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>>880261
"informative"

Welp, jet fuel doesnt melt steel beams, but air dissolves it

To be fair...something about 9/11 is a big lie.

LIVE news reported that building 7 was colapsing before it even did, how do we know?
It was LIVE, you were able to see the building in the background and it was standing there.
They predicted the destruction of that building a lot sooner then it actually was on LIVE NEWS.

>>880269

http://www.mediaite.com/online/angry-metal-worker-makes-video-debunking-jet-fuel-cant-melt-steel-beams-911-meme/

>>880261
>>880262
>>880264

Love that music

>>880298
The argument is not that it cannot soften steel
the argument is that they found puddles of steel at the base of the tower.
that means LIQUEFIED steel that hardened back to solid steel
Jet fuel could not have liquefied the steel into puddles.
If this man exposed it to 1800 F temperatures and it did not liquefy, the jet fuel could not have made it liquefy.

>>880298
if you wanna play the link game we can
http://www.takeourworldback.com/smokinggun.htm

>>880298

On top of
>>880356

there's also the fact that assuming that the steel softened enough to cause a collapse and a chain reaction collapse of the entire thing (And it's already streching it) the way it collapsed wouldn't be possible if the steel had just softened but could only be explained by temperatures a lot higher and definitely spread wider.

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>>880356
>not that it cannot soften steel

Of course not. Because it hardens the steel and changes its properties from high tensile strength to high hardness and brittleness.

If fired in a goddamn forge again and allowed to cool properly the steel would be hardened and strong, In its intermediate state, it's not fit for anything.

9/11 threads are great because it's like babby's ferst metallurgy

>>880710
This shit.

>>880386
>there's also the fact that assuming that the steel softened enough to cause a collapse
yes, but since the jet fuel and other burnable materials in the building could easily get hot enough to soften the exposed steel to failure point, it seems like the most logical explanation right?

>to cause a collapse and a chain reaction collapse of the entire thing
A chain reaction is pretty easy to understand. Buildings are often demolished by blowing out a couple of the middle floors and allow the top floors to destroy the bottom ones. This is much easier for sky scrapers, as they invariably get their structural strength from steel, which if warped can easily cause the entire structure to lose its rigidity.

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>>880710
That is not how steel behaves under those temperatures, and the heat wouldn't compromise the structural integrity of the mega-structure of the WTC.

>>881715
>That is not how steel behaves under those temperatures
oh, do go on anon. Please tell us more.

>and the heat wouldn't compromise the structural integrity of the mega-structure of the WTC.
LOL! So if a building is just big enough, it doesn't matter is it's structure on certain floors loses 50% of their structural strength, because the building is so big? You should become an engineer anon.

>>881715
Thank you for your sources.

t.CivilEngineer

>>881720
>>881723
The beam fractures in 20 different places all at once as it falls straight down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center
>The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa).

Do you have any idea how strong those welded columns were?

I know how steel behaves when it's heated, I work with it everyday.

Here is a Dutch Demolitions Expert on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc

>>881720

This is just how 9/11 conspiracy retards work. They hear from someone who heard from someone who read in an article one time about something and then they all accept is as gospel from then on because it confirms their view of events.

>>881736

I'm not sure your dumb-dumb welding job qualifies you as a structural analyst.

>>880261
You didn't post anything informative.

>>881744
The rivets/weld joints all give way at the same time in mid air, don't you understand?

Something else is going on here. Clearly. Watch the video closely.

Just for one second entertain the plausibility of an idea without accepting it--test out its plausibility--it's what men do.

>>881736
>Do you have any idea how strong those welded columns were?
In terms flexural strength, not very. which makes sense since they were not designed to bend, just bear a load. You can very clearly see them slowly bending inwards in the minutes before each tower collapses. see >>880710
. Was this done by explosives too?

>I know how steel behaves when it's heated, I work with it everyday.
So you know that it loses most of its strength at the heat it was in the towers. I'm glad.

>>881736
>Here is a Dutch Demolitions Expert on the subject:
wow, yeah, now that i hear an actual expert talking about this it seems so much more plausible. Here's some of the best bits from the video:
>journalist: the building collapsed on the same say as the towers
>expert: really? are you sure?
>j: yes, 7 hours after.
>e: really? You're sure?
>j: yes
>e: ......... they must have worked fast

>j: so they must have gone in there while the to demolish the building while it was on fire?
>e:............... it's odd I agree. I can't explain that.
I feel embarrassed for you anon.

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Do your homework guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqqelDq4P48

>>880261
>>880262
>>880264
What are they even trying to prove at this point? Its hilarious that they are so desperate for evidence for a conspiracy that misbehaving dust is their proof.

>>881812
jesus christ. I just watched those clips. They are getting worse.

Whatever man. I don't give a shit about this anymore. Bush did it, the jews did it, terrorists did it. fuck off.

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>>881951
This makes too much sense

There's about a dozen different ways to incontrovertibly prove that 9/11 was an inside job but here's the thing: You can't persuade an irrational person through facts, logic, or evidence.

And we just have no answer for what to do about the fact that the MAJORITY of humans are irrational.

They THINK that they think. You'll never convince them that they're not thinking.

>>882155
Most people are smarter than you, and aren't so easily convinced by lies and half truths, Its part of growing up, and becoming more skeptical.
All the 9/11 conspiracy theorists have decided its the truth that it was an inside job, then they go out to prove it or reconfirm for them self, because that is what feels good. It doesn't feel good to realize you were tricked.
How about you just take a bit of time and watch some videos debunking the shit they are putting out?

>They THINK that they think. You'll never convince them that they're not thinking.
You watched a bunch of documentary and just agreed with them, that is not how you think.

Oh for fucks sake who gives a fuck about 9/11 anymore, I don't care if you yanks did this to yourselves or not, get the fuck over it. Stupid fucking americunts.

>>881715
>>881787
These anons have watched only part of the WTC 7 collapse video and have decided that they're experts.

>>880265
its the truth m8

>>880286
also, they say it collapsed because the material was overheated.

Thats bullshit, a building in Italy i think, was made of the same material, was in flames for multiple days, without collapsing.

Thats the only think i was to be fishy about 9/11

>>880710
On behalf of all my metallurgical professors, fellow students and all the metallurgical engineers I know I thank you for this accurate and concise answer.

Seriously it is like no body I talk with understands what a simple softening point is.

>>882980

> more stars in milky way than grains of sand on earth

I stopped watching there... fucking redards, i bet a womyn made that video

>>883010
2/10, apply yourself

>>883010
But it would be true if they said

more stars in the milky way than in grains of sand on earth

Thankfully none of the gains of sands on earth give out even a fraction of solar nuclear energy.

>>883011

wut? explain yourself

>>881715
>>881787
9/11 conspiracies are a defense mechanism for people who are too scared to believe that their lives are random accidents and construct elaborate theories to explain horror and give them a sense of control over their fate.

The truth is, you could die at any moment. Your neighbor could snap and come at you with an axe, you could get robbed and shot, an aneurysm could pop in your head and you hemorrhage to death at your desk, all alone.

Enjoy everything and be glad you're not one of those kids who get cancer before puberty and never get to experience the joys you've had because there's nothing after this.

>>880710
>>881715

Thing is everyone forgets neither building waas made to actual spec, there was all kinds of shortcuts and poor workmanship because of the unions and working saving money. AND both a big very very heavy buildings.

>>881787
I was a controlled demolition. Larry Silverstein decided to "pull" the building.

>>883133

You're hilarious. First off, anyone has the free will to do as they please, so it's apparent that anyone 'could' do something horrific. To sit and talk about the human psyche, then try to say that has anything to do with SOME of the bigger inconsistencies with those events that took place and findings after the fact.

