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How would you fags feel about something like this? Pokemon evolution

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How would you fags feel about something like this? Pokemon evolution becomes more akin to Digimon.

Lore-wise for example, a Cyndaquil might evolve into a Furret depending on its life experiences or its environment, like if food was plentiful and it lived in a calm forest, but if food was scarce or opponents or environment harsher, it would evolve into Quilava or Luxio or Monferno who could then evolve into even stronger forms.

In-game, Pokemon could evolve based on what kind of Pokemon they fight, they get points akin to EVs and whichever they have the most points towards, they'll evolve into that.

Another option could be upon level-up you get points and you can add them to a particular "trait" like vocations in other RPGs. For example, a Pokemon would have however many traits, lets say 5 traits, Strength, Agility, Intelligence, etc. and based on how many points you put into what category would generate one of many possible evolution lines.

Pic related is just me spitballing just to give an example of what it might be like. I thought that having unconventional evolutions would make it more interesting, like Gabite evolving into Metagross, the way Digimon do (Biyomon Digivolving into Birdramon, but also being able to Digivolve into Woodmon, etc.).

I'm dreading Gen VII and think if the franchise was gutted and picked up by another company something like this could be really good and have the makings of making an actually good Pokemon game.

Thoughts?
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>>25052490
No.
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>>25052500
I cannot see any negatives here. All it would do is make the games more interesting at the very least.

Every Pokemon would still have their original evolution lines, but they could potentially become others as well depending on what your team needs at the time.

The games being more challenging would make this mechanic fucking great, allowing you to adjust your team as you go along, rather than having to dump a Pokemon and switch to another.

Not that that's necessarily bad, but.
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>>25052490
>Biyomon can digivolve to Woodmon
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>>25052512
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>>25052490
What the hell is Ariados doing in there? Why the hell would Treeko turn into a spider?

This might be fun for, like, 1 or 2 evolutions, as long it's self contained. Kinda like if Poliwhirl could turn into Poliwrath or Politoed, but Croagunk could also turn into Politoed. But I wouldn't want the whole series to be like that. And like I said, try ot keep it in 1 or 2 lines so it doesn't become a headache inducing clusterfuck like OP's picture.
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Though it'll never happen, it would definitely make evolution as a mechanic much more interesting.
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>>25052490
No. Digimon is fucking awful, especially its evolution mechanics.
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>>25052490
Digimon makes no sense, even to autistic kids cartoon level. Fuck off.
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>>25052516
>Only discard 1 card to turn a bird into a tree stump.
>Have to discard 2 cards to turn a flower or a Mushroom into a tree stump, things that are ACTUALLY PLANTS

Digimon is retarded. Their evolutionary lines make no damn sense. Pokémon has a few retarded ones too, but still...
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>>25052490
I think its stupid, and i think you are stupid for posting it.
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>>25052522
The reason I made it a "clusterfuck" is to have more unconventional lines, like Ariados. The entire premisce might be moot if Treecko could only evolve into Grass-type reptilian Pokemon, know what I'm gettin' at senpai?

Not just that, but it would really bring Pokemon up to the level of actually good RPGs via "vocations"

But rather than choosing to be a mage, knight, rogue, warrior, fighter, etc. you would become alternate Pokemon instead based on point allocation.

>>25052553
no u
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>>25052525
fuck

>>25052534
off

thanks for the bump though
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>>25052537
True but keep in mind its data
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>>25052537
Mushrooms aren't plants.
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No, this doesn't work for Pokemon. Let the two series be their own entities, and let us like one, the other, or both, but don't pull this shit on us.
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I don't even get digimon evolution

I think pokemon evolution has always been easy to understand
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>>25052516
>The Digimon card game
>This is the only thing that says Biyomon can digivolve into Woodmon
>Nowhere else is this possible

Digimon has some weird evos, but Biyomon to Woodmon isn't one of them
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>>25052593
What the fuck ever, I just threw this out as an example.

