>$500 for actual disks >next to nothing to burn disks and play them via swap trick Goofed. >BAWWW SWAP TRICK KILLS THE SATURN Been using it for years and years and years and my Saturn works as well as it did when I got it about a year after its release. Don't be so goddamn rough using the trick, it's possible to do without fucking up the motor, you know.
I think you need a baseline $$/time played to equate whether or not a game was "worth it".
I equate that baseline to 10/hour or less usually.
Going to a movie is like 20 bucks for snacks+ticket and it's usually around 2 hours.
So 20/2 = 10 as a baseline for entertainment.
For 500 bucks, you'd need to get 50 hours played to be "worth it". Of course, since it's something you physically own you could also play it multiple times so it very well may get you 50+ hours of playtime, but I think PDS is actually short iirc.
I think thats what people don't get on /vr/. You could spend 100 bucks on Chrono Trigger, and if you get 30 hours in it, you probably got your money's worth. Same with spending something like 200+ on Tron Bonne or Wild Guns, as long as you play it and enjoy it enough then you get your money's worth.
Some games have inherently higher value due to length (JRPG's, mystery dungeon games) and others due to being short and replayable (things like megaman)
If you bought it for shelf candy then you can do whatever you want with your money, but I'd rather just stick a fat stack of 500 1's on my shelf then Panzer Dragoon Saga.
>>2951118 I spent $200 on Misadventures of Tron Bonne only because I won $800 in a work contest. And then it came out a month later on PSN. I can't imagine ever paying $500 for one game, and honestly Orta looks more interesting to me.
>>2951284 Nah, I doubt it. Most things have a limit. The game isn't particularly culturally significant and, although in limited quantities, it was mass produced and available to the public. It might go up, but "rare" things don't necessarily have room for nearly unlimited growth.
>>2951253 I'm glad you brought that up anon, because I would agree with you entirely on the $$$/hour value of anything.
I personally shelled out $180 on a "Bomberman 64 bundle" with all three Bomberman titles on the N64 a few years back.
Counting the multiplayer endeavors as well, the bear minimum I've gotten out of that "bundle" must be above 100 hours at this point in time, so in my mind $180 / 100+ hours, well, you can already see that's better than a movie's value.
But that doesn't take into a account that I fucking love the Bomberman series either. I look at that shit on my shelf and think "damn, I love bomberman" it brings joy to my feeble, purposeless being in this world.
If OP really gets something out of collecting for the Saturn then, well... good for him I guess.
>>2951284 I think the "ultra rare" 10k+ is going to be reserved for stuff that well... wasn't fucking mass produced.
20k = mass produced.
Magical Chase wasn't. Magical Chase was a mail order only thing, which most likely meant it only made as many copies as were ordered, with maybe a few extra.
NWC carts were produced in something like the hundreds, and the gold was what, like 10 or something absurdly low?
Stadium Events, one of the other "holy grail" items just had a really short time on the shelf and they were taken down and rebranded as world class trackmeet.
PDS was a retail game, that didn't get pulled. It's unlikely it will ever reach over 2k. 1k probably at some point, but Sega Saturn isn't a popular system, and the majority of collectors are after Nintendo stuff, becuase nintendo fans are fucking morons.
I personally think there’s more than a few thousand only because PDS has always been worth money. But I wouldn’t be surprised either.
Of the games you listed Magical Chase is the only “good game” there and it also has that it’s the best version of that game going for it. NWC carts only matter for history.
Others are just rare but trash games to be honest about it.
PDS has rarity and the fact that it’s considered an amazing RPG by many. Even one of the best or the best. Add that SEGA is severely underappreciated in certain aspects (not modern Sonic) and you have something that is only going to go up in value. I think it’ll peak at $800 for a mint copy. Possibly a $1000.
Regardless, it will be the most expensive good retail game of the 5th generation.
>>2951342 In the world of videogames, the only things I see with much true significance are prototypes and contest giveaways and recalled items. They have more significance and in the case of protos were produced in extremely small numbers, used for a limited period of time (either by devs or testers or shops or the media), and never meant to be in public hands if not meant to be outright returned to the company for destruction or storage. OP's game was sold in stores to anyone with the money. That isn't to say it is worthless by any means, just that I don't see it having a potentially unlimited value climb. In fact I don't even see such a capacity in the items I mentioned earlier.
