What do you guys think of this site?
I have noticed many errors on the site. Would a wiki to list them and add corrections help? I know the articles are often times written by amateurs, and they seem to fast forward through the games in fast forward.
Has anyone here written for them? Does anyone plan on writing for them?
It's my favorite reviews site ever, and that's saying a lot considering I agree with you on the errors thing. And absolutely DO make an account on the forums, they're very well receptive to criticism.
It's been around for a long time, and has just now gotten a Patreon (continuous crowdfunding platform) so they're now under huge pressure to perform better.
It's nice that they uncover a lot of hidden gems, but the actual review quality from them is very poor. Like, IGN levels of bad. The articles for Darius and Guilty Gear and Toaplan games in particular are so inaccurate and unenthusiastic they read like second-hand impressions.
Their articles where they simply outline the history of a game in a somewhat objective fashion are fine. It's only when they start getting really opinionated you realize how shit they can be.
I enjoy reading the articles and finding games I've never heard of.
I don't give a shit about their opinions though. I prefer to form my own...I suppose that could be said about pretty much anything really.
>It's nice that they uncover a lot of hidden gems, but the actual review quality from them is very poor. Like, IGN levels of bad. The articles for Darius and Guilty Gear and Toaplan games in particular are so inaccurate and unenthusiastic they read like second-hand impressions.
HG101 isn't exactly about LIKING games. It's about history. History with a fair lashing of cynicism and bias. If you visit the site expecting to be told how awesome your favorite games are, you'll likely be disappointed.
My beef with them is that sometimes an article would cover a game a lot but the sequel barely gets the same treatment like this article. I liked Drakkhen, but Dragon View is a better game. It needed more in depth than a single paragraph.
You know it's a site done by volunteers right? The guy who did it just wanted to talk about Drakkhen, and just wrote a quick little paragraph to say that the sequel exists.
You could just write up a big detailed in depth thing for the sequel, and I'm sure they'll post that.
I promise it wasn't me...hell, I didn't even start the Strider thread. :)
(Is this the Anon from the Strider thread? hehe) It's gotten a LOT better since a few years ago, but there's still some toxic elements that need to leave. I guess on the bright side, that autist roushimsx had a hissy fit and never came back.
As for the flaky articles, there's a lot of stuff that was written years ago that Kurt would be interested in updating or re-doing; case in point, I'm re-writing zzz's Sweet Home article right now because it currently sounds like a preschooler's first attempt at writing a Tim Rogers article. Anyway, I'm shooting to make it more objective, and there's some stories about the making of the game (and movie) that will hopefully be of interest.
Anyway, if you're interested in updating or re-writing articles that you feel are lacking, email Kurt or go to the articles thread on the forum, he's a pretty chill guy and would be glad to have the help.
That's pretty much my view of the site's articles. It's surprising what games will go under your radar, and it's fun to learn about those (at the very least so you can grab some roms and check them out).
>If you visit the site expecting to be told how awesome your favorite games are, you'll likely be disappointed.
Of course that's not what I'm expecting. However, claiming that Darius games prior to 1994 were bland and uninspired is genuine bullshit. They WEREN'T bland and uninspired back when they were first released and you'd have to be seriously ignorant to actually believe that because looking beyond those early releases doesn't bring up anything like them. They were innovative and at the very least deserve more credit than having cool widescreen cabinets.
You say that like it's a bad thing!
That's a pretty old article, and would be a candidate for an update - at the very least it needs to be re-formatted to match the current "style". Contact Kurt. Same for the Drakkhen article, I'm almost positive he'd be down with it if you've got something to add.
Surprised at the strong opinions here.
I for once really enjoy HG101 since it doesn't just rely on single game reviews, but the whole series of a game (eg capcom scrollin beat em ups, turtles games, ultima franchise etc.). It's really interesting to see the evolution of the games as well as the comparison of the ports. Furthermore they tend to highlight some obscure or underrated or at least interesting gems out there. Some of the other articles such as Korean Gaming, and Japanese Boxart of Western Games are really cool as well.
However yeah I have to agree that the reviews can at least be... inconsistent. I mean I really like the Dodonpachi series, but the reviews by Spencer Johnson go way overboard into the game mechanics on an almost autistic level, and it's like I don't care how the game works to the smallest detail - how cool is the game? What's the style like? Is the music awesome? etc.
