No VGC discussion? Let's get one going. This new meta is crazy! How have you adjusted to VGC16? You think Groudon and Xerneas is the new meta? Or Cybertron and friends's mons and spreads will prevail? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxGiQC2UbuU
Don't be afraid to share your teams, but don't be a faggot and use pastebin!
Interested in learning VGC? look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xelkdNrHE18
Can be a mess sometimes but it's fun seeing the interesting anti-meta stuff people are coming up with, someone won a pretty big PC using Lapras for example, you can see it on cybertron's channel
>"dude Groudon lmao" the metagame
I'm a scrub so I'll stay with my trick room team in Battlespot Doubles, thank you.
tourney #1 of the meta I found my timid Kyogre to be a perfect switch in whenever they bring in Groudon. Although I feel like now that people are getting familiar with the meta, it will be much more predictable.
Just the ones I watch. I hear Ogloza streamed some VGC 16 on Twitch, but his youtube is garbage for the mean time.
Here, incredible against most of the top threats, nulls Primal Groudon, Kang gets useless and can go head to head against kyogre and Ray with the right support, running it on Trick Room is the best option
Draco Meteor/Earth Power/Will o Wisp/protect
Basic modest max HP max SpA
My plan was always to throw him at late match because Draco hits extremely hard thanks to griseous orb and earth power does decent damage against aegislash and pdon
His weakness were mainly opposing dragon types , Xerneas as well but I barely saw one, ice beam kyogre is also a pain but it's easy to deal with if you can predict the opponent.
Also like I said T room is the way to go with him because of his "low" base speed, sure you can use it without t room but you won't be able to get his full potential
What else did you run on the team? I'm guessing you ran with something fast like Xerneas to wipe threats and then transitioned to late game with TR?
I can't see a full TR team doing that well. Who was your setter?
Currently with Giratina/Pdon/Kang/Cresselia/Whim/Ferrothorn
The fastest Pokemon in my team is Kang(besides prankster Whim)
Cresselia is the setter which almost always lead with Kang to get some fake out support if Kang faints(which happens 70% of time)switch out to Groudon, proceed with helping hand and whatever Groudon is using
I've been able to sweep 4 out of 7 teams under the 5 rounds of effect using that
I used to have Xerneas over Giratina but I could not make it work properly. Sure having a fast sweeper would help and improve my chances of winning but I feel a lot more comfortable with my current team
It is a pain in the ass, but it is not unbeatable. If you can carry 1 pokemon that can counter Smeargle, say a prankster taunt, then you are in the clear. Otherwise, it's quite problematic.
why do people take this guy seriously again
yeah, but they also carry a single-target attack, so it just introduces a lot of mind games
Now VGC15's over I want to know what the fifth best mega was. I assume it's pretty much agreed than Kang, Mence, Garde and CharY are top4 but who was fifth?
Scarf-Ogre + Ray/Cloud9 isn't exactly terrible, just very Bo1.
Smeargle has no bulk and you're using a sash anyways. It'll get at least 2 shot by everything in the meta, even with max bulk. So with a sash smeargle, just run max speed and dump points into whatever you want
Having 252Def lets you survive a Jolly Kang PuP iirc. So there's something to adding a bit of bulk.
That being said, on sash varients is max speed really worth it? All I see it doing is matching other Smeargle which just further adds to the inconsistency. There doesn't seem to be anything super relevant in the 130s (even 120s are a bit barren) so is max speed even neccesary?
I always run it because it forces bulkier sets to either run speed investment and lessen their bulk/power or deal with smeargle shenanigans, but I really don't run smeargle much because I've found it to be really inconsistent and unfun, even when it works.
Hm... why not use Raichu in conjunction with a Trick roomer? Then when TR happens, switch out either manually or use Volt Switch. It would be risky to do the latter, but a sash would help your odds
why do shitcunts always put 'VGC' at the end of their name on showdown like it makes them good? you're not cybertron, you're an underaged retard who doesn't even go to events. they're always bad too
Because that's what all the good players do so putting VGC at the end of their names must make them good too
Anyway I haven't really been enjoying this format, between Smeargle on every other team and all the speed ties, I don't think I'll play this year seriously. Who Anaheim regionals here?
