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Watched Grave Of The Fireflies this morning. I'm normally a giant crybaby, and everyone always told me that movie would make me cry, but it honestly didn't. I knew, like 20 minutes into the film, that the little kid was going to die, so it had basicly no impact. And most of the film was just boring.
I also just finished Only Yesterday, because Wikipedia told me it was one of only a small number of films that have 100 percent ratings on Rotten Tomatoes, but frankly, I didn't like it either. It was even more boring than GOTF, and the protag came off as one of those people who just sits around dwelling on the past all the time, and wasn't interesting at all. If the movie had just been about her childhood, without the stupid framing story about the farm, I would have probably liked it.
Stalled this about episode 8 or 9 and didn't have the heart to go back, can't remember a single thing I enjoyed about it aside from the OP and sarcastic quadriplegic. Manga is much better apparently so need to keep that in mind
Its mostly great if you enjoyed the first Utawarerumono, but if you're wondering, after the first cour (Episode 13 or so), it becomes more or less a battle anime. Usually about armies clashing, stuff like that. The first half is world/character building.
Up to you if that's interesting.
Mira a cute, a cuuuuuuuuuute
Testing my webm encoder with some openings.
Was going to compare with webm for retards, but gives me errors about avisynth being too old, and apparently it only does CBR or CRF, so I gave up.
Doesn't look too good even at 360p though.
Why would I bother?
First, I load a file. It takes a while indexing and extracting attachments even though I don't need them.
Then I either have to pick between CBR (which isn't good for non realtime encoding) and pure CRF. VP8 can do VBR and CRF with an upper bitrate limit so what is the point of supporting only inferior modes?
Then I need to trim, so I go and I have to go through the frame previewing thing that doesn't even show millisecond and doesn't let you skip to a certain frame or timestamp.
Then I can finally fucking encode, except I can't because he fucked up his dependencies or something.
I doubt it'd look better with CBR anyway.
The preview does let you skip, if you click
crf is for keeping a set quality so you don't have to measure the needed bitrate, the first pass does that
Any other mode even wanting to let people choose bitrate or file size is inferior, they have no idea what is needed on a scene by scene basis
But say if you were to adjust the tolerance window for the fucking quality, the same result of a bitrate limit is achieved
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>The preview does let you skip, if you click
It doesn't let you go straight to a frame or timestamp, you have to guess. You can't even tell what is the time in the video unless you set a point as start or end as far as I can tell.
first pass lets the encoder know what parts of the video need more/less bits and adjust... based on the rate control (be it crf or bitrate).
Assuming 2 pass encoding, CBR is the worst way to control bitrate. Not only is it not accurate but it results in worse quality than VBR.
you believe in power of music, right?
shit was popular bra, had like 70ep and the band had 7 Albums
>CBR results in less quality than VBR
CBR is for livestreaming when the compressor cant see into the future because the file isn't complete and for smoothing out network jitter you dignus
It wont be any worse quality than VBR, its just either too much or too little. WFR does both if you really checked.
Yes so there is no fucking point in using it.
And the "variable" frame rate is just CRF. You can't actually use the VBR mode, it doesn't let you pick a bitrate if you switch to "Variable"
I'll use my own fucking application that can do VBR without rewriting the command line, yeah, thanks for the advice.
If you don't understand the difference between VBR and CRF then you don't know how VP8 works.
So you have to do multiple encodes if you don't hit the bitrate you want?
You do know that VP8 supports using CRF with a bitrate used as a ceiling so you can get the benefits of both, right?
If you're using crf, ffmpeg can't reliably match average bitrate to target bitrate with a single pass. That's why in some cases the average bitrate will be pretty far off from what you specified on the command line.
If you use two-pass encoding, ffmpeg will calculate the variable bitrate values on the first pass then use them to encode on the second. Then your average bitrate value will match the target that you specified. See https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Encode/H.264#twopass (article is for h264, but this applies for VP8 as well).
There's no bitrate field for the variable mode in webm for retards (unless I downloaded the wrong fork) and that's what I'm commenting about.
There is a bitrate field in the constant mode and that does cbr, not vbr.
I know how vp8 works
What exactly is your issue? I'm not even sure what you're trying to say at this point. If you wrote your own encoder (which I highly doubt, at best you wrote another wrapper for ffmpeg), just use it and fuck off. Nobody cares what you think of webm for retards. If you actually have a question, ask it clearly and stop talking about how much more you know about the subject than everyone else.
