46 out of 50 on the Autism Quotient test and 2 out of 40 on an Empathy Quotient test. Does this explain why I have so much trouble making a tulpa?
Autists can't actually into legitimate tulpa, despite /x/'s ignorance on the subject. So yeah, unfortunately. Not that you CAN'T, but you'll experience some inevitable difficulty.
Dude, you're probably barely even starting. This shit takes a long time to happen. It was like six months in before I got any concrete results. Everything before that was just kinda there, but not really. Took like a year for consistency.
I saw you on /r9k/. Quite honestly, I would imagine autistic people would have an easier time with this kind of stuff. Do you also have ADD? That's really the only thing I could see as being debilitating for making tulpas that isn't something extreme like a full-on mental disorder.
You don't. It's not like you get rid of a pet just because you're bored with it or it misbehaves.
>i meant they are able to feed and dress themselves
Not according to my disability benefits certificate
>Even typing out this right now is requiring a lot of focus
Damn dude, if that's true I don't see how you have any chance of making a tulpa. After all it's essentially hours and hours of concentration. On the other hand it might actually help with your concentration.
It's funny you bring that up, because a servitor is basically a lobotomized tulpa. Same thing, but can't think for itself and you have to tell it what to do.
I know, but it's just showing how retarded he is and how he shouldn't be in charge of another living thing.
I understand that making a tulpa would be more difficult for me. I've been trying to lucid dream since 2008 with little success, but I have done it a couple of times for a few seconds, so I know it is real and possible and I can do it. I just need to find some way that works for my autism-riddled brain which I haven't managed yet. Would the same be true of tulpas or am I just fucked?
>animals can fucking feel things. idiot.
You're thinking of sentient, which people often agree that a lot of animals are.
Sapience essentially intelligence.
I'm sure you can do it, it'd just be a longer process. It's already a pretty long process as it is, so I'm not really sure if it'd even be worth the effort. Even with an average brain, it's extremely tedious.
>You're thinking of sentient, which people often agree that a lot of animals are.
yeah. i was. looking back i can see how i didn't convey that properly. i believe most of all animals are sentient (can feel) and a lot are sapient (can identify with themselves and reality) like some types of birds, elephants, dolhpins, etc.
Supposedly that's supposed to be what a egregore is. I don't know much about them, but I would assume, the people making it would agree on a form beforehand, so they could direct their energy all the same way. More people would make it more powerful as long as it's a really separate for people and they're just not making a bunch of tulpas that are exactly the same.
Yes, but it could be difficult. How is it supposed to move around (tulpas can't stay in place) and communicate (tress don't have mouths/facial expressions or anything).
If you want a nonsentient tree, then that wouldn't be a tulpa. Hell, that wouldn't even be a servitor. It'd just be a basic thouhtform.
No, intentionally created full-blown schisms of the mind that hang out with you.
People with tulpas are basically giving themselves a taste of schizophrenia. It's fucked, and do we even really know about long-term effects?
so what do you guys think of the "headmate" shit on tumblr? tulpas? DID/schizophrenia/whatever? special snowflake SJW's trying to rack up more oppression points? give me your opinions.
even ponyfags can take this seriously enough to make progress, no need to generalize. Need I remind you that even though ponyfags didn't start these threads they brought a good deal of organization to them?
There are people who make tulpa to be cool or fit in or make things up to fit in, but maybe eventually they see what they're doing and take it more seriously, but I personally believe it's a generalization with those who stand out loudest. I myself am a ponyfag, but I approached this with curiosity and maturity, not to fuck ponies or try to impress people. Sex was the last thing on my mind when I started.
only bottom two posts were mine, but that was in response to other posts, top one was some guy who wandered into a /mlp/ tulpa thread actually believing it's all one big troll with over 3,000 people involved
It's funny because both of your replies were to me. Plus, did you even read my response? My tulpa is a pony, but even I know most people who claim to have tulpas (especially when it's a pony) are full of shit. It's the new version of a headmate and they think everyone is roleplaying along with them.
I did read your response. And while you believe most people are full of shit, I believe it's just a generalization. More often than not the extremes tend to stand out meaning the ones I mentioned and that whole headmate tumblr bullshit. I mean look at tumblr in general. Yes you've got SJW, femnazis, and attentionwhoring teenagers, but you can also find on tumblr funny gifs, porn, pictures of puppies, artist blogs, bands and musicians blogs and other things.