That being said, there's no correlation in whatever pessimistic stuff you're spewing to shoot down someone's aggregated information being shared. Whether that's informative is a matter of interpretation and factual support; unlike what you think you know about what is, "after this."

If you think it's a defense mechanism, you're mistaken. Too many people have been wrongly done throughout time, and hence the idea of conspiracy as it is. It's not a matter of the "conspiracy theory" it's the matter of who was behind the plan that DID happen.

Debunks:
• Beams losing support? Sure, I'll bite.
• Took over a plane with box cutters? Lol

Stuff that still stands:
• Bush and Bin-Laden family being an item, including a meeting the day of, with Bush Sr. and Bin-Laden's brother in attendance?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/george-w-bush-and-the-bin-laden-family-meet-in-new-york-city-one-day-before-911/5332870

>>882155
>There's about a dozen different ways to incontrovertibly prove that 9/11 was an inside job
So what's the single most compelling incontrovertible proof you have then?

>They THINK that they think. You'll never convince them that they're not thinking.
In my experience conspiracy theorists are both the ones who complain about people doing this the most, yet also do it themselves the most. kinda the definition of projecting right there.

>>883250

No, he said to pull the firefighters out of the building.

>>883314
>Took over a plane with box cutters? Lol
If it were fabricated, why wouldn't they use a more compelling weapon? That's one of the many places the whole US-led conspiracy theory thing falls apart. If the US government really was competent and malevolent enough to stage an attack like 9/11, why wouldn't they stage a more convincing one?

It's well established that the key players in the Bush administration were looking for reasons to invade Iraq long before G.W. Bush was elected president. If that was their goal, why start a pointless decades-long war in Afghanistan and then jigger up an obviously bogus excuse to invade Iraq when they could have just staged an attack that implicated Iraq directly? If they wanted to keep things quiet, why pin the attack on Osama Bin Laden, a former US-backed Mujahideen and errant son of a massively powerful family with strong ties to Bush? If they're capable of orchestrating such a complex operation, why would they make a stupid mistake like blowing up WTC building 7?

>Bush and Bin-Laden family being an item, including a meeting the day of, with Bush Sr. and Bin-Laden's brother in attendance?
The Bin Laden family are oil tycoons and run one of the biggest investment groups in the middle east. The Bush family are oil tycoons that operated offshore drilling rigs in the Persian Gulf. It's no surprise they had overlapping investments. Osama had 53 siblings and was disowned by his family in 1994.

There are two possibilities: Either the US government staged a major attack on US soil, but did so in a needlessly complex way that left lots of holes and tied it back to the President; or a well-known anti-US terrorist organization carried out an attack on US soil and the government seized upon it to achieve foreign and domestic policy goals. Occam's razor should help you pick one.

>>881736

That video is some spooky shit

>>881849
this

>>880356
>implying the molten substance was steel

how do they know that. could be literally anything else that was in the GIGANTIC TOWER

I can believe that the steel could lose intergrity, even with that shitty, black smoke oxygen starved fire in the towers. But I have never heard a good explanation for the presence of liquid steel at Ground Zero.
The only plausible explanation I have ever heard for Tower 7 is demolition. Had that building imploded because of a minor fire, we would have had a MASSIVE re-evaluation of our building codes. Structures condemned, rebuilt, reinforced. But nope, not a one.
So watch out, kids. Next time someone on the 35th floor microwaves a pop tart with the foil wrapper on, the whole building could implode.

>>882980
If we only had a clue how life actually started on earth or how likely it actually was.
The problem is we have a very small sample size of n=1. We can't extrapolate a thing from it. The odds are equally likely that there is other life in the universe as there's none except us. That is, we can't base any odds because we don't know anything to base them on.

>>883190
>poor workmanship because of unions

you know who doesn't do shoddy work? Well payed laborers.

Stop buying into the bullshit they feed you to exploit your labor.

I aint even socialist

>>883553
>But I have never heard a good explanation for the presence of liquid steel at Ground Zero.
maybe it wasn't liquid steel maybe it was liquid something else

>>880261
so there was only steel in there?
steel paper, steel people, and steel insulation?

>>883618
Like Aluminium from say... two crashed aircraft?

>>883553
>But I have never heard a good explanation for the presence of liquid steel at Ground Zero.
Nukes, I don't buy it, but whatever.

>>881740
isn't that how most people work except what they believe to be true and question what contratraticts it. its why cults use the truth truth lie system.

>>882980
this is kurzgesagt right?

Here's my question for the controlled demolition theory.

Preparing a skyscraper for demolition is a long and messy job involving precision application of explosives. Over five thousand people worked in the towers. For the controlled demolition theory to have even a lick of credibility, it would have to involve a demolition crew capable of working out of sight of over five thousand people, never leaving ANY evidence of their work behind (e.g. steel shavings, bits of insulation, obvious patches on walls) at the end of each shift for the months it would have taken to complete the job.

No survivor to my knowledge has reported evidence of structural work at any time before the attack. Therefore I am disinclined to believe the theory.

>>883629
Yes. Everything is steel now.

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>>880261
As a former construction worker and demolition GC, if you think concrete doesn't produce dust when demolished than you're a special kind of moron.
>How to bob and weave

>>881740
The other factor that makes conspiracy theories uniquely contagious is that they contain epistemic defense mechanisms. Anything that agrees with the theory is taken as support ("that's exactly what you would expect"), and anything that disagrees with theory is also taken as support ("that's exactly what they want you to think"). Once a person accepts the premises of the theory, it becomes nearly impossible to disconfirm.

>>880298
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/blacksmith-9-11-conspiracy-theory-debunked/
tl;dr
1) Why did you heat it beyond 1500 to 1800 degrees, 300 more than jet fuel?
2) How long did you heat that small bar to get it to 1800 degree, and how long were the WTC thick beams exposed to heat, and did they get to 1800 degrees?
3) how many WTC beams reached temps of 1800 to soften to the point of failure, and were there enough soften beams to cause the collapse? How widespread were the WTC fires.
4) Most importantly, why don't all high rise steel framed building fires result in collapse. WTC were the first to collapse from fire.

Obviously your experiment is overly simplistic and ignores numerous factors.

>>890558
>Obviously your experiment is overly simplistic and ignores numerous factors.
And your beliefs are full of bullshit and crazy.

>>890565
That's part of the article and not my own words. I simply do not accept that guys debunking and if you're going to be that big of a dick about debunking something is it so much to ask the full story?

There is literally no difference between people blindly following the conspiracy (with no proof) and and thinking those people are idiots (with no proof).

First of, I'm British, so any American who doesn't know what I'm about to post is a fucking moron.

During the 1990's there was an attempted terrorist action on the WTC involving a van full of explosives. After that failed attack the Government worked on counter measures to ensure a minimal loss of life were it to ever happen again. This might explain why it looks more like a controlled demolition.

On the other side though, I think the Government weren't too concerned with losing the towers considering what information was there and also what information was in tower 7.

What you saw is what happened, but that doesn't mean the Government couldn't have orchestrated it.

Personally I feel like every one just needs to hold their hands up now and admit they have no fucking idea what truly happened, because none of us ever will.

>>890526
Good post

>>882991
Says the uneducated person as thousands of professionals in dozens of related fields all explain how 9/11 Truthers are all provably wrong.

>>898999
9/10 video that could have easily been a 10/10 if it had started off explaining why the wolves were "reintroduced" in the first place. The ladder step above. It's because we hunted them to near extinction. Meaning we had the negative impact on the park, not the deer. We were the ones at fault for the state of the park in the same way that the rivers were the result of the wolves. We're the only ones who don't play our part. We just ruin things.