If you use Yveltel, I recomend using several Dark moves on your team. Knock Off on Hariyama is a good start. You could also use Foul Play on that Smeargle you are contemplating, as it would get Yvelt's dark boost.
It's basicallly CGALK with Groudon instead of Heatran (Heatran is dead). Cress and Kang are everywhere (TR/Skillswap support and strongest mega), Amoonguss sometimes as redirector/sporeuser and finally Landorus/Liepard for intimidate/fake out/taunt. Don't forget to spare your primal for endgame, otherwise you'll lose the weather wars!
Is Lando really that common though? I hardly see it going into later rounds of even Showdown tournaments. I don't think Liepard is the best choice either since it's easier to play around than Smeargle.
You reminded me Amoonguss exists and now I'm considering using one to catch special PDon Earth Power, but then I could use any Sash redirector. I guess it works better in TR though.
Why? Poison Jab gets ~75% on Xerneas best scenario, It needs +nature to get the OHKO on 4/0 PDon and Dragon Claw can't even OHKO Mega Mence, especially not after Intimidate. I also question the use of Hariyama in a format with Xerneas, Mega Mence/Ray and Talonflame running rampant. In fact your team seems pretty weak to Xerneas with no real answers.
enigma berry nullifies damage and restore my hp or I get damage and only get my hp restored afterwards ?
Alright so I'm trying to come up with a way to use Mega Houndoom. My idea so far is a Pdon/Yveltal/Houndoom core. Houndoom should theoretically be good next to either of those thanks to sun/dark aura. Probably going to add Crobat for support. Any other suggestions?
Pdon is overrated as hell, any Pokemon with earth power can ohko it, shit even water pulse ohko it
If they're using an inconsistent strat like that, just go for the KOs. Use spread moves, lum berry, safeguard, feint, tailwind, etc.
Even if they get the double sleep, they need to waste a turn to reposition.
M-Ray (Dragon A, ESpeed, OverHeat, Protetc; LO),
P-Ogre (Spout, Scald, IceB, Protect) Modest,
Scizor (SD, Bullet, BugBite, Protetc; Lum?),
Gengar (SludgeB, IcyWind, SkillSwap, Taunt; Sash),
Togetic (Tailwind, Follow Me, After You, Magic Coat?; Eviolite)
Raichu (Volt Tackle, Fake Out Feint, ?; Zap Plate/Magnet also has Static, he figured the threat of LightningRod was enough)
Alex Gomez (PokeAlex)
P-Groudon (PBlades, Fire Punch, SD, Protect) I beleive it's Adamant 0 Speed IV
P-Kyogre (Ice Beam, protect, I thiknk Spout +Scald) Also Modest with 0iv speed
Talon (BraveBird, Tailwind ?,?; LO)
Bronzong (Gyro, TR, SkillSwap, Gravity; Lum)
Smeargle (Dark Void, Crafty Shield, Spiky Shield, ?; item? assume Sash)
M-Mawile (Play Rough, Iron Head, Sucker, Protect)
Was that Bronzong Heatproof or Levitate? The combination of Skill Swap and Gravity suggests either.
Gonna guess the Raichu ran Nuzzle/T. Wave for its 4th and I'd be surprised if Smeargle's 4th wasn't one of Fake Out / Feint / Follow Me.
Interested in that Eviolite Togetic though. I want to say it's a TR tech for After You.
the latter. healing part of the damage you take isn't as constructive as minimizing the hit.
Desolate Land makes all water attacks do no damage. You'll need to get Air Lock/Cloud 9, Delta Stream, or Primordial Sea up, or get rid of Desolate Land first in order to hit him with water.