I can agree to disagree though, I'm not trying to force my beliefs on you, just showing my view.
My tulpa has become extremly dependant on love and attention.
Whenever she doesn't get love for a while she starts getting depressed, and some timer later becomes paranoid, starts to panic and crys and loses all reason.
I was advised to let her slowly get used to less attention, so that she can see that it isn't so bad, but she became incredible scared and paniced again as I tried to talk with her about this.
I don't know what to do.
Any particular baggage tied to her conception and visage? Is she a pony, or based on a character you like but did not, yourself, conceive? Did you overbear her with empathy, or anything that might explain an addiction to sentimentality and a total deficit of any notion of independence? How did you go about making her, did you at any point believe (or were frontloaded such a notion by a third party) tulpa could not be independent apart from their creators; might any concurrent or abandoned train of thought, reasoning, or philosophy be responsible?
Pertinent questions, I'll need to cogitate a little while on this to formulate an answer.
This message is about tulpa.info's staff. If you don't want to read anything negative about them, don't read this post. But this is all FACT, not opinion:
I used to be a member of tulpa.info until about a year ago. I attributed a lot to discussions and whatnot, and I feel safe saying that I was a fairly high regarded person on the forums. I helped people whenever I could, and tried to give full answers and not just two-liners.
After awhile, I decided for one reason or another that having a tulpa isn't something I wanted anymore. The process of tulpaforcing was taking its toll on me, both mentally and socially, so I quit. I said goodbye and left cold-turkey. Now, this isn't to say I didn't take anything away from tulpaforcing, I still use my wonderland for stuff non-tulpa related.
Now here's where stuff gets really fucked up. There's a bit of a game going on across the internet, and the person running the game is trying to incorporate tulpa into it in a few ways. One of these ways was to namedrop my name. Another way was to try an contact me via email and try to pull me into the game.
But how did they get my email? Well, a mod from tulpa.info gave it to them, and now I get bombarded with emails about stuff every day. But that's not the most pathetic part of what the staff did to me.
I deleted all my threads before I left tulpa.info for two reasons. ONE: I morally did not feel ok with helping the development of tulpa anymore. I'm not going to try to get everyone to stop in this thread, I'm past trying to do that, but the fact is that I didn't want to have my posts help the development of tulpa in any way. TWO: I didn't want people to be able to find any info on me. So I deleted them. However, an admin gave all my posts to someone who was playing the game mentioned previously. This person is scouring the entire internet for information on me, including trying to find my Facebook (which I just deleted) among other things. The admin enabled this person to find information on me that I deleted because I didn't want anyone to find it.
In short, tulpa.info does not respect your privacy. They'll say that they do, but all someone has to do to get anything they want on you that the staff can get is push them a little. You shouldn't trust them with the life of an ant.
Your tulpa is just a robot. Show her /r9k/ and let her >feel.
It's a superior version of the fleshlight because it's made in Nippon.
That's what you get for putting your information online. No matter how "secure" you think you are, your information will always be available. The internet isn't some safe haven, retard. Plus tulpa.info is shit anyway, you should have seen this coming.
>Is she a pony, or based on a character you like but did not, yourself, conceive?
Pony, but she changed her form very soon on to an original one. There has been times though at which she was sorry for not being the person I tried to create at the beginning. I don't have any problems with her being different though.
>Did you overbear her with empathy, or anything that might explain an addiction to sentimentality and a total deficit of any notion of independence?
Well she surely gets loads of attention more when is sad. Could be that I spoiled her.
>How did you go about making her, did you at any point believe (or were frontloaded such a notion by a third party) tulpa could not be independent apart from their creators
Apart from the fact that they will slowly die if you stop paying any attention to them for a prolonged period? No.
>might any concurrent or abandoned train of thought, reasoning, or philosophy be responsible?
I have no idea.
Some people treated her like crap on omegle and she concluded that everyone outside of tulpamancy has to hate her, but thats idiotic and paranoid.
I didn't put anything like my phone number, it was more like information to follow me online to places I just like to relax and chat at. Now I can't go to those places because of some crazy stalkers.
I do know of some people who actually put their real life pictures in posts. I feel really bad for what could happen to them because of the asshole staff member leaking shit for no reason.
>Some people treated her like crap on omegle
Why did she advertise that she was a tulpa? The entire point of the internet is to put everyone on even ground of anonymity. She could have been anyone in the world for all the other person cared.