Did you at least check in between your couch cushions before spending that kind of dough on PDS? Never know you could get lucky like some anons on here. One guy even found Earthbound for one dollar! Crazy stuff.
>>2951118 Hi OP. I just bought the game recently too. Welcome to the PDS club!
Unfortunately I haven't gotten a chance to play it yet, so I don't know if it lives up to the hype or not. Make sure you watch the cutscenes for Panzer Dragoon and Panzer Dragoon Zwei on youtube before playing PDS. The story continues from the first two games.
>>2951657 It is one of the most detailed RPGs ever made, both graphically and content wise. It is definitely not overrated, it is just a victim of the retro price inflation.
Its only fault is that the game is way too short, you can finish it in a few days, and the ingame world is a bit small. I guess that's the cost of the insane amount of detail though... you can inspect everything in the game, such as every single thing on the shelf of a store.
Not really relevant to the OP. He also could have gotten a modchip and had access to the entire Saturn library for free. He clearly just wanted to own it for the sake of owning it. It feels good to own a high-demand object that not everyone has. As a collector myself, I understand completely.
>>2951668 It's barely talked about even inside RPG circles. I didn't know it existed until I went looking for info on Saturn collecting.
>>2951158 >being so severely mentally handicapped that you think this is a logical conclusion to jump to
That said, I collect games, but I have no idea why people spend "collector" prices on any of this stuff. Conker's Bad Fur Day is consistently $80-100 and that game is atrocious, but lustfully sought after by collectors. Are they just kids with a first job who saw it on YouTube or something? Legitimately I don't understand or see the appeal of throwing hundreds or thousands at a game.
>>2951718 Why do you think OP is baiting? I'm pretty much in the same situation that he is, although I spent $400 on the game instead of $500. I've never played it, and know nothing about it except that it's supposed to be really good.
>>2951759 Guy you replied too, I actually have PD and PDII as well and I'm going to play them before I play PDS. I just figured that since playing Saturn games in general can be a bit of a hassle, OP should know that he should at least know the story from the first two games before playing PDS, and also play them if he wants to.
>>2951746 No one is going to pay that BIN price. People put up absurd BIN prices on very rare items like that just as a way of saying "make me an offer". But if it does sell, it will sell for thousands.
>>2951946 SSF has its fair share of problems, but as far as emulation goes, it emulates the games well, and people keep pretending it doesn't.
I also wish a better open source alternative existed, but people have been spouting this shit that there's no emulator that can handle the sega saturn for years now, and it gets really annoying that it continues to get propagated when it's just a simple google search away.
>>2951319 AFAIK, the story with Magical Chase is that it was sold exclusively at Toys R Us for a short amount of time, then it was pulled and sold by mail order.
I agree with people that PDS was mass produced in too high a quantity to ever achieve true holy grail status like Stadium Events and NWC. $1k sounds like a good intuitive ceiling for it, but it's impossible to predict the market. It depends on how popular Saturn collecting gets.
>>2952031 >pulling off a cd while its spinning and then forcing another one on in quick succession Its totally fine guys I've been doing it for years trust me! >>2952036 If your Saturn breaks every other year from doing that dangerous trick its soon going to be a lot more expensive then $300
>>2952156 >giving money to someone who probably needs it more than me I assure you most of the time they are just exploiting the market They buy cheap and then flip the games >off these cherished video games They dont cherish them The people that do sell them as a last extreme and usually ask for less than what it goes for or out right pawns it because they need that money now. That guy sitting with a listing for days on in likely found it yard sale or otherwise and is flipping it.
You are doing no "good" ensure inflated prices on what is games and toys of kids yesteryear
You are the reason many people can't enjoy there games or have to treat them like fragile glass because they can't get replacements because retards like you will pay 7 times over msrb just to say you started a retro collection
>>2952219 >You are the reason many people can't enjoy there games
This is 100% bullshit and you know it.
You can't say "lol collecting is retarded there's no point" on the one hand and "you have to stop, you're making it so other people can't buy the games!" on the other. You clearly can't have it both ways. In this thread, people have talked about emulation, and the swap trick, and modchips. That's three distinct ways of playing PDS that don't involve you buying the game, two of which give you a perfect experience on the original hardware. So why exactly does it matter that I have the physical discs and you don't?