No. In this day and age Pokemon isn't about getting the best IVs and EVs- that's standard and expected out of each and every player. Breeding has become so easy and with the perfect 3's from legends, you have no excuse to have something at least usable. Plus really since everyone hacks their own pokemon to get perfect 6's, it's just become the norm. Hell even official Pokemon judges don't care about hacking as long as everything that was hacked is either possible in game or harmless (see Ray "Dream Ball" Rizzo).
TAKE ME BACK TO VGC 2014
WHERE THERE'S NO WEATHER NOR KILLS BY RNG
Now seriously which ubers/mega are you people using ?
Me and a friend the other day were discussing an idea for using Bronzing in TR. He had an idea that heatproof might actually be a smarter call. See, people will expect the levitate to prevent ground moves. If you see a Bronzong, which are you going to guess- he'll have the ground immunity, or the fire/ice resistance?
Now that's where the beauty of it comes into play- Groudon, undeniably one of, if not the most popular pokemon in the meta- has both Ground and Fire attacks. Now, unless you anticipate it going for the Precipice Blades on your partner and hitting your Bronzeong by accident in the process, it is safe to assume any trainer would consider Bronzong to be carrying levitate. Therefor, they would most likely attack with the fire type attack, such as Overheat or Eruption. See, check this out:
>0 SpA Primal Groudon Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong in Harsh Sun: 174-206 (100 - 118.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
That's max SpD Bronzong against a 0 investment Groudon. Against the same Groudon,
>0 SpA Primal Groudon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong: 96-114 (55.1 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>0 Atk Primal Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Bronzong: 150-176 (86.2 - 101.1%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
So Bronzong would have a much greater chance of surviving the ground attacks, assuming he didn't have levitate.
Now let's see what he looks like with Heatproof:
>252+ SpA Primal Groudon Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatproof Bronzong in Harsh Sun: 134-162 (77 - 93.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Not even a full specially invested Overheat in the sun can take him out in one hit, and the Eruption isn't any better.
to be continued.
Why not just run Cress?
Bronzong's partner likely doesn't want to take at least one of P Blades or a full health Eruption to begin with so either they put the pressure on PDon or they protect leaving PDon's partner free to do what it wants. Talonflame + Bronzong could work, but that seems too specific a lead and you potentially give up one of your 2 restricted or mega.
Now let's optimize our Bronzong's EVs, bringing his SpD EVs down to 164 so we can give him 252hp/92def/164spD, this will give him enough special bulk to out survive a neutral Groudon at at most 76at EV's Precipice Blade.
A very good point. Bronzong is outclassed by Cress in bulk and popular type advantage. What Cress doesn't have, however, is Imprison. Imprison is the perfect Trick Room counter. As long as the user stays on the file, nobody- not even a switch in- can use the moves the user knows. Imprison/TR/Protect can cut stalling down tremendously. And, if knowing the meta right, means I can EV the other mons on my team to outspeed others quite easily.
My mate originally put the idea out on the table with a Dusclops, attempting to protect a Rayquaza and putting Ice Beam with Imprison on Clops.
I've also even considered a backup idea to put Imprison on a Smeargle and give him some big moves That Groudon, Cress, Xerneas, and others may learn. But that one's on the backburner for now.
I'm thinking about getting back into pokemon (haven't played since gen 1), how many games would I need to own to do online battles competitively? Is it possible to with just the newest game release?
Help me up /vp/
Groudon-Primal @ Red Orb
Ability: Desolate Land
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
- Precipice Blades
- Rock Slide
Giratina-Origin @ Griseous Orb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA
- Earth Power
- Draco Meteor
Cresselia @ Mental Herb
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 156 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
- Ice Beam
- Trick Room
- Helping Hand
- Skill Swap
Kangaskhan-Mega @ Kangaskhanite
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Sucker Punch
- Power-Up Punch
- Fake Out
Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Atk / 52 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball
- Leech Seed
The idea is simple, damage all I can with Kang, set TR with Cress and sweep all I can in 5 turns, I'm not sure about Giratina but he brings a lot to the team such as tanking Groudon, Kang and defeating dragon types
I'm also looking for a last member, I used Mega Salamence at first but he is not bulky enough especially on SpD side, I'm looking for either a mega to fit in or something fast(and that can take a few hits) in case TR does not work
Any ideas ?
