so tell me /vp/,do you think that smogon managed to prove

>>25016939

Karen has something Smogonners will never have.

A bangin ass.

>>25016944
More like anything remotely resembling an attractive appearance.

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Not really.

Tiers were never really that accurate to begin with. The only real shitmons are things that are either slow and weak or just unviable - you know a shitmon when you see one. As long as your favourite Pokemon isn't Sunflora or Dunsparce or whatever, anything can be used with the right investment and the right moves for whatever circumstance you may see fit.

Gastrodon for example is an RU Pokemon, yet it's actually not uncommon in OU. Why? Because if it's not a Grass type or a sweeper that has already set up, Gastrodon walls it. People even use it in fucking Ubers to wall Primal Groudon and other shit.

It really depends on what your favourite Pokemon are. I happen to be quite well off since most of my favourites are UU or OU at best. Pic related - people think he's shit because "DUDE ICE LMAO" or because he isn't Blaziken or Swampert, but few people realize he works fucking wonders in OU: perfect counter to Rotom-W, OHKOes Scizor with HP Fire, can check Azumarill, Latios, Hippowdon and all sorts.


Bottom line: as long as it's not NU / PU garbage (you'll know a shitmon when you see one), it can be used.

>>25016982
/thread

>>25016982
252+ Atk Primal Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 252-297 (59.1 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
just say it walls kyogre and you'll be fine

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>>25016939

>>25017041
The retard strikes again. Why don't you go see if Eviolite works on Luvdisc?

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>VGC 2015
>Karen ever being right

>>25016939
A good Pokémon player simply gets results. Doesn't matter if you're karenfagging or smogonfagging, it's all the same. The only thing that matters is, did you win?

If you didn't, you're wasting your time.

>>25017206
You shut up, every team in the top 8 had a different polemon in the 6th slot.

>>25016939
No.

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>>25017214
Edgy

>>25016939
The only real shitmons I believe there is are stuff like most early route craps, Delibird, Spinda, Unown, and other things that are really just useless.

>>25016939
No. Fuck Smogon. I will always play with my boys no matter what people say.

>>25016939
>playing the unbalanced monstrosity that is pokemon's competitive scene

>>25016939
>hurr hurr smogon
Smogon is the only one that cares about your shitty bros being usable

No, because smogon doesn't let my use my thunderwave/foulplay/swagger/substitute klefki :^)

oh so that is why people who battle with favorite pokemon are called Karen...

There will always be people like Smogontards who gather to put together the most minmax effective tierwhoring bullshit. I only find it annoying because people are such lazy shitters they just copy the Smogon tech mindlessly and there's no creativity.

That said unless your favorite pokemon are TOTAL shit(I'm looking at you Spinda) you can make anything work, with enough creativity and a well thought out team. For instance Smogon sets literally never have pokemon with Inner Focus use it. I use it and blow Fake Out fags the fuck out.

tiers only work if you are playing within the confines of a tier
for example smogon will make a set for a pokemon based on other pokemon in the tier, however that pokemon may lose against an objectively worse mon from a lower tier since it wasn't prepared for what it could do

I mean we have all seen the videos of magikarp sweeping "ubers" with flail if it was set up properly

strategy>raw power of the monsters

>>25017681
>strategy>raw power of the monsters
Didn't Yu-Gi-Oh drive that point home with the whole Yugi versus Kaiba thing?

>>25017707
the problem is the pokemon fanbase is made up of mostly children, so if your strategy amounts to anything more than bulldozing something it's considered a gimmick

>>25017613
Because Smogon's focus is only on Singles, and Fake Out isn't as common?

>>25017796
Using stuff like Dragon Dance/Swords Dance/Quiver Dance/etc is fine, but having a whole team dedicated to boosting and then Baton Passing to a shitmon like Magikarp, then it IS a gimmick because that's the only way your team works; if it gets stopped you outright lose, whereas if you use setup Pokemon like a normal person, you still have a lot of chance to win if they stop it, unless your team is complete shit and has no synergy whatsoever.

