What tiers would they all be if they had a useless-but-not-detrimental ability, like say keen eye?
>clear body for a pokemon with moss growing all over it
Clear and Clean can have similar meanings. Regirock and Registeel are nice, clean and clear of any filth; just like Metagross.
Regigigas is dirty. It's the complete opposite of clear.
Slaking and Regigigas are both basically megas without item restrictions/a used up mega slot. They'd both probably be OU, though Regigigas has a garbage movepool and might get booted down to BL because of slaking's better utility overall.
Arch gets sent to UU.
Clear is a verb, in this case, not an adjective. If I said the table was "cleared" then that would describe it being clean. If I said it was "clear" then it would be transparent.
Better idea; GF should introduce an item that negates the ability of the Pokemon holding it. Would make Slaking, Regigas, etc usable without breaking them.
archeops with no defeatist would be bl at least
but what would I expect from someone who said that volcarona is a mega lucario counter and that rotom fridge is better than regular rotom
I know you need me, and that's why I'm here.
That's an okay idea.
Well anon, if your best argument is "you're a stupid tripfag" then I guess I've won
in spirit Oh and in case anyone cares, I said Rotom-Fridge wasn't the worst Rotom. And it isn't.
which rotom is worse then? after all fridge rotom is the only one that's pu.
and my best argument is that archeops with no defeatist would be top tier uu at least and you have to be retarted to think that it would only be ru
I'd point out that Deoxys-Normal is literally a worse Deoxys-Attack and it's still Ubers and Ubers is a banlist first and a tier second but what's the point of arguing with you?
Swirlix is a Fairy-type.
And you'd be forced to say that Swirlix isn't a Fairy-type because of these letters after my name, haha.
It's tied with Fan for worst Rotom.
Why would Archeops minus defeatist be top tier UU? You're almost there, anon.
Alternately, how would you patch their abilities to make them less shitty?
>Truant: Now recovers HP every turn it does nothing
>Slow Start: Start at -2 Attack and Speed, gain +1 every turn.
>Defeatist: I don't think you can fix this one
>fan: a- rank
>fridge: c- rank
and why would archeops minus defeatist only be ru?
archeops is basically staraptor who is bl but faster, stronger and can go mixed
You're still implying that clear body infers that the pokemon is "clean", when you have several pokemon that learn it that are obviously transparent, like the tentacool line, carbink, and regice.
There are also multiple other "Clean" pokemon that don't learn it.
For consistency's sake, I'm arguing that regigigas could get it because the other regis also get it, as at least one of them doesn't fit either definition for "clear".
Though clear does also mean "free from blemishes", which applies to everyone that gets it that isn't transparent except carbink and regirock. I'm just arguing that regigigas is at least as "clear" as regirock, so saying that he couldn't get the ability because of his moss is a bad argument.
Regigas already has plenty of attack and speed, +6 is overkill. The main problem is that it just can't stall well enough to actually use it.
Let it actually learn Protect, or shorten the length of time Slow Start's debuff lasts
Anon, I know you're gonna hate me for saying this but
there's more to competitive pokemon than just Smogon. Yes, Fan is better than Fridge in the current NU meta, but what does that prove?
But Archeops doesn't have a strong Flying STAB or high BP moves (+Reckless) that Staraptor's known for.
I dunno, maybe it'd be UU. Thanks for convincing me, anon. inb4
Just lower the amount of turns needed from 5 to 2 or 3. Gigas doesn't have protect, has a pretty garbage movepool options, and can't boost its offenses either. Keeping it in for 2 or 3 turns means it basically ends up like a shittier setup sweeper.
You're replying to me by proxy, fanboy~
Do you really think Klefki's better than Mewtwo but worse than Rotom-W?
>Truant lets the pokemon use status moves on the turn it is loafing, ex. slack off or taunt
>Slow start takes 2 turns to have the changes wear off
>Defeatist activates below 20% health instead of 50% health (it has shit defenses anyway, if it's down below 20% health it's just a sash set that dies next turn either way)
What tier are they now?
That's fucking retarded. The OU meta is crowded with hyper offensive teams and Regigigas doesn't even get Protect. It gets gimped so easily unless you've set yourself up extremely well.
Have any of you ever tried to run a Doubles team with Slacking and any pokemon with Skill Swap?