Sure is, unless you want all legendaries available, if that's what you want you need both Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire
Thanks, I was planning on waiting to see if Pokemon Z is real and coming out within the next year and planned on buying that and omega ruby, hoping that it gives me a good pool of pokemon and being able to trade for other things I need.
You should still use Salamence anyway because it's really good. Also, some sets could be better, like Kanga and PDon. Special PDon is really damn good, and even better than the physical one just because it can't get intimidated and your strongest STAB (Earth Power and Eruption) options can't miss, not to mention you can OHKO the majority of PDons with EP. For Kanga, Double-Edge is the better option, as well as Low Kick, because you want to worn out as many things as possible from the get-go, and in this meta most of the Pokemon are absurdly heavy, so your Low Kicks will most likely be at full power.
Mega Salamence outspeeds them all and threatens Palkia and Fug with DM. It can chunk Kyogre with even an uninvested Double Edge.
If those aren't on the field it can Hyper Voice. I don't even use Mega Mence, but I can identify its merits.
Idea for a team.
Sash smeargle w spiky shield, transform, dv, fake out,
Also what is the most prominent form of M Kang these days?
I was planning to use Greninja as conjunction with M Grou. Rock Slide can pick up an OHKO on most Ho Ohs, which I hear are becoming a thing, and Grass Knot can get the 2hko on Kyogres.
I was running a pretty standard TailRoom starring PDon, Xern and Mega Mom with emphasis on PDon.
I would bring in Aegislash every now and then, however with the rise of Earth Power users and Cresselia not being a big threat I feel it's obsolete. Any suggestions? I feel Amoonguss can help for when opposing PDon are physical, but not sure if there are better options.
The remove genies mentality is strong.
I feel like Cress will be just as prominant. Many less darkies going around to knock off Cress.
Yeah but after the TR, Skill Swap, HH/Gravity sequence it doesn't do too much. Xern and Mega Mom can do more than enough to it and PDon too if I want to Skill Swap its Levitate off.
If been using a Weakness Policy on my Yveltal. +2 Oblivion Wings are dope. With Tailwind/Thunderwave for speed control, and Dark Aura boosting my parter Mega Mawile/Liepard it seems to be working out for the most part.
But I bet any good player would thrash me. Im still newish.
You can have them all on a team. The beauty of Cress is its a defensive titan that doesn't take a legend or mega slot. Pokémon like Palkia that can TR and attack well take up one of said slots, and for a mon that is primarily a supporter you don't want to take up your bigger powerhouse slots
Sorry, I probably didn't word my sentence efficiently. I want to replace Wide Guard Aegislash because of the rise of Earth Power and Cresselia not being a priority to counter. Gyro Ball is cool, but I can still hit Xern with my other physical attackers. I'm considering Amoonguss because it can redirect Earth Power or it can spore EQ/PBlade users. It also actually benefits from (opposing) TR vs. Aegislash which experiences much more gray tradeoffs.
Well you can treat the upcoming IC as the proving grounds for your team.
Ah I gotcha. Well it's understandable that this season is hard to get the hang of. I myself am also transitioning weirdly. Just keep trying teams, you'll find something that works.
I for example have been investing time and research in P Kyogre, as he may very well be the perfect counter to P Groudon. I just have to organize things right.
Yeah, Ho-Oh tends to go physical because Sacred Fire + Brave Bird are way too good to pass. Yveltal on the other hand is quite hard to know because it can go either way and still do great, although I kinda prefer the physical set with Knock Off because it can OHKO most Cresselia.
I can barely bypass Pogre even though I have 2 Pokemons to deal with him
Also every mega besides Kang is terrible at this point, Mence is now a glass cannon
Is this Palkia set good enough ?
