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Most overrated classic games ever?
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All of them.

There, thread's over.
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Your mm oms puasy
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You're on the internet too much if you care if a game is overrated or not.
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To me, an overrated game isn't one that people love and still talk about today. It's one that got good reviews, may have sold well and people still put in "top 20000 games for the ZX80" type lists, but doesn't have a fanbase. Nobody says anything about it outside of "it's supposed to be pretty good".

Like the Killzone series on the PS3.
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Sanic is the punching bag of bad video games. Low hanging fruit.
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>>2934230
Let's not forget this piece of shit.
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>>2934531
>look mom, I posted again XD
I wish you would just let go.
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>>2934494
An overrated game is a game which doesn't live up to its reputation. Simple as that. Like Donkey Kong 64.

Of course it's highly subjective so there isn't actually much to discuss. It will digress into shitflinging of offended people anyway.
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>>2934230
this is way more overrated.
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>>2934531
That's a movie, not a game.
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>>2934558
It's underrated if anything. It's the 2nd best Mario game there is (Vs. Super Mario Bros is better). Minimal timewasting, minimal exploring, difficulty ramps up smoothly throughout the game. Pure platforming with no distractions.
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This piece of shit.
You just collect things and fight same boss three times.
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>>2934558
this image looks like it was made on MS Paint. Where is the 8-bit pixelated textures?
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dumbest game ever
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>>2934230
Final Fantasy 7
Chrono Trigger
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>>2934531
A shame how mgs is always seen as the epitome of stealth games when it was always the retarded little brother of the genre.
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>>2934638
meh
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>>2934230
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>>2934686
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>>2934497
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Final Fantasy VII
Ocarina of Time

/thread
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>>2934702
always makes me laugh at
>END of story.....
dunno why.

anyway the term overrated is overabused and has lost its meaning a long time ago, but I think SMB3 is only decent because the level design sucks dicks (controls are perfect tho 2bh)
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DOOM? More like GAAY
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>>2934648
It is, it was made to test AI.
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>>2934594

Not anymore, friend, now it's about aligning parallel universes
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This fucking steamer.
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>>2934554
I've never heard anyone say anything nice about DK64. If anything, it's underrated.
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>this game is overrated
>why?
>because I don't like it

Awesome thread we have here
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>>2934494
To me an overrated game is the one that achieves meme status until it just becomes cool to like it thus fucking up the reputation of every sequel/prequel, if any.
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>>2934702
I really like Majora's Mask, but this picture makes me want to not like it anymore.
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>>2934967
not him but everytime it's mentioned in a discussion, every single poster says it's a perfect 10/10 game

I haven't played it though
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>>2934981

Not true, every time DK64 gets posted it gets shat on for being a collectathon.

I actually liked DK64 more than Banjo, but the best thing about DK64 is the perfect arcade port of the original Donkey Kong
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>>2934981
Huh. Every time it's mentioned in a discussion I see, people say it's an interminable slog that showcases the worst aspects of 3D platformers. Weird.

For what it's worth, I liked it, it's not amazing or anything, but I liked it. I would recommend playing it.
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>>2934984
>>2934985
fuck me i read it as donkey kong 94, my mistake
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>>2934531
>get on top of MG
>get down
>get back on top
>get down
>get back on top
>get down
>get back on top
Jesus Christ.

Also,

Liquid : "And now for my 5 minutes long speech about Les Enfants Terribles! Can't skip! I'm such a villain!"

Also add OoT to the list.
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>>2934230
Not sure if you're trying to bait or whatever, but I agree, OP. Sonic 1 is just so bland, and the level design is repetitive and boring. Marble Zone is one of my least favorite Sonic levels ever, with all the generic block-pushing and platform-waiting, it kills my enthusiasm to play any further. Even fun levels like Spring Yard and Starlight Zone are just so uninspired to me. They often repeat the same succession of obstacles two or three times, makes me feel like I'm running in circles.

Sonic 2, in my opinion, is the best Sonic game. The 2-act-per-zone structure was great, and levels were designed so that you could run them as fast as you were comfortable with, especially if you could keep on the correct path. Great pacing and structure overall.