It doesn't have to be a phone number or picture of yourself. Any information at all can be traced.
That you, FAQ? It looks like you've a stalker, and not necessarily anyone playing a game with you. 'Less they've revealed some information about what they're doing and are hunting you for. In any case, I didn't use any personal emails on that site, not even to register the IRC nick I use; you don't trust any entity on the internet with personal information, whether Facebook or some start-up website about imaginary friends. I'd say "for shame", but you're probably not an habitual Anon like I am.
In any case, Im relatively newer than you regardless to this community (not quite a year yet, and I wouldn't proffer a guide under anything short of a forum account under a unique alias), but would you care to forward any of the more interesting things they're doing, assuming they aren't just hunting you down to rape you?
Or do you think one of .info's echelon have it in for you?
I put my email in the email box, I'm part of the tulpa.info staff and would like to see how I can help resolve this. Please email me any information you have that you feel is relevant. I know it just sounds like I'm saying it, but I truly mean it when I say that I will keep your information in the highest security and will do all I can to help resolve this.
irc.tulpa.info does not require a valid email address to register accounts. Just keep in mind that the process for getting a password reset requires you send an email to an address from the address listed in NickServ.
I'd like to help you resolve this and I am sorry for anything anyone else has done. Throw me a line and I will be more than happy to help you out as best I can.
Yeah, which was primarily my email, which I chose to remain hidden. The admin had no right releasing it. The posts didn't have much, but still had a few things like my first name, which wouldn't help with anything except to confirm which Facebook account was mine.
I'm not FAQ. The person hasn't said much else as to what they're getting from stalking me, but they did reference an entire folder full of stuff about me that they find.
You can't resolve it now, someone on your staff already gave them everything. Thanks for at least caring though, you should probably find out which one of you is leaking info and kick them out of the staff.
It should mean a lot to anyone short of the coding knowledge needed to hack into a forum-based website and harvest emails. Which is most people. The stalker wouldn't have found anything if the admin didn't decide to hand my email and deleted posts to them.
I see. Again, any information you have that I could use to start an investigation into this incident would be very appreciated. We have had a few staff members come and go recently and part of me hopes that the staff rotation has removed them. Make a fake email address for all I care, I just want to help.
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Then she could give her mental age. Time is a shitty way of measuring things anyway.
100% of what you do online is tracked. You're being stalked by the NSA right now, too. Don't put ANY information online you don't want someone to know. You may as well get pissed off at a phishing site for stealing your information too. It's not safe and it's your responsibility to protect yourself online.
But have they explained their fascination with you? What's motivating their stalking you? I mean, it makes sense if'n you're a "gril" (forum full of repressed autists), or if you're a dude and they're a teenaged girl (with regard to common pathological trends). Have you learned anything else about them?
You can't give them back what's already become collateral damage in this stalker's campaign. Just find out who dropped the dox, get Pleeb on it. This is ridiculous.
The game made a reference or two to me and they think that finding out literally everything about me will help them win. I think that shows what kind of person we're dealing with.
It's a common scapegoat; references to overarching explanations for their behavior. There's no actual "game" I'd wager, they're likely a lone actor. "The game" is a delusional justification for their antisocial behavior, and it can get worse. You did well to delete most traces of yourself from the internet, I'm just sorry it's come to that. Especially since it seems your social networking accounts were associated with your actual identity, and not just an alias.
Well then try to read as many general guides as you can so you have an idea of how to create a tulpa. If you have questions then come here or some other place and feel free to ask.
>Gets told to go to tulpa thread
>goes to tulpa thread
>Gets told to go to his own thread
I think I know the game you're talking about and which former member you are. From what I gather, it's a game where a group making joke subs drops hints and viewers try to piece together information and figure out what's going on. Sort of like Lost, but more underground and internet culture.
I just found what I think is your email without asking a tulpa.info admin or anyone who has. Simple googlery and a post archived on foolz.us. I was also able to view full text of some of your deleted guides. Again, didn't ask anyone, just used archive.org.
So, dunno if your guy actually went to an admin or is pulling your leg with some bog standard doxxing techniques.
[spoiler]If you're getting pulled into this against your will, and if the email I found is correct, why is the name of the game in your email address?[/spoiler]
I'd recommend reading at least one or two, so's you know how to topicize your queries. "Help me make a tulpa" is like a "Redpill me" thread without a subject. I'd be glad to provide advice after you get a little educated. Try Kiadahj's guide for starters.