How about Agumon becoming either Tyrannomon or Greymon? Same thing.
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>>25052599
You could use Biyomon digivolving to Airdramon, which is a weird Chinese dragon thing
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>>25052587
My grocery store puts them with the vegetables, so they're vegetables. I give no fucks about biology or science or whatever. They're vegetables to me.
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Another thing that would be interesting about this is it would be more akin to actual evolution. The Pokemon lore-wise would evolve into whatever based on their environment, but in-game, they would evolve via point system which would be similar to selective breeding with humans acting as "natural" selection by giving the Pokemon certain traits as it grows that will give it certain forms.

>>25052590
Right. For babbies.
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>>25052490
I think it'd be really cool to make a romhack that implements Digimon-style evolutions. Gonna add it to my list of future projects.

I made some Digimon/Pokemon evolution sheets a few years ago so I guess I'll post them for relevance.
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>>25052610
>Airdramon
hnnng

I wish those obscure Digimon cards weren't so fucking rare. I'd love to get my hands on a Flarerizamon as well.
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>>25052616

KISS

Keep It Simple Stupid
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>>25052620
I like those.

>Ultimate AFTER Perfect
fuck the nip version, Champion > Ultimate > Mega is better
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>>25052620
Looks like this is the only other one I had finished. I have much bigger Beast and Dragon sets that are almost done, maybe I'll finally finish & post them
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>>25052641
i.e. keep it boring
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>>25052490
Ultimately I think that the method we have currently is best for Pokemon, as it's better at setting up a world, and from a game mechanic point of view, more consistent.

That being said, it's still interesting as fuck. It's not gonna happen, but I wouldnt care if it did. I love to see these fan made trees, too. Post moar pls.
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>>25052659
I don't have anymore, I just made this one mostly arbitrarily just for the OP to generate discussion. Other anon's shit looks interesting though.
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Digimon card game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pokemon card game
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>>25052490
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>>25052490
how the fuck does treecko turn into metagross or ariados?
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>>25052701

see: >>25052516

Just trying to mix it up, senpai.
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>>25052695
>memegenerator
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>>25052712
I just googled it man.
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actually we had a thread on this a couple of years ago
here's the one i made back then
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>>25052722
>>25052725
moar
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>>25052731
>genies and elemental monkeys
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>>25052745
>3 tortoises
>1 orca
these ones are getting stupider by the minute
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>>25052740
i didn't make it, just posting what i saved ages ago
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>>25052749
kek
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>>25052490
or you know... like real life?
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>>25052772
wut
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>>25052752
just commenting, not calling you a faggot, faggot, post more
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>>25052797
that's all i have
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>>25052804
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>>25052794
it's basic knowledge. a species or breed of animal will either adapt to changes in its environment or die out, rules of nature and since game freak survives on an abundance of species we see Pokemon that can be similar to others
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>>25052647
but ultimate literally means "last" why would ultimate not be the last form?
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>>25052849
fuck you
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>>25052655
Looks like I had high ambitions for this one, but I'm just gonna post what I've got
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>>25052915
>using shinies as alternate 'dark' forms
mm yeah
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This is a terrible idea.
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>>25052965
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this would be dreadful
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>>25052490
>Lizard becomes a spider
>Lizard becomes a cactus
>Lizard becomes a psychic robot spider
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>>25052998

see: >>25052706
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>>25052522
>combusken evolves into gallade
>blaziken evolves into haxorus or crobat

OP you are beyond retarded even if this was supposed to mimic Digimon's style
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>>25053003
>blaziken evolves into haxorus or crobat
no no, I see how that's slightly confusing though, Staravia evolves into either Blaziken, Staraptor, Haxorus or Crobat

all the lines end in final forms, there's no forms other than 3: basic, stage 1, stage 2
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>>25052992
GIMMIE A REASON
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OP accept that your idea is shit and delete this thread to keep the board clean please
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>>25053167
Kill yourself. This board is literally /mlp/ without a game to talk about. I'm trying to break up the monotony of only discussing Pokefucking.
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>>25053167
>>>/trash/
A place for your kind exists, anon
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>>25052490
>How would you fags feel about something like this? Pokemon evolution becomes more akin to Digimon.
If you mean "different evolution paths" there already are.