Sonic 3 fucks it all up, hard. Levels started to get stupidly long and terribly designed. Too much emphasis on "press right to go fast".

& Knuckles was better, I guess. It's been so long since I played it, but in general I always remember enjoying it more than 3.
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>>2935086
>Sonic 3... too much emphasis on "press right to go fast"

What in the world? Sonic 3 probably had the least emphasis on speed out of the Genesis games. Marble Garden, Carnival Night, and Ice Cap would constantly slow your momentum with obstacles and dead ends. Granted, Sonic 3 also had more "cinematic" moments than the first two games, but that's part of why I like it. I never found those moments to be a nuisance.
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>>2934230
Don't forget your favourite game, too.
It really sucks.
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>>2935103

Fuck you! My favourite game is a tue masterpiece which was defining for its genre and alone sold millions new consoles.

YOUR favourite game of course, that was panned and laughed at even in the company's own paid magazine. It's a real turd.
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This game is highly overrated
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>>2935113
>>2935103
Both your favorite games suck, the only true masterpiece is my favorite game, it's got a better soundtrack and the gameplay isn't fucking loose as shit like your favorite games.
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>>2935113
Thanks anon, with ours contribution this thread has nothing more to say.
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>>2934594
This is most overrated game ever. It's ugly, it isn't fun, levels are short, mario is slippery and camera is horrible.
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>>2935132
You just described banjo kazooie. Mario 64 is a flawless game
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>>2935138

I wouldn't call it flawless but it is a really good one even now without the BOOAHH 3D! effect back then.
One of these flaws is the design of some of the levels. Being the first of its kind this obviously lead to it being new and difficult to make complex levels, so some of them look a bit lazy like "We took a surface and just placed blocks around it with no real coherence", like they were built with building blocks, "toy- like". Lethal Lava Land and Wet Dry World are especially notable examples. Also Rainbow Ride to some degree, jus some objects and platforms placed in 3D space with no real coherence.
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>>2935138
>flawless game
>30fps
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>>2935159
That is just the problem with 3D though. When it is done in 2D you don't question it as much.

Why are there coins floating in there air? They were blocks before but why floating blocks? How is that pipe floating and if you can get to the other side then how? You just really don't question it in a 2D game. A platform moves on its own and it is to be expected.
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>>2935132
/thread
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>>2935195

Yes but some other levels managed to embed that better by giving it a surrounding. Cool cool mountain is a mountain, all is pretty much fitting even if there is a floating platform midair, or the desert with a pyramid in its center, Whomp's fortress is recognisable as a stylized fortress etc. Cleverly this was done in Tick Tock Clock where there are in fact also just platforms in 3D space but through the whole "inside a clock" setting it makes much more sense in coherenceeven if there are gears without function, two hands inside where noone could see them etc., it still looks like the mechanical insides of a clock. By this they also could add the moving obstacles as they fit with them being a clockwork.
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>>2935123
is it? i never see anyone talk about it
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>>2935086
>Sonic 3
>Too much emphasis on "press right to go fast"
Retard.
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>>2935220


>HL1

>overrated

?????
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Anything with the word "Pokemon" in it's title.
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>>2934973
>boo hoo my favorite in the series is not as popular as mega man 2
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>>2934531
Did someone fuck up your thread anon?
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>>2935306
It gets praised all the time when it's just mediocre at best.
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>>2935086
>with all the generic block-pushing and platform-waiting
>being this casual
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>>2935574
Well, you don't get much more casual in retro games than sonic and mario.
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>>2935583
I meant that he could skip all the block-pushing and platform-waiting but for only one of each.
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>>2935086
you have the worst opinion in the world
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>>2935614
Oh, sorry i misunderstood.
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>>2935509
>one of the highest rated and most popular fps games of all time
>hell, one of the highest rated and most popular games in any genre
>is mediocre at best
>i'm not gonna back up this assertion with any arguments
>not trolling :^)

i mean, i shit on popular games all the time, but at least i try to explain why i don't like them. i'm not the biggest half-life fan, but the game is clearly well made and innovative.
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>>2935646
I never really got the idea what's so great in it. Shooting is very, very mediocre and doesn't feel satisfying. Levels are kind of bland, and so are most of the enemies too. There are some good enemies in there, but only few are worth mentioning.

