>>919893 I think there is something evil about throwing fire at anyone that isn't trying to kill you. I understand stones, I understand tear gas, I understand clubbing from both sides. However fire is merely a practice in torture.
>>920070 Molotov cocktails are singlehandedly the greatest weapon rebels can use against a military/police force. A few of them is enough to fuck up a riot squad. 20 of them will take out armor, because the crew sure as shit won't want to stick around inside while their tank is busy turning into a giant oven.
>>920653 that would just cause more protests, and possibly get those cops fired. besides, if there are even a few protesters with good tactics and discipline, even live ammo could be rendered largely ineffective
>>920624 because the issues of protesters in the US are not matters of life/death and they aren't wholeheartedly committed to them. People with decent lives don't firebomb the police over minor civil rights issues because they actually have something to lose.
>>920587 The violent ones are. If you're serious and willing to use force to get what you want, you should be bombing buildings and assassinating people. Not throwing ineffectual tantrums in the street.
>>921153 It doesn't matter. Just because someone has a bulletproof vest on doesn't mean you can maliciously shoot at them and it wont be called attempted murder. The same applies to molotovs, which can not only burn people alive but can also easily set buildings on fire and kill everyone inside.
>>920697 >seriously street protesting >not bringing a couple dozen melon-sized Czech hedgehogs Easy as fuck to make, as long as you know how to weld and have some scrap metal. Guarantee you they'd think twice about charging them purdy horsies over an irregular field sharp metal, and the horses wouldn't like it one bit even if they did.
A few buckets of larger ball bearings, or hard plastic/wooden balls would work too. (Bit niche to find spur of the moment, but easily acquired with a bit of forethought)
Nothing I love more than seeing protesters getting put in their place by the security forces. Some might say that is undemocratic or whatnot, but given the stupid shit many people around the world tend to protest about these days, I think occasional crack-downs by the security forces are warranted.
>>920070 There's something evil about how a nation's own security force turns on the very people it is supposed to protect. Especially in the case of the Ukraine protests/riots, where Berkut started using live ammunition.
>>921351 There is nothing evil about nation's own security force protecting law obeying citizens from bunch of violent looting thugs whose only goal is to overthrow democratically elected government fampai.
I'm not for wanting anyone to be hurt/killed under any set of circumstances but you should develop a perspective. I'm seeing clips from Venezuela, Brazil, Greece, Kosovo and Russia. No history lesson here; some people are ruled over by a military in such a way that amassing and throwing fire at "cops" is the only meaningful way to express dissent. Also, the relative comfort you live your life in is only possible through centuries of civilian revolt.
Turns out your fat, sloppy, lower-middle class white American world view can't be applied universally. Grow a spine, find a male role model, read a book and take a long hard look at the life you've been leading. You'll be thinking differently.
>>921366 >Turns out your fat, sloppy, lower-middle class white American world view can't be applied universally. Grow a spine, find a male role model, read a book and take a long hard look at the life you've been leading. You'll be thinking differently. Assumptions, assumptions.
Protests for legitimate reasons are fine. But at least in my part of the world and what I see happening in certain other parts of the world, the reasons for protest are often far from worthy.
>>921366 I had a man try to set my house on fire because his favorite ball kicking group didn't kick enough balls. Do you know how fucking ridiculous that is? Do you understand how insane it is that it has happened multiple times? I'm not saying no one should ever rebel under extreme circumstances, but I'm going to still enjoy watching destructive shitheads get rekd.
fb.com/retainyourfreedom/videos/953682721333429/ Anyone know where this is, who, and when? Bold claims are being made in the description and comments, and it sounds like they're speaking French French, but they don't look like no National Gendarmerie I've ever seen. Also I can't find anything about it happening now so it may be 100% bullshit.
Odds are it was a targeted assassination by some combination of mafia, CIA, and FBI elements, similar to JFK. Many revolutionaries including musicians, poets, war veterans, and scientists died brutal or bizarre deaths
Who ever killed him, his non-violent strategies got a lot of legislation passed
>>921674 >>921685 Well actually the escalation of the protesters is because the police won't do anything.
In Korea, like us in Japan, the policemen are not allowed to use real force, like gas, stungun, flashball, firearms, stuff like that. Because of dirty politicians that would rather have a few policemen hurt and wait for the protesters to calm down by themselves that having to deal with the consequences of an EVENTUAL civilian injured.
The last time we had issues with very serious protesters in Tokyo, the yakuza from shinjuku north east had to protect the stores and civilian themselves. A few chinese/koreans got stabbed in the process, but who gives a fuck about those yellow-niggers.
But no politician had to take their responsabilities, so theyre satisfied and the circle continue.
>>920624 They did in the 70s and were shot by the national guard. No one was indicted and it has been since classified as a deadly weapon and use of molotovs and any other fire bomb against civilian, police, state law enforcement agencies, or military personnel is considered a terrorist act.
This is a pre-9/11 ruling built upon the fact that armed protest in the US isn't protected under free speech and has been considered unlawful occupation since the formation of the union.