>>899018
Aren't we also the ones who brought back the wolves?

>>881689
Heating up steal causes it to become hard and brittel now?
Are you fucking retarded?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmt-lOZJ5Xw
hard and brittle my ass.

>>883618
>>883988
or filing cabinets
or desks
or chairs
or ceiling fixtures
or one of any other million sources of aluminum at a fucking office building

>>882980
This made me pick up Spore again

WTC 7 doe

>>882976
this was quite nice anon, where's it from?

>>880386
you people are so stupid

buildings are designed to catastrophically breakdown so that they don't tip over. if it didn't have total failure throughout the entire building, the towers would have tipped over and killed thousands more

>>880356
>they found puddles of steel at the base of the tower
That was the aluminium used in the facade, you actual retard.

>>881715
Really? Have you done all the calculations, or are you just guessing?

>>899832
Very informative, mate, thanks.

>>882980
>keep life going until the universe breathes its final breath

this shit really bothers me, and depresses me so much

>>898999
good webm

>>899066
Yes. But that's still not our part to begin with.

>>883395
there was liquid steel on site flowing down the beams
jet fuel cannot liquefy steel beams.
it can soften them, but not liquefy them

>>901270
thats a shitty perspective m8, we know jack shit about that

>>880264
Ah, yes, the famous dustification justification

>>901381
>steel
lol

>>899018
So you didn't like it because it didn't cater to your PETA-tier, "I hate humans, they can do no good and are the cause every problem" rhetoric.

>>899018
what is this some kind of animal cuckolding or something?

Beavers teraform rivers by building dams, which causes a lot of changes in rivers, Trees destroy grasslands by means of succesion, etc. It's a part of life. The deer have as much "fault" as we have. Luckily we figured out that a balance is needed and thus reintroduced the wolves. What part don't we play? This is just how nature, survival of the fittest and life works. If it were any other species that wiped out the wolves, say a parasite or something, are you gonna complain that parasites aren't playing their part in the circle of life?

>>899832
Look around you...

>>882796
A lot of us don't give a shit but these people never seem to stop talking about it. Out of every event in history it has to be two towers collapsing that killed a statistically tiny amount of people. There re thousands of events in history with much more significant impact, that are much more complex and have many more potential implications if you apply conspiracy bullshit to them.

I don't even know what these people want even if the government admits they supposedly did it. There's plenty of other worse things the US and groups like the CIA has done and fully admitted to involving the invasion of other countries or international espionage. It's basically a forced meme at this point.

>>880261

dustification doesn't melt steel beams.

>>901347

What the hell does that mean? What is "our part?"

To me this is a triumph in intelligence. Nature is more our bitch than ever. "Oh shit, everything's fucked. Let's just sprinkle a little bit of 'balance that shit out' over that fucker and boom. Efficient and beautiful parks for our enjoyment. We even get to watch wolves eat coyotes. Fucking awesome.

Okay Truthers explain me this.

Why did they need to "demolish" the buildings after they had flown FUCKING PLANES into it?

The fact that PLANES WERE FLOWN INTO BUILDINGS KILLING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE is fucking justification enough for the US to do whatever the fuck it ever wanted.

This conspiracy theory is so fucking stupid because it makes no fucking sense.

How about "They new about the 9/11 attacks but let it happen anyway because Bush wanted a reason to raise his profile and continue his daddies crusade in the middle east"

Isn't that a fucking better conspiracy with less holes in it? I actually could believe that was the case.

Kek, morons still don't see that these lousy "conspiracy" theories about 911 is also planted by the government to hurt the credibility of any conspiracy claims, such as the government knowing about the attack but intentionally not stopping it to cause a new war cause and justify a series of new spending grounds and laws etc... They might even have further encouraged the terrorists and helped with the planning by undercover agents within al qaida

>>880261
>100 replies
>12 images

im excited about phonix in elementary and this shit happens.

i might commit suicide.

>>901270
>we won't be able to break the laws of physics in 20000years and create as many suns and planets as we want

>>883010
>>883011
>>883015
>>883016

Suppose, for the sake of argument, there are 100 billion stars in the Milky Way and a grain of sand is 2 millimeters in diameter. We're too lazy to treat the sand as anything other than perfectly stacked cubes. 500 billion (5*10^11) grains of sand...actually, lets just consider 10^12 so we don't need a calculator...would be stacked to form a perfect cube, 10^4 grains wide, deep and tall. That cubical pile of sand would be 20 meters by 20 meters by 20 meters. That's a lot of sand, but not world-destroying excess.

6/10, worth estimating

>>903826
who is this cock debaser?

>>903826
but what he says is true for the opposition as well...

I guess it just shows that America isn't a democracy

top kek

>>909898
studies by Ivy League schools have shown America isn't a democracy for about 3 years now. it was also obvious if your weren't a fcukboy-retard

>>899083

Not the person you quoted- but did you read his post? He's saying if you heat up steel and let it COOL BACK DOWN it becomes brittle, but very hard.

He mentions this in the post.

He also mentions that the steel in an intermediate state (i.e. 'soft') is useless for structural support, obviously.

You didn't even read his post- Do you ever wonder what else you are ignoring when you read/watch things?

>>880286
I'll never forget all the live new footage of engineers the news casters brought in while it was happening. The engineers all said it was a control demolition. 45 minutes later all the engineers read from prepared statements, in government addresses, retracting their earlier statements and saying shit about jet fuel (because they are experts on jet fuel and had time to prepare well-written 30-minute long statements which included words one engineer mispronounced and re-read). The entire time I was just like "WTF?" I grew up a lot that day in respect to what I thought about media coverage and government. I didn't even go back to work that day.

>>890609
>Personally I feel like every one just needs to hold their hands up now and admit they have no fucking idea what truly happened, because none of us ever will.
Well we can definitely deduce some facts and apply logical conclusions.
If you look at the evidence we have on the other (Eye-witnesses and videos and the debris), you can clearly say that something big flew into the towers, most likely a passenger jet and that the building collapsed. Now you have two options:

1: It was a two jets/bombs, flown into the towers by the US government. The vessels either covered up explosives being detonated or carried explosives into the tower themselves.

2: It was a regular aircrafts which were hijacked by some nutjobs who wanted to blow up the towers the most pragmatic way possible.

Now I want to ask you a simple question. If you truly think A is an option: Why would the US government choose this overly complicated way? Covering up such a big plan would be hard with all the people involved, also it would take longer, be more complicated and cost more than simply finding some nutjobs and telling them to fly into the towers. Also why would they choose a controlled demolition over simply blowing it up if they planned it? That would just make it seem less plausible.

So even if it was a false-flag action, they still could have just chosen the more pragmatic way of actually recruiting terrorists, which would work for them better in terms of covering it up, costs, and authenticity. This means that you can clearly exclude most theories, by simply using your brain.

>>909765
Chomsky
I think he was a linguist at some point in his life, but now his full time job is complaining about how horrible USA is.

>>899398
Found it by googling astrophe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1SkepihYLE

>>883395
Israelis caught dancing as the twin towers collapsed, were placed under custody by police but where quickly deported before further questioning, then apppeared in a israeli host show confirming they were mossad agents and were sent only to "record the event", in case you are too thick to get it, they were sent beforehand to record a surprise attack.

All buildings collapsed vertically, foundational steel beams where found diagonally cut and puffs of smoke came from all the windows in all the floors as the entire estructure went down, all of these are comon behaviors in controlled demolitions, slicing the beams diagonally with explosive charges to control the collapsing path and reducing collateral damage.

"Lucky" Larry silverstein, owner of the twin towers bought a multi million dollar insurance for the buildings especifically covering "terrorist attacks", in the day of the attack he didn't went to his daily brakfast on the top floor because he had a medical appointment that has no record of existing because he cancelled in the last minute, none of his family members working in the buildings where present the day of the attack.

