What tiers would they all be if they had a useless-but-not-detrimental

>>25063581
Slaking: BL
Regigigas: OU
Archeops: BL

>>25063581
OU, Ubers, BL

>>25063581

my regi build makes slow start not matter

>>25063581
OU
BL
UU

Nah, the most sensical ones would be
>Vital Spirit
>Clear Body
>Keen Eye

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>>25063593
>Slaking: BL
Underage please leave

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>>25063617
>clear body for a pokemon with moss growing all over it

>>25063630
>clear body for a pokemon made entirely out of rock
>clear body for a pokemon made of solid steel
The only "clear" regi is regice senpai

>>25063665
Clear and Clean can have similar meanings. Regirock and Registeel are nice, clean and clear of any filth; just like Metagross.

Regigigas is dirty. It's the complete opposite of clear.

>>25063581
Slaking and Regigigas are both basically megas without item restrictions/a used up mega slot. They'd both probably be OU, though Regigigas has a garbage movepool and might get booted down to BL because of slaking's better utility overall.
Arch gets sent to UU.

>>25063673
>clear and clean mean the same thing
no
piss is clear, go drink some if you think it's clean too
>inb4 merely pretending

>>25063704
You can CLEAR a table which means taking everything off the top of it. It doesn't suddenly become see-through.

Slaking has a higher base stat total than groudon...

>>25063719
Clear is a verb, in this case, not an adjective. If I said the table was "cleared" then that would describe it being clean. If I said it was "clear" then it would be transparent.

>>25063759
The table in now CLEAR of any objects

>>25063746
It doesn't.

>>25063779
cleared of any objects*

>>25063617
>vital spirit for a pokemon that spends the entire day being a useless fuck

>>25063794
What?

Why would you post in this thread if you have nothing relevant to say?

This is a pokémon thread on a pokémon board and I do not appreciate your off topic posting.

>>25063814
I posted it in the wrong thread, sorry for triggering you, friend~

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>>25063787

>>25063832
well stop being a retard and kill yourself

>>25063849
Only when you stop asking me to~

>>25063581
Slaking: OU or Uber, not sure.
Regigigas: OU.
Archeops: RU.

>>25063881
>Archeops: RU

no

>>25063787
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>>25063759
You're seriously retarded

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>>25063887
?

>>25063794
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>>25063881
Thanks for being a cancerous idiot, tripfag.

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>>25063581

Better idea; GF should introduce an item that negates the ability of the Pokemon holding it. Would make Slaking, Regigas, etc usable without breaking them.

>>25063909
So their ability would do nothing while they hold an item that also does nothing.

Does not sound like fun gamedesign to me.

>>25063901
archeops with no defeatist would be bl at least

but what would I expect from someone who said that volcarona is a mega lucario counter and that rotom fridge is better than regular rotom

>>25063881
>Slaking
>Uber

literally a worse Arceus
you're shit, tripfag

Arch would be UU or over

>>25063902
You're welcome.
I know you need me, and that's why I'm here.

>>25063909
That's an okay idea.

>>25063917
Well anon, if your best argument is "you're a stupid tripfag" then I guess I've won in spirit

Oh and in case anyone cares, I said Rotom-Fridge wasn't the worst Rotom.
And it isn't.

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>>25063925
which rotom is worse then? after all fridge rotom is the only one that's pu.

and my best argument is that archeops with no defeatist would be top tier uu at least and you have to be retarted to think that it would only be ru

>>25063922
I'd point out that Deoxys-Normal is literally a worse Deoxys-Attack and it's still Ubers and Ubers is a banlist first and a tier second but what's the point of arguing with you?

Swirlix is a Fairy-type.
And you'd be forced to say that Swirlix isn't a Fairy-type because of these letters after my name, haha.

>>25063954
It's tied with Fan for worst Rotom.

Why would Archeops minus defeatist be top tier UU? You're almost there, anon.

Alternately, how would you patch their abilities to make them less shitty?

>Truant: Now recovers HP every turn it does nothing

>Slow Start: Start at -2 Attack and Speed, gain +1 every turn.

>Defeatist: I don't think you can fix this one

>>25063970
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-nu-viability-rankings.3555650/

>fan: a- rank
>fridge: c- rank

and why would archeops minus defeatist only be ru?

archeops is basically staraptor who is bl but faster, stronger and can go mixed

>>25063987
Better idea for Slow Start:

>start the first 5 turns with attack and speed halved
>after 5 turns have elapsed, +6 attack, +6 speed

>>25063837
You're still implying that clear body infers that the pokemon is "clean", when you have several pokemon that learn it that are obviously transparent, like the tentacool line, carbink, and regice.
There are also multiple other "Clean" pokemon that don't learn it.
For consistency's sake, I'm arguing that regigigas could get it because the other regis also get it, as at least one of them doesn't fit either definition for "clear".
Though clear does also mean "free from blemishes", which applies to everyone that gets it that isn't transparent except carbink and regirock. I'm just arguing that regigigas is at least as "clear" as regirock, so saying that he couldn't get the ability because of his moss is a bad argument.