I don't give a fuck about point chaining hit combo radius what the fuck ever! It's targeted at a hardcore shmup obsessor rather than someone who happens to be passionate about oldschool games and their aesthetics (no offense intended)
>The easiest way to score is to go through each stage trying to get a very high combo multiplier, and then scratching the boss with the Laser's Aura for huge score bonuses. In Bee Storm each time the Laser's Aura hits something, it adds 1,000 points multiplied by the number of hits in the current combo. Another key technique in scoring, and even survival, is to build up another Energy bar while simultaneously using a Laser Bomb. During a Laser Bomb, coming into contact with a bullet will cancel it, both due to the Laser
too much information is never a flaw man, you can just choose to skip over those parts if you're not interested, the autists among us (including me) would not want to see the details go
relax your bottocks and skim on, it's good for your blood pressure
Just not a fan of his review style in comparison to the others which are more generalised.
There's no real comparison of the context of the games or their evolution mentioned. So there's nothing to skim on to.
I suppose Dodonpachi fans or those wanting to get into the games for their technical basis will be pleased though.
So it is after all a lack of content that bothers you, as opposed to the presence of some unwanted information. That's a legitimate beef and I sort of didn't gather it from your previous post.
well, cave games stopped evolving aesthetically after the first ddp, in fact they started using pre rendered cgi models which might actually look worse to some people
The only change was mechanic wise and the addition of moe girls, really.
I like to listen to music and read about the culture notes of the games rather than watch videos of nerds talking about games. Though I will watch game footage on mute when really bored.
From your logic we should just do away with all kinds of reviewers for all forms of media since we can all get it on the internet!!!
Dodonpachi II was an interesting footnote since it was developed by ching chong IGS. Could've done with more opinions on how it differed from Cave's style...
But yeah you're right. and what the hell is it with modern shmups and anime girls these days?
There was at least one other deleted negative comment that got deleted that I couldn't capture in time
Censoring posts calling your shitty site shitty is not the way to make people like it, mods. It does the exact opposite
I remember we were having a discussion about Szczepaniak and Kaku a few weeks ago and that all got deleted, and it was about the book on retro games they were producing and the epic drama (so it was on-topic). I wonder who from HG101 the mod could be?
Hehe, no problem :)
In response to the deleted post in the image, It's a site that focuses on retrogaming. The OP raised a valid question about how to improve that site with regards to errors about retro game-related articles on the site. Pretty sure that counts as retro game related?
Although you can currently air grievances about errors in articles on the forums, a wiki or something along those lines would be nice too. The only problem I could see would be dealing with bullshit entries or other wiki-related stuff, but it's still worth a try.
> It's a site that focuses on retrogaming. The OP raised a valid question about how to improve that site with regards to errors about retro game-related articles on the site. Pretty sure that counts as retro game related?
This is a site that focuses on retro gaming, other websites are irrelevant. The board was made for the discussion of retro gaming, not meta discussions of other retro gaming sites.
Can I start spamming my gaming site here then if it covers retro games? What about anyone else who owns a retro gaming site? There's definitely enough of them. If not, why is HG101 getting preferential treatment?
I remember seeing a friend of mine throw a hissy fit about how absurdly bad and pretentious one of their Final Fantasy articles was (I think it was 6) saying it was written by a tryhard who compared it to Dragon's Quest too often and was too loaded with nostalgia or something.
Anyone know what article they were talking about, and if they were right, or just complaining because the writer wasn't a big fan of it?
They just need some editors to do quality control. I have seen a few reviews where the author started them by droning on and on about something completely unrelated to the game he was attempting to review, and I just stopped reading because it wasn't going anywhere.
I'm beginning to get the feeling you don't like HCG101 very much...
Also, nice to see you change it up to "spamming"; your overuse of the word "shill" was probably what got the other posts pruned.
It's pretty much garbage. I hate when reviews start dropping names and historical facts (it always comes off as "look at me, i know my gaming, i'm hardcore!" every time without fail) and they do that shit all the time.
When will people realize that this shit is only acceptable before and around the time the game is realized and not 15 years after the fact? You aren't the sole purveyor of the knowledge.
Anyway, hardcoregaming101 is shit, there are so many bad games on the list with justifications as to why they're "hardcore" rather than frustratingly shit, like Aerofighters: Assault.
Of course they have an Ikaruga article too, throwing around words like "masterpiece" and "genius". It's just another shitty review site under the guise of, well, being "hardcore".
>I'm beginning to get the feeling you don't like HCG101 very much...
