Richter was totally in the wrong here. Dracula is just sitting in his home minding his own business when some cunt suddenly comes barging in and tells him he's a monster who shouldn't even be allowed to live.
I do realize this is a pointless question because the Castlevania stories become increasingly stupid with each new installment, but what IS so bad about Dracula/Castlevania being revived? The first games seem to imply he'll just terrorize the local towns, 64 had an antichrist analogy and by Aria of Sorrow they were acting as if Dracula is gonna unleash some sort of apocalypse. It's just one vampire, what's the big deal.
The original dindu nuffin, he a good count, he's been going to the chapel every week about to get his undead life back on track, his chapel need mo gold for dem programs.
>It's just one vampire, what's the big deal.
It's THE vampire. The most powerful one in existence since he possesses that orb from LoI. The guy is the boss of Death himself.
All that said he never does really seem to do much but sit in the castle and get married every once in a while. Guy just wants to be left alone with his waifu.
Well, Stoker Dracula is literally a soulless monster that doesn't care about anything past what he can manipulate to keep himself alive. So it's not like he'd think much of it on a conscious level- it's the same shit, different details for him.
In 3 he was the driving force behind a veil of evil that was taking over Europe. He's a manifestation of evil in physical form, no, he's not just some dude living his immortal life, he's a literal monster, that if left unchecked WILL fuck up the earth.
I mean, it wasn't even by his hand that he once again was given flesh.
OP the burden of proof is on you to prove Dracula isn't a catalyst to destroy the world as Humanity knows it.
Does a piece of fiction exist in where Dracula isn't actively fucking earth up?
OP is dangerously close to Griffith Apologist levels of faggotry.
>OP the burden of proof is on you to prove Dracula isn't a catalyst to destroy the world as Humanity knows it.
No it's on Richter because he's the one who started making these accusations. Dracula was clearly just enjoying some wine in his house before this all went down.
>be a good man when you were alive
>bunch of assholes kill your wife for no reason
>let your hate consume you and become the embodiment of chaos
>now his only goal in life is to eradicate all of humanity from the world
Frankly, I can empathize with the guy. Humans are pretty shit tier.
>ITT: "How old is 13 really?" type of backwards ass memeshit
I'm glad there are people like Richter that put an end to these sort of things.
He went home and fucked his new loli waifu.
>>bunch of assholes kill your wife for no reason
TWICE, even! I feel bad for the guy. He managed to fall in love with a human woman after becoming Dracula, they had a child together, and then these asshole villagers capture and burn his wife at the stake. What did you think was going to happen?
Those idiots brought it on themselves.
Didn't Konami try to retcon Stoker's Dracula into Castlevania's Dracula through Bloodlines? If Bloodlines is indeed a sequel to Stoker's book then the same would hold for Castlevania's Dracula.
Yeah, but it doesn't matter, unless Stoker himself said okay to it then it's just some Konami fanfiction. The character histories are way too different to say it's conclusively the same guy and so are their powers. I don't know why they ever thought it was clever trying to connect the stories. It's like trying to jam a square peg in a round hole.
Dracula had kidnapped and imprisoned five women including Richter's wife.
>and got shafted by Shaft.
Who's the slim kidnapper dick
That's a death machine to all the chicks?
You're damn right
Who is the man
That would risk his neck for his brother Drac?
Can ya whip it?
Who's the cat that won't cop out
When there's Belmont all about
You see this cat Shaft is a bad mother
(Shut your mouth)
But I'm talkin' about Shaft
(Then we can whip it)
He's a complicated man
But no one understands him but his vampire
It kinda depends on Dracula's mood when he resurrects. SOTN's Dracula is probably the most melancholy; he really didn't want to do have anything to do with the events, especially with his son running around reminding him of his dead wife. He's pretty much just going through the motions. Most other times when he's on his game he's out there being the embodiment of evil/chaos while the Belmonts act as a balance. Left unchecked Evil will corrupt and take over the world. I suppose in 1999 you could say Dracula just decided to say fuck it and make an end-run against the World. The point Aria of Sorrow was trying to make is that without him Evil/Chaos had no focus, making it behave in an unpredictable manner and potentially even more dangerous than with Dracula running the show, especially if it decided to pick a real motherfucker to take the job. Alucard is even shown starting to realize that someone is going to have to do it if Soma won't, otherwise the balance is just going to get jacked again. It felt like they were putting out the idea that Alucard might even do so himself in a future installment.