Passaports identifiying the perpetrators where found inside the remains of the planes whose fuel supposedly melted steel, the media fucked around and predicted the event before it happened, "conspiracy theory" is a made up term created by the cia to browbeat people questioning the circumstances of kennedy's assasination.

You'd have to be a literal retard to not doubt it at the very least, and if you're thinking "well it has to be a conspiratard lie because if it was an inside job it wouldn't have left any trace!", you forget that despite having the the power to stage such an operation these people are still human, and if they fuck up, what do you think is easier to hide the truth? rationalizing the loose ends on their own narrative or ridicule the people pointing at those loose ends by mixing the truth with ridiculous bullshit?

>>881951
Best. Explanation. Ever.

>>898999
very good. It is interesting how easily we fuck things up. Nature had spent millenia stabilizing itself before we came through to ruin it all.

>>912947
Nature has never been stable. It just appears that way because our lifetimes are so short relative to geologic time. The overwhelming majority of species that have ever existed are extinct. The earth has been through at least five mass extinction events, radically changing the ecosystem each time. The center of North America has spent nearly as much time at the bottom of oceans as it has dry. No matter where you go on earth, the climates and biomes have been so radically different throughout the history of earth that they would be completely unrecognizable to anyone today.

Humans have a very hard time perceiving the earth as an extremely dynamic system, but it is. When something in the environment changes, like a dominant species going extinct, it will cause a temporary change in equilibrium, but eventually nature will adapt and a new equilibrium will be found. It probably won't be the same equilibrium as before, but that's actually the normal order of things. Change is the rule, not the exception. It's just us who think that everything needs to stay the same.

tl;dr fucking hippies

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>>880261
>informative
>posts about reptilian conspiracies

>>882991
>i did a lot of research
>by watching youtube and reading on conspiracy websites

>>880265
word

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>>881715
>structural integrity of the mega-structure of the WTC.

>>881715
see:
>>913002

>>909765
>someone doesn't vote for trump, the casino mogul
>oh nos! my penis is under threat!
please get some self esteem.

>>903826
good stuff.

>>909598
This. if anyone is ever experiencing a crisis of faith or reason for being or whatever, consider that we as a species have the potential to stave off the end of the universe, if we can get our shit together.

>>882155

So you yourself have decided that you are more intelligent and rational? Not cool, bro.

>>909613

This is not how you would estimate it.

Also, not all sand is silica (i.e. sand).

>>903826
>>913020

He's literally making shit up on the spot.

>>913122
Like what?
What part did he make up?

>>880261
I was gonna say, I'd appreceate a tracking shot of one of the beames dustifying mid air, but I've got two more videos left.
Well, the core collumb thing is intersting, but want more info.

>>880286
We've done this already /pol/, about a guy tweeting when his news reporter wife was shot.
It was a bunch of confusion about time zones.
I did the math and shit, and based on the times compared to utc0+ it turned out everything was fine.
I wanna see someone do that shit porperly with WTC7.
Who says the backing footage wasn't just stock new York?
What it in a studio, who's feed where they using that'd give the delay?
What was the time utc0+ it broadcast in the UK, compared to when it collapsed "Live" in the US on tv.

>>882995

"a building in Italy "i think"'

Fine research you did there.

>>911605

After reading your sources... I'm totally convinced... oh wait...

>>909423
15 now, of which 5 were actally informative

>>880261
After careful review of your post, I have determined that you are a fucking idiot.

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>>913435
>Can't google for shit
Oh boy, let me waste my fucking time on a retarded moron that can't fact check shit himself, he surely won't dismiss everything I throw his way as simply invalid, oh no.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BgpxDKYv0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgrunnLcG9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV806mx7at0

>>913289
the reporter in question talked about it in a tv interview, admitted she said it before the building collapsed (pretty sure it was in the shot behind her, but not 100%--she still admitted she reported it before it happened) and explained it away as misinformation/miscommunication

>>883133
what?

>>899066
>>901515
>>901549
retarded retards

>>882995
was that building also hit by a passenger jet flying at 500mph?

>>890558
fires in the WTC reached around 1800.

show me another high rise building made with the same design (tube within a tube) as the WTC and that also got hit by a passenger jet flying at 500 mph.

When a fucking jet takes out a significant portion of the key support columns AND starts a massive fire that goes uncontrolled for hours, yeah, shits gonna get fucked up.

>>910789
>interviews with people as a fucking building is collapsing
>"omg it was like a demolition"
>"omg it sounded like an explosion"
>conspiracy theorists go "omg see, there was a demolition with explosives!!!!"

>tornado goes through town
>witnesses say it sounded like freight train
>conspiracy theorists go "omg it was a government train that destroyed those houses!"

>>915663
I don't care either way about this shit, but an aluminum plane can not take out steel beams, not matter how fast it is going. That's pretty simple physics

>>899096
That shit is all fucking steel you retard.

Source? I scrap shit constantly.

>>890552
>Once a person accepts the premises of the theory, it becomes nearly impossible to disconfirm.

Not to be a edgy atheist but almost all conspiracy theories turn into a religious debate with the magic government acting like God.

Any crackpot theory is always hiding behind "Oh the government secretly had that device that could do it" or "The government totally had the manpower and months of planning to pull it off"

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>>915714
>no matter how fast it is going
oh i'm going to love the replys to this one

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>>880261
>informative

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>>880261
Here we go

>>882980
aaaand this is why i read sci-fi

>>915714
>there's no way 0.021 lbs of aluminum can take out a human body, no matter fast it is going. That's pretty simple physics

>>901561
Just...look around you

>>898999
deer are dicks

>>882980
humans have only held a serious interest in finding aliens for just over a century and may even be on the cusp of an inconceivably advanced future that would completely redefine our own egos and concepts of humanity and intelligence. which could then change our priorities in needing to make contact with other intelligent life, just as our priorities in believing in higher powers have changed. it could be possible that the window of interest by intelligent life in finding others could be a very narrow one.

and is it even really evident that consciousness is an inevitable development of complex life? it's definitely a powerful evolutionary tool for animals, but it's also a tool that inspires animals to operate against their own self-interest, against their own fundamental function of flourishment. so it may not even be a good tool if it inspires us to self-destruct or cease in procreation. awareness is a really really really reeeeaaaallllyyy fucking weird thing to occur in the universe, but we rarely realize this because it's inherently the most fundamentally natural concept to us. it's why children and primitive cultures anthropomorphize inanimate objects so easily. i always liked the sagan quote "we are the way the universe becomes aware of itself", but this has a funky way of implying that we are a means to an end that has any real need to be met. we are not the universe, no more than we are our bodies or our brains. we are the phenomena produced by and contained within these things.

besides, life on earth, even primitive life, is also really weird. and there could be other equally weird and complex anomalies in the universe. searching for one single anomaly, SETI-style is presumptuous. searching for more of us is an egocentric need. let's not miss the forest for the trees in exploring and appreciating the universe, the rest of reality, and any possible currently inconceivable phenomena.

>>915714
WHAT

BUT ENERGY INCREASES WITH VELOCITY.

THE FASTER YOU'RE GOING THE BETTER THE CHANCES ARE THAT YOU CAN CRACK STEEL

IT'S FUCKING SCIENCE, NIGGER, JESUS CHRIST. THIS IS PRETTY SIMPLE PHYSICS, YOU'RE JUST BULLSHITTING.

FUCK. DID THEY LET THE SPECIAL ED CLASSES OUT EARLY TODAY OR SOMETHING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>915714
>

>>924879
I posted this and I just googled what kind of planes were used to crash into the WTC. North and south towers were both hit by Boeing 767s.