Are you familiar with the Dunning-Kruger effect? You might want to look into it.
>So you have to do multiple encodes if you don't hit the bitrate you want?
I rarely do anymore, because just from keeping the crf at defaults, and only difference being scene complexity, i have a much better understanding of what is more compressible and what isn't.
If you set an upper limit on bitrate but you don't understand motion compression keyframes and p-frames, your high motion detail scenes will artifact like shitsoup.
You can't just slap a limit on the bitrate and hope it will turn out fine.
The last image post made in this thread was almost nine hours ago.
It's an interface yes, obviously (that's not what wrapper means).
If you didn't care, you wouldn't be defending it, like it's ok to block out the most useful rate control modes of the codec and support the shittiest one by default.
what do I give a shit what you know about compression? If I want a quality level but am worried it might be too low, I set the ceiling and even if I don't get what I was targeting I can upload it.
I bet most people who use webm for retards end up using CBR because they want that 4mb limit, and it ends up worse as a result. I guess the name should be webm BY retards.
>If I want a quality level but am worried it might be too low
crf 10 and tolerance 20 is fine, theres no need to set bitrate limits because if it does go over that it will either be a large overshoot(in which case i split it without re-encoding using Solveig) or way under
for the tiny amount of times its close, increasing tolerance to 22 or 25 has seen a sizeable reduction in ceiling bitrate and thus file size
You seem very determined to use hard bitrate limits manually when that is even more tedious than crf bounds
How is it tedious? It gives exactly the result that you want without having to fuck around.
If I want to use CRF I can use CRF, if I want to hit a bitrate I can use a sane mode like NOT-CBR.
And splitting a file is completely useless. there is no control on when it ends, it will look stupid at best.
DUDE FORCED MEMES LMAO
I've never even used webm for retards, so I really don't care about it at all. I'm just trying to figure out what you're trying to get out of this discussion. It sounds like you're trying to ask questions, but then you assert your superior knowledge of video encoding every time someone tries to answer. Are you just trying to complain about webm for retards or promote your own project? All I've been able to gather so far is that you have very poor communication skills and a severely inflated ego.
Also, that is what wrapper means. FFmpeg already has an interface (a command line interface). Maybe you're actually accessing the ffmpeg C libraries directly, but I doubt it. Assuming you wrote a GUI, whatever toolkit you're using almost certainly can't interact with ffmpeg directly, so you must have written some code to adapt the GUI toolkit's interface to ffmpeg's. That is a wrapper. You didn't write ffmpeg's interface, you didn't write the GUI tookit, all you contributed was a wrapper and some GUI design. But that doesn't matter, there's no point in arguing semantics. I'll agree to your terminology if it helps you get to your overall point.
If you are not even talking about the same thing, then why are you responding at all?
I already mentioned I was talking about webm for retards and I never even mentioned my application so I have no idea why you would think that I am promoting anything. I do have to remind you I know how shit works when you keep ignoring what I am saying and re-explaining the same shit 5 times.
Normally you do not call programs that process a fair bit of data "wrappers" even if they have the goal of processing something with a specific library or application. Processing input in GUI components and transmitting them to an application doesn't make a wrapper. Directly mapping between two software libraries with minimal processing does, but that is different.
And for the record I am using libav c libraries, not ffmpeg though.
I was going to make fun of you guys, but actually it was pretty hard for me to find as well.
First, because I'm not a complete newfag, I saved the webm and opened it in VLC, but the title just said "the game". So that was no help.
Then I tried googling the words she says.
>Ansuz Fehu Uruz Thurisaz
Unfortunately, these are apparently just the names of actual ancient norse runes. So it produced a lot of irrelevant bullshit. I tried including the keyword "anime".
>Ansuz Fehu Uruz Thurisaz anime
But Google ended up just returning most of the same results, but with the word "anime" crossed out. I got a little desperate.
>Anime with runes
This just produced a completely different anime, called Rune Soldier. No good. But then….
>Anime runes Ansuz
After scrolling past dozens upon dozens of irrelevant images, I managed to find this.
The first tag, it would seem, is the name of the anime.
Shinsekai Yori. It's pretty rad, aside from the momentary gay shit.