If you mean "make the franchise's overall lore an inconsistent mess" then no.

The evolution is a great concept in Digimon, but its so awfully executed I doubt GF will also make it right(then again, Gen 6 is the best modern digimon game).

>and have the makings of making an actually good Pokemon game.
There already are.
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>>25052590
>I don't even get digimon evolution
Because they change the rules and evolution levels on each instance of the franchise.
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>>25053467
>gen 6 good
>any Pokemon games good
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>>25052490
>>25052509
Literally just play digimon if you want this
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>>25053498
Gen 6 was dissapointing but not bad. And, again, is closer to digimon's original idea than any modern digimon game.

>any Pokemon games good
Why are you even here then? They are good games, or at least better than Digimon, which has Rumbler Arena....and Rumble Arena.
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>>25053533
>Why are you even here then?
IF YOU HAVE TO ASK YOU DON'T BELONG HERE.

GET OUT.

I LOVE POKEMON (the creatures) SO MUCH. BUT EVERY GAME BASED AROUND THEM IS LITERALLY A SMARTPHONE CLICK TO WIN GAME OR A BATTLE SIM.

FUCK.

YOU.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Also, what is Digimon World 3?
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>>25053546
>I LOVE POKEMON (the creatures) SO MUCH. BUT EVERY GAME BASED AROUND THEM IS LITERALLY A SMARTPHONE CLICK TO WIN GAME OR A BATTLE SIM.
Not even close. Its a game for kids you retard, if you really dont get that the one who doesnt belong here is you.


>Also, what is Digimon World 3?
shit. Like all DW which are either shitty rpgs or pokemon clones.
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>>25052612
>I'm wrong, and I don't give a shit about your evidence, but I'm right
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>>25052490

Stupid in Digimon and even dumber here. These are organic creatures, not data.
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>>25052490
It'd be kind of cool, but no. Digimon are literally just packets of data that (as far as I know) can shape into anything they want. In contrast, Pokémon are "real" animals that undergo metamorphosis into a stronger, more mature version of the previous form, expanding on its base characteristics. While it'd be novel to see a Treecko randomly turn into an Ariados for literally no reason, it just doesn't fit the logic of the universe.

Autism out.
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>>25053559
>IT'S A KIDS GAME SO IT'S OK IF IT'S AWFUL XDD
every time

It's baffling how some people unironically think any Pokemon mainline games are actually good games.
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>>25053570
>IT'S A KIDS GAME SO IT'S OK IF IT'S AWFUL XDD
>Implied I said that
every single time

>It's baffling how some people unironically think any Pokemon mainline games are actually good games.
Well, they made a fundamentally awful and outdated video game genre actually fun and playable so that's a pretty big feat, why are they bad games according to you?
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>>25053589
>why are they bad games

>too easy
>every game is the same
>NO content and NOTHING to do other than collect mon (and that's made not even fun by HMs, etc.)
>type matchups and battles are irrelevant, all you have to do is click on an attack and win
Like, what's good about it. I could go on and on. You just run around and click A. You don't even have to look at the screen most of the time. Just mash A while watching TV and win the battle.

The only thing I like about the games are Pokemon themselves. I like the games because I get to raise my bros and use them in battle. But it's the absolute worst-case scenario regarding the games' quality. Literally in any other dev's hands Pokemon would be better.

Fucking EA would make Pokemon better, albeit you would have to pay $4.99 real world dollars for in-game items, but.
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>>25053613
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>>25053638
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>>25053653
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>>25053604

>too easy
Its for kids you retard.
>every game is the same
Sort of legitimate complaint, but at least it has an identity unlike Digimon
>NO content and NOTHING to do other than collect mon (and that's made not even fun by HMs, etc.)
Literally the point of the game is collecting mons. It's like accusing Street Fighter for only being about fights. And even then, there's also the fights, contests and other minigames.
>type matchups and battles are irrelevant, all you have to do is click on an attack and win
For ingame, yeah. That's what makes it good, you dont need to be internalized into the system to enjoy it unlike other rpgs.

