Koei

I think they are simplistic strategy games overrated by weabos. Japan can't into grand strategy games.

>prepare to be romanced

>>2912073
Amerifags confuse micromanagement for complexity.

>>2912183
Japs are only good at doing spikey hair waifu simulator garbage. So how many serious strategy games has Japan created? NONE.

>>2912194
Oh gee, something isn't made exactly the way i want it to, that means it sucks. obviously we're better off with lots of different kinds of games and genres than just one.

>>2912234
Still waiting to see a jap turn based game that's not mediocre.

>>2912194
Does Kichikuou Rance count?

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I just bought this the other day, it looks like a NES game but the gameplay looked interesting, also there's ninja.
What's the best game to start with Koei in SNES?
Probably not this one.

>>2912058
>Prepare to be romanced.
Lol wat? Are you going to wine and dine me, game?

Playing DQ Heroes, Sphere of Influence, RTKXI, and DW 8 Empires. Love me some Koei.

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>>2912474
>>2912171
I think this has already been done but whatever.

>>2912380
I've seem some people considering this the worst RPG ever released.

It didn't looked that bad but I still have to play it.

>>2912515
>It didn't looked that bad but I still have to play it.

I like this attitude. Don't trust any one's opinions; often times they are just regurgitating things they hear. I've played many obscure games that I loved which were considered "bad"

>>2912265
Baten Kaitos 1, GCN.
Not retro, patrician level jRPG.

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>>2912380
What's often overlooked in Inindo is the sidegame revolving around allying with one of the major daimyos and waging war with them.

>What's the best game to start with Koei in SNES?
Depends. For grand strategy, you could try Gemfire or jump in RTK4. for rpg/adventure, Uncharted Waters 2 is a good one. There's also Aerobiz if you want something different.

>>2912073
Fucking kill yourself, they created the genre.

>>2912194
You're a complete fucking shiteater. PTO2 is the most comprehensive Pacific war grand strategy game ever.
Now fuck off back to your dead western RTS shit.

>>2912058
Best strategy dev ever. One of the best devs period in the 16-bit gen.

>>2912915
>PTO2 is the most comprehensive Pacific war grand strategy game ever

PTO4 has it beat.

>>2912906
Hmm, I'll argue against this but do you know what Koei actually created? The pornographic visual novel! It was their first game, actually.

>>2912993
>implying Nobunaga's Ambition wasn't released in 1983, channeling the Erikawas' love for history and board gaming into an early game of the genre
Koei shares credit with SSI for shaping grand strategy video gaming. They had a more distinctive approach from the start because there wasn't a huge wargaming industry in Japan until maybe the late 1980s. Also, Night Life's barely a game, more a "love-making tool" that's relevant to eroge but separate.

>>2912915
Gary Grigsby's Pacific War says hi.

>>2913124
There's also System Soft and Avalon Hill, but the later is actual board game company.

>>2912993
>The pornographic visual novel!
Are you talking about the Strawberry Porno Series? None of those are visual novels or whatever. Nightlife isn't even a game.
From what I see their first game was Kawanagawajima no Kassen.

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>>2913310

I love some of the later KOEI games (RotK VIII, X) but haven't really touched the retro ones much outside of IV and Gemfire.

Love me some Uncharted Waters:NH though, definitely deserves more love.

SoI is so much fun

Rotk VI was my favorite one, I've only played VII after that and I didn't like it

>>2912872
>What's often overlooked in Inindo is the sidegame revolving around allying with one of the major daimyos and waging war with them.

That remembers me of Shinobido, it can't be bad.

I've heard about Uncharted Waters and it looks great, but why 2 it's always recommended and not the first one?

I think i'm gonna start with Gemfire.

>>2913461
Not him but, with New Horizons you can choose between 6 instead of 1 pesron all with a different goal and story. And I think they improved some other things.

>>2913150
Yeah, I played Grigsby stuff since Carrier Strike. Pacific War can't touch PTO 2, not in scale, player control, customization, ect. PTO2 is also not the be all end all like the poster further up said. Teitoku no Ketsudan 3 (PTO3) utterly trumps PTO2 and certainly anything Grigsby turned out in regards to the Pacific Theater.

>>2912073
>he thinks micromanaging is complex gameplay
Wew, lad

>>2912964
In regards to nations you can control, yes. PTO4 has a host of other problems, mainly:
Less comprehensive nation building
Simplistic combat with few options
AI log jams
No negotiating with heads of state (In PTO2 with conferences set to hard, it really felt like you were fighting for every scrap of resources).

PTO4 did have some great ship customization, though.

>>2912993
Strawberry Porn? That's not even a game, fàm.

>>2912515
Inindo is great. Honestly never heard anyone hate on it. It's certainly not the worst RPG ever (that would be Buck Rogers on the MD).

>>2913461
Don't think there's a translation patch, but Uncharted Waters Coasta del Sol is the best UW game.

>>2913667
Do Dutchwives Dream of Electric Eels and Danchizuma no Yuuwaku are RPGs.

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>>2912513
I did one some time ago.

>>2913717
In that case I like eels in my ass.
>>2913720
Prepare to be Lu Bu'd

>>2912058
oh yeah spent so much time on nobunaga's ambition on the game boy back in the 90's that game was like crack

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>RTK
>Nobunaga's shenanigans
>Pacific Theather
What about the stuff in the west? I don't see them being talked about either. Do they really suck compared to the eastern ones?

>>2915410
The PC versions of Koei's strategy games tend to be more advanced than their western console counterparts. Koei has a whole line of genre spanning titles in the east, from business management sim to horse racing/breeding (Winning Post). We didn't even get Uncharted Waters: Costa del Sol. Unless you can get translated patches or read Kanji, then most of Koei's stuff is inaccessible. By the way, PC Le' Emperur an Op Europe rock.

>>2915410
Liberty or Death is simple but fun.

>>2915435
no I meant the western war games (not releases) like l'empereur, liberty or death, and aforementioned operation europe. I actually played liberty for a while, but operation europe seemed very daunting.

>>2915443
Op Europe on PC is complex, no doubt. I'd start out with something like Gemfire (western Celtic influenced) or Liberty or Death. Op Europe is more tactical than Grand Strategy, but still abit tricky.
You might also want to try The Third World War on Sega CD/Emu.

>>2915462
Meant L'Empereur, not Liberty or Death.

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>>2915410
gotta love the 640x400 used in their games, as opposed to the more common 320x200 in western games.

>>2915656
Looks great and I love the hidden scenario

I never played Nobu's Ambition or ROTK, however I played a lot of the Dynasty Warriors series on PS2 which is probably considered or approaching /vr/ now.

I fucking loved them. A button masher and realtime strategy with continuity between levels. Some of the objectives to get the good outcome were really fucking hard.

One tiny aspect of Dynasty Warriors is what weapon you give your character and what combo you do. This is the entire game mechanic of God Of War, which is a piece of shit.

Koei games (at least the ones I've played) are fucking fun for the first 3-5 hours, but then once you conquer half the map the rest of the game becomes an utter chore.

Played:

GK2
ROTK3
ROTK4
Bandits

>>2915851
ps2 ain't retro, bub