Person I have my lez-bo-matic trained on just lez'd herself a raingun, and is now slowly charging it, may as well STAND IN PLACE IN TWO NEAT ROWS and not rapidly finger the trigger of my lez-bo-matic.
how did i forget about this show, quite enjoyed it, pero
Long years on 4chan have conditioned in me an extreme aversion to asking for sauce, lest I be castigated rightfully as a knave. Only once all avenues of investigation have been exhausted will I resort to the Call.
>can't fucking seed
>every few hours one faggot with a 7kb/s connection
>suddenly someone with a relatively blazing fast 620kb/s connection
Fixing my seed ratio is suffering.
Anyone know a good one to seed?
I know the quality and size is shit, but it's a 3 and a half minute song so y'all just gonna have to deal.
Watch out, brother. The copyright nazis control all the internet providers these days. They'll bite you in the ass. They've bitten me twice. I don't even dare seed anything anymore, since they threatened to cut off my internet entirely.
A boy falls in love with a girl.
Unable to confess, he is gifted with by a deus ex machina with the girl's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.
But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's confessions to the girl, she only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the girl he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn't exist in this universe at all. She is the girl's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.
As much as I loved FLCL, any sort of sequel would just explain everything in the story, or at least give more information to go off of. The only reason I think FLCL is as fun as it is derives from the fact that most people have no idea what the fuck is going on.
Agreed. The whole point of FLCL, and one of the reasons why it should be everyone's first anime, is precisely because it makes so little sense, and seems to follow weird crazy dream logic from start to finish.
it doesn't represent 99% of anime at all though, either you don't like it and stop watching anime because of it even though you could enjoy normal shows or you like it and then get disappointed if other shows aren't like it
flcl is fun but it is no way a good anime to start with
But a lot of anime— and I mean a LOT— contains all sorts of weird abstract moments that sometimes don't make much sense. FLCL gets you into the mindset of watching anime. Furthermore, at a measley six episodes, it's one of the shortest anime series out there, making it very easy for a noob to get through. It was my first anime, and I'm glad it was.
>weird abstract moments that sometimes don't make much sense
have you ever considered that they make sense you just don't know what they mean? also no it's not a good show to start with if you want to get into anime, it's better to just start with entry level shows that grab people's attention and not just "lel this show is so WACKY XD" not to mention that flcl made plenty of sense as well, so again it's better to watch it once you know the roll and not just be "lel I don't know whats happening xD"
Watching anime should, above all else, be fun. If it weren't fun, we wouldn't do it. Kill La Kill is a fun anime. It's completely over the top in every respect. Things only barely make any sense. There are lots of anime that are like that. FLCL takes that to the utmost extreme, and does so in only six episodes. It's one of the funnest anime there is. Sure, if you're some snobbish pretentious nutcase who insists that anime is high art, then maybe you care about how everything in FLCL actually totally makes complete sense but is just incomprehensible to plebs like the rest of us, then yeah, maybe you don't think a noob should watch it. But I watched it, loved it, and then watched more anime.
FLCL is one of the WORST anime i've ever seen, to this day i still don't know how i mustered the will to plow through each chapter of stupid nonsense, it's one of the reasons i hate gainax in general as they don't do anime i enjoy.
I'd NEVER make a new guy start with FLCL after one ep they'd just abandon it and never watch anime, it's the worst first impression you can give unless that person is into abstract and nonsense crap.
FLCL is NOT fun, kill la kill for example is, just like TTGL, because it makes sense and is over the top, FLCL is boring, short and doesn't make sense, there's also no story.
sorry but i like my animes with cold brutal hard sense and well defined world-rules, also with a specific storyline(if possible, however thin it might be)
Look, I love seinen too, but I would never have discovered seinen if I hadn't gotten into anime as a whole in the first place. If you're just some newfag who's never watched an anime before, and you jump straight into Paprika or Planetes or whatever, it's just going to seem like "animation, but japanese". It's not going to lure you into anime as a whole. You need something that really brings out the ways anime is stylisticly different from western animation. There are two really good avenues to that, in my opinion – either FLCL, or anything by Ghibli.
All I'm saying is that if somebody's never watched anime before, and you want to get them into anime, don't fucking make them watch some hard seinen like Planetes. Even if they like it, it won't get them into anime as a whole.