So, them being the same is your only complaint, which doesnt really mean the games are bad as of themselves, just the franchise.
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>>25053746
So, what I'm getting from you is:
>They're bad, but that's what makes them GOOD :3 XDD
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>>25053758
I didnt mean that in any way but ok, keep on your delusions.
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>>25053837
So what is good about the games again?
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>>25052616
Actual evolution is not lamarck tier.
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>>25052616
Digimon literally turn to crap in some stages. Not even yo-kai is as bad.
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>>25053852
Great designs ( both human and mons)
Comfy OSTs
Manages to make the rpg genre actually playable
Simplistic but satisfactory stories that get better each gen ( except 6)
High replay value
And even at their worst, and without postgame, it never gets exhausted, there's always something else to do. People here complain for no postgame because they dont play other games, but pokemon is a very particular case regarding that. In other games, postgame are just a bunch of extras and that's it.
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>>25053865
>Manages to make the rpg genre actually playable
>Simplistic but satisfactory stories that get better each gen ( except 6)
>High replay value
>And even at their worst, and without postgame, it never gets exhausted, there's always something else to do. People here complain for no postgame because they dont play other games, but pokemon is a very particular case regarding that. In other games, postgame are just a bunch of extras and that's it.
All bullshit. Great designs and OST is right on the money though.
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>>25053870
>All bullshit
great argumentation skills anon
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>>25052490
I never played Digimon. Are the evolutionary trees/paths obvious? Or would you suddenly find out all your hardwork with a specific monster was invalidated because you accidentally leveled up here and not there?
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>>25053865
I resent the notion that RPGs are unplayable if they have depth. RPGs are just hard to do right. Earthbound and Mother 3 makes full use of its mechanics while being quick and to the point. Not every turn based RPG is FF and turn based is not an actual dated format in itself. It honestly bothers me that there people on an /v*/ board that think this unironically.
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>>25053878
>I resent the notion that RPGs are unplayable if they have depth.
If you need to learn some mechanics just to enjoy the game then its not good. Pokemon avoids that by making it optional for battling other players, or post game challenges maybe. But for the main game, you can enjoy it just fine without going into much depth.

>and turn based is not an actual dated format in itself.
KEK, turn based worked when you couldnt simulate actual combat on old consoles, now its just there because people got used to it but it shouldnt.
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>>25053875
>Are the evolutionary trees/paths obvious?
Nah, they arent even fixed. They change depending on the product, and even the levels arent set in stone.

>Or would you suddenly find out all your hardwork with a specific monster was invalidated because you accidentally leveled up here and not there?
That's part of the original concept. In the initial tamagotchis, if you werent good enough, your Agumon may have evolved into Numemon(but if you were good enough you could get ShogunGekomon, which was the strongest).

Digimon then threw its original concept out the window to make pokemon clones, so now it mostly depends on what game are you playing.
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>>25053899
You don't have to learn the mechanics if the devs are competent, it should also be clear what is happening through playing the game.

>someones attack went up
>starts hitting extremely hard

And furthermore

>this revisionism

You have to be a walking straw man or something. RPGs were born as a means to simulate P&P RPGs which are better games overall and bring them to life. It wasn't some temporary solution to hardware limitations. ARPGs have been aroind as long as turn based games. You'd have to be underage not to know any of this.
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>>25053923
>someones attack went up
>starts hitting extremely hard
I wish that was enough.

> RPGs were born as a means to simulate P&P RPGs
In theory, yeah. In practice, not really. Most rpgs have a set plot and a defined set of characters, and at most you can customize the name of your MC and little else, they were their own thing.
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This gamefreak shill is an absolute retard.

>there's literally NOTHING to it! it's barely even a game! that's why it's so good!!! XD, zero immersion! all you have to do is press A! you don't even need to look at the screen! so epic XDD
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>>25053935
>accuses me of having shitty arguments
>while not presenting an argument on his own

And even then, you failed to get what I meant.
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>>25053936
>real RPGs are too hard :(
>Pokemon is great! it's not even really a game! :333
I'm just messing with you at this point because of your facile opinions.
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>>25053945
>real RPGs are too hard :(
Its a dated and boring genre. You think otherwise because you're used to them.