I have recently stumbled upon this tulpamancy business, and it certainly has caught my attention. I am indeed interested but I really want to give it some thought. Now at first I was a little cynical about it, and encountering the swaths of bronies and lonely virgins that are into this repelled me a little, but I remain intrigued.
Since childhood I have had a vivid imagination that remains with me to this day. I have a highly developed "mind's eye" if you will, and after reading a number of tulpa tutorials, I have a good feeling I might be able to pull this off if I put enough effort into this.
I never had an imaginary friend as a boy, rather I had an entire imaginary world with many beings dwelling within it. Sometimes I wonder if I had inadvertently made several primitive tulpas in the past, and the spectres of some of them are beckoning me to bring them to total fruition. Then again...it could just be my imagination.
Holy fuck this whole thing got even more retarded. I can only remember two people who had some sort of common sense and provided original content. One of them was a ponyfaggot and another was an insufferable annoying faggot.
I don't recall their names, but both of them disappeared from the community when it started to turn to shit.
We don't ourselves advise joining the community et al, we just link to some established material for a little general education, then offer support here, or within our channel on the irc. Preferably here, I've not been to the irc in a a week or two myself, but the majority of it is cancerous, as is much of the community. I try to keep out if it, but I may write up a guide for us here and share it via pastebin. I'm not going through the forums, especially after reading about the gentleman some several posts above.
Honestly, I stick to the IRC channels mainly, they have significantly less drama and are generally a nice place to go to in my experience. #tulpachan is a great place and they set up #tulpageneral-live to allow for in-context discussion of the tulpa general by having a bot (4ChanServ) relay all of the posts as they are made.
Emailed you with the information I have. Thanks much :)
>I put my email in the email box, I'm part of the tulpa.info staff
>I'm part of the tulpa.info staff
You're tech support. And a badly trusted one at that.
>Instead of playing ESO
B-but it only lasts the weekend... I'll drop by later, I guess. Er'time I'm in, it's slow as molasses rolling uphill in the fall. But we've held some nice Q&A sessions, I've yet to unappreciate its over-all tidiness.
Your tulpa should already know why. I don't know about you, but my tulpas know how I feel about things often better than I do myself. If you really have to explain it to her, maybe you do want to introduce her to your parents but don't want to admit it.
That someone is providing help doesn't always mean they're being helpful. But I'm not seeing the help she's providing in this case, so I'll just shut up. My point was that she could've helped you without talking about being tulpa.info staff. It sounds conceited, and on top of that a majority of the people here don't even like .info much, so it'd only make things worse for her.
>Hi, I'm nobody in particular at all with dubious connections at best, but I'm here to help! Just email me your concerns and forward all correspondence between you and this stalker, and I'll get back to you.
Sounds legit and totes less conceited, 10/10, would give SS#, dox, and credit card information.
I feel that's a bit harsh to say.
After rethinking it and being introduced to some of my host's friends, something you could tell her would be that you're afraid of the possibility of rejection from your friends because of it.
Zero, I'm just trying to help as best I can. I value honesty about those kinds of things. I could very well have not said who and what I was, but I decided to anyways.
>why is the name of the game in your email address?
It's not, it's just that a few coincidences made people give a fan-name to the game, which is based off the same thing as my email by coincidence, which caused my stalker to think even more that he has some sort of twisted reason to look into me so much.
>It's one of those "just me" things, but I would be a bit kinder about it.
I honestly would be nicer too. My tulpa is extremly sensitive.
But you get the message either way. Nobody should know. The more know the more dangerous it gets.
How are you even supposed to introduce an entity that doesn't have a physical body or any way to manipulate his/her surroundings to someone?
I told a couple of my friends about my tulpa, but I didn't actually introduce them.
As harsh as it sounds, it happens. I had the reverse situation -- I wanted to talk tulpas with somebody else, but my tulpa was (and is) wholly opposed to it. I told one person that was interested in it, next thing I know other people with whom I held no such discourse queried regarding the purity of my soul and if I was demon possessed. Took a bit of damage control to sweep that under the rug, and I've decided her approval is generally required henceforth.
symbolism is key for this process. if you give it enough symbolism and subconsciously program yourself to mentally kill it well than it will be fine, if you do a shitty job then it will probably fuck up and at that point i really cant say how it will come back
>next thing I know a bunch of strangers start accusing me of witchcraft
Wait, if YoursTruly is staff at tulpa.info, why is s/he even here? Shouldn't you be loyal to one site?