Retro games are finite-supply luxury items which, as evidenced by the prices they sell for and the amount of butthurt generated in this thread, are desired by quite a few people. So they end up going to the highest bidder. I'm sorry to anyone who can't buy the games they want, but that's how it goes sometimes. You're free to emulate (I see no ethical problems with pirating a game that isn't being sold anymore, in fact).
>>2952253 >You can't say "lol collecting is retarded there's no point" on the one hand and "you have to stop, you're making it so other people can't buy the games!" on the other. where did I even imply that? I'm say there are collectors out there that don't own multiple copies old games and that if it fails or breaks they are just sol because the market has been so stupidly inflated >So why exactly does it matter that I have the physical discs and you don't? none because again, my point was aimed at this retard here that thinks he's "helping" anyone when the reality is he is just hurting the fandom and making it to where they have to resort to alternatives because of fools and their money. >Retro games are finite-supply luxury items which, as evidenced by the prices they sell for most top dollar retro games are not so much rare as the willingness of people willing to pay for it. Earthbound was printed in much better numbers than Masters and Monsters (one of the first turn base games made) yet Earthbound runs for the cult of personality effect it has in ownership of it.
I feel you are just strangely twitchy to defend your stupid spending habits because again that post was making it clear they are not helping anyone when you give in and spend hundreds of dollars on an old used child/young adult product, all they are doing is ensuring a wall that prevents others from enjoying or collecting the original product(which is what the retards want anyway).
>>2952295 >I'm say there are collectors out there that don't own multiple copies old games and that if it fails or breaks they are just sol because the market has been so stupidly inflated
They can emulate the game. Are you just saying that they're out of luck when it comes to owning a working original copy of the game? Yes, I agree, they are. But not everyone can own an original copy of a game that only produced 20k copies (or much less, for other rare games). I wanted to make sure that I was one of the people who did own one.
>none because again, my point was aimed at this retard here that thinks he's "helping" anyone when the reality is he is just hurting the fandom and making it to where they have to resort to alternatives because of fools and their money.
Here's my problem with your argument. You seem to be saying:
1) It doesn't matter that I have the discs and someone else doesn't. 2) It hurts the fandom if the prices of the discs stay high.
Those two statements seem to be contradictory.
If the discs have no value, then I can't hurt anyone by inflating the price of them. If they do have value, then who are you to decide what price should be placed on that value? Why do you get to decide that the game is worth $X, and anything above that is unfair price inflation? The market has decided that the value of PDS is around $400. I thought that was fair - I was willing and able to pay it, at any rate - so I bought it. I don't see how that harmed anyone.
>most top dollar retro games are not so much rare
The real top shelf games (NWC, Stadium Events, Air Raid) are extremely rare.
>>2951118 >Starting a retro game collection >blowing $500 on one game to start it
You are doing it all wrong $500 could easily get you a system and a good amount of good cheap games You could have gotten A Saturn, and 6 good games or 16 noteworthy games for what you blew on a game that hasn't aged well and could have held of till a deal or opportunity arouse to find it for less.
>>2951985 >it emulates the games well, and people keep pretending it doesn't.
IT DOES NOT RUN ON ANDROID, OR ON THE MAC, OR ON THE AMIGA, WHICH MEANS IT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH 90% OF COMPUTERS AND LAPTOPS, AND ALSO IT CAN'T RUN ON MY FRONTEND NOR CAN IT UPSCALE GAMES TO 4K, THEREFORE IT IS A HORRIBLE EMULATOR.
wait, running games accurately? Who cares about that.
>>2952330 >They can emulate the game did you miss in that sentence where I said collectors? > But not everyone can own an original copy of a game that only produced 20k copies I wanted to make sure that I was one of the people who did own one. You bought it just because it was rare not because you like the game?
>You seem to be saying: I'm saying this: You are feeding the greed and being someone's bitch and it hurts the fandom when you profess to be a fan and your source is you blew money on a product and have about as much real investment in it as a hooker does a client.
>two statements seem to be contradictory. because you are building a straw man rather than understanding what is being said.
>If they do have value, then who are you to decide what price should be placed on that value? > Why do you get to decide that the game is worth $X, and anything above that is unfair price inflation? never said I did. Never once even stated the price was "unfair" I just shared that it's not based in rarity just fools and their money but since you are going this route I know Ive hit a nerve now and you are starting to understand what I'm saying. >The market has decided that the value of PDS is around $400 The markets are control by the fools with the money. No one pays? it plummets. It's what happen to FF7 back in 07. Demand went flat $90 game went to $20 in 2 years time. >I was willing and able to pay it Yeah see that still makes you pretty dumb. >"I dun care" good for you >I don't see how that harmed anyone. You ensured it's value stays stupid high a little longer and again, my core point was more that no one can say they are helping anybody buying shit from scalpers and the like.