>>25017681
>I mean we have all seen the videos of magikarp sweeping "ubers" with flail if it was set up properly

because the opposing players are morons who can't prepare their teams properly

>>25017613
There's plenty of creativity. They even encourage it. Some of the teams that get high on the ladder are the most creative ones because they were able to beat more common teams. But creativity doesn't mean "I can slap any shitmon on my team and hope it works just to be unique" like some people seem to think it means.

>>25017813
but you don't need whole team to do it, all that's required is the smeargle and magikarp, then you have 4 slots open to do what ever you want

the magikarp isnt even the point, its just to show that the shittest shitmon of them all can one hit kyogre with proper set up

>>25017830
That's a totally unviable and shit strategy though retard.

>>25017839

Baton Pass is so unviable and so shit that Smogon banned it.

>>25017830
That don't do anything on their own without passing +6 on every stat. That's why it's a gimmick; they're pretty much a waste of space in your team.

>>25017842
Scolipede is singlehandedly responsible for that ban and you know it.

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fuck karenfags
fuck smogonfags

>>25017839
>That's a totally unviable and shit strategy though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-PArgnvqQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97xAv07lNFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye7b3bOQ6lY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwS-0vcbRa4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6O-R0JdvF4
>totally unviable

>>25017853
try citing replays of high ladder battles instead of meme youtube videos with shitty players

literally any strategy is "viable" if you're counting how effective it is with all the shit players.

>>25017853
>>25017853
>beating literal children and shitters means it's viable

topkek

>>25017817
This and
>>25016982
this.

Smogon's tier system is just based on usage anyways. For a more accurate look at how Pokemon fulfill niches in tiers, look at viability rankings. But since 90% of /vp/ is filled with retards who criticize what they don't understand or haven't experienced, no one can ever have a serious discussion on Smogon, VGC, or any metagame for that matter.

...that's not to say Smogon itself doesn't have very cancerous individuals (because it has quite a lot of them).

>>25017845
or more importantly, it allows pokemon to transcend the tier list and invalidates everything they are trying to do

>>25017858
>>25017860
>it d-doesnt count guys!!!

>>25017867
yep, it doesn't. I'm glad you get it.

>>25017870
>doens't understand how greentext works
but since you like smogon it was obvious you are 13 from the beginning

>>25017875
no, I get out it works. I just like messing with people who can't come up with good arguments.

>>25017853
not shown: the tries it took to get a complete shitter as an enemy

>>25017853
epic, simply ~EPIC~

>>25017875
Good argumentation skills, friend.

By citing videos of 'EPIC SWEEPZ XD', our fears have been confirmed. Please, come back when you are 18 and your general mentality towards this discussion is 'FUCK SMOGON FUCK SMOGON VERLISIFY FEED ME LUCARIO COCK' because frankly no one wants to hear it. Okay? Okay.

>>25017885
>posting evidence is a bad argument
listen, kid
I'm probably one of the highest level players around here, I've been to VGC semi finals more than once, so don't tell me what works and what doesn't

>>25017895
epic, simply ~EPIC~
FTFY

How can anyone say Baton Pass is unviable? Seriously?

>>25017906
>stars don't appear
Nip-MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

>>25017897
Mm. I'm sure you have. Just like Slugfucker is a hard-working member of his community, yes?

>>25017897
you know you don't have to be so obvious when baiting, right?

she is right, smart Trainers will find a way to make their shitmon viable, even if its some gimmick

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>>25017897
>I'm probably one of the highest level players around here, I've been to VGC semi finals more than once, so don't tell me what works and what doesn't
Nice EVIDENCE for that claim, faggot

>>25017897
Kill yourself.

>>25017941
>implying I want you autists to know exactly who I am
>>25017927
I have the lanyard to prove it

>>25016982
I love Mega Sceptile. May people complain about its ability, but it's useful for having protection against common paralysis-inducing moves like T-wave. I think the only thing M-Sceptile needs to be OU is Growth or Nasty Plot.