Plus, if you want to write an article or whatever your post was about, why don't you just upload it there?
Doesn't necessarily work. Depends whose will is stronger and who better knows how to make things happen in your brain. A properly formed tulpa who doesn't want to go can be awfully hard to get rid of.
They say something to you and you proxy the response to the person. Or let the tulpa use your body.
Could. It's still in your brain, and if they physically made it through using your body, IRL too.
Still there, he's sorta ceded most control to other mods and admins he appointed.
If they physically made it, legally you. The law sees one entity per body.
Technically anything you write, draw, etc. is automatically copyrighted by you. Filing it just makes it easier to prove in court that you did create it if there's a dispute.
That's actually a good question and has been discussed in some software development channels.
The ultimate consensus was that under the current form of copyright law, it would be the property of the system.
>Shouldn't you be loyal to one site?
I like the tulpa general threads.
alright you fags you've done it, you've won, i'm actually considering this shit
but tell me, how much is it going to diverge from what I want?
Like if I start with a female equine will I end up with something more or less the same, or is there a possibility that it will turn into something completely different that I hate like an angry black male rap "musician" who refers to me as "hoss" and says things like "u best be forcin' me today nigger or im gonna wreck u're shit"?
They created it, but the law sees each body as an entity. It'd be awfully hard to show which of you created it, so even if the law allowed for tulpa/alter/headmate/whatever-created works, there'd by no way to enforce.
>Doesn't necessarily work. Depends whose will is stronger and who better knows how to make things happen in your brain. A properly formed tulpa who doesn't want to go can be awfully hard to get rid of.
if you are too pathetic to get rid of a thoughtform many years your younger than you dont deserve to succeed. its really not difficult, stop lying to people.
thats not a good question, it was awful and obvious. the physical person would get copyright.
>Girls born in 1995 are appearing in pornos now
They'll generally be something that's pleasing to you since they have control over their form, and they have to live with you. They *may* temporarily change form to troll you if that's in their personality, but not permanently. However, there are a good deal of pony tulpas who have turned into women.
You clearly have not dealt with a really strong tulpa. It generally takes quite a few years for them to get that strong.
I don't *think* so. Perhaps if there's some subtle thing you can learn to do with muscles to relieve it they could help you find it.
I know. I thought Xe was a dude, and older than me... If cardscov is younger than me and turns out to be a chick, I'm gonna need a bottle of cheap whiskey to comfort me tonight.
I've been trying to get back into it, Picking up where I left off. The problem is that I feel like its not going anywhere. And when that happens both of us are affected negatively and puts us both in shit moods.
First get into a decent trance. Recall all the things you liked about her. Keep all that in mind and imagine her in front of you with the intention of bringing her there. Or teleport yourself to where she is. Apologize and continue forcing.
>They say something to you and you proxy the response to the person
It's one thing to do that online, since you're just typing, but you'd look fucking retarded if you did that in real life.
and you clearly are mentally weak. and back to the main point, we are talking about someone who forced for a bit and then stopped. it wont be "strong" enough at that point.
as for my experience dealing with "really strong tulpa" i had a 2 year old tulpa try to kill me via subconscious suggestion of suicide. i got rid of him first using this method. it works if you have the will.
Do it right and you look basically like a medium channeling them. Or what >>14153069 said, which looks about like talking to someone with multiple personality disorder.
try keeping one around for a decade or more and tell me how strong they are
They can't control your immune system. They generally can't force you to do something you *really* don't want to do. And at least until they're really experienced at controlling the body the hard part will be keeping yourself from grabbing back control at every moment.
Riddle me this: how easy is it for you to shut off your own immune system, give yourself AIDS by materializing it out of thin air, or throwing yourself off a building? Then look at your tulpa. Then look back at yourself. Then look back at your tulpa. It is now diamonds.
been forcing since just after the womb, my tulpa was my long-lost twin that never made it, he's been pregnant several times and weve been able to switch and mutually possess since kindergarten, ask me anything
What the fuck did you do to ruin your relationship after two years? My tulpa's second birthday is coming up next month and we're perfectly fine together. I kind of figured that as long as you didn't fuck up and make a shitty tulpa, which you would know was the case in like 6 months, you were home free.