The lightest configuration for one of these, listed on wikipedia, is about 176,000 lbs. Now, we know each one had a lot of people on board, so I'm going to say that each one had a weight of about 200,000 lbs.

I mean, sure. It's aluminum. Aluminum is weak like those fucking pop cans one drinks, right? There's never a way to make aluminum strong? Ever?

It's a plane. It's got to be strong, and it's got to be light. You might not get it, but there's a REASON they make big planes with aluminum - because it's strong and because it's light.

So we have a massive, fast moving object full of people and weight and explosive/high-temp-burning fuel. It's going into a fairly empty office building, which was mostly hollow (aside from the office shit that filled it) and sort of built like an accordion.

>>913010
Like that. That's what they looked like inside. You have a plane, a fucking ~200,000lbs jumbo fucking jet going like 500mph in it. I did an energy/mass/speed calculation and this gave me a force of about 2,266,200,000 joules.

Dunno if that's right but that's a LOT of fucking power right there, more than enough to break steel.

>>924894
I guess 3/3

Sources is: http://mechanicsupport.blogspot.com/2012/12/why-things-break-getting-to-know.html

http://www.rapidtables.com/convert/number/scientific-notation-converter.htm

http://www.1728.org/energy.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767#Accidents_and_notable_incidents

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

Doesn't make sense for missiles or rockets or whatever. If someone had -seen- then as missiles or rockets, and had actual video proof, then maybe.

But it's obviously airplanes. I'm of the kind who thinks that the us government used 9/11 as a means to fuck around in the middle east.

>>899018
>deer internet defense force
Anywhere there are deer they must be hunted down to small numbers or else everything will die, everything.

>>880286
The biggest lie is who was involved in it, it was definitely a Saudi funded terror group, thats the people we should be bombing right now

>>881951
That's a breakdown of the machine logic used. Not really meant for non-engineers.

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>>884236
>>882980
>mfw kurzegesagt shows up in webms

>>915659
>wtc was hit by an airplane
>this is opinionated retards actually believe
>these same people hate "conspiracy theorists"

>>882995
WTC 7 is among the few steel framed building to ever collapse due to fire.

>>883133
You can just as easily say that people who deny conspiracies are using a defense mechanism so they don't have to face the reality that a relatively few people in power dictate the general circumstance of their lives. They much rather pretend everything is random and nothing has meaning or importance.

Actually, that's more reasonable than your post. Your post suggests that the WTC collapse is "random". Well newsflash, a group of people planned, funded, and carried out the attacks on the WTC. The difference between you and a conspiracy theorist is that you derive your information from a source that has nothing to do but gain from believing their narrative. Even if the official story is true, the level of indoctrination and irrationality to condemn all 9/11 theories is astounding.

I'll just outright say that my beliefs on it are this: A group of middle eastern terrorists immigrated to America, went to flight school, hijacked passenger jets and flew them into the WTC. Now the question is who knew and who funded them. Well, it's almost certain that the Saudis funded them, but Saudi Arabia is smart. They act crazy but they know that it would be bad to plan and fund this without someone inside the United States who supported them.

>>880360
Lol website is take our world back don't even need to click the link to know I'm gonna get propaganda shoved down my throat if I do. Go fuck yourself link game faggot. Start somewhere with credibility instead of somewhere that makes your little balls feel good.

>>881715
Wow so a bigger building on fire produces more smoke/dust than a small building collapsing does
Who would have thought

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>>881736

>look him up
>he's dead

>>901270
chances are that in the span of eternity life will bloom somewhere out there

>>913019
kek

>>931080
please provide some kind of context to your post. i don't care who you vote for or what your mental capability is but please when you post here try to consider the people who read the post

>>882980
i think the true aryans are from space and this earth is an experiment that some one is just watching like drop a little inteligent people on a planet of apes and watch how it goes and who survives

>>880261
these claims are getting more and more ridiculous. in like a year, you tards will claim that the towers just suddenly disappeared, and it's been covered up by faking a terrorist attack.

>>898999
>British guy can't tell elk from deer

Seriously though, this is bullshit. Wolves destroyed the elk population in 20 years, reduced it by 90 percent or more. Then they left Yellowstone and began to spread out and kill livestock. Currently in Idaho you can kill wolves like coyotes, in other words whenever you want. They were wiped out in the first place because they hunt people. Hippy bullshit webm if you ask me.

>>913002
Nothing was melted there. The bricks you see on top of the beam are there to increase the bending moment and make the steel bend sooner than it would without them.
All that webm shows is that steel goes to shit once it's heated up and loses all of its useful structural properties.

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>>934505
you think the beams holding the towers up werent under massive loads?
you dumb

>>881715
WTC 7 was pulled there are vids about the guy saying they decided to pull it

>>883133
>random accidents
That the most plebian thing i have ever heard. Do you think its more comforting to think its just an accident or an act of terror then to know that our leaders would sacrafice us in a heartbeat if they would gain more power from it.

>>883461
>If it were fabricated, why wouldn't they use a more compelling weapon? That's one of the many places the whole US-led conspiracy theory thing falls apart. If the US government really was competent and malevolent enough to stage an attack like 9/11, why wouldn't they stage a more convincing one?
because most people are morons. The whole WMDs in Iraq had no consequences on the Us politicians that were in charge back then. The same thing goes for the 911 thing. Also clintons blowjob affair investment was more expensive then the 911 comission

The only thing i find sketchy is how they maneuvered a plane going 500mph into a building, twice.

Conspiracy theorists should be gassed.

>>941286
no people that take whatever-the-fuck the media feeds them should be gassed.

>>910765
The fucking founding fathers knew it wasn't a democracy. America has been shown to and referred to as a Representative Republic since before they signed the Declaration of Independence. Anybody who thinks otherwise is a moron.

>>915663

>fires in the WTC reached around 1800.

No, they didn't, not even the jet fuel burned that hot and it burned itself out - meaning the jet fuel - in a matter of minutes at most. The residual fires were caused by probably the carpet and other office items (paper mostly) and perhaps even some of the paint on file cabinets, etc.

It's been proven time and time again that jet fuel doesn't fucking last long once it's ignited - if you poured 1500 gallons of JP5 into a small typical swimming pool like many families get in their back yards in the summer time and you set it ablaze, it would literally burn all of it away in less than 5-6 minutes.

It doesn't sit there burning, it burns and evaporates and it's fucking gone.

The remaining fires didn't get much more than a few hundred degrees Fahrenheit, even the NIST report makes that clear.

>>924894

The towers were constructed to withstand the force of impact of a fully loaded 747 (at that time in the early 1970s) going 600 mph.

But here's the thing that so many people don't seem to grasp: airliners, even the 757/767/777/787 cannot fly 500 MPH or faster below 10K feet, it's just not possible and that is proven as a fucking fact, like it or not.

At under 10K feet, trying to get a modern airliner to 500 MPH or faster would cause flutter in the wings which would just get worse with each passing moment till the god damned wings sheared off from the friction caused by the air at such a low altitude.

Learn something about aerodynamics before you mouth off, son.

>>927636

>WTC 7 is among the few steel framed building to ever collapse due to fire.

Correction: it is the ONLY steel framed building in the history of construction to have ever allegedly fallen because of a fire.

>>898970
>professionals
>believing cucks paid by the government to conceal the truth
Shouldn't you be watching your black bull fuck your wife again?

>>880710
Not to mention that the buildings were designed to bear their load straight down anyway.

>>881715
>That is not how steel behaves under those temperatures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

Get dunked on.

>>901472
that was a funny comment you made

>>934505
so basically, the building loses structural integrity under fire.

thanks for the input einstein.