I was thinking about this idea, and discovered that Kekleon learns Skill Swap.
How broken is a Protean Slaking?
I know this is some low-quality b8, but gigas is setup bait. It doesn't hit hard (at first), doesn't have any reliable recovery, doesn't have protect, and has little incentive to use status moves if you want it to function as an offensive pokemon. 5 turns is an eternity to keep one pokemon in.
It'd be a great trick item, though the choice items are still better for the most part.
since regigigas has lowered stats from its ability when it switches in, how would negating its ability help with this?
RU for slaking? I figured its biggest problem was the fact that it gave up a turn to become setup bait. If you gave it something like yawn or taunt to keep pokemon from setting up, it could be a decently functional wallbreaker in UU maybe.
I'll say they all get Friend Guard, since that does nothing in singles, and I could see all 3 of them, especially Regigigas, being seen as leader types that would protect their allies.
>Slaking with Friend Guard
Godly movepool with usable special attack. Physical bulk is impressive, but SpD leaves something to be desired. 100 speed is merely "okay" in OU's fast paced metagame. Poor boosting options Would be a mixed or physical wallbreaker, mostly focusing on huge Return/Frustraion and Fire Blast/Flamethrower for all those damn Ferrothorns and Skarmories. Hard to switch in on. Would be S Rank in OU easily. Might get pushed to Ubers if there's some broken shit I'm not noticing. Checked by Latias and other fast special attackers. Gengar can hard counter it with a little prediction since it outspeeds and can OHKO with Focus Blast, you just need to switch in on a predicted Return/Frustration.
>Regigigas with Friend Guard.
Amazing bulk but no recovery outside of Drain Punch. Can't easily go mixed like Slaking can, but you get Rock Polish at 100 Base speed, outspeeding Landorus. Landorus still checks it, though, because of Intimidate. Typical set could be Rock Polish, Return/Frustration, Thunder Punch/ Ice Punch, Knock Off/Drain Punch. Really, really good, but probably not broken since the usual physical walls like Skarm and Hippowdon can still wall it. Would be A-Rank in OU.
>Archeops with Friend Guard
Shit bulk, but has awesome attack and speed. Very vulnerable to Priority moves like Bullet Punch and Mach Punch, so it might not do so great in OU. Coverage is decent, but it doesn't learn Brave Bird. I could see Choice Band sets being a thing, as well as Substitute-Sitrus berry sets aiming to get strong Acrobatics going. Really, though, it's reminds me of a Hawlucha with more Attack, but no access to Swords Dance. Would probably be stuck in BL with Hawlucha.
It pretty much has to run a set with return, rock polish, and coverage to do anything. But outside of 4x SE hits, unboosted elemental punches hit the same as return. Normal is a garbage offensive typing, but if he doesn't run return for damage, he doesn't hit as hard as you'd like.
Not to mention he's huge status bait without sub.
Slaking would be OU. He has the speed, bulk and movepool to complement his massive attack.
Regigigas might be BL, because even though it's tankier than Slakink overall, the lack of reliable recovery and lack of stall moves would prevent it from being OU, but it has way too good of a support movepool to be anything below OU.
Archeops would be OU as well. Yes, it's fragile as thinice but it's fast, has great offensive stab and great attack power.
So would Klutz negate the item or would the item negate Klutz?
I don't even play smogon, I'm simply pointing out your flawed logic.
>Do you really think Klefki's better than Mewtwo but worse than Rotom-W?
You can't think of it as mewtwo vs klefki one on one or by BST when you're discussing the meta. It's role is completely different from mewtwo or rotom, and for what it's meant to do compared to what they're meant to do while also factoring in support needed, success in said role, how many roles it can fill, basically what smogon points out above the viability rankings. Mega mewtwo has a higher BST than mega fug, but it's not in AG or even S rank uber. But if used right, fucking golduck can beat mega fug. Its not 'X pokemon vs X pokemon', it's 'with what's prominent in the meta, how good is this pokemon at filling it's role compared to others that potentially fill said role AND what it will have to deal with?'
As for the base argument, rotom frost is the worst rotom form regardless of smogon rankings, there's a reason literally everyone but you agrees with that.
>Regigigas has a garbage movepool
What more do you want as far as offense goes? The only problem with its movepool is lack of Protect and Rest.