How I feel about the site is irrelevant, I have a problem with it getting preferential treatment here as it is utterly irrelevant to this board
>Also, nice to see you change it up to "spamming"; your overuse of the word "shill" was probably what got the other posts pruned.
I wasn't the only one calling it a shill thx but it's an appropriate word considering almost all negative comments are getting deleted while any positive posts are left untouched
They lifted that review from Socksmakepeoplesexy.net. It's by some blowhard lit major. I dunno; I think it's an interesting view of Final Fantasy - a little too self-consumed though.
>I hate when reviews start dropping names and historical facts
This. They should never name any of the people involved and they should not make any factual statements about the games. They should learn from professional reviewers and write things like "gaming's Citizen Kane moment."
>When will people realize that this shit is only acceptable before and around the time the game is realized and not 15 years after the fact?
Yes. They should have reviewed Mega Man 2 when it came out, and not today. And no, the fact that the WWW didn't exist at the time is no excuse. Put that shit on a BBS.
>there are so many bad games on the list
It's outrageous. Ask any academic or critic and he'll tell you that if something is bad nothing can be learned from it, there's nothing interesting about it and it should be erased from the historical record.
Keep fighting the good fight Anon.
So far the only negative comments that have been proven to have been deleted are nearly-identical butthurt shitposts. Besides I'm seeing plenty of negative comments - yours are still here, right?
I like it.
Of course I don't always agree with the reviewers there, but who cares? they're regular guys like you or me.
It could be a lot worse, at elast the site has a certain 90s website feel and that's one of the things I like the best about it. I don't know about the forums because I never went there, but the articles themselves don't have comment sections, or social media link options, or obtuse, annoying flash website shenanigans. It's just a simple HTML site with balck background, easy to read text and lots and lots of good quality screenshots of the games at their native resolution. On top of that, a lot of valuable information on english such as who the developers are, what year the games came out, their original titles and if they had any western release, and decent information on how is the gameplay and what's the game about.
I think all the articles I've read on the site are at least decent, as in they actually inform you about the games rather than rant about social justice stuff, or whatever modern gaming sites are doing nowadays. Then, if the reviewer has different opinions on the quality of the game, then that's purely subjective, as I said I disagree with a lot of the reviews on the site, but at least the main information is there, and it's presented in a way I like.
>Pokemon R/B/Y as their #1 gameboy game out of 130 games including gameboy games
>Dear God how much time we put into these games. I played it on an emulator so I was never really into collecting all the Pokemons because, well, I couldn't (those were simpler times).But I was into the whole adventure thing, which was pretty new to me, so basically this game got me hooked on JRPGs for the next 6-7 years (thank you!).
top fucking lel
That's because the posts are getting deleted faggot, do you not understand how this works? You're not seeing half the negative comments, they've only kept up the ones that have been replied to so they can't easily delete them without being noticed
You're a butthurt faggot. Maybe they shouldn't have "reviewed megaman 2" because there's about 10000 reviews already, let alone tell us that the sublime soundtrack by Takashi Tateishi coupled with the genius level design makes for an exhilarating thrill-ride through 8-bit platforming heaven.
How many times do you need to hear it? How much reassurance do you need that you're better off playing videogames instead of out getting laid?
It's simple: Unless you have something unique to offer in your review, don't bother. Being unique can even be your own childhood experiences. Regurgitating facts that you can find on wikipedia is just lame shit, and vague statements on how "genius" a game is too.
Going into the mechanics like >>1866318
is good, it's about as "hardcore" as you can get. Going into vague "level design" and linking together arbitrary design choices like egoraptor is about as "dumb wannabe" as you can get.
Guess where most of the reviews on HG101 fall?
>Yes. They should have reviewed Mega Man 2 when it came out, and not today. And no, the fact that the WWW didn't exist at the time is no excuse. Put that shit on a BBS.
I think he meant the fact that the reviews don't have any historical perspective to them. They will dismiss any impact a game had on the industry because the newer sequels made "it outdated" like they do on the Fire Emblem article. The point of retrospective is to compared a game with what was available back in the day, not with the newer versions
Also many articles have pretty awful wording to them. Like calling Akai Yousai (the FDS version of Jackal) "worse than the US version", without acknowledging the fact that it came out months earlier.
Oh yeah, and their forum community is a complete cesspool.
I always wanted to try writing an article for that site. Never felt too confident however. I think I need to improve my writing more before I decide to write a review.
Holy shit, this is pure cancer right here.