>>880298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kscTVnEcPMk

get a brain

>>880261
Mate maybe start by not posting misinformative webms of loony conspiracy theories

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some humor people

>>880710
>>881689
i agree with both of you.

but why the fuck have our politicians and engineers not been going to our largest structures and investigating and reinforcing weaknesses? it's going to happen again in some form, where is the preventive maintenance?

WHAT THE EVER LIVING FUCK IS THIS THREAD
I MEAN WHAT THE FUCK
IT WAS LABLED "INFORMATIVE WEBMS" IN MY GOD DAMN STICKY SHIT
WHAT IS THIS
WHY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT STEEL BEAMS
WHY ARE THERE MEMES
SEND HELP

>>881951
This is computer scientist voice porn

>>882980
Fuck im glad i have good mental strength or else this would really fuck me the fuck up. Eventually ALL life is going to vanish into oblivion. God dayum, bby

>>881723
>civil engineer
thanks for my water pipes loser

>>941146
The terrorists trained at simulator centers for airlines. You used to be able to rent time in a simulator.

>>881829
>>881812

>defending satan this hard.

the first step to recovery is to admit you are serving lucifer.

>>903826
None of what he said made sense

>>937082
They were, but that's not my point or the point of the webm I replied to.

>>949786
You're welcome.

>>880264
There is actually a theory by some russian kgb scientist that says there were nuclear bombs underneath the towers that actually would atomize the buildings so they would "turn to dust" if that were true

>>949711
>believing some faggot with no backround in physics or any other science over thousands of professionals who have dedicated their life to a relevant field of study
you fucking moron
I bet you think the earth is flat because 'corporate/government shills' say it is
kill yourself

>>949685
>The towers were constructed to withstand the force of impact of a fully loaded 747

>hey guys i just designed a building!
>anon did you think about the structural integrety?
>yup not only will it stand and withstand storms but you could throw a fucking plane at it and it would just bounce right off
>a plane?
>yeah a plane. i designed it it to withstand the force of impact of a fully loaded 747

off urself kiddie

>>956625
Amazing webm, anon.

>>949685
Cite source

>>880261
>>880262
>>880264
I don't know what the name for the process is but this is effectively something that was shaken apart in the initial force but was thrown in the same general direction. So it's effectively non-solid mass made of disintegrated concrete flying through the air where the wind is peeling it off layer by layer. We don't have a weapon that can disintegrate steel or concrete like that without leaving massive amounts of chemical residue behind.

>>881715
You realize that they both collapse similarly because sky scrapers are designed to collapse in on themselves in a failure scenario to prevent one building taking out half the city right?

>>881736
Not all at once. The problem here is that when a portion of the beams fail the weight on the remaining beams is increased dramatically.

Since this isn't a move those beams with the added weight don't dramatically hold their ground and struggle they just collapse once their over their maximum capacity. This can happen in an instant, and it does.

The welded columns are strong, but not unbreakable.

And the reason it falls straight down is because structural engineers use columns that are designed to break inwards to keep one falling building from taking out half the damn city if something goes wrong. It's purpose built flaws in the steel to make sure it goes down the right way in a worst case scenario.

One last thing. The impact itself makes heat too, not just the fire. That heat was far more than enough to melt steel, many times over in fact.

>>881951
It sounds silly but it really isn't.

>>880356
Why do none of you consider the fact that a collapsing building generates it's own heat? That is a MASSIVE amount of kinetic energy and force. A great deal of which is being released as heat. Enough energy in fact to vaporize steel, not just melt it. So yeah, the needed heat was there.

>>898999
While not uncool, this doesn't mean wolves are good. The wolves are now a major problem and not too long after all those other critters showed up the wolves population had grown so much that the wolves stripped entire regions of the national park to lifeless woods. Once the food supply was too small to sustain them they basically left and began to dismantle other nearby food chains.

>>898999
This all could have been accomplished by an automatic turret that targeted deer.

>>949685
Well too bad for you chucklnuts it turns out that the planes were actually going around 600mph. This isn't a guess, this is measurable.

Good thing a suicide bomber doesn't give a fuck if the wings are fluttering.

"Designed to withstand a fully loaded 747." 2 things here.
1. 747's are a lot slower and a lot smaller.

2.The designed resistance was based on a plane impacting the empire state building. A plane that was very much smaller, and was actively trying to avoid and mitigate the impact, thus a lot slower and an indirect impact which makes a massive difference.

You can design a car to protect passengers from a 60mph impact but if they get hit by a semi going 90 they're still fucked.

>>949711
I'm not paid by the government and I've done all the math I need to prove it was the planes to take it down. I'm a physics major the math you need to know this isn't some kind of trick you learn pretty early on in your schooling. I mean really, its not even close to questionable when you do the math. The energy present from the impact would have made enough heat to melt just about anything on earth with room to spare. I mean I suppose they could have made the structure out of a super ceramic to resist the heat but spoiler alert: Ceramics don't bear weight well.

Oh man the amount of New World Order shill posts in this thread.

>>909445
me too

>>956625
>math is beautiful
Anything can be "beautiful" with pretentious editing and minimalist design

>>931160
You can't be serious.

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>How to upload short videos directly from youtube to 4chan using the 4chan-x extension and a youtube downloader like keepvid.com

The catch is you can only use Youtube's default 360p WEBM version of the video (the whole video) 99% of the time, so that version must be under 4 megabytes to fit. All the video-only versions seem to be encoded in unusable VP9-webm nowadays, but in the past you could post them on the non-sound boards if they were under the 3MB limit.

4chan-x:
https://ccd0.github.io/4chan-x/

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>>949685
>The towers were constructed to withstand the force of impact of a fully loaded 747 (at that time in the early 1970s) going 600 mph.
Just dropping in to say: Horseshit
They were CLAIMED to be able to withstand the impact of a **707** but that claim was never even remotely well founded nor supported.
The designer made that claim during the sales pitch of his design and it only worked because there were retards like you voting on it.
The WTC designs were absolute shit structurally, aesthetically and logically.

This thread really needs to die.

>>883133
Yep just accept it as is, don't attempt to change anything. be like anon and just go of the wheel. You have power just let it go to waste though the universe doesn't need fixed.

>>930811
OR...OR, we are living and witnessing the end phase and we are all that is left in corporeal form in the universe. The greatest tradgedy to befall man is his mortality, whose to say in the eons the universe has existed some other civilization or civilizations haven't found a away to ascend to a pure energy form thusly casting off a mortal she'll for Something that cannot be created nor destroyed?

>>941146
Unless highly trained, which these Punjabis were not.

>>941286
Fuck your government kool-aid drinking ass.

>>881715
Tower 7 going down made little sense to me desu because of lack of damage, but
>and the heat wouldn't compromise the structural integrity of the mega-structure of the WTC
.
But how retards cant seem to grasp how a 200 ton object hittting a bulding, and putting a massive hole in it, moving it a good 30 feet on impact, and fires everywhere, and already damaged beams. That and the fact it punched a hole in a part of the building made to take alot of weight, the walls themselves. Then add on high heat to weaken the remaining Supports, and its already game over. It
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHVDMJ7Dgzg

>>956528
>None of what he said made sense

I don't listen to him often but what he's saying about what used to be US political parties having gone off the spectrum, thereby having become radical insurgenies does make sense.

>>913288
Full movie is called "IRREFUTABLE by Adam dwyer, Pls watch

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>>958342
> Bin Laden + Fire + Gravity
I lived in a flat that was hit by a 747 at the time of the crash in 1992. I and my family weren't home but I lost my mom because of leukemia 3 years later (there was Uranium abord the plane). A plane crashing into a building is messy but certainly doesn't damage all that much to cause the whole structure to collapse in it's footprint (in 12 seconds no less), therefore certainly neither will projectiled debris nor office fires as was the case in WTC 7. Study the damage done in the accident I'm refering to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bijlmerramp.

