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How does a mono ice team deal with Bullet Punch?
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How does a mono ice team deal with Bullet Punch?
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Defensive cloyster probably.
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>>25067290
Bulky Def Rotom F, Will O Wisp and prayer.
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How does a mono bug team deal with everything?
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>>25067290
Take it like a bitch. Or Fake Out.
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>>25067290
I've been having fun with an Ice team myself. Thing is, you'll likely need to have a wild card in there to deal with shit like BPunch Scizor, Lucario, and Blaziken. I use Slowbro, and he doesn't detract from the theme much at all.

Failing that, look into Steel neutral Ice mons, such as Cloyster (giant defense, to probably the way to go), Fridge Rotom, Lapras etc.
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>>25067334
Sweep everything with Volcarona

Armaldo or Crustle or Genesect to handle any Birds who think they're brave
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>>25067290
Cloyster
Dewgong
Lapras
Walrein
Rotom-F

those are all your defensive options
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>>25067290

Run 6 Cryagonal to make it go extra quick :^)
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>>25067589
>Ice
>Defensive Option

Good one
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>>25067589
Avalugg is pretty good too. Monster defense and has recovery.
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>>25067582
>to handle any Birds who think they're brave
heh
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>>25067334
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/monotype-287728325
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>>25067637
>that
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>>25067637
>CM volcarona
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>>25067663
CM and QD
>Haranosaurus: I am a 13 year old don't judge me
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>>25067621
Weakness Policy Avalugg.
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>>25067637
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>>25067615
>Being this dense

You're relying on the other typing to make it neutral, not on Ice, you silly goose.
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Good thing Bullet Punch doesn't really have good killing power, when it is your turn to attack, you can deal heavy damage with Earthquake or a fighting type move, although hidden power won't help you much.
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>>25067703
>Fighting moves against Metagross or Scizor
>Ground moves against Scizor
Ech, Fire is your best bet.
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>>25067703
>Bullet Punch doesn't have good killing power
Except for when it does. ie from Scizor or M-Metagross.
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>>25067682
no
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>>25067707
>>25067741
Then it should have been specified that OP was talking about Bullet Punches from Scizor, Mega Scizor, Metagross, and Mega Metagross. Arceus learns Fire Blast and Flamethrower, and Kyurem can use Fusion Flare. I know people feel like using legendaries is a hollow victory and "no honor", but sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
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>>25067778
>using pure Ice types to check super-effective STAB prioity users
Kyurem and Arceus are going to get fucked up by Bullet Punch regardless. Only way they have a chance is by hitting them on the switch.
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>>25067334
Forretress
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>>25067290
poorly
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You don't

Your best defensive options against BP can in turn do absolutly nothing back. Rotom might be able to Will O Wisp but it's far from a solid option especially with it's shit speed. Cloyster can't do shit if you keep it's heug defence and choose not to Shell Smash.

Against Fighting type Bullet Punchers you're fucked flat out since they'll just shit on you with their own STAB all day until Froslass hits the field...Which they will just use BP on.

Mono Ice got the shit end of the type stick.
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Jynx?
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>>25069435
>Cloyster can't do shit if you keep it's heug defence and choose not to Shell Smash.
White Herb Cloyster is a thing.
Not a very good thing, but is a thing.
Probably necessary in mono Ice.

>>25069845
Do you know what Bullet Punch is?
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>>25067637
>I am a 13 year old don't judge me

so mono bug's only hope are retards?
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>>25067582
Talonflame is banned in monotype anyway.
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>>25069845
252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jynx: 720-848 (265.6 - 312.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jynx: 410-486 (151.2 - 179.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Lucario Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jynx: 369-437 (136.1 - 161.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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>>25070282
Calculate for fully invested defensive Avalugg
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>>25070291
+2 252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Avalugg: 242-288 (61.5 - 73.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Avalugg: 164-194 (41.7 - 49.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Bullet Punch vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Avalugg: 96-114 (24.4 - 29%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252+ Atk Adaptability Mega Lucario Bullet Punch vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Avalugg: 212-252 (53.9 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
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252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Avalugg: 210-248 (53.4 - 63.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Adaptability Mega Lucario Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Avalugg: 288-340 (73.2 - 86.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
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>>25070303
So Avalugg could handle it.