>Pokemon is great! it's not even really a game! :333
Not what I meant

>your facile opinions.
Well, you cant really call them facile given you havent understood them.
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>>25053953
>RPGs are a dated and boring genre.
>likes Pokemon
>probably thinks FPS's are amazing
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>>25053966
good argument
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>>25053933
It is though. Most RPGs are too simple in fact, and become unfun because the rest of its battle system becomes padding. I don't know how Pokemon is somehow simpler to learn in execution. A lot of the depth is optional but learning all the useful moves and types takes about the same time as something like Chrono Trigger.

That's JRPGs, while WRPGs focused on character creation. Old and some newer CRPGs combine both. It's not the format as a thing that is an issue. Once again the Mother series found ways to remove some of the tedious aspects of turn based without gutting it. It's just devs who let it stagnate.

It's dumb to say this in the first place, it would be like saying why play cards when you can play ping pong? They're different kinds of games from the onset, and it's utterly retarded to think a certain kind of game is dated because some nonsense about hardware limitations.

>Chess needs to become live action too now that we can do it, obviously it's a dated format :^) and it's not fun and no one liked it.

That's how dumb it sounds.
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>>25053970
You've been arguing against yourself the entire time.
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>>25053971
>I don't know how Pokemon is somehow simpler to learn in execution
Because you dont need to learn it to win. Learning makes it easier.

>It's dumb to say this in the first place, it would be like saying why play cards when you can play ping pong?
Its possible to play ping pong in real life and I dont play a card game that simulates ping pong.

>it's utterly retarded to think a certain kind of game is dated because some nonsense about hardware limitations.
That's literally what dated means.


>Chess needs to become live action too now that we can do it, obviously it's a dated format :^) and it's not fun and no one liked it.
Well, chess IS dated, but at least they dont shit out tons of new games every year, its just that game. And the point of chess is not so much to simulate a battle between armies, it's a strategy game, like go.

>>25053978
good argument
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>Pokémon = Pocket Monsters
>Digimom = Digital Monsters

>Digital Monsters

>DIGITAL

>DIGITAL
>I
>G
>I
>T
>A
>L
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>>25053988
>Because you dont need to learn it to win.

You do though, at least the typing match ups and the useful moves. Which is about the same time it takes to learn a typical SNES RPG.

>That's literally what dated means.

Well, good thing I pointed out in the first post that it had nothing to do with hardware limitations and that ARPGs have coexisted with turn based RPGs since forever. People made them because they liked their P&P games down to its mechanics. Your taste != everyone's taste

>simulate

You seem to be under the impression that RPGs are just meant to be simulators. That's obviously not the case. Simulators are simulators. RPGs are RPGs. They're some any kind of *game* with elements of roleplaying on top of it but even games like D&D were designed as party games because /tg/ games allow for good roleplaying due to the fact that no one is restricted by code and a machine. Some /v/RPGs (we should be calling those ones RPGlikes) are games made by people who liked the mechanics of those games. People made RPGs because they wanted to play D&D on their computer or bring the story of their campaign to life. Not to simulate something.
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>>25054005
>Digimom

>>25054025
>You do though, at least the typing match ups and the useful moves.
You can win without paying much attention to matchups though.

>People made them because they liked their P&P games down to its mechanics.
mechanics are a way to simulate the setting and plot developments, if you have a better way to do it then use it. You like RPG mechanics? fine, but they arent always the objective best answer(most of the time, they arent).

>You seem to be under the impression that RPGs are just meant to be simulators.
Not simulators as in "train simulators", but yeah, they are to simulate, its in the name, role playing game, you pretend to be on a role.

>due to the fact that no one is restricted by code and a machine.
Exactly my point, rpg mechanics restrict you, you can only attack when its your turn and your skills are solely defined by numbers. That was ok when you couldnt have 3d environments and models, but now you can.