The community has a few people who *have* had a tulpa since before it was a thing. Typically created accidentally, or through a "thought companion" thing, or an imaginary friend who slowly became more than that.
MPD shows the brain is capable of it. Also consider hypnosists who make their subjects obey their commands. A tulpa could possess you through similar means. Mine can sorta make a little movement but we aren't all that far with that yet, though it's enough to make me think it is possible.
Have you ever had sex with your brother's ghost?
what i THINK you are saying is people had an archetype for a tulpa that they then made into a tulpa when the community finally came along, and of those people, i bet most are bullshitting.
Actually no. Already sentient and doing their own thing. Why is it so unbelievable to you that someone might figure out how to do this? Not like we hold the one key to some sacred exclusive knowledge. Hell, our procedures are not much more than a more intense form of what kids do to make an imaginary friend.
Which admin was this that gave out your email? I don't recall ever doing it, and we're usually pretty quick at requests to remove personal information from people's posts.
A few names ring a bell of some members that left, though, a few staff (bluesleeve and phi)? Were you the guy with the possession tutorial that you got rid of, later on?
>my tulpa was actually an external entity that i sealed into being a thoughtform
i believe this statement to be true.
It's the nonvocal tulpas that need hugs most. Comfort them and reassure them that there's someone there who cares for them. It can be hard in that period when they want to say stuff but can't get across to you yet.
I guess I just really don't know what a response is supposed to be like. Sometimes I'll get something unexpected, and I'll reply to it just for the hell of it, but I always think that there's something more to it.
It depends on the host and the tulpa. Some people get full out loud auditory hallucinations as the first definite communication. Others get a silent voice that comes from within first. Still others communicate with their tulpa through pure ideas, though that *usually* comes after you have some sort of worded communication.
(Mind's eye) visual stuff can also be used for early communication. A ball they can change the color of, or if you're really good at visualizing, maybe even text.
My tulpa stopped talking to me.
It's been like this for a week
He just stares
He won't leave my room.
We used to be close but i think it's time for it to go.
I thought i could just will it away but it doesn't seem to be that easy
any way to get rid of him??
Sometimes I wonder if our imaginations fuel the expansion of the universe. When the creative and visionary few amongst us conceive of completely alternate realities and the hundreds of thousands of beings dwelling within them; could they indeed come to exist in the distant edges of our reality? That gradually shifting border between the miasma of nothingness and the living, growing cosmos? Is that how we came to exist? Perhaps we are the fanciful creations of some wayward celestial who resides in some archaic province of reality. We are the living, thinking fragments of the universe. A hive-god that propagates the expansion of itself. I really wanted to shatter that wall dividing us from other realms and dimensions. That mischievous devil in me wanted to superimpose all kinds of incredible things into our world. I wish I could open that door and let all those delicious impossibilities spill out.
>My friend keeps doing things to mess with me and it's really starting to get to me. How do I kill him?
>My cat's been staring at me and not eating or anything for a while. How do I get rid of it?
I see far too many people trying to get rid of tulpas over piddly things.
Have you tried asking him what's up? Something may be wrong. If he can't communicate, try to work something out like colors or hand signs. If he's just messing with you, explain that it bothers you and why, and ask him to please not do that.
>What's all this racket going on up in here, son? Your schizo acting up again?
>It's NOT schizophrenia, dad. It's a TULPA, and it's completely different! She's a wholly separate personality and superior to 3D women. Here, I'll switch and show you.
They can help you see other viewpoints. They can think differently than you and give you answers to things that you wouldn't have come up with on your own. They can even sometimes work on a rather complex problem on their own while you work on something else, and come back to you with the answer.
They can also sometimes do 'tricks' like hiding perception of pain and so forth.
I'm worried about things like this once I get started. Are there any SERIOUS cons to having a tulpa. Like, lets say I weir to masterbate, wouldn't he just be there watching me? Or what if I make it female? Then I could just fuck it.
nigger, the body part of the tulpa is just a hallucination.
Sure the tulpa sex probably feels good and if you 'touch' their skin you can probably feel a tactile responds but you cant actually touch a hallucination.
Besides who cares if they watch, they're essentially spawned from you. The only time you should feel embarrassed is if you actually eventually go into some sort of relationship with your tulpa.