Allows me to OHKO 0HP/0SpD PDon and 2HKO Pogre with Spacial Rend also getting not much damage from both of them even with maxed SpA(most used moves get 25% or less while ice beam 45%), I was planning to put some IVs on Spe but it's does not help a lot if I see Fug or M Mence on the opposing side I need TR to defeat them
Main weakness as for any Dragon, Xerneas who OHKO me with a moonblast without any boost
Also can someone tell me if a maxed speed jolly mega Kang can outspeed max speed scarf smeargle ?
I recently moved from Germany to Argentina.
How can I change my GL and Play Pokemon settings to my current country without having to erase everything? I can't change my console settings either.
>tfw getting predicted left and right
>4 games losing streak
>gets wrong Pokemon to start the match
>negative speed Groudon
Togetic, Bronzong, Scizor and Raichu are cool to see but it's clear that the primals and Xerneas are too good not to use. Every team is basically those + standard mega(s) and 2 or 3 dedicated supporters for them
I fiddled around a bit when VCG16 dropped (I quit for 15 because it was stale and I didn't want bother going to Kansas), when you say Xern/PDon is top, are we talking 80%+ of teams? What else is doing good?
What's the sekrit meta?
Adding to this. I battled Cybertron on the Special ladder last night. He ended up winning after I lost momentum with my Yveltal and Ferrothorn against his Palkia and Amoongus. Lost 2-0 against him. My battle wasnt on Road to Ranked though.
Even though Xer/Don is great I barely see them together, Groudon eliminate steel types with no bothering making Xerneas hard to defeat.
Other good uber duos is RayOgre, and that's that I guess, nobody is really trying hard on team building, Giratina-O goes well with everything thanks to walling Kang and PDon, Palkia is good against primals as well
Now I'm looking for a good uber partner to Xerneas that is not Kyogre or Groudon
Ogloza said he's get F4F to 300, but then changed his mind and gave it only to his Patreons. Also stopped doing Stempe Fridays
Disappointed as fuck since he was so much more entertaining than Cybertron and desu I think he was a better player too
Cybetron's a little overrated but he is definitely better than Ogloza. Apart from winning a national he's done almost nothing, and from watching his vids he lacks some simple knowledge that top players shouldn't
He's been out of the game for a while and it shows, but he's got stronger predictions imo, much better at thinking ahead several turns without being overcautious like cybertron. Results of course are in cybertron's favour though, i'll concede that
could be due to personality differences though
Basically hacking a Pokemon in is easy as fuck but are people who play competitively do it? I don't want to do it because it wouldn't be fun at all Just got back on the Series with AS. Any recommendation for Pokemon to play competitively?
Blazekin / Latias / Kyogre is basically my team but then again not a competitive fag as of now.
On HG i had Typhlosion Lapras Snorlax Dragonite Pikachu and someone else
Other Decent Pokemon that i have on AS Breelom Gyarados Salamance and obviosly Rayquaza
Will catch Deoxys after beating E4 again
So what Pokemon Should i get to play competitively? Also i picked totodile somehow i will end up transfering my other pokemon from B/B2/HG and i will get X/Y aswell what game should i get X or Y?
Really? It's really easy to do it but i mean if i do it the novelty will wear off, is this how everybody plays? What is the point then? Is the Metagame just Perfect IVs and you only win based on strategy?
Well never forget how heavy RNG plays a role in pokemon, but yes. It's for the best imo, since you can calculate things much more accurately assuming IVs are maxed and whatnot. Doesn't it sound better that way?
You don't have to, but genning your Pokemon (AND making sure they're completely legal so you don't get banned/disqualified) just saves a lot of time than soft-resetting or biking until the egg hatches.
As good a time as any. The rules change every year, so it's all up to the year. As far as how big the meta popularity is, unless you live in the NYC or LA region, your PC turnouts will be modest and the regionals will be pretty popular. I'd say try it out.
