>>25095679 >Japanese player hears about this "Smogon" and looks it up >finds site and then sees how their meta game works >"Singles, huh?" then notices obvious tactics are not being taken advantage of >he investigates, and finds "teh smogon rulez for pokeman battles." >hysterical laughter >shows friends "you gotta check these plebs out, it's hilarious" >Smogon becomes an in joke for the Japanese pokemon community
>>25096565 >literally does not impact you at all That's where you're wrong. I want the real competitive scene to grow and Smogon building a fanbase playing unofficial rules on an unofficial simulator is hurting it badly outside of Japan. There's nothing wrong about fan rules but it should not be the focus of the biggest competitive site, especially in an age where real life tournaments and eSports are quickly becoming a huge thing.
I put half the blame on Smogon for being behind the times and half the blame on Showdown for being so accessible that it's full of newfags and casuals who don't own the real game
Well that's what people enjoyed and decided to play. You're basically saying "these unofficial rules are way too popular" which makes no sense. It's not like GF doesn't do well promoting their own stuff in great ways anyway. If you don't want to hear too much about smogon, you're best bet is to just stick to in-game. VGC and battle spot are fun metas that get tons of promotion.You're rarely ever gonna find any serious smogon players on there. Saying "this is too popular because it's unofficial" is just stupid. I'm sorry that you feel it's too popular, but that's just the way it is. People can play however they want, so I don't see why that should have a serious effect on you, unless you're not focused at all on the way you play, but more on how everyone else plays.
>>25097017 Have you considered Smogon has such a large focus in the West because their meta is legitimately better and more balanced, and the only reason Japan has VGC is because Smogon is an english site?
>>25097113 I don't see how a metagame that creates its banlist based on competitive results and emergent trends the same way say, a TCG creates their banlist, is worse than a format where the banlist is extremely arbitrary based on in-game semantic conditions like legendary versus mythical pokemon.
And yes, I understand what you're implying, but you're doing the same thing by implying that because VGC is the official format it must be the inherently better one.
I have nothing against the idea of smogon they try to balance singles unlike gamefreak which in itself is a noble goal. O do have a problem with how hypocritical they are in their ruilings, like banning shadow tag when the problem was goth and not wobb. Or how they completely went back on their decision to treat megas and base forms as the same Mon at the start of the gen. Their fans are also irritating little cunts who the moment they realize their argument is flawed go into full ad hominem and appeal to authority mode.
>>25097874 The problem with only banning Goth is that people would go after le 200 turn loli instead, which is still cancerous, despite being less bulky. Still, I agree Wobbuffet didn't deserve to get dragged in, but it's not like that many people used it in OU anyway.
>>25096018 They're doubles because singles is the most limiting format in Pokemon. Honestly, they should be triples. There are moves that have no use in singles while being great in doubles and triples, while all moves that are usable in singles can also be used in doubles/triples. Also, you're coordinating 2/3 attacks as opposed to one, allowing you to pull off deeper strategies and learn to priortize which Pokemon need to be able to fire off a move.
My problems with smogtards are two; they have a smug sense that their meta game is objectively superior, and they assume that you're playing it regardless of whether or not you agreed to outside of showdown and then flip their shit when you use a Sablswag or sleep more than one of their mons. Bitch, I don't play smogon, why would you assume I do?
I'm sorry that the 1% of smogon players that play on WiFi oppressed u in such a way.
No but seriously dude, serious smogon players dont play on WiFi for the most part, most people doing that are smogon casuals. I'm on showdown a lot and dgaf about what anyone else plays and just do us, hence why we're on showdown in the first place. So to say all smogon players are like that isn't true
>>25098542 Any time I play IRL, I just ask upfront what ruleset they prefer. If they say Smogon "insert tier here" I just bring what's "Smogon Legal." If they don't specify, I just bring whatever. It helps that a lot of pokemon sets are simply "standard" and cross over between metagames relatively smoothly.