And the biggest no for me was the fact it's so slow to start and action gets interrupted all the time. I like the idea how they tried to integrate story on gameplay, but it just feels like I have the possibility to jump on tables on cutscenes with nothing meaningful to do.

It's really not a bad a game, it's just feels so bland it's really hard to see why they praise it so much. I played it through once and I probably never play it again. Half-life is just... boring.
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>>2935662
>it's really hard to see why they praise it so much

did you play it when it came out? it's often hard to see what was so special about an innovative game you didn't experience when it was new, because the innovations have been copied in so many times in other games. either way, your complaints are all subjective, so i can only say i disagree. in terms of enemies, bosses, level design, and story, half-life is one of the most interesting and memorable fps i've ever played.
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>>2935113
This post kind of feels like what /vr/ is nowadays.
Throw in a CRT/HDTV bitch fest and we've got it down pat.
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>>2935725
>Half Life
>innovative

we already discussed this in the half-life thread

the argument got thoroughly shot down, although it was acknowledged that it took existing innovations to the next level
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>>2935769

could you summarize it?
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Secret of Mana is one of the most overrated 16 bit RPGs. It's gotta be between that and Shadowrun on the genesis. Flawed shite.
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>>2935138
>You just described banjo kazooie.
Eh. I thought B-K was a bit more refined than SM64 in some aspects. However, I also thought it was also kinda worse than SM64 in others; namely the way Banjo controls (which is decent, but not nearly as dynamic as Mario was), and the collecting aspect was ramped up a bit (that said, it didn't bother me that much).
Still, I really liked both games, so whatever.
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I hate all of you. Kill yourselves. Youve ruined a great board.
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>>2935943
>/vr/
>ever good
top kek m8. nothing related to /v/ is ever good
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>>2935086

>Sonic 3
>Too much emphasis on "press right to go fast"

Are you sure even played it? And the new meme on /vr/ is that it's too hard
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>>2934230

>Look mom! I posted an edgy contrarian opinion I got from some fat vblogger on youtube!
>If I just post a pic I wont even have to explain my position :^)
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>>2934670

It got people into stealth games.
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>>2934686

>4 level DLC sold at full retail price.
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>>2934230

Hard to disagree with.

The sonic games were above average, but never great. Sonic two was easily the best, but compared to the premiere platformers of the time it fell way short.
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>>2936191

>he never got good at sonic
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>>2936187
Well it did start out as something similar to that. Still a pretty decent continuation for something done at a very limited timeframe.
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>kids that think 16bit sonic games were bad because every sonic game after the 16-bit era were bad
And this is why every so-called "gamer" these days need to play pre-1995 games for at least a few years before diving into more recent shitgames.
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>>2936191
They were all better than the borefest that was, say, Aladdin on the SNES.

>compared to the premiere platformers of the time it fell way short.

Sonic games *were* the premiere platformers of the era.
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/vr/ is so weird when it comes to sonic. It seems like there's always a "sonic games are overrated/were always bad/aged poorly" thread up. Old sonic games are good, just different. Platformers progressed continuing to imitate Mario/the status quo, so controlling sonic is an experience that takes some getting used to if you play it nowadays. Doesn't mean it's bad
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>>2936275
Yeah. I mainly grew up on Nintendo but now at 29 years old I'd rather play classic Sonic than classic Mario games desu.
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>>2936275
Its just a bait meme. Every youtube faggot alive shits on sonic so it has become popular.
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>>2935662
>Mediocre shooting
The crossbow is a really fun weapon, the shotgun plays really well too, maybe the smg is too weak but in general the weapons feel okay. CS 1.6 is a HL1 mod, and the shooting mechanics of that game are perfect.

>Bland levels and enemies
Levels like surface tension or blast pit are absolute masterpieces, and the enemies, even if they're not as good as the ones in Doom or Quake, are pretty decent for the most part.

>Slow/action gets interrupted
True, but, as you said, that's part of the game's feel and identity.