>He counters even God
I see how it can be useful against Groudon since every move he commonly runs does a lot of damage to it, but against everything else you'd probably be better just using Psystrike, not to mention that if you predict poorly you basically give your foe a free turn
Xerneas(the usual geomancy set)
Team has some flaws that I'm working on but I'll try to build something definitive soon
That's why I'm trying to use it only when I definitely know that the opponent will attack, if you can't predict then yes psystrike is a safe choice
Why the hell is Crobat so popular nowadays? I see the damn thing everywhere.
Taunt. Fucking kill is because Talonflame is paper.
Prankster Taunt/Quick Guard/Safeguard/Outspeed because Scarf Smeargle is not that fast, it just appears to be because base 90 is the new speed standard.
>Nearly 10 days up
>Just about 200 replies
Where else do you guys talk about VGC? I cannot believe this is the only half-decent place in the world. This slowness is inhuman.
It's very fast and relatively bulky, can run quite a lot of support moves like Quick Guard, Super Fang (really damn good for those bulky Pokemon), Tailwind, Whirlwind, Taunt, Haze and heck, even Swagger if you really want it and don't have room for Pranksters.
Nuggetbridge, and local friends. Mostly the latter. Honestly, I don't know anything about the people who reply to me if they don't have a big name, so with the friends I make, I can at least understand thier capabilities.
So there really isn't anyway to make a move change without not being able to participate in the IC anymore is there?
I was only five games in before I finally wanted to use it so I wouldn't even mind resetting my ladder or starting 0-5. I just wanted decent practice.
how's the IC so far /vp/? I'm afraid of joining in but I eventually will later, Groudon Xerneas much ?
I think registration is over but you could check, personally I'm gonna start playing soon. you can play 15 games per day for the next three days, I'm willing to gen anything someone might need for the IC if you're actually competing in it, otherwise please don't ask
>people are not using ubers at all or using the Same Xerneas/PDon Team
I'm dying inside
I'm about to lock in this team for the IC, can someone give it a quick go-over to make sure I didn't forget anything stupid?
I really want to stick skill swap somewhere but I have no clue where.
I usually cry and hope for a Spiky Shield
If everything goes right I win
Remove precipice blades and put stone edge/rockslide
I think TR/HH is enough, that's what I'm currently using as well, it will take a lot of time for you to set all those 3 moves, helping hand + whatever you use is already good enough
went 9/6 on my first day
things aren't looking good. I only have that many wins cuz there are a ton of bad teams, some even without restricted legendaries.
I lost to a fucking mega-Sharpedo ffs
Used salamence since gold and now injected it days ago but i have no idea what i am doing
Special Obviously and Modest nature
>everyone leading Xerneas x Smeargle
>goes Cress Kang
>Switches Kang for ferro
>sets room while opponent geomancy spiky shield
>OHKO Xerneas w/ gyro ball
>everyone quitting on the spot
I feel like God at the moment
He lost 14
can someone here please give me a build for Gardevoir? in Smogon there are a lot and I don't know which one should I choose, thank you
go for it, i'm sure heaps of his subs would be interested after he kinda boned them
he'll probably pull the series or some shit if he can't make money from it though, not that it matters since he only shows it to the few people who pay him anyway
went 20-3 with this team on battlespot today, ended at 1705.
Yeah it's incredibly standard, sash never activated on amoonguss. Mental herb might be good and I would invest a bit more physical bulk next time since it doesn't live an adamant kangaskhan double edge. Double edge can be very good on salamence. pblades can be great on groudon, physical groudon in general can be good. You would usually play this team with smeargle instead of amoonguss but I hate relying on DV rng and amoonguss is so strong against TR, no tr teams this year prepare for it because the go-to fire type is groudon no goggles heatran. However, smeargle is extremely strong and with moves like fake out + follow me or even wide guard, tailwind or craft shield you can often make higher percentage plays than just spamming DV like a mongoloid.
thanks man, I replaced gravity with skill swap and pblades with stone edge and they've been fantastic so far
Thanks for posting no bs actually thanks where can i find other teams like this? Like detailed and everything i would like to read all about the current meta
>The communication with the other player was interrumpted
I don't use them very often, but they're very useful in stally games or in situations where neither ferrothorn or its opponent can damage each other very effectively, like against a dialga or cresselia or something. That and they help stop ferro from getting worn down as quickly.