Game articles are all over the place, but I'm indebted to the site for introducing me to Korean games and Japanese computer culture. Right now, their update schedule is genuinely exciting thanks to dat Patreon money. I could care less for the book compilations, but more Dark Ages of JRPG write-ups and the occasional feature are something to look forward to. Site's also easy on the eyes and you can ignore the community when it's being dumb.
Derboo's a better journalist than Szczepaniak, or anyone else there.
>Derboo's a better journalist than Szczepaniak, or anyone else there.
I wish he wasn't so much of a prune though.
>The Japanese cover accordingly features some (en)gross(ing) cyberfetish artwork by Naoyuki Kato, whereas Europeans were greeted by a more subdued space age style design.
Was that passive aggressive comment really necessary? How is this "cyberfetish" anyway?
It was Valis X. I really like Derboo's writing, but saying a porn game is woman hating is fucking retarded.
That said. I'm very much looking forward to their book releases and I'm glad that John is still getting UHoJGD out. The DVD was fanfuckingtastic.
This. I love Game Sack for the same reason. There's also that one youtube channel made JUST to compare the ports and such of games like Castlevania, GnG, Pac-Man, etc...
I'm gonna get accused of shilling, but have you listened to the GC9x podcast? It might be up your alley. xerxes and me are ancient, and given to anecdotes about what we remember of them when they came out, etc., to add perspective. In particular the Mother's Day/Father's Day episode might interest you.
About the comments here (and that Strider thread) about the forum community - what was your experience there that soured it to you? It can be pretty horrible at times but it's improved.
I don't think he enjoys life, lol. His articles about Korean gaming are very good though and well worth reading.
You should give it a try regardless!
He was probably offput by the weird preggo scenes and monster rape. Those games get relatively gross, even by my standards. I still think it's awesome they made "official" Valis porno games though.
The relatively recent Xevious article is pretty great in that regard, if you haven't checked it out already.
you need a tripcode so people won't pretend to be you.
put a # in front of the name field followed by a password, that will generate a code in front of your name so we can know it's you
Game Sack and Let's Compare are awesome. Need more series like them
Game Sack is probably my favourite since it's obviously dudes who grew up with SNES and Mega Drive I mean Genesis (i'm from the uk), and they seem like pretty cool likeable but nerdy guys with dry senses of humour. Pretty relateable.
>The point of retrospective is to compared a game with what was available back in the day, not with the newer versions
No, the point of retrospective is to compare a game from back in the day to what we have available today.
>No, the point of retrospective is to compare a game from back in the day to what we have available today.
Maybe in the context of the newer sequels (i.e. SF2 introduced more playable characters and improved the input recognition of special commands), but not when you're talking about the older games. Catch my drift?
The design and concept behind the site is great (informative, detailed retrospectives of quintassential and lesser known games). But it has huge issues. To begin with, quality control is all over the place. Many writers have huge biases right off the bat, writing from either hate or loving nostalgia and without too much regard for fact checking. When articles have true hard-to-find information it's awesome, but this is seldom the case. Sometimes it's just the author's style that gets in the way. I think Patrick Holloway is waaaay out of place in HG101, and the Chrono Trigger article still stands as one of the worst ones in that site.
Since it's written in an authoritative style, it's easy for people to accept what the HG101 articles say without questioning it. People still think Granstream Saga has anything to do with Tenchi Souzou, for example. Dragon Song was bad but it's far from being kusoge, yet it's included as such because the author missed the WD and anime cutscenes. On that note, the XZR article still presents outdated theories and outright wrong information while going off tangent to suck Vic Ireland's cock. The list goes on and on, the site is ruined by personal biases. It needs more quality control. The articles that are factual and informative are awesome, but many of them simply aren't.
Absolutely awful writing on that site, and I don't just mean the typos and grammar errors in every paragraph either. Almost every article sticks to the same terrible template too. And their screenshots are all in the wrong aspect ratio. I like the site in theory but i just cannot read anything on there because there just doesn't seem to be any quality control or proofreading.
Site's pretty good and some articles are great because they have a lot of details, interviews, comparisons and shit, but others feel like the author didn't even play the games or were in a hurry (like 7th dragon 2020). Plus there's a terrible lack of articles about genre defining games and studios (mostly from PC).
Yeah, that game is pretty much hotd2 with different controls so it's not much of big deal when the game itself tells you what are you getting into.