Also, it's simple physics that disproves the official narrative. If, hypothetically, the floors of where the impact happened were instantly removed in the twin towers and the mass of the upper block fell onto the bottom much bigger part, then a footprint collapse is impossible. Simple physics my friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMSAsOkumI > Four part series analizing the official theory.

>>958557
>If, hypothetically, the floors of where the impact happened were instantly removed in the twin towers and the mass of the upper block fell onto the bottom much bigger part, then a footprint collapse is impossible. Simple physics my friend.
How do you expect they would have fall in that case? (as a reminder debris was projected several hundred yards from the towers so your "into it's own footprint" idea is total bullshit in the first place)
I eagerly prepare my sides for your retarded answer.

>>958579

Here's my answer for retards.

1. Calm down
2. Read >>>958557
3. Repeat

>>958588
You claim that the towers would not have fallen in a similar fashion if you had hypothetically removed several floors and let the upper floors fall down.
I asked how you think it WOULD have fallen under those conditions.
You have not answered.

>>958607
They wouldn't have as the resistance of the lower, much larger part would have cancelled out the acceleration of the top block. This at some point, probably not even mid-way.
Are you familiar with the suvat equations? Then watch the videos I linked.

ok, so, regardless of the burning temperature of a material you can create temperatures above that. if you add energy to a system without letting any leave you will increase the temperature. so there are ways to do anything to steel i wish with jet fuel. that being said, you're talking about an isolated system, that wasn't the case here.also, hot air rises due to bouyancy (air is a fluid [fluid doesnt mean liquid]). So, in no way could you hit a steel frame structure at almost the top and then set a fire, and then that building collapse at free fall speed straight down. the support beams in the ground and going up to the top levels would be structurally sound. yet somehow it fell straight down.

Imagine a stop sign. it has only a single support beam. could you hit it at the top and set a fire and the pole fall straight down into it's self? no the bottom would remain intact and at most you may knock it over. yet on 9/11, the building fell at free fall speed straight down and didnt topple at all. this means that every single beam and joint not only failed. but did so at the same time.

how would the bottom floors have given out? if the building was burning material, it was getting lighter to the bottom, which was unaffected by the fire and so would have been at full strength. the building would have actually been lighter than usual, meaning the support structure would have been more able than ever to support the load.

I'm not sure who or why, but this was obviously done using a destructive material inside the building at every critical point. the government makes the short list for not only trying to pass of the plane story as fact when they have plenty of scientist who could tell you the same thing i am. the northwoods document is another thing that makes you wonder [ its a government document laying out possible plans to get us into a war with Cuba before they signed a treaty with the U.S.S.R from the late 50's or early 60's, in which multiple plans

- 2/2
were things such as having fake cuban terrorists bomb bars and things in miami or tampa or futrhter inland if needed, in which cuban passports could be "found". or hi-jack a civilian plane and crash it. sound familiar?

there are actually some very clever ideas in it and its an eye opening read if you have time to google it.

But it is possible for the gov to be embarrassed about someone being able to place devices all through-out the building on their soil. as well as probably more explanations for it being someone else.

But going with the circumstantial evidence, the gov looks guilty. i think most hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, yet we went after Sodamn Insane in iraq...... for WMDs that we couldn't even fake to find.

There are plenty of examples of govs lying to to their people, and allowing or even producing tragedies to get something they want.

>>881951
Source for this?

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>>958659
http://www.thedossier.info/documents/operation-northwoods.pdf

>>958679
thanks for the link, i just read it again, that shits crazy. I left the long message - electrical engineer w minor in physics

>>912979
>The center of North America has spent nearly as much time at the bottom of oceans as it has dry.
Not disregarding your argument, but source?

>>958667
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Dvc1NrZJI

>>956625
>tfw standupmaths
>paraboloids!
>see magnifying lens
Paraboloids!!!

>>957524
Yes, but maths is an abstract construct that can perfectly describe the physical mechanisms that drive every single interaction between every bit of matter and energy in the universe. If that's not beautiful, I don't know what is.
Also, to help drive my point, I direct you to XKCD's "Fields Arranged by Purity" http://xkcd.com/435

>>958707
Thanks. I thought there would be a longer version.

>>924894
>I mean, sure. It's aluminum. Aluminum is weak like those fucking pop cans one drinks, right? There's never a way to make aluminum strong? Ever?

Stopped reading, youre a fucking idiot

>>880341
>>880261
>>880264

Can anyone tell me what song they used in this? really digging that vibe.

>>958794
it's got that 80's cyberpunk feel

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>>958633
>it's bigger therefore every single component of it can maintain a load hundreds of times what it was designed for and support 20+ more floors with no center column!
You are actually literally retarded.
Though I knew that just from the fact that you're a conspiratard.

>>958988
>>it's bigger therefore every single component of it can maintain a load hundreds of times what it was designed for and support 20+ more floors with no center column!

No son, you're the retard.

>>881849
I concur.

>>882785
How the fuck is what you're saying any way different from his, only you believe in the latter truth? Nice paradoxical argument, goon.

>>913122
That's impressive.

>>958721
Oh, you're one of those "my field is superior to your field" types. Good luck with that, buddy.

>>881715
>That is not how steel behaves under those temperatures,
yes it is

>>941146
>Maneuvered
They were the tallest buildings in Manhattan. Just put some rudder input, stay above the other buildings and then throttle up. Not fucking rocket science, especially if you spent a lot of time in simulators.

>>958557
Sure looks like thermite to me.

You can see the fucking beams give.
Like how fucking dumb can you get?

>>956542
You must be trolling, or trying too hard to be edgy. So you hate america but you aint gonna do shit about it except bitch on the internet about it. Grow a pair if you are that passionate about your hate, do something, start a cause, fight, do anything except live in your basement, sweat, and slowly degrade the genepool by being an autistic fat fuck.

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>>959746

>>959750
Yea i know they troll, and they win this time since i responded... fuckers

>>959711
It defenitely is thermite. Also, a sad thing in that webm, there are still people alive up there. Some people are moving strips of metal around and while that goes on somebody else decides to jump. You can faintly see it in the webm: left of the fire in the sun-lit wall of the tower.

You definitely see it when you download the best version of this:
youtube-dl -f 22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1mcCBLU3tY

For the jumper, start watching at 00:21:13.600 to 00:21:18.360 (the jumper gets out of scope then)
Play it back slowly but not too slowly.

The metal strips being moved around is easier to spot, not so much the people doing it however. I'm trying find how many people I can really see. So far only the jumper, but I'm sure it's easy to overlook things simply because of the scale.

>>914144
oh yeah? Wanna sauce that up, bitch?

>>883314
These are the worst people among us now. The self-assured "intellectual" who believes exactly what he wants, no matter how many times he is shown proof he is wrong.

>>949711
You believe it's a conspiracy BECAUSE experts say it's not? OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH boy

>>961254
Someone is waving a white flag up there. You can't see her (something tells me it's a she) but you're right. There's definitely still life up there.

>>912947
>HUMANS AREN'T NATURE GUYS

>>898999
It makes me want to fucking VOMIT when people get all emotional like they are reading some fucking poetry when they are supposed to be reading educational material. It's so annoying.

>>959647
>Muh wymin studies

>>882980
>NOD Logo out of nowhere

???

>>961295
>Emotions meet emotions. Pot calls kettle black
kek

>>957814
It really shouldn't. There is a lot of really good anti-conspiracy info in this thread that more people should see.