Once you're no longer alone in your head, it doesn't feel quite the same anymore. They can buzz off for a while if needed, but still it feels somehow different.
And possibly if you have some latent schizophrenia or something, forcing hallucinations might not be a good idea.
>wouldn't he just be there watching me?
If he wants to and you don't force him not to, yes. He could also go off and do his own thing if it's awkward.
>Then I could just fuck it.
Yes, if you both want that. Either you'd have to learn to do it in a mindscape, or impose her really well. Still, if imposed you'd have to be a bit careful since a tulpa will not support your weight.
Why would lack of actual touch matter that much? It would screw up anything where you'd *actually* be requiring physical support from them, but quite a lot can be faked through tricking the subconscious into treating her as a barrier, so it'll do its darnedest to keep you from putting a hand through her.
As for embarrassment, it can happen. But a tulpa is someone who can see your thoughts a lot of the time, so you may as well just be open with them. They'll generally be understanding since they can see why you think the way you do, even if they disagree.
> What is this "switching" thing, and could it lead to the Tulpa taking for my body completely.
Switching is when your tulpa possesses you and you daydream while they do other stuff. Whoever tells you that you become the tulpa is bullshitting. Whoever implies that you switch places or do anything of the sorts is bullshitting. It's just immersive daydreaming while your tulpa controls the body.
At least, that's the most believable theory I could find on it. I still haven't switched myself, though there were instances where my tulpa had been possessing for so long that I had trouble thinking once she was done. Though, it /should/ be possible, even without a tulpa, since it's basically just sensory dissociation.
There's a few levels of letting a tulpa use your body:
1. Partial possession. This is like letting them use your hands while you retain control of everything else. Typically for something like typing or playing a game. Same deal can be done with your legs to let them walk.
2. Full body possession. Same thing, but with the whole body. Note that you're still there watching your body move on its own. Unless they get extremely good at this, it's insanely easy to nope out of it at any point -- which you can also use to grab partial control to help teach them how to do something.
3. Switching. Same as above, except you dissociate from the body and drift into your mindscape while your tulpa does stuff. It's more or less like being in a dream while they do their thing. In some cases they can even force you around in the mindscape like you can with them normally (well, it's a bit like how you normally lose some presence of mind and conscious willpower when you're in a dream, even a lucid one).
In all of these, until you get pretty used to it, you'll most likely find it way harder to stay doing it than to seize control back at every moment.
>Whoever tells you that you become the tulpa is bullshitting. Whoever implies that you switch places or do anything of the sorts is bullshitting. It's just immersive daydreaming while your tulpa controls the body.
>I still haven't switched myself
For fucks sake zero, if you don't have the evidence to back up your theory, present it as a theory, not as hard indisputable fact.
I'm not claiming to have switched, but I'm not claiming to have divine knowledge of how this works either.
How about this THEORY: What if there's multiple threads of thought, one of which is processing sensory information and controlling the body. The other ones are separated from it and able to think their own thoughts relatively independently (so-called parallel processing). Attached to the "main"/body thread is the set of your memories, experiences and habits that form who you are. Attached to each of the others is a separate set of memories etc. that define each tulpa. Now one way to switch would be to keep the threads of thought as they are and simply change which memory/etc. set is attached to which thread. Now "you" (your memories and so forth) are attached to a "tulpa" thread, experiencing things exactly as that tulpa would, but processing it in the context of you, and memories of it are yours. Meanwhile the main thread is still host, but hooked up to the tulpa's memories and so forth.
It's only a theory, and not necessarily one I think is true. But it's possible and answers your challenge. My point is that WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE FUCK THIS WORKS, therefore we shouldn't claim to know.
>What if there's multiple threads of thought, one of which is processing sensory information and controlling the body. The other ones are separated from it and able to think their own thoughts relatively independently
You're not defining what a "thread of thought" is, and if you take a look at the brain, each part of it handles different kinds of tasks, so I'm not sure what you mean by a "main" thread and a thread of thought that is processing sensory information and controlling the body.
As you can see in the image here, your memories and habits, as well as your thought, happen in the frontal lobe. Touch happens in the parietal lobe, vision in the occipital lobe, and hearing and smell (though smell isn't included in the picture) happen in the temporal lobe, while movement is mostly done by the cerebellum (source: http://neuroscience.uth.tmc.edu/s3/chapter05.html )
This would mean that, during possession, your tulpa is using your ENTIRE BRAIN. In fact, whenever your tulpa is experiencing whatever you are, they are using a large portion of your brain as well, depending on what you are focusing on.