A newfag to anime should watch newfag anime. They can watch deeper stuff later. FLCL is a good starter anime for two reasons: it's only six episodes, and it shows off the weird side of anime, something you don't see a lot of in western animation. They don't have to "get" it. They just have to have fun.
flcl isn't a good entry anime, and ghibli are normalfag movies, neither are good representations of anime at all, if you want representitive wacky anime then you should recommend shaft shows, but then again I don't think those are good to start with either, kyoani, jc staff, artland, madhouse shows are a lot more suitable for people to get into anime
Well, whatever you choose, just make sure it's short. No longer than 13 episodes. If someone hasn't watched anime before, you can't guarantee you'll hold their attention for a series longer than that. If FLCL is out of the question, then I maintain that Ghibli films are a good second option. You say they're "normalfag" movies, and maybe they are. But if a person watches one Ghibli film and really likes it, then they're likely to want to watch another Ghibli film, and then you're on a roll, and you can get them into the genre.
>just make sure it's short
that's a shit advice, people want stuff that grabs their attention for a long time not a chopped up movie, just consider that most people get into anime by watching dragonball, one piece or naruto that have hundreds of episodes
the problem with ghibli films is that they're already tailored towards normies and westerners, so if people assume that anime is like that then watch an otaku show then they'll be like well this isn't like ghibli movies so I don't like it, ghibli doesn't introduce the medium, it's just disney 2.0 so it's pointless
>most people get into anime by watching dragonball, one piece or naruto
Are you fucking joking me right now? Almost nobody who watches any of those three shows actually gets into anime. Maybe a large number of people who DID get into anime started off with those shows, but starting off with those shows has almost no chance of actually getting a person into anime.
>the problem with ghibli films is that they're already tailored towards normies and westerners, so if people assume that anime is like that then watch an otaku show then they'll be like well this isn't like ghibli movies so I don't like it
This is bullshit. Ghibli makes all different genres. Princess Mononoke was the first anime feature length I saw, and was a great entry to seinen generally. But there's also little kid stuff like Totoro that could easily lead a person towards more girly type things. I could see a person who liked Totoro or Spirited Away really liking Princess Jellyfish, for example. It's all about tailoring your recommendations to what they initially like.
> Maybe a large number of people who DID get into anime started off with those shows
>Almost nobody who watches any of those three shows actually gets into anime
I know it's kind of evident but are you actually retarded?
Projecting your autism on others isn't really a good argument either.
Again you're projecting your shit opinions like it would apply to everyone in the world. The word "seinen" doesn't even have a meaning for original movies, stop throwing words around that you have no actual idea of.
>I could see a person who liked Totoro or Spirited Away really liking Princess Jellyfish, for example
Yeah I'm sure someone who liked a fat forest spirit playing with kids would enjoy watching a transvestite gaylord hanging out with shut-in socially awkward woman.
Well it's not like I'll change your inane opinions with anything I say so whatever but go ahead and recommend people to watch flcl and totoro then show them currently airing shows and see how much they like it.
>I know it's kind of evident but are you actually retarded?
You're apparently the retarded one, if you can't understand my argument here. I'll try to make it simple for you.
Suppose 100 people watch Dragonball Z, and 10 people watch Spirited Away. Now suppose 10 of those Dragonball Z watchers become anime fans, while 5 of the Spirited Away watchers become anime fans. There are 15 anime fans total. Now, 2/3 of them might have started out watching Dragonball Z, but that doesn't make Dragonball Z a good starter anime, because it had only a 10 percent success rate. By contrast, only 1/3 of the anime fans started out watching Spirited Away, but it's still a good starter anime, because it had a 50 percent success rate.
Do you get it now?
that's literally what you did though, and you actually believe you're insightful for doing it, and now try to pull the "lel ur a kid" card, I'd recommend you to leave now, you're clearly too stupid to post on this site
>that's literally what you did though
No. It isn't. I explained why my statement – that Dragonball Z watchers making up a large portion of anime fans, yet Dragonball Z being a poor starter anime – is not a fallacious statement. In order to explain this, I used some example numbers. You failed to comprehend even the concept of using example numbers, and thought I was actually asserting that Dragonball Z had exactly 100 viewers, Spirited Away has been seen by exactly 10 people, and that there are exactly 15 anime fans in the world, 10 of whom were Dragonball Z viewers and 5 of whom watched Spirited Away. A person could only have made such a blisteringly stupid interpretation of my post if they were a fucking twelve year old who hasn't even gotten to their first basic algebra course in middle school. If you are not twelve, then you are a colossal moron.