If you want to replace it, thunder wave, knock off, gravity, or explosion seem like decent options. Thunder wave and gyro ball don't mix together very well though.
just had two really good games on my second day's quota. I know nobody cares but you can't stop me from posting the replays: L72W-WWWW-WW3F-KJ7M and C29G-WWWW-WW3F-KJ97
nice for a change of pace from the usual "I don't know what the fuck I'm doing" feeling. Also I might have a ton of tools against Smeargle but I certainly don't know how to use them.
"This spread guarantees the OHKO on a minimal bulk Primal Kyogre, has enough HP investment to avoid being OHKOd by LO Mega Rayquaza and putting the rest into SpDef gives it a slightly easier time taking hits from Primal Kyogre and Xerneas which is the main reason to be using this mon.
228 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Primal Kyogre: 176-210 (100.5 - 120%)
252 Atk Life Orb Mega Rayquaza Dragon Ascent vs. 100 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 136-161 (83.9 - 99.3%)
252 Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Low Kick (100 BP) vs. 100 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 135-159 (83.3 - 98.1%)
And the comparison of the two spreads:
252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 116 SpD Ferrothorn in Heavy Rain: 59-69 (32.5 - 38.1%)
252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 100 HP / 180+ SpD Ferrothorn in Heavy Rain: 51-60 (31.4 - 37%)"
Those games where I should've brought Xerneas and those games where I shouldn't have brought Xerneas.
Getting disconnected everytime I OHKO Xerneas on 1st or 2nd turn
People think using Xerneas/PDon/Smeargle means definitive win
it uses UTC so we're on the second day basically. don't worry, your quota of matches gets rolled over if you missed any.
lol at Meowstic using Quick Guard against Xerneas and Ferrothorn, what even. also lmao at your opponent for doing that horrible bait at the end of the second one
I decided to go full crazy with a Yveltal + TTar Dark Aura team and I'm against all reason I'm winning more than I should be winning considering all the Xerneas I'm encountering.
People psych themselves way too easily and go for the obvious GRRRRR IT'S A DARK TYPE GOTTA MOONBLAST IT so they leave themselves open quite easily.
Sand is more useful than expected against all reason too. People also leave their Primal far more open than they should because they become fixated on cockblocking the sand.
Would love to hear more about your team at your leisure.
How do you guys pace yourselves?
I'm guessing if you actually want points you go for 1900+ then retire, but boy is it rough.
>Using pikachu as my Xerneas/Yveltal Slayer
Volt Tackle and Iron Tail OHKO almos everytime but honestly he is shit who should i use insteal of pikachu
Based. I'm using WP Yveltal with Mega Mawile/ Liepard.
I think Yveltal is really underrated and versatile. You can go physical with Foul Play, Knock Off, and Sucker Punch, special with Dark Pulse and Snarl (hell even Heat Wave next to Groudon can nuke things), or even mixed between the two with support options like Tailwind , Taunt, Roost, and Disable.
131 in both attacking stats is great.
>we send out our leads
>hmm, maybe he was expecting meto set the weather for him but it's otherwise not an overwhelmingly positive lead for me so I should err on the side of caution here
S-sorry to hear that.
>Opponent's Thundurus swaggers my Groudon and paralyzes my Mawile
>My pokemon don't move for two turns
A-at least I'm still 11-2 in the IC, r-right?
I guess what I'm asking is when do you stop yourself from tilting.
I just lost all my progress of the evening in only a couple games.