> People made RPGs because they wanted to play D&D on their computer or bring the story of their campaign to life
And failed miserably because those games have a set story, which is literally what P&P RPGs arent about.

>Not to simulate something.
Why do people play rpgs for the story and characters then?
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>>25054043
No, you're wrong.

See? I can also bullshit.
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>>25054052
You're saying:
>Pokemon is good because it's accessible and it being an RPG is basically a dumbed down RPG for babies which you like because you don't like RPGs but like to press the A button.

other guy:
> ...
I don't even know. Just a bunch of nonsense that I'm not even sure what he's arguing for.
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>>25054059
>Pokemon is good because it's accessible and it being an RPG is basically a dumbed down RPG for babies
Pokemon is for kids, so it being accesible for kids is a good thing and it being simpler than other rpgs makes sense.

So yeah, you're wrong, but at least you tried, which is than what I can say about the previous baiter or the OP.
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>>25054068
Being a fucking kid's game doesn't exclude it from being a lazy piece of shit. Here's a way to make it playable to everyone!
>Easy
>Normal
>Hard

Gamefreak are a bunch of worthless, lazy fucking retards. And it's not even the difficulty that's the issue. Other than catching Pokemon, there's no reason to play the game. Pokemon could be the goat franchise of all time, but instead it's a mediocre babby game like Skylanders.
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>>25054091
>Being a fucking kid's game doesn't exclude it from being a lazy piece of shit.
No, sure. Now how about you criticize that aspect instead of "its not like muh edgy teen rpgs"?

I do agree difficulty levels wold be nice though.

>Other than catching Pokemon, there's no reason to play the game.
>Other than winning matches there's no reason to play PES
>Other than the fights there's no reason to play street fighter
>Other than the story, there's no reason to play Ace Attorney

Wow, it's like it's a game about catching pokemon or something!!!!!


Aside from the fact that, you know, catching pokemon is not the only thing about it. Last time I checked, VGC was about battling, not a comparison on who has a more complete pokedex.
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>>25054036
First off let me foreword this that you're mixing up true RPGs and RPGlikes. The latter is built on the first and is definitely not trying to be roleplaying game. Most JRPGs tend to fall into this category, but that's even more in favor of RPG mechanics standing on their own as a type of game people play for fun. Every game restricts you in some kind of way, I don't know why you're not getting the overall point. It's a game-type in itself not a means to accomplish some ultimate simulator.

>because those games have a set story

Right, people's P&P campaign. Pay attention. Some of the earliest RPGs with a set story are literally some programmer's retelling of his D&D campaign with his buddies. People obviously weren't porting D&D 1:1 but made games similar in gameplay and flavor after being inspired by it.

>Exactly my point

It isn't. What I was talking about there was the most important part of a role playing game. Organic, human reaction based role playing which can never be replicated by a machine.

>Why do people play rpgs for the story and characters then?

Enjoyment of one doesn't exclude the other.
Fallout 1 is praised for being a good game and good with the roleplaying aspect. A common problem is this assumption that only the story will do, and developer's new tendency to try to reinvent the wheel (literally in the case of the dialogue wheel) and dumbing down things has always earned them shit by the gaming community and long time fans. This goes for the roleplaying aspect of WRPGs too. It's a cancerous philosophy to remove something instead of making it better.

You also missed the most important thing. RPGs are games first and foremost.

>your skills are solely defined by numbers

If you're fixated on simulations this is important, turn based or not. The most realistic /tg/ RPGs turn everything into a skill, and I could go on but just know that they don't work like your typical RPG but all of your skills are determined by a number.
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>>25054104
>First off let me foreword this that you're mixing up true RPGs and RPGlikes.
Well, then assume everything I said is about RPGlikes then.

>It's a game-type in itself not a means to accomplish some ultimate simulator.
Again, it's a genre because you're used to it. And it is a simulator, there are story and characters you are pretending to be.