Each Demon has its own set of powers. Dracula's main power is the power to rule, he even rules over death itself. If all of these monsters were revived without Dracula they'd basically be wild animals and probably do a lot of infighting to be on top. But with Dracula up top he can coordinate them and turn them into a much more dangerous force since they'd all be working together with a set goal in mind. Plus since usually defeating Dracula kills all the minions with him, it's usually a good idea to do that.
Don't just chop off pieces of the beast, go right for the head and end it all.
>let your hate consume you and become the embodiment of chaos
Oh please. Dracula ain't got nothing on existence. Existence is the embodiment of chaos.
Eradicating humans isn't even more chaotic, it's actually less. Humans ourselves introduce order and chaos in varying degrees. We effect life and diversity in such drastic ways, we ourselves are harbingers of chaos. Where we tread, change comes and systems change as the world around us breaks into chaos and orders simultaneously. We break one world to build another. Constantly in flux and in a battle against ourselves and existence.
The most chaotic thing Dracula could do is simply watch us spread as we do what nature has molded us to do, fight it.
To destroy humans and put monsters on the world is to basically revert to a more balanced world that already existed prehuman. There's chaos in both worlds, but only in that world of balanced animalistic chaos does the existence of wreaking havoc on a universal level stop existing, it will blot into nothing and chaos will cease to exist in everything we know but the mechanics of the stars. The very sun will burn out all existence on this planet. If you want to see chaos, let humans fight the fucking sun and attempt the depths of space itself. We will drag life and sentience screaming into eternity for as long as we can withstand the barrage of our fellow humans. Humans are existence itself personified. We are not shit tier, we are not god tier, we are existence tier. We are not worse or better than other creatures, we are merely the current species dragging the heaviest chains of change. If we drop them after the point of no return, everything dies.
I don't think the implication was that Alucard might adopt his father's legacy. Alucard was only suggesting that if the world requires an evil figurehead it will happen eventually--Soma himself doesn't need to do it.
You're right, Dracula shouldn't have to prove he isn't trying some shit when literally every point in recorded history has him fucking things up.
Yup. The being known as "The prince of darkness" should be considered innocent until proven guilty.
>tfw we will never get the 1999 Dracula game
Meh, they'd probably just ruin it anyway
>Yup. The being known as "The prince of darkness" should be considered innocent until proven guilty.
Yeah that's exactly how it works. You don't know if he had a change of heart or not and just because he did some heinous stuff in the past which he was appropriately punished for doesn't mean he should be thrown in the slammer everytime the Belmonts who clearly have a bias towards him starts throwing out accusations. For all we know Richter could be taking advantage of Drac's reputation towards the people to get away with cold hearted murder.
Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.
Did anyone else really fucking hate playing as Soma? He's such a fucking clueless pussy, Alucard gives it to him totally straight and Soma's like "uh wat" then seems to just muddle his way thru the Sorrow games with everyone giving him strong advice and hints.
I liked the gameplay and economy and tactical souls of AoS/DoS, it's technically a better game than SotN in my eyes, but fuck Soma right off.
No. But it is attempted murder, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon with racial prejudice, battery, hate crime, breaking and entering, massive property damage and probably a slew of other charges as well. Belmont's going away for a long time.
It does. But they murdered his wife, which is why Dracula kidnapped the villagers since they sure as fuck weren't going to hold the people responsible for justice and let's not kid ourselves, everyone's partly to blame in a society that allows them to burn kind people as witches - (her last words were to not hate humans and that she loved dracula, sound like an evil witch and a monster to you?). Besides there's a vampire hunting clan.