>simplistic opinion supported by made up numbers
I get what you say I'm just telling you that it's stupid and your justification for it is also extremely stupid so I don't see how could you expect anyone to say that "oh your argument is shit but with those made up numbers now it all makes sense!"
honestly how dumb are you
They are EXAMPLE NUMBERS. I was trying to demonstrate for you how a show's watchers could make up a large portion of the anime fanbase, yet the show have a low overall success rate at generating anime fans. That you still have not grasped what I was trying to say, after posts and posts and posts of just saying, "You're stupid! You're stupid! You're stupid!" makes me wonder if I was being too generous by estimating your age at twelve. I'm starting to wonder if you might not still be in elementary school.
>how have a low overall success rate at generating anime fans
it's fucking numbers you just made up that pander to your opinion and you expect people to be convinced by it, holy shit how fucking stupid are you
no it's not, either you provide actual source for numbers or it's useless, you can't just say that "my method has a higher rate of success because I made up these numbers" you can't just say "it's an example it's an example" randomly either, or here my example is that you're an idiot and you make no sense therefore I'm right, great argument isn't it
I am going to try to explain this to you in terms even a six year old could understand, since that is clearly what you are.
I am not suggesting that Dragonball Z had literally 100 viewers.
I am not suggesting that Spirited Away had literaly 10 watchers.
I am not suggesting that, in the world, there are literally 15 anime fans, literally 10 of whom started out by watching Dragonball Z and literally 5 of whom started out watching Spirited Away.
What I am suggesting is that, if a large number of people do THING A, and a small number of people do THING B, then just because there are a large number of people who did thing A doing thing C and a small number of people who did thing B doing thing C does not mean that thing A has a better success rate at generating people who do thing C than thing B is. The only thing that matters is the percentage of people who did thing A who went on to do thing C, and the percentage of people who did thing B who also went on to do thing C.
Therefore, the statement, "A large number of people who watch anime started out watching Dragonball Z; but Dragonball Z is still a poor generator of anime fans," is NOT A FALLACIOUS STATEMENT. It might be wrong. It might be factually incorrect. We would have to know the actual statistics to be able to determine whether it is true or not. But it is NOT FALLACIOUS.
That is what I am saying, you unbelievable fucking brainless piece of shit.
that's the problem there, it's not a credible argument if it relies on numbers you make up
literally if I did this at uni and held a presentation about comparing the elisa test and the real time pcr for indicating gmos and I just made up numbers that say elisa test is better because I like that one, then people would be just like "okay cool but where do those numbers come from?" "well I just SUGGEST that these numbers are true" what do you think they'd do, they'd just sit there like..... okay, you can go home now
I can't even believe it.
I cannot believe that you are still not understanding.
You still think I am asserting real actual real life numbers here.
You are still not understanding the concept of an example.
You know what? I take it back. I don't think you're a six year old. I just think you're fucking trolling me now.
umm nah, you just don't understand how saying a what-if that benefits your point isn't a legit argument, and now you're throwing a tantrum about it, finish high school first before complaining about debates
I am trying to explain why my statement was not fallacious.
I am not trying to prove the truth value of my statement.
I refuse to believe that you do not understand this.
I am convinced that you are being willfully obtuse.
I wouldn't even be surprised if it was literally the same person the whole time, just arguing with themself.
that shit is for weebs though
Yeah, but I got all my webms from this thread or previous iterations of this thread. I hate reposting. :/
if you mean megumin's scene then there you go
>Anime is Loli fapbait
>Big tits character is far better fapbait.
does anyone have a webm or gif of misato shooting a gun in end of evangelion?
ffmpeg makes awful gifs, so if you wanna downshifted someone else well have to do it.
Here's the entire scene, if anyone wants it.
I don't think that guys methods are capable of fucking with metadata. Honestly not sure why they still use it. The Webm's are subpar as is. Their business.
Eitherway, I'm sure if you search 'Under the Bridge' on any anime repository something will come up.
Different strokes for different folks. Though I'm sure some would disagree.
Also, 350/117 is abysmal guys. C'mon guys.
So apparently if you youtube "Kokoro Connect episode 1", one of the first results is a completely different anime, in a completely different genre, called Hitsugi No Chaika. I started watching the first episode, and it's… actually kind of good, I guess. Has anyone watched the whole thing? Is it worth picking up?
chaika is great
yeah also those milky thighs tho