>>25063987
Everybody always wants slow start to futz with stat boosts. I say just make it not reset when you switch out.

>>25064011
nah too broken

better idea

> Start with Attack and Speed halved, but Defense is +6. After 5 turns all stats go to normal levels

>>25064011
Regigas already has plenty of attack and speed, +6 is overkill. The main problem is that it just can't stall well enough to actually use it.

Let it actually learn Protect, or shorten the length of time Slow Start's debuff lasts

>>25064011
literally: fuck stall - the pokemon

>>25064030
It's hardly broken because you need a full 5 turns. It's still very viable to take it down in the current OU meta.

Having it's defense lower once he starts up is retarded.

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>>25064002
Anon, I know you're gonna hate me for saying this but there's more to competitive pokemon than just Smogon.
Yes, Fan is better than Fridge in the current NU meta, but what does that prove?

>>25064002
But Archeops doesn't have a strong Flying STAB or high BP moves (+Reckless) that Staraptor's known for.

I dunno, maybe it'd be UU. Thanks for convincing me, anon. inb4

>>25064043
It isn't hard to last five turns. In fact in my experience it take more effort to NOT last five turn or more.

>>25063849
>>25063887
>>25063902
>>25063917
>>25063922
>>25063954
>>25064002


come on guys, you know better than replying to him for fucks sake.

>>25064057
no

>>25064065
10/10 argument

>>25064050
>but what does that prove
that it's a better pokemon

that's literally what it proves

>>25064011
Just lower the amount of turns needed from 5 to 2 or 3. Gigas doesn't have protect, has a pretty garbage movepool options, and can't boost its offenses either. Keeping it in for 2 or 3 turns means it basically ends up like a shittier setup sweeper.

>>25064062
You're replying to me by proxy, fanboy~

>>25064080
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ubers-viability-ranking-thread-last-updated-post-773-b-c-discussion-continues.3535106/
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ou-viability-ranking-thread-v4-see-post-628-page-26.3553516/

Do you really think Klefki's better than Mewtwo but worse than Rotom-W?

>>25063987

>Truant lets the pokemon use status moves on the turn it is loafing, ex. slack off or taunt
>Slow start takes 2 turns to have the changes wear off
>Defeatist activates below 20% health instead of 50% health (it has shit defenses anyway, if it's down below 20% health it's just a sash set that dies next turn either way)
What tier are they now?

>>25064070
alright ill bite. whats your regigigas set then?

>>25064057
That's fucking retarded. The OU meta is crowded with hyper offensive teams and Regigigas doesn't even get Protect. It gets gimped so easily unless you've set yourself up extremely well.

>Slaking
Ubers
>Regigigas
OU
>Archeops
OU, then drop to BL

Would Slacking be uber if it got Thick Fat?

>>25063925

Kill yourself tripfag.

>>25064057
>>25064070
Ha not replying to challenge statements. Faggot probably hasn't even used Gigas.

Have any of you ever tried to run a Doubles team with Slacking and any pokemon with Skill Swap?
I was thinking about this idea, and discovered that Kekleon learns Skill Swap.
How broken is a Protean Slaking?

>>25064057
I know this is some low-quality b8, but gigas is setup bait. It doesn't hit hard (at first), doesn't have any reliable recovery, doesn't have protect, and has little incentive to use status moves if you want it to function as an offensive pokemon. 5 turns is an eternity to keep one pokemon in.

>>25063673
>regirock is clean
it's made of fucking unpolished rocks

>>25063581
>Smogon
Kill yourself

>>25063915
You can Knock Off or Trick an item.

>>25064149
It would be top tier OU for sure

>>25063987
Truant: User can use only laziness/sleep/rest related moves every other turn (slack off, rest, sleep talk, yawn, bulk up, amnesia, etc)

>>25063915
It'd be a great trick item, though the choice items are still better for the most part.
since regigigas has lowered stats from its ability when it switches in, how would negating its ability help with this?

>>25064149
what about fur coat

>>25064115
Slaking - easily predictable. Maybe RU.
Regigigas - usable. No much better than RU though.
Archeops - UU, maybe even BL

>>25064243
pretty ebin gimmick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsfvtKvRCUU

>>25064243
There's a priority move or mon to shut protean slaking down in one turn no matter what it uses. Pretty weird

>>25063954
Why are you stupid enough to keep addressing him tho

>>25064421
>easily predictable
>Maybe
Fucking contradictions

>>25064421
RU for slaking? I figured its biggest problem was the fact that it gave up a turn to become setup bait. If you gave it something like yawn or taunt to keep pokemon from setting up, it could be a decently functional wallbreaker in UU maybe.

>>25063581
I'll say they all get Friend Guard, since that does nothing in singles, and I could see all 3 of them, especially Regigigas, being seen as leader types that would protect their allies.