Imagine if you were black, and people hated you and your wife and thought your wife did voodoo (probably because they were too busy treating eachother like shit and shitting on peasants and creating plague infested ghettos to live in) then she was murdered and her dying words were that she loved you and not to hate whites. But you didn't find out until long after. Would you not hunt down the barbarous villagers with a twisted and broken justice system that murdered a loving innocent person and sent a a colored hunting Klan after you? Would her last words even make it not right to seek justice?
Who was really in the right here?
Also, let's not forget that Drac was made by God creating cursed alchemy device that allowed Mathias to defy god himself when God set fourth a known plan to murder his wife with god-created illness. Thus Mathias rightfully left the church and manipulated Leon a follower of God to eschew the way of God to obtain the stone that would make him a Vampire and then give him the opportunity to fight God as well. Leon chose not too and decided to fight Mathias/Dracula whose goal was to stop God, the author of chaos and confusion himself.
So really, Drac's the good guy in this whole series and the Belmont's are acting as an independent contractor to entity verified as being evil incarnate due to his omniscience and omnipotence who chooses to create people so that he can torture them for his own enjoyment as a 'test' which he designed them to pass or fail by his own specifications, God.
Belmont clan, are all assholes.
I think the SNES version has an overall better arrangement (those guitar bits in 0:23 and 0:26, hnng) and while it isn't Redbook audio, it still sounds fine.
You don't need to bring race into the question. These kinds of situations have nothing to do with race. Race is just one of many ways people discriminate against each other. It has more do with the nature of people. Look at the Salem Witch trials, the communist lynching of "anti-revolutionaries", and more recently the lynching of a woman in Pakistan for allegedly burning the Koran, for example. What's the underlying feature that they all share?
>You don't need to bring race into the question.
>someone who looks very different, who is the closer to being what would be defined as a different race than anyone else on the planet
I would avoid it but the villagers beat me to it, sorry.
Your example is killing off people with threatening ideologies. What ideologies do you ascribe to someone who merely looks different and wasn't doing jack shit to you specifically all up in his castle and who you don't know shit about?
Don't get me wrong, there's definitely a difference of ideologies at play and Drac is the one who knows of both his and others. But that's asymmetrical. Most of the villagers don't sit around sipping chardonnay with death and shooting the shit after a long days work being all
"Hey you know how I'm the shadowy master of chaos chilling up here, what's all the villagers like so far?"
"Eh, they're all ignorant God praying assholes who say they didn't do anything wrong, mostly the same as the last few centuries still."
"Well, at least I'm all up here in my castle now that this whole attack on god thing didn't work out. So they shouldn't bother me at all, they've only ever seen me a few times on romantic walks with dat hot piece ass I picked up, can you believe she turned like all eleven this year, almost twice the legal age now. She even dresses with the latest fashions you could hardly tell she was born in the 1460s."
"...ugh... kill me already"
"hahahahah, what do I look like one of those Belmont assholes who go about trying to destroy a force of nature required for life to even exist on this planet just to murder someone doing good? You crack me up old friend."
"At least I got you laughing to death"
"What you got skeletons to bounce around in the basement all day but you can't even bring one up for a proper rimshot. God, I hope the villagers murder your wife."
"Wow, supes innappropriate asshole."
"Eat me. Besides she's gonna die of illness in like three years anyway."
>kidnap women and suck out their souls
>a belmont comes and slaps your shit
>resurrect a few hundered years later and make a thread on /vr/ about how you dindu nothing and the belmonts are racist
Yes, actually. Shaft's body was destroyed by Rondo and his ghost defeated later on in the same game, and after the dissipation of his ghost, it returned, bound to his crystal ball, as Shaft is immortal like Death and Dracula.
What you fight in SotN is his crystal ball in the Richter fight, and then his ghost (within the crystal ball) right before the Dracula fight. Shaft never regained a body.
>Would you not hunt down the barbarous villagers with a twisted and broken justice system that murdered a loving innocent person and sent a a colored hunting Klan after you?