You may not like the game, and that's fine, but HL1 is not overrated. It really is one of the best FPS of all time.
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>>2936275
I just got done playing most of Sonic 3. It honestly wasn't a very good game. Contrary to what people say about Sonic games being "press right to win", it's actually a very slow-paced game, in contrast to the fast-paced and exciting 2D Mario platformers. It constantly slows your momentum with walls and enemies. You're often waiting for a moving platform to take you where you want to go. The active platforing segments it does have present no challenge and feel like they were arranged without much consideration. I frequently found my mind wandering as I slowly but surely navigated to my destination. It's only really redeeming feature is that it rewards you with bonus stages and chaos emeralds if you explore a bit.

I'm honestly not a biased Nintendrone or anything, I have a lot of nostalgia for the Genesis Sonic games and for Sonic 3 in particular. But I have to admit that the Mario games from the same era were just leagues better.
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>>2936349
>mario games dont have walls
>mario games aren't slow even through you need to hold a run button
>mario games have no moving platforms
>every mario game is extremely challenging.
I think you need to play mario again to refresh your memory.
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>>2936406
I just played Mario World a couple weeks ago dude. It's a way better game. It's faster (in the sense of giving you more things to do more quickly, which is the important thing, not just watching backgrounds scroll by quickly). It's harder. It doesn't have nearly as many walls.
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1. Doom
2. Half-Life
3. Quake 1

This is true.
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>>2935123
I watched a friend play it one time. It was the worst kind of collecting. I don't know how to elaborate but it was so boring to watch.
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>>2934670
>muh contrarian faggotry
>muh Splinter Cell
>muh Syphon Filter
>muh Thief
All dead franchises
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>>2934731
Doom is genuine shit.
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>>2936491
>Syphon Filter

Huh. I just always got the grenade launcher and fucked shit up.
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>>2935132
Sounds like Banjo Kazooie
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>>2935220
Agreed, the game was dogshit, especially that last boss.
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>>2936338
>excuses the post
More like autism, really.
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No one even falls for these troll threads anymore. Why make them?
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>>2936841

>nearly 100 replies to thread

Yes. Yes you do. Every fucking time.

See >>2934864 .
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>>2934971
Seconded, this thread is designed to make a flame war if you don't explain why you think it's shit or overrated
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>>2936349

So you haven't even fucking finished the game and you somehow know the entire layout and structure of all the levels to be able to provide any form of valid input?

Just kill yourself.
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>>2938792
I just finished the remainder this morning.

My complaints are entirely unchanged.

I didn't play the &Knuckles levels yet, but I did just say "Sonic 3" in my original post. It's entirely possible that the &K levels are better (my memory of all the Genesis Sonics was very fuzzy until I played Sonic 3 again just now).
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>>2934638
Holy shit those were cheap pric-
>britbong bux

oh wait, nm
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>>2934230
>it's this thread again
This is huge autism
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>>2934686
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>>2940864
My favorite is Link's Awakening DX.
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>>2936349
My thoughts about Sonic and Mario are similar to this, but quite the opposite (at least for the old entries, even the 3D ones). In hindsight I personally find the Sonic games more interesting to play than the Mario games (then again, the only mainline Mario I really give two shits about was SMB1).
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Quake. It's like the U2 of videogames.
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>>2940864
What would LTTP or the NES zelda 1/2 fans be?
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>>2940864
Not retro. Fuck off.
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>>2940864
Holy shit, I know a guy whose favorite game is Wind Waker and that picture is so accurate.
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>>2934230
I'd agree with you if it was 2, but I really like how 1's levels flow.
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>>2940864
>>2940980
Same fag.

Again, not retro. Fuck off.
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>>2935220
Unreal was better in every imaginable way except I wish the game had a melee weapon instead of the dispersion pistol.
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>>2934702
I really like Zelda but these fedora wearing faggots disgust me. They're like a cancer spreading in the LoZ fanbase.
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so I hear not retro is the new retro
this game is pretty overrated
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>>2934494
The Last Blade so much.
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>>2936475
>I don't like this genre
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>>2934230
>Popular games you don't like?

FTFY
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>>2934678
I agree. It just feels more like a time investment than anything else. Otherwise you are walking from place to place trying to see what your new power-up will allow you to access.

Most of the enemies weren't interesting outside of the Metriods and of course bosses which there aren't many of.
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