I usually just take notes of trickroom/tailwind turns because I lose track of them very easily, though they are pretty useful in best of 3 play to remember your opponent's moveset and EVs
on real life tournaments I do (if I didn't forget to bring pen and paper), but only on bo3 sets or if playing against someone that's likely to advance to the top 8 (if I am going to advance too, of course). Though most of the time I'd just write down the pokemon on team preview, write up an attack or two they use, maybe tailwind/tr/weather turns and then nothing till the end of the match, when I remember I was gathering information and quickly write everything I can remember
I have some stuff open too, but speaking anecdotally I've done better in events where I took minimal notes. Small sample size however and mostly speaking from in-person events.
I like to fill in spreadsheets when I'm at home though. At this point I suppose I should just treat this IC as practice.
>Would love to hear more about your team at your leisure.
Team is mostly disruption and slowly wearing down.
Carries Foul Play and Sucker with Oblivion Wing being the odd one. Killing those fucking Amoongus and refilling near all my health is wonderful. Specially when they think themselves so clever for redirecting Yveltal.
Assurance, Rock Slide, Sub, Protect. Assurance hits like a truck when going second and boosted by Dark Aura.
Sands gets more use than you would think. People psych themselves thinking HAHA HE'S USING TTAR I'LL LEAD WITH MY PRIMAL SO HE CAN'T USE IT I'M SO CLEVER and then their Primal is dead and it's party time for TTar because nothing special can touch him. Well, as long as Xerneas is dead.
Standard bulky variant. Mostly Fake Out support. VERY IMPORTANT. I can't set-up shit without it. Free turns are needed to set-up my stuff.
Bulky as fuck, Swagger and Thunder Wave everything, except Groudon. Fuck Groudon. Speed control is super important considering my team is on the slow-side and Swagger lets Yveltal hit like a truck. Obviously, I'm baiting for parafusion hard here. No shame. Specially with TTar on the side under a Sub and baiting for flinches as well. Helps with Kyogre a little too.
Total Groudon cockblock because fuck Groudon. Help with my massive Fighting weakness even if no one carries Fighting moves anymore. Damn thing never dies and hits surprisingly hard. Completely shut-downs Mega Mom too. I love this thing. Hits deceptively hard too. Like Mega Mom, it's mostly support and wearing down the opponent so that the big hitters can get the kill. Draco Meteor, Shadow Sneak, Dragon Pulse, Phantom Force.
Even without Sand up it does a quick work out of Groudon and Xerneas and then it's fun times with uncle TTar. From what I've seen most Xerneas don't go full speed so when Sand is up it's always a joy to outspeed them after they have Geomancy up.
dunno anon I just play.
for the IC, at least, I've just broken the quota into blocks of 3 or 5 games. since the day rolls over at 00:00 UTC that means I can squeeze a few games the night before and it'll count as day 2
Would you mind sharing the importable after the IC? After this competition I need a change of pace.
Was it on a Groudon team or did it use your's? I'm surprised you had nothing to hit it with.
Funny thing that you mention him because i found him today and it caught me off guard i never encountered that pokemon before the wonder guard i had to go to pokemon db and a sucker punch did it. Eventhough that was it i almost lose.
I think i will try with that pokemon but not sure
What? You can use traded Pokemon, otherwise the whole point of the game would be lost. I can give you my files if you want though, they're legal so you can use them without problem.
I can't speak for TPCi's documentation as that site is a mess (though not as much of a mess as the new NB) but I imagine they meant to discourage players from using mons traded with randoms as they may not be legit.
Xerneas (event shiny): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30485706/%E3%82%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%8D%E3%82%A2%E3%82%B9%20-%203EAC16F5.pk6
Xerneas (non-shiny from X): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30485706/Xerneas%20-%208B0DC5AD.pk6
Sure thing. I'll most likely end up making big modifications to the this team afterwards so it's no biggie.
Hell, right now all my spreads are 252/252.I made this team on a whim to test if Sand could work on this meta and the results ended up much better than expected.
It kinda makes me wanna try Hail but I feel that one is beyond salvation no matter what I do.
>Abomasnow used to be supergood the last time big legends were allowed in VGC10
Feels bad man