Could Avalugg smack back with an Earthquake?
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>>25070317
Of course not
Especially since you're running 8 Attack EVs

I'm fairly sure you can't even ohko regular Lucario unless it uses CC first
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I can't speak for mono-ice, but I played mono-poison in gen 5. The key to dealing with shit like that is to just eliminate the Pokemon doing it before it sweeps your team. I used TrickScarf Gengar with Destiny Bond and slapped Mirror Coat onto Tentacruel (it was bulky enough to just barely tank a hit from most special attacks).

If I were running mono-ice, I'd probably run a sashed Weavile with Counter and make damn sure to keep rocks off the field until the Bullet Punch user was gone.
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>>25070303
>>252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Avalugg: 164-194 (41.7 - 49.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

God fucking damn it. You can't even Recover stall this shit.
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>mono ice
Lol
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Honestly Prio attacks like Bullet and Mach should probably be banned from Monotype tier at least.

Sucker Punch can stay since it's fairly exploitable.
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>>25067290
With a bulletproof vest.
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>>25067334
>everything
Nigger, bug has some excellent fucking options, despite still having problems
Think outside the box, dedicate mon to destroying a huge threat, like final gambit Accelgor, or Coba Berry Volc with a rock move to kill audacious avian

While it may not be the type that can win games just by having a good type, it has excellent options
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The way it deals with everything else; by staying alive long enough to use hail, drop speed, and maybe hazards
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>>25070282
What
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Bulky Ice/Fire with Magic Guard when?
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>>25071019
>Speed drops mattering against +1 priority
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>>25071212
not the picture I meant to post but ok.
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>>25071099
Volcanian right?
>>25071212
So what Sucker Punch and king's rock?
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Is it bad Me First is my favorite move?
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>>25067637

>Weedle
>Bug team

10/10 taste
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have you considered not running a mono-ice team
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>>25071222
>Volcanian

?
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>>25069845

That's not going to stop burrito punch, but it could make a good Cloyster partner. It hates bulky Water types, and most of them can't touch Jynx.
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>>25069845
>not sash Lovely kiss NP
Have fun being burritod to oblivion
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>>25071281
Volcanion!
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>>25071278
Are there even pure ice types?
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>>25071388
Cryogonal
Glalie
Glaceon
Vanille
Regice
Beartic
Avalugg

More than enough for a team
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>>25071402
>literally all are shit
it's not fair
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Why did they even make bullet punch? Aqua jet is the only other elemental priority I can think of
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>>25071422
Mach Punch, Shadow Sneak, Sucker Punch, Vacuum Wave, Water Shuriken
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>>25071422
lol
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>>25067290
It doesnt? If you're playing mono then you're accepting the fact that you're going to lose some things
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>mach punch is a really fast punch
>fighting type
>bullet punch is a really fast punch
>steel type
>literally the same move but received a type change because of a play on words
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>>25067637
God fucking damn, that's embarrassing.
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>>25071625
Don't forget brave bird :^)
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Whats are ice types strengths & weaknesses?? I know their weak to fighting,steel & fire and their strong to grass & water if they use flash-freeze or was it sheer cold...but thats just it im ultra casual so i dont know.
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HP Fire Walrein creams Scizor. It's a pretty darn good mon to have on monoIce teams, skullfucks Fire types thanks to Water STAB and Thick Fat.
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>>25071378
>not ice/fire
>doesn't have magic guard
No, not volcanion
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>>25074943
>Base 95 special attack that will likely have minimal investment as everything will go to HP and Def just to take BP

Does a non invested, non STAB HP fire really take scizor?
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>>25075969
You might as well use Scald to achieve an equally effective result without wasting a moveslot, and Scizor can just use Superpower or +2 attacks to take down something without recovery.
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>>25067637
>don't judge me
>but i am
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>>25067334
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/monotype-277039176 Bug is love , bug is life
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>>25067637
Damn that's brutal.
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>>25071405
>Cryogonal
>Glalie
>Glaceon
>shit
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>>25081599
Literally all are. I mean, I love Glaceon but you can't deny that it's garbage.
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>>25081620
How are you contradicting yourself
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>>25081620
>STAB Blizzard coming off of base 130 Sp Atk in doubles
Take it from somebody with experience using it, it wrecks shit dead. Not quite as useful in singles though.
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