Probably not. Because the wrongful death of one person doesn't justify killing a ton of people of varying involvement. Dracula's an egocentric asshole. More news at 11.
>Because the wrongful death of one person doesn't justify killing a ton of people of varying involvement
No but the wrongful murder of varying very guilty people does. Every single one of those fucks would be charged as co-conspirators of murder. That carries the same penalty as murder itself. Death or Life in Prison.
Drac's being generous with the former.
>That carries the same penalty as murder itself.
Not really. It's not as if killing more people is going to help anything. And either way Dracula explicitly wages war on God and mankind as a whole. He's not justified there. Just butthurt over what happened to him. It's why >>2898859 is ultimately irrelevant. Yeah, Dracula had some rough shit happen to him. That doesn't justify being such a manipulative and vengeful cunt. His waifu being executed doesn't justify oppressing the world with evil.
You mean exactly really.
>California criminal law is somewhat representative of other jurisdictions. A punishable conspiracy exists when at least two people form an agreement to commit a crime, and at least one of them does some act in furtherance to committing the crime. Each person is punishable in the same manner and to the same extent as is provided for the punishment of the crime itself. 
Most states have a law like that. So I don't know where the fuck you're getting this not really bullshit from.
>It's not as if killing more people is going to help anything.
Sure as fuck will.
>And either way Dracula explicitly wages war on God
And that was brought up. God has been found guilty himself of massive atrocities and Drac's the only one we know of in the story with the balls to fight against him. He's actually the only one justified in the whole fucking thing, except for death who doesn't need justification for shit since he's beyond justification as the mere personification of a force of nature.
> It's why >>2898859 is ultimately irrelevant.
It's why it's absolutely relevant.
>Yeah, Dracula had some rough shit happen to him. That doesn't justify being such a manipulative and vengeful cunt.
No, having rough shit happen to you is not what makes it justifiable. Having rough shit purposely targeted at you as a preplanned attack. That's the nature of justice.
>His waifu being executed doesn't justify oppressing the world with evil.
No, it doesn't. It justifies kidnapping the girls and fucking up the villagers who did it.
What justifies his "opressing" the world with evil is that the world is already opressed with evil. He's justified in cleansing evil from the world. His chaos and destruction is actually the good in the world. His alignment is chaotic good and the worlds is lawful evil in this case. The majority of the world for the thing prays to a god of death and evil who Drac wants to fuck up. Drac is to CV as Doomguy is to Doom.
Woops. Didn't copy/paste the entire line. The "not really" was directed toward "Death or life in prison."
>Sure as fuck will.
Yeah, okay. It will bring his wife back to life I guess.
>God has been found guilty himself of massive atrocities
Don't want to get into theology too heavily here, but that's the entire point of faith. God is justified because he is God (in a Miltonic monistic sense God is everything). Dracula becomes too obsessed with mankind's shitty parts and ends up becoming even shittier. Dracula's blasphemous. No more, no less. He's a dangerous aberration in the world.
Elements of Dracula's backstory make him more sympathetic. Not justified, though. Dragging innocent people into his woe-is-me nonsense isn't justice. Even if we pretend that God in the Castlevania-verse is an oppressive evil monstrosity Dracula being another oppressive evil monstrosity doesn't help anything. Trying to save people from God's wrath by imposing a wrath of skeletons and Medusa heads isn't that applaudable.
>Yeah, okay. It will bring his wife back to life I guess.
>see someone doing incredible harm and wronging people
Good one chummer.
>God is justified because he is God
Doesn't hold water.
>He's a dangerous aberration in the world.
See previous. No. The world is a dangerous aberration to justice and logic. No one's innocent in that world. There's a god, at war with existence and you're either fighting him or you're a casualty.
>Trying to save people from God's wrath
You're mistaken. They are to god as skeletons and medusa are to Drac.