>>921386 Not the guy you are talking to, but you didn't really refute his point at all. From your POV, which is entirely founded on information you got through second hand sources it might seem unjustified to go to the streets. It might even be. But we can't really discern that from the safety of a well organized state, a million miles away from the protests in question. I personally didn't talk to anyone who went to the protests, neither the police, nor the protesters so I don't judge either, even though the videos might emotionally drive me to take sides. Because guess what? These videos can be easily used to manipulate you. If you see a policeman burning and screaming in pain you might take his side. If you see 10 policemen beat up a protester you might take his side. The circumstances leading up to this point are what counts and we often do not see those.
The French Revolution brought about the birth of the French Republic - a democratic system that still exists until this day. The revolution in Russia brought them out of the Tsarist autocracy - a feudal system with great inequality. Obviously, both of these events did lead to violence and dictatorship but the reasons behind these revolts were sound.
although i find it very hard to get back to the neutral side. i find it unbelieveble those policemen arent allowed to shoot/kill those protesters. I agree on the fact that they have the right to protest, but not to use extremely painful and deadly napalm on a guy who is just doing his job. attack the police and intentionally break his neck is not my definition of protesting. those guys are just there for the fights, the thrill, thinking that they are tough and feeling like a god. i'dd say fuckin kill the basterds. the policemen is not the one they are mad at, but still he has to take the hits for what some filthy rich fuck up in what ever capital city does wrong. if this was happening in my street i would throw Molotov's too, but i would be throwing them at the crowd
>>922349 >for what some filthy rich fuck up in what ever capital city does wrong.
How ironic, so you want them to stay in power? Let's say a revolution takes place(not some small riot), I think the government should give them a challenge but in the end the government should let the will of the people come through. That's how real change happens, for better or for worse. Killing protesters just instills fear and that the government has the power, not the people.
Its funny because the second last tsar was on his way to deliver a letter that would free all of the serfs in Russia. On his way there a group of radicals threw an explosive into his carriage. After the explosion he got out in fear of his driver being hurt whilst putting no thought onto his own life, a second bomb was thrown, killing him. His son arose to become tsar, and because he did not know about his fathers last actions, kept the serfs in Russia.
A peaceful protest can sometimes have a better outcome.
There's your sauce, now FUCK. OFF. Stop spamming this shit you faggot, it was never cool. It makes me happy to see that the mods also realize that you're spamming, and delete your all your threads dedicated to this shit webm
>>922235 Woah, It's almost like they had two completely separate arguments. Happens a lot around here. Here's a condescending break down that you didn't ask for.
>>921335 >I'm an angry dick because some of these protests are for stupid reasons. Cops should beat those punks faces in.
>>921366 >I don't think people should be hurt or killed under any circumstance, but some people need to be hurt or killed under extreme circumstance. You are dumb, and low quality.
>>921386 >You do not know that I am dumb, and your argument is unrelated to the things that I'm talking about. Stop being a douche.
>>922235 >I am an unbiased machine that is triggered by your lack of debate skills. I have no evidence that what you stat is accurate, and small video clips tend to be a skewed source of information. Stop not being omniscient.
>>922325 The Nation Guard got called there for presence/block offs, they didn't actually do any arrests/killing.
However you need to understand that Ferguson got way out of control and there weren't enough officers to control the amount of people that came to the riots at night, even after requesting more police officers from nearby counties. The National Guard gave the police enough time to gain a hold of the riots, because shit like in this webm I posted started to happen more brazenly.
Pro tip: If you're ever in a riot and you want to fuck the police's shit up, have people throw water balloons filled with sodium hydroxide (drain cleaner) it will eat through their helmets, clothes, and any metal they're carrying.
>>922521 >There's your sauce, now FUCK. OFF. Stop spamming this shit you faggot, it was never cool. >It makes me happy to see that the mods also realize that you're spamming, and delete your all your threads dedicated to this shit webm
you must reall feel swell now that you picked on that poor sod
I was in a combat unit on base in a NATO country waiting to be deployed in 2007. There were roumors that a large demo/riot was to take place that day on issue of the Afghanistan war.
Since the base was wayy outside a large city there were only a handful of cops available and base security was a joke. So they gave us some shields and batons and assigned an officer to us who had experience with riots.
As the protesters walked up to the base we were told to form a line outside the gates to prevent them coming in. As the demo turned violent stones were flying and the rioters armed themselves with sticks and iron pipes.
The riot control officer spotted their leader in the front and he gave the command to pretend a rout on our part. So we were loosely falling back and the protesters came closer and closer with victory over us in mind.
As they were 10 or so meters away the officer gave the order to form a testudo. So we did the best to get together and shield us from the front. There was a short stalemate and the riot officer crept up in our ranks until he stood in the frontline right beside me. He gave the order to charge and as we ran he ran in front unarmed and grabbed their leader pulling him behind our ranks where some guys from our unit were waiting and beat him to a pulp.
It was great fun desu. and a melee was something really exilarating. Would do it again.
There were around 100 protesters and we were around 20-25.
But in my opinion they should have shot them as soon as they stepped into the base, since we were a country at war and there was a terrorist threat.