>The real top shelf games And I wasn't talking about them and that statement doesn't effect what I said, 20k is low but not that low to drive the cost, it's fan cult effect with the market exploiting it.
Kekking at all these people losing their shit over some guys blowing a couple hundred dollars. You don't know what an expensive novelty item looks like. Try paying $58 million for a sculpture of a balloon dog.
>>2952383 >You bought it just because it was rare not because you like the game?
It was a combination of its rarity and its reputation as a good game.
I'm still having a hard time figuring out what your argument is. You think that there's some value in collecting, ok. But you also think I paid too high a price because the game isn't rare enough to justify that price? Do I have that right?
If that's the case, well, I just disagree. I wanted the game, I was willing to pay the price, so I did. There's little point in trying to calculate the game's "true" value based n current demand and rarity. The price is determined by the market, and I was happy with the market price.
>no one can say they are helping anybody by buying shit from scalpers
I was trolling when I said that. Does that make you feel better?
I will say though that I'm glad I can give the game a happy home where it will be loved and protected, as opposed to leaving it in the hands of someone who might not take as good care of it.
On the topic of disc swapping, I have a PlayStation without a modchip because I've never soldered before, and don't want to pay $20+ to someone online who may send back a PCB that wasn't originally mine.
Anyway, I use a Gameshark that stops the disc from spinning before I swap. Is there something like that for the Saturn, or is the only option to swap while spinning?
>>2952408 >its reputation as a good game It's not $400 good. Never was. And that's still disheartening you just blow that kind of cash because people say it's "good" I mean fuck that's how a lot of people get scammed and shit is they are convinced they need X or it's the best when the reality is someone just wanted your pockets lighter and there's fuller.
And my argument is the market is controlled by the buyers, they decided it's value, not the sellers. That's why when fan cult happens to an ip there is such a fast response to hike prices up. When Nostalgia Critic did a bit on Demon's Crest the value spike from $30 to $200 that weekend. Why? "Oh you heard that was great too? Yeah I have it $200 bucks it's yours. What oh come on don't you want to brag to others you have it? it's a good game man why else would it sell for so much?" It's people getting suckers and suckers keeping the problem constant. >I was trolling when I said that. Does that make you feel better? > I can give the game a happy home where it will be loved and protected, as opposed to leaving it in the hands of someone who might not take as good care of it. >implying scalpers wouldn't keep it safe and clean for that sale to be made >implying any idiot wouldn't take care of something they blew $400 on the internet for. I hope you are still trolling.
>>2952456 I guess what it comes down to is, I like the fact that prices are high. I like knowing that I have something special that other people want but can't afford. Certainly it has value to me besides that, but that's a big draw.
>>2952501 >I have something special that other people want but can't afford. They can Most people could afford that they just have common sense or at the very least understand what better things can be done with hte money. Why do you think most people that make their money through business, Science and what not tend to live humbler lives? They know true value of their money and don't blast money because some random person they don't know might wowed.
>>2952535 It's more like you either are shitposting so hard or have self respect issues that would make a teenage girl look sane.
>>2952550 >Why do you think most people that make their money through business, Science and what not tend to live humbler lives?
Haha, do you think I'm rich or something? My earlier shitposts sort of gave that impression, but I can assure you that I'm firmly middle class. 100% of my money is from working a 9-to-5. I'm just frugal enough that I can splurge on things I want every once in a while.
>>2952552 Sorry if I gave that impression, but that's not entirely true. You'll never see me buying Stadium Events, for example, because it's a bad game I don't care about, even though it's very valuable.
>>2952564 >Haha, do you think I'm rich or something? No that was why I shared that No one thinks you're rich when you are blowing $400 on a outdated retro game. At best I thought you were just some young kid that had the play money to be careless with
>>2951680 >detailed Yeah, I remember that game was doing stuff in the 90's that gamers were getting wowed over when FFX came out. I was like "nigga, really? Let me tell you about Panzer Dragoon Saga, back when REAL games were made!"
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