>>881787


So suppose that 9/11 was a huge controlled demolition conspiracy, for what purpose would they also "demolish" wtc7 if they no planes hit it and they didn't have a cover?

For the amount of planning something like this would take it's not like they are going to just blow up an extra building for keks and hope no one notices. The two towers would be enough already there is no point to risk it.

>>961336
How the fuck would I know? Legend has it that WTC was purposely pulled down because in it was all the evidence for the planning. Some say, that it was the eyes and the ears of the operation.

And yes, 9/11 was a huge controlled demolition and it remains a conspiracy until the day REAL evidence is disclosed.

>>961336
because thats where tons of information where money was going and coming from
pleb FUCKING RE-SE-A-R-C-H-

>>961336
Decided to watch this documentary linked here. It opens with:
"On the tenth anniversary of the September 11th Attacks, a group of expert witnesses gathered in Toronto [...]"
>A group of expert witnesses
People who are expets at being a witness?

>>961375
Researchers at universities. They are scientists who put their names on the line to find more data that might show what really happened. They already know that the official story is a lie.

not a webm but informative
https://youtu.be/DVGWIsvcL6s

>>961388
How to eat a watermelon.
Yipee. Thanks anon-chan.

>>961393
dont be mixing it up with other fruit ya hear

>>899018
How's social justice treating you?

>>959563
I don't.

And neither should you tbqh familia.

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>>961285

Look at 00:21:23.640 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1mcCBLU3tY to see 2 people jump, someone waving a white flag, and others.

What you see in this clip is the NorthEast corner of WTC2. Less than 25 seconds before the crash, a person emerges from underneath the corner fire (thermitic heat levels) who frantically tries to escape. He trips as he jumps and plummets. I've spotted 2 jumers in this video snippet and a hand full of other people still alive only seconds before the collapse, right up there with the flames. Whoever made that video not only proved thermitic explosives were used. He/She has also provided evidence that people were alive on floors not far down from floor 79, right up until the collapse of that tower. (South Tower)

>>962714
>I've spotted 2 jumers in this video snippet
That being the webm in the post. For a better view I recommend downloading the video from youtube:
youtube-dl -f 22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1mcCBLU3tY.

The second jumper appears East of the corner from underneath the fire @ 00:21:23.640

>>962720
There are plenty more people who jump in that webm and whoever shot that footage saw it too.

>>957770
Oh, lord. Please don't. A link to yt is better than some shitty, ultracompressed webm.

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>>963154
>A link to yt is better than some shitty, ultracompressed webm.
>untracompressed
The webms you upload via that technique are the exact same videos you already see when you watch in 360p in the YouTube web player.
Also a link is not better. Nobody bothers to open up an embed or a new tab for something they don't even have a thumbnail of (unless they asked for the link to begin with.)
If someone posts a webm from YT, I can find the youtube video on my own 99% of the time if I actually want the source.

And for really short, simple reaction videos (like this one) in particular, a webm is always preferential to a link.

>>882976
this changed my day
thank you anon

>>963207
porn for demolitions experts

>>958679
jesus fucking christ.

>>880261
all those replies have it seem like nobody's ever studied elementary physics before

>>881740
this guy's read the commission report! fuck yeah. governments never lie.

how does an object of smaller mass demolish an object of larger mass without extra force? considering that the top of the tower separate from the lower part was smaller.

also, why did the tower that was burning for a shorter time fall first?

>>883133
you're pathetic

>>883133
i don't agree with you anon but the part about the fact that we could die at any moment because of a psycho neighbor or because of a terrorist attack is very true i think.

>>890533
God damn that's fucking amazing every time I see a gif like that. So much control in such a frantic moment, he's just dancing around his punches

>>880261
its a steel frame surrounded by mountains of drywall. of course there's going to be shitloads of dust.

>>883133
I repeatedly count my blessings. Conspiracies happen, that's a fact. We theorize over what happenend on that sunny Tuesday morning of 9/11/2001 and we look at the evidence. We see things don't add up, and we "know" that the official story is the conspiracy theory.

>>885416
>You know how long and messy it is
>5000 people on 1 or 2 floors
>You know what hiding in plain sight is
>People can recognize explosive material left behind
>People are not busy enough to care
>You would know if a survivor reported anything
>I even care

Im retarded for replying to this

>>914131
Can someone please tell me what was used to make these

>>885416
>No survivor to my knowledge has reported evidence of structural work at any time before the attack. Therefore I am disinclined to believe the theory.

Then you haven't done your homework. In the 2011 Toronto hearing of 9/11 it was mentioned that for a period of 9 months up until the attacks, some of the elevators were in maintenance. You didn't need to sneak explosives in. All you had to have was security clearance. You had to have someone high up to tell security to let the workers in without question. There was no need to wheel in pallets of nano-thermite in a sneaky way. These elevator technicians had access to all the steel columns that surrounded the elevators. Nine months they were there up until 9/11.
But most importantly, the evidence of a controlled emolition is virtually staring you in the face. Look at the footage!

>>880261
mfw i realize hot grease cant melt limestone

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>>964619
And guess who was in charge of security of the towers?

>>956612
Why wouldn't they design an extremely tall building with planes in mind? I'm not saying I agree with the conspirasts or whatever you call them, but your logic in this situation is pretty flawed.

ITT: People forming conjectures to bolster their belief, yet don't realize the only reason one would believe a conspiracy vs. the ostensible truth is rooted deep inside how they think.

I literally read through all of this shit and can't even find anything worth piss to "believe". There is seemingly experts on each side trying so hard to ejaculate the truth. It's been 15 years, keep trying.

>>880261

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv7qh_XL_yM

Anybody? Dust? No?

>>964984
>the ostensible truth
I'll bite. What do you mean with that?

>>965619
it's ostensible that you're too retarded to know what ostensible means

>>882980
Maybe it's just the case that INTELLIGENT life is rare

I mean if intelligent life was common then we wouldn't be the first civilizations on this planet, we've only existed for less than a single percent of the time life has existed

Why does everyone equate life = intelligent?

>>880261
ITT a bunch of people who have no idea what the fuck they are talking about, vigorously debate scientific misinformation they don't fucking understand.

It's like talking to a religious scholar.

>>964619
And when all of that was done, Bush had all of the people doing the fake maintenance work killed. Luckily none of them had families so no one noticed.

>>965629
I think you are? Are you deliberately being vague? Conspiracy theories are in their very nature ostensible truths so to say " the only reason one would believe a conspiracy vs. the ostensible truth" is absurd. I hate reading posts in piss poor English.

>>965664
Have you got anything to back up that claim?

>>965659
proof?

>>881787
>the guy who made that photo is a car wash manager at best

>>881951
they should've just explained this with basic maths, it's really simple

>>909898
>America isn't a democracy

hey buddy heres a rwal life quote from a real life pledge of allegians to the united states
>and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation under god, woth liberty and justice for all
>to the republic
>the republic
>REPUBLIC

who said the States was a democracy you filthy idiot?

>>964829
>google how high planes fly
The air traffic control tower usually assigns a cruising altitude of up to 39,000 feet, but long flights are typically assigned higher altitudes.

>google how tall wtc is
1,776′, 1,792′ to tip


>theres definitely a chance planes, which are only ever supposed to be flown by trained pilots, will hit it.

>>971066
>realize after posting thats the new wtc.
oh well. there is a building under construction right now that will be a kilometer high. (setting new world records)
>1km = 3280ft my point still stands

If the 911 conspiracy were true and the government carried it out so only high school dropouts could see the truth, then why after all this time is the truther explanation still changing every couple days?
Look at all this bullshit. None of them agree with any other and all truthers believe all of them.