>Right, people's P&P campaign. Pay attention. Some of the earliest RPGs with a set story are literally some programmer's retelling of his D&D campaign with his buddies.
So, they arent rpgs in the same vein as D&D then. the point of P&P is that you make your own story. If you cant do that, then its a different thing.

>Organic, human reaction based role playing which can never be replicated by a machine.
role playing is simulating a fantasy setting and a story, the mechanics are there to help you and you may or may not ignore them or change them. On a game you cant, yeah, but you can simulate the setting and story by other means that are better than turn based. mechanics are a method and the story is the goal. rpg games simulate the method to the goal because that's what they could do. But you can also can use another, better method to get to the goal. You're too used to one specific method so you lost what the goal is.

>Enjoyment of one doesn't exclude the other.
So? You're still simulating.

>The most realistic /tg/ RPGs turn everything into a skill, and I could go on but just know that they don't work like your typical RPG but all of your skills are determined by a number.
Reality doesnt work that way though, that's just a convenience made to play the story. Which is fine since you cant do much else with P&P. You can LARP at most. Having rpg mechanics in video games is just translating the P&P method without exploiting the video game genre methods to achieve the goal which is playing the story and your characters.
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>>25052490
Things like evolution during day/night, friendship, and move-elutions are already stupid and unaccesible without outside knowledge (guides) back in the day or net now. Why add this now? Did digimon die so you want to move that crap here? Especially when many would prefer 2 region game thats actually well done with content for each?
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>>25052490
>Treeco to Grovyle to Sceptile to Metagross
No
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>>25054131
>So, they arent rpgs in the same vein as D&D then

Depends. Their mechanics are ripped from D&D and the amount of roleplaying is subjective. Some are more like D&D others have a set story. All of them took their core mechanics from a P&P and so the /v/fags of old just called both RPGs which has created a rift in what an /v/ RPG should be to this day. The problem with your entire premise is that it's some sort of gigantic stockholm syndrome. If enough people didn't like turn based mechanics ARPGs would have overtaken turn based RPGs from the beginning. People who play and make RPGlikes enjoy the mechanics for what they are. If you haven't noticed, some JRPGs, and WRPGs but mostly Japanese, are hardly RPGs in that sense at all and obviously it doesn't take a genius to figure out they just dropped the idea of roleplaying from the moment they start their projects. It's an offshoot and really should be labeled its own genre of games. They aren't trying to simulate anything, even RPGlikes with big stories have little to no roleplaying in the traditional sense, and that's fine. It's a game-style with restrictions like any strategy game. That's what I'm getting at. You can't deprecate a type of game because it's not some other game. This is my *only* point of contention with you really.

>you're used to them

I don't like most turn based RPGs though, not because they're turn based but because
>a lot of developers don't how to make one work
>battle mechanics are slower and less innovative than fucking Earthbound
>aren't including combat mechanics that even P&Ps have now
>Honestly I'm thinking I could take something like GURPS combat 1:1 throw on a good gimmick, use streamlines like scrolling health, and get praised for being innovative. It would be better than most JRPGs for combat alone
I like good RPGlikes but most are bad, and I've played a ton so my standards are high. They're not inherently bad because even they can evolve as well.

1/2
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>>25054266

2/2


Now, if you want my opinion on real RPGs...

The kind of game style doesn't matter with those. It can play like an FPS, or anything as long as there's >good detailed roleplaying<. Like Fallout 1, some early Bioware games, the usual. Really though the best video game RPG wouldn't be a video game though. It would just be a port of a P&P with a map maker, online capability, and more. If only because the roleplaying would automatically be better than any video game. But that's another conversation.
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>>25054207
>did Digimon die
It has been dead for years. Even Yo-Kai Watch is more popular in the west.
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^autism speaks
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>>25052490
this is bat shit crazy.

however, it would be refreshing if a discovery was made that some evolution lines were actually related (but through some obscure method). ie. Pikachu (bred with certain item/with certain other pokemon/under certain condition) produced a pikaclone or Pichu -> Pikaclone, or Cacnea -> Maractus or Poliwhirl bred to produce Tympole (1% likelihood).
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>>25054325
what's even the point then
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