So no, you don't "switch places with your tulpa's stream of thought", what's likely the case is sensory dissociation ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation_(psychology) ) where you stop experiencing your senses and focus on your imagination only.
I hope this clears some things up, I'm generally too lazy to dig through this stuff but I wanted to make clear that "How the fuck this works" is freely available on the internet and it only takes a google search or two to find it.
Use of the brain doesn't have to be either-or. The threads of thought there are probably divided at a higher level than what you're looking at. They'd all occur in the same part if the brain, and just be connected or not connected by association.
I know it's not a perfect analogy but computer analogy: Virtual machine software like VMware or VirtualBox lets you run more than one OS on a computer at once. One is primary and others can be contained and run in virtual machines inside it. For all intents and purposes from the outside they may as well be separate machines, save for the lack of separate physical boxes.
Looking at activity in brain areas the way you're talking about sounds to me akin to looking at individual transistors, gates, registers, etc. in the physical CPU and trying to tell from that what the different VMs are doing.
All processing happens in the same areas of the CPU for all VMs, it's just divided up by time or assigned pretty randomly to different cores for a few milliseconds. You can't tell much about VM status, or even if there's 1 OS running or 5, if you look at the machine at that low a level.
If we go by this, you have multiple streams of thoughts that are assigned by association to one entity or another. Switching is then a process of associating sensory input with a certain entity while all others are dissociated in a mindscape. All of them may be roughly equal, since they're created through merely associating sets of thoughts with entities. Which is in charge is just which is getting sensory input and controlling output.
>I know it's not a perfect analogy but computer analogy
Computer analogies are terrible because software is programmed into a computer and it's entirely customizable depending on what you program into a computer while a brain is "pre-programmed" if you will and will always operate the same way, whether you want it to or not.
Also, brains constantly learn, whether you want them to or not. As long as you live, you're learning, while computers don't learn, they only run programs. They can be programmed to learn and adapt based on what they learn, but it will never be the same as an actual human (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room ). On top of that, there is no such thing as a CPU or VM in a brain. It's a biological organ. It doesn't operate on binaries, it operates on chemistry. Even though computers may seem to operate similarly to the brain (since they are designed to do so) they don't. It took 82,000 processors in the world's fourth most powerful supercomputer in the world to simulate one SECOND of neural activity. (Source: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/for-one-second-a-supercomputer-mimicked-the-human-brain ). Please stop comparing the two in a context where literal functions are highly important.
Also, state sources for your claims. You (?) mentioned that I should back my statements up with hard evidence, why aren't you doing the same? Oh, right, they're just theories. Ok.
You're campaigning against an allegory, and not his argument itself. There's a name for that mode of attack in debate; stop that. I don't necessarily agree with his writ illustration of consciousness and ego, as it appears to conflate and confuse these concepts to me, oversimplifying them.
I'm arguing against what I understood his point to be, not strawmanning. Computer <-> Brain analogies are always flawed though, since there are crucial differences between the two. Even re-reading what he said, I still disagree and stand by my last statement. Though, I have to admit, missed the last bit, so
>Switching is then a process of associating sensory input with a certain entity while all others are dissociated in a mindscape.
If I understood what you meant, then that's the basic idea, yeah. How I see it, "You" are a thought pattern (a.k.a. ego) that thinks a certain way, and your tulpa is another ego, that thinks in another way. Basically, there isn't too much difference between you two, and it shouldn't be impossible for a tulpa to visualize while you experience sensory input (we all have the ability to visualize while doing something else, either consciously or unconsciously) so it shouldn't be impossible for things to happen the other way around.
I'd assume that when your tulpa possesses, your body just moves according to your tulpa's ego/thought pattern, and since your ego doesn't have to put any effort into thinking about moving, you can start visualizing up to a point where you're not even sensing the body anymore.
But these are all just sketchy hypotheses at best, I wish I learned how to actually switch so I could at least affirm for myself that it's possible in the first place. The only people I've seen who claimed to switch were either roleplayers or later on said that they weren't really switched. If switching isn't possible, though, possession isn't either, since you can dissociate from your senses without a tulpa as well. The only difference in this case would be that your body keeps doing shit you're unaware of.
I dunno. Hope someone will figure out more about how switching works or if it's even possible in the future.