>Slaking with Friend Guard
Godly movepool with usable special attack. Physical bulk is impressive, but SpD leaves something to be desired. 100 speed is merely "okay" in OU's fast paced metagame. Poor boosting options Would be a mixed or physical wallbreaker, mostly focusing on huge Return/Frustraion and Fire Blast/Flamethrower for all those damn Ferrothorns and Skarmories. Hard to switch in on. Would be S Rank in OU easily. Might get pushed to Ubers if there's some broken shit I'm not noticing. Checked by Latias and other fast special attackers. Gengar can hard counter it with a little prediction since it outspeeds and can OHKO with Focus Blast, you just need to switch in on a predicted Return/Frustration.

>Regigigas with Friend Guard.
Amazing bulk but no recovery outside of Drain Punch. Can't easily go mixed like Slaking can, but you get Rock Polish at 100 Base speed, outspeeding Landorus. Landorus still checks it, though, because of Intimidate. Typical set could be Rock Polish, Return/Frustration, Thunder Punch/ Ice Punch, Knock Off/Drain Punch. Really, really good, but probably not broken since the usual physical walls like Skarm and Hippowdon can still wall it. Would be A-Rank in OU.

>Archeops with Friend Guard
Shit bulk, but has awesome attack and speed. Very vulnerable to Priority moves like Bullet Punch and Mach Punch, so it might not do so great in OU. Coverage is decent, but it doesn't learn Brave Bird. I could see Choice Band sets being a thing, as well as Substitute-Sitrus berry sets aiming to get strong Acrobatics going. Really, though, it's reminds me of a Hawlucha with more Attack, but no access to Swords Dance. Would probably be stuck in BL with Hawlucha.

Regigigas gets Klutz

What tier?

>>25064616
UU
>shit movepool
>good bulk but no recovery
>basically a mega with shit movepool
it'd still pretty much be shit

>>25064616
BL at minimum. 160 attack and 110/110/110 bulk is pretty damn good. Has great coverage too.

>>25064628
>Shit movepool
Since when is elemental punches, Knock Off, Stone Edge, Earthquake, and Rock Polish shit? It's not like it NEEDS to boost any stats other than speed.

>>25064654
It pretty much has to run a set with return, rock polish, and coverage to do anything. But outside of 4x SE hits, unboosted elemental punches hit the same as return. Normal is a garbage offensive typing, but if he doesn't run return for damage, he doesn't hit as hard as you'd like.
Not to mention he's huge status bait without sub.

>>25063909
This for sure. Would be a deathblow to Trick onto, maybe make the ability Fling-able too. It would be the equivalent to a Mega Stone to these guys.

>>25064421
lol no
it's insta OU for slaking, sorry

>>25063581
>Uber
>Uber
>OU

>>25065304
Sorry
>OU/Uber
>OU
>OU/BL

>>25063581
>>25063581

Slaking would be OU. He has the speed, bulk and movepool to complement his massive attack.

Regigigas might be BL, because even though it's tankier than Slakink overall, the lack of reliable recovery and lack of stall moves would prevent it from being OU, but it has way too good of a support movepool to be anything below OU.

Archeops would be OU as well. Yes, it's fragile as thinice but it's fast, has great offensive stab and great attack power.

>>25063617
Knowing GameFreak they would give Slaking Stall.. because "its lazy"

>>25064769
Return/Crush Grip
Knock Off
Earthquake/Heavy Slam
Rest/Drain Punch

People forget that Regigigas's Heavy Slam hits just about everything weak to steel with 120 base power.

>>25063581
Slaking: Uber
Regigigas: OU
Archeops: OU

>>25064496
Slaking does get Yawn.

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>>25063909
So would Klutz negate the item or would the item negate Klutz?

>>25063581
Slaking: Stall

Regigigas: Grass Pelt

Archeops: Anticipation

There fixed

>>25063611
what build is it?

Slaking-normalize

>>25064108
I don't even play smogon, I'm simply pointing out your flawed logic.
>Do you really think Klefki's better than Mewtwo but worse than Rotom-W?
You can't think of it as mewtwo vs klefki one on one or by BST when you're discussing the meta. It's role is completely different from mewtwo or rotom, and for what it's meant to do compared to what they're meant to do while also factoring in support needed, success in said role, how many roles it can fill, basically what smogon points out above the viability rankings. Mega mewtwo has a higher BST than mega fug, but it's not in AG or even S rank uber. But if used right, fucking golduck can beat mega fug. Its not 'X pokemon vs X pokemon', it's 'with what's prominent in the meta, how good is this pokemon at filling it's role compared to others that potentially fill said role AND what it will have to deal with?'

As for the base argument, rotom frost is the worst rotom form regardless of smogon rankings, there's a reason literally everyone but you agrees with that.

>>25065699
Just give up, Dubs-Man. You and I both know that he won't.

>>25065699
Dude just filter him, most people on this board already have

>>25063686
>Regigigas has a garbage movepool
>Return
>Drain Punch
>Earthquake
>Element Punches
>Stone Edge
>Thunder Wave
What more do you want as far as offense goes? The only problem with its movepool is lack of Protect and Rest.

Early bird Archeops be funny
But hes stuck with Acrobatics or Sky attack as its best stab

Guts for Slaking

But
UU for slaking and Gigas
BL for archeope it is bird lair after all