Scizzor is a pretty good example of a universal pokemon. What set can a scizzor run that breaks the rules of any of the current "official" or "unofficial" metagames? NB4 double team, because nobody wasting a moveslot on that because it's very inefficient.
>>25098583 I shouldn't have to, it shouldn't be assumed that fan rules are the standard because they're fuckingfan rules. If anything they should ask if I'm down for a smogon fight, which honestlyI have some backup mons ready to accommodate just such people should they ask.
>>25098630 Honestly, if GF would just support 6v6, that would solve a fair chunk of issues. Not all of them of course, but at least people would find a comfort zone to play in, whether that'd be Showdown or Official Cart 6v6.
>>25098322 The difference is that Blaziken was a heavy-offense Pokemon that gets progressively faster while Combusken is just shit for that purpose, Gothitelle's only use was to PP stall you with Trick and Shadow Tag, something Gothorita can also do, despite having less bulk.
>>25098707 Yeah....the meta is singles 6v6, pick 3. And that's fine. I like that meta, but I prefer a true 6v6 battle. I know I can fight random's on the cart that way, but I'd prefer a ranked 6v6 so I can fight players with some semblance of skill. There needs to be a 6v6 matchmaking system in place. Every other battle I have on cart is either me bodying a 12 year old, a fight against all legends and me still winning because the opponent is still shit, or me winning and "communications getting interrupted." It's frustrating. And there's no immediate gratification or no way to simply "hop into a battle" I gotta search one out and hope someone responds. If someone rage-quits showdown, at least it only takes a second to get a new battle, not 5 minutes.
>Bans based on availability fairness >In a game where the the most efficient way to get competitive Pokemon, especially legendaries, is to fucking hack them in. Any serious usage of Hidden Power is definitely hacked.
The official rules are a bad joke that would be ignored at best and insulted at worst if they were just a fan format.
>>25098776 Smogon has a lot of players, but is relatively niche comparedto the rest of the playerbase. The trouble is that if they ARE a smogon player, they assume everyoneelse is. They're hardly the standard, but they think that they are.
The problem is that every Smogonfag ever thinks that everyone should play Pokemon their way, even though their way is objectively cancerous and toxic. There is no such thing as a Smogonfag who isn't self-centered, egotistical, close-minded, elitist and hypocritical. All of them are scum.
>>25098897 ...And your attitude is no better than the way you described the people you criticized. I'm sorry but your argument became invalid as soon as you started to generalize people. It's this attitude coming form both sides of argument that is causing such a split in the first place.
For the love of Christ people, just play your own damn game. If you meet someone who plays differently, and imposes those views on you, just play to their rules and kick their ass in the process, but be humble about it. Don't let it get to you.
>>25098949 We already know that the japanese Pokemon community plays the official metas because official metas are superior to unofficial metas like Smogon's fanfiction metas. Frankly, I hope that one day singles is viewed as a loser's activity in the entire community, forcing Smogon to abandon singles if they want to retain even the slightest amount of respect after all of the arbitrary bannings and the fact that they allowed pedophiles to become mods.
Dayumm son, you must be playing some serious stall to last that long.
Most of my battles are usually 15-about 30 turns. It'll maybe creep into the low 50's or 60's if we end up in an ultra Stall v Stall situation. But that's kind of rare.
Also, yeah hazzards are pretty common. I won't argue that. But hey, free damage is free damage. Also, I don't know where that trope stems from. A lot of my teams don't have a focus on keeping hazzards up.
>>25099001 Eh...I probably am. But hey, at least I'm not salty about it. You guys can keep arguing Smog vs. Standard, and I'll just sit on the sidelines and watch what unfolds.
In the mean time, I'll have teams ready to battle anyone. I have stall teams, hazzard focused teams, Doubles/VGC focused teams, gimmicks, Evasion abusers, Straight offensive damage dealers, Set-up, Anti-Set up, you name it. I'll take you all on, and be ready for ANY ruleset you wish to impose on the battle. Will I win?...Hell, I don't know. It's pokemon. Anything could happen. But I'll be ready, that's for damn sure.
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