> Dracula being another oppressive evil monstrosity doesn't help anything
It doesn't hurt anything either. You see the problem is, if people and god are good then drac is good because he's a puppet of god just as the people are. He's a puppet fighting back, but you can't consider drac evil because he kills them because he's only doing what the thing the entity he's fighting against made him do, which is what the people pray for him to make him do. That is, they pray for his ultimate mysterious plan and drac is part of that plan. There's no good in this world, it's just evil all the way through because it's designed with the intent and purpose of being a source of pleasure for evil incarnate. The only good things in an existence such as that is end said existence or alter the very essence of that existence.
>Doesn't hold water.
But it does in an absolute sense. That's what makes him God.
>There's a god, at war with existence
God isn't "at war with" existence. Dracula is.
I'm aware that he isn't trying to "save" people (I was making fun of your point), I'm pointing out that he and his crew aren't more justified than God and humanity. Why should anyone side with Dracula's atrocities? Because his human companions got fucked over? How does it follow that he's justified in fucking over the entirety of humanity and reshaping it in his image? It's an egocentric war. That's really it
>if people and god are good then drac is good because he's a puppet of god
Free will etc. The same way Lucifer is free to act in the way he does (as well as Adam and Eve) in Paradise Lost, and the same way Mephistopheles is free to do what he does (and Faust) in Faust.
>There's no good in this world
But there clearly is.
>But it does in an absolute sense. That's what makes him God.
It's also what makes him wrong. God can control his actions and also the actions of all others, he more than anyone is obligated to that responsibility. His being god doesn't excuse it, it makes it worse.
>God isn't "at war with" existence. Dracula is.
God's entire goal is to spread as much misery and bullshit as possible. Draculas entire goal is stop God from spreading misery and bullshit. How many times does this shit need to be explained to you? Fuck, read.
>Free will etc
Doesn't exist. Can't exist. One, people don't work that way and also god is omnicient. Free will can't exist in the same universe as omnicience. Though Omnipotency also exists which can't exist with omnipotency either, so there's that.
Here's a good read on that whole why you're wrong thing.
>But there clearly is.
No and definitely not clearly. Since there's no good to be seen and everything is conceptually evil, not really good at all.
It'd be business as usual except Dracula dies for real this time. It's amusing to me that people got so hung up on what was (by Igarashi's own admission) just background fluff.
Yeah there's definitely room for a cool story or something but Castlevania's never really had great, involving plots. I'm not opposed to a 1999 game (especially if it was a Classicvania with a decent budget), but we already know what happens.
Personally I like the fact there is no game. Only knowing that it's some massive event Julius was involved in with very little details really gave his character a legendary feel that would diminish no matter how well done a game based on it is. There are some stories best left untold and that's one of them.
All these Richter fags ITT gtfo
Actually if anything, he was embracing god. Satan is mentioned in the bible like once and the only thing he did was was exactly what Drac did in the first place to become Drac, oppose god. Assuming you're even attributing the name to Satan to him and the whole concept of the devil isn't really even clearly given or assigned due to various things like the word satan being the generic word for adversary and other mere commentary on generic devils but not one specifically overarching link.
Assuming the standard Christian "fuck reading the bible" worldview anyway and considering any vague possible references as "Satan", even if you consider that. Satan made the choice to kill zero people, literally the only people he ever kills are on God's command and God himself straight up world genocides humanity and creatures of the earth and murders the fuck out of out of people for basically pissing and moaning. He fucking kills people Not to mention his mysterious plan demands free will that he gave you to decide which he knew you were going to decide and knows you were going to make that decision because he designed you to do so thus no not really free will.
Literally, Dracula wiping out humanity is the very thing God gets hard for. The only thing that was embracing "Satan" was when he become a vampire and wanted to fuck with God himself. That's about as close as he ever gets to embracing them. Though given God's whole commanding other people to murder in his name is fairly common thing when he's not busy melting people's faces for listing their grievances his murdering their people. So yeah, sending monsters all up and down on people, that's some in the name of God tier edginess actually.
if you played the one before this one you'd know that dracula and death come back and team up again and raise an army of undead to attack the world. richter saves his village from these monsters and heads twords dracula's castle to stop the evil since he is a belmont decedent. this stage is a recreation of the ending of rondo of blood. you dingus.