>What the hell? A buncha text? Why is there so much talking? Why when I move around, the game suddenly goes through a seizure and the screen changes? This Kain guy and Cecil look cool but why can’t I control them? Jump? That means he can jump right? Cecil gained a level? Does that mean I get a new area?
>Then the most annoying thing in games of all for 8 year olds...numbers for energy.
>WHAT THE HELL? YOU MEAN YOU DON’T GET AN ENERGY BAR?!
>That’s FFII when I first played it. I didn’t know what the hell I was doing. Cecil looked cool, and his sword swings were nice, but I wanted to control him. I never understood why the power of dark didn’t work against dark enemies or why lightning magic works against water enemies.
>Needless to say, with a party of two mages and a physical fighter, I had everyone using physical attacks against a water elemental second boss knowing nothing about magic and dying.
TL;DR: The author spends too much talking about how much of an ignorant shit back when he was a kid.
Incoherent babbling. Author spends too much time on shit no one cares about (like his opinions on RPGs of the time). Also, tries to mix wit and information but it falls flat and is not impressive.
Half of the original script had to be left out due to rom space, some people think it made the SNES translation inferior. I don't think we missed much with having half of the script localized and edited
The Vagrant Story article is quite awful. It reads more like someone's thesis or dissection about the theme from the game, rather than the game itself like the other articles.
>Chrono Trigger was probably the hardest, owing to time constraints and multiple characters that said slightly different things. Try translating a couple of thousand pages in a month or so (then having to go back and toss out 50% due to memory limitations)
It seems the focus is indeed the theme and whatever idea of hero he is exposing, but the main mechanics of the game are there (magic, weapons, attributes). No idea if it explains chaining since I don't really feel like reading it completely, but from what I skimmed it seems to be sufficient. Otherwise I would like to know what you think it needs.
50% of the words != 50% of the script
He just needed to write more succinctly. The fact that the DS retranslation didn't have tons of new info from this supposed missing 50% should be proof enough that nothing like that was missing.
>It reads more like someone's thesis or dissection about the theme from the game, rather than the game itself like the other articles.
This is a common flaw with most HG101 articles. The Final Fight retrospective starts out with how the original game took away the beat-'em-up crown from Double Dragon, but most of the article is spent talking about Poison's penis than the actual gameplay.
>cave games stopped evolving aesthetically after the first ddp
>Deathsmiles, Mushihimesama, Akai Katana, or even DDP DOJ
>in anyway aesthetically similar to DDP
Please stop talking out of your ass
if being critical of games and not praising everything solely for existing (like many people seem to do) is "arrogance" in your eyes I don't know what to tell you.
a lot of shit is awful, courtesy of lazy seeking to make a quick buck no matter the cost, pointing out such flaws is hardly arrogance, if anything it tears off the nostalgia goggles and makes one see a game for what it is instead of resorting to wishful thinking
>talking about your sexual frustration in a video game article
I was surprised the article wasn't posted on April 1st
So, I like HG101 because its a jumping off point for me to find older games that I hadn't heard of before. Like with anything, I take every review for a game with a cup of salt because everyone is high opinionated when it comes to games.
The only thing that ever rustles my jimjams on that site was when they did an article on what game actually was the first RPG and the saying that Wikipedia is 100% incorrect on all of its articles because the only sources for the dates that Ultima 0 came out are two hard to find magazines that have a three word blurb.
I use it all the time but fuck them for having white text on a black background. I have to go into my Firefox settings and change the settings to white every time I go there or else it'll burn out my eyes.
>Amateurs speeding through games they don't know that well in emulators mostly.
The Kunio-kun retrospective is pretty guilty of this, where the author spent most of the article bitching about the difficulty level in the arcade version of original Nekketsu Kouha (Renegade). It's actually one of the simplest beat-'em-ups ever made.
>It's a lousy edgy try-hard game that killed the series.
I wouldn't go that far. Yeah, it was an edgy try-hard game that milked off the nostalgic value of the Final Fight name, but belt-scrollers were already passed their heyday when the game was made and last Final Fight game before that was a crappy one-on-one polygonal fighting game for the Saturn.
I want to have sex with Audun Sorlie's reviews, particularly the YU-NO one. He should really move his ass and contribute more to the site.
Overall I like HG101 but I feel that Socks Make People Sexy did the whole "multiple contributors" thing better, at least while the site was still alive. Game Club 199X is also a mixed bag, sometimes I cringe hard, sometimes the episodes are just meh.