>>920078 I'm not saying anything about justification, reasons, effectiveness. I'm just saying that there is something cold blooded about burning a man. I honestly wouldn't care if someone was a nazi, I wouldn't want them burned to death.
>>924549 Molotov cocktails were originally used as anti-vehicle weapons because the burning fires would starve engines of oxygen.
If you watch, the vehicle tries to move and stops because the engine stalled- they can't leave the vehicle, because it (and everything around it) is covered in burning (and sticky) fuel. They weren't retarded, they were fucked.
It is a training exercise, but take note: See the positioning of the one behind it? If they try to hit the first phalanx from behind they'll get crushed when the rear one moves forward- worse yet, they'll be caught and arrested. Pretty much hammer-and-anvil tactics.
Does anyone here have the webm of the cop on a bike chasing the other two guys on another bike? They throw a helmet at him then crash, and he just pulls up and magdumps his sidearm. Been looking for it for ages, had some trap music over the top as I recall. Thanks in advance
>>922349 Your argument doesn't make any sense. Do you think that protester can go and attack "some filthy rich fuck up" like that? The police would be there to protect him/her. You can't just say they are "just doing their job". Sure they are, but that job isn't about protecting people. They protect the government and the system. And when this system is controlled by banks and big corporations, the police becomes the armed wing of money and corruption. You just don't go and say: I need to eat, I'd be a cop. To be a cop you need some kind of vocation because no one is willing to get hit for something they don't believe in. So either policemen purposely want to protect this system, or they " are just there for the fights, the thrill, thinking that they are tough and feeling like a god".
>>924549 >>925247 Plus, on top of that, if you look at where the vehicle's parked... You'll see a concrete barrier there. I'm sure it's definitely try to plow through them if that weren't stopping them.
>>921153 >shooting a man with ballistic armor isnt attempted murder >lighting a man on fire who has fire retardant clothing isnt attempted murder there is no difference between the two, what are you Swedish or something?
>>923187 I agree, our cops here in germany are perfectly capable of destroying retarded protests about how calling someone back is wrong and that we need to call black people "people of the higher melanin concentration in their epidermis" or some shit but they are held back by retarded laws made by people who don't know what they are talking about
>A Brazilian police officer is caught on camera shooting at two teenage suspects following a high-speed chase through the streets of São Paulo. The footage, which was broadcast live, shows the military police officer firing at the two teens, aged 16 and 17, after they crash a stolen motorbike. Both teenagers were wounded in the incident and the officer has been arrested.
>>920338 it's impossible for humans to "go limp" on purpose when exposed to any kind of force, when you get punched or thrown to the ground you will always, if still somewhat conscious, try to get up again, doesn't matter if you got a concussion or not you will try to get up because your survival instincts kicks in and the only way to get rid of millions of years of evolution is by training really hard
>>928401 >'hue hue give the other side weapons too, see how tough the original guys are' Oh wait, that's called a fucking war, you cock. Most protesters aren't protesting jack shit, they just want to go with the flow and toss flaming tires at 'the man'.
>>926624 they´re ok, we have three auto service stores here, Oxxo, which is the best and most popular one, its has more stuff than the 7/11, then theres a kmart thing, never been to one but seen them, they have a red k on the logo, the 7/11 is the starbucks of service stores, looks better but its actually shit and or basic bitches
>>929071 What the fuck? Are you retarded or some shit? Like did you eat a bag of dicks for breakfast or something? I just want to see what they would do in a situation like that. Jeez, somebody got shit in their cornflakes this morning.
>>926301 wow, so much assumption in that post. how do you know how each police officer is motivated to wear their uniform?
>They protect the government and the system no, they protect the people (the individuals not rioting, but the ones hurt by the mobs) and the enforce laws and rules made by the government, or 'the system' as your pappy probably called it
>>929703 I feel really bad for some of the shit these poor guys have to put up with, they're just trying to do their jobs and they get their asses stomped for trying to protect the peace, these poor guys deserve more respect then that.
'Protestor': >I am unhappy (about something, minor or major) >let me throw molotovs at police >die pigs, you deserve to burn to death (except my uncle, he's a detective) >lets loot and destroy property >sticking it to 'The Man', right? >we are anonmos >we are legun >lol riot is so cool
Police: >I am paid to do a job >stop people from killing or harming others >wear gear to protect me from those that will do me harm >get spat at, baited, but we don't respond. >we are assaulted (man, but they said 'This is a peaceful protest') >firebombs rain down, colleague is badly burnt >baton charge >arrest violent, molotoving protestors >kettle the remaining protestors, so we don't have to hurt them >accused of brutality >I am now evil. Maybe I should've fucking molotoved the cunts
I'm all for protests, but NOT violent ones. I have no respect for trying to harm someone to get noticed/ get something.
>>930059 Peaceful protests do jack shit. Just look at the joke that was Wallstreet protests. They were peaceful sitouts and the cops still tased, arrested, and pepper sprayed everyone. And guess what? Nothing changed. If you want something done, sometimes you must act aggressively to get the elite's attention.
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