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>smogon gets BTFO
>defense force bursts on the scene
you guys are hilarious, its no wonder you have to use sims, nobody actually wants to play with you in real life

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>>25017982
if you're that good, then just make a random account on PS and ladder up until you reach top 10
That way you can show us your skills without letting autists know who you are

>>25017992
I don't even like pokemon that much, I only hang out around here when there is news about new stuff on the horizon. it isn't my main hobby that I would spend time paying simulators in my free time.

>>25017998
so you're somewhat skilled, cause you've been to Semifinals multiple times, but you don't spend time practicing?
Oh and ou are somewhat wellknown cause we would know who you are.
>>>/vp/vpwt

>>25018033
>you don't spend time practicing?
videogames aren't a sport, and especially a turn based game its not like I need to keep my reflexes sharp. prior to a tournament I consider teams I want to make, build them, test them out, and if I like them I move forward with the project.
I do tests on my strategy, but practice? no, I don't practice

>>25018054
where do you test your strategy?

>>25017897
>>posting evidence is a bad argument

posting bad evidence is.

>>25018081
in ur mum's bedroom lol xDD

>>25018081
>>25018033
Stop getting baited, you're almost as underage as he is

>>25018147
>thinking I'm believing the bullshit he's spewing
I'm just waiting until he starts contradicting himself

>>25017852
>mastering the cards that you're dealt isn't karenfaging

Are you sure about that, buddy?

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>>25018081
Traditionally I know a lot of people who play so I could use them, but now it's easier because you can just pick up games online
>>25018147
Sheeeeeit

>>25018169
post timestamp

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>>25018199
Srsly, I'm legit

>>25017527
If that was true I would be able to bring up any Pokemon on here without someone going "B-B-BUT THAT'S NOT ON GENERIC OU TEAM OF THE WEEK!"

>>25018254
>What are other tiers?

>>25018258
You still get people sperging out when it's not OU's most OU.

>>25018258
look at the carbink thread, someone was asking for a good way to use it and the first response was to use diancie instead because its better
that
wasn't
the
question

>>25018266
The default tier is OU, so unless you specify you want to play another tier instead of being a special snowflake in OU, that's what you're getting.

>>25018261
>>25018266
those are fags
fuck em

>>25018271
>The default tier is OU
no, the default tier is
this ban list
Mewtwo
Mew
Lugia
Ho-oh
Celebi
Kyogre
Groudon
Rayquaza
Jirachi
Deoxys
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Phione
Manaphy
Darkrai
Shaymin
Arceus
Victini
Reshiram
Zekrom
Kyurem
Keldeo
Meloetta
Genesect
Xerneas
Yveltal
Zygarde
Diancie

and everything else is fair game

smogon is unofficial in every capacity and therefore OU is not the default anything

>>25018287
verlis pls, you can't even into context

>>25018164
no those are people who use the team who they played the game with to play online

>>25018225
>>25018169
What the fuck even is that? Some shit I could order off Amazon for three dollars? Please bait harder next time.

>>25018266
That's because diancie is better in every single way. Sure, didn t answer the question, but it's a stupid question and if you bother to ask it you don't deserve an answer.

>>25018287
go away Verlis

>>25018503
>Some shit I could order off Amazon for three dollars?
I checked, and you can't.

>>25017922
>>25017927
>>25017941
>>25017964

There is no gaming community on the face of the Earth that gets more assblasted than pokemon battlers when someone claims to be good at the game.

Get your autism in check before you get smacked the fuck out.

>>25018287
Mythical mons aren't banned. Wish they fucking were though.

>>25016982
>as long as your favorite pokemon isn't a shitmon it can be viable
Woooow so profound!

>>25018503
>What the fuck even is that?
a lanyard only given to people that made it into the championship bracket
I'm not surprised if you have never seen one before because only 16 people have it
top 8 adult division, top 8 junior division

>>25018596
Why's that?

>>25018674
>posts lanyard he got at a friend's yard sale
>its actually a super sekrit token only given to like 12 people, it's proof of my epic SKILLZ xD
Oh yeah and I totally met Bugs Bunny at Disneyland! I even have photo evidence!

>>25018287
Lol at the pressed smog on fan boys that replied to this

>>25018503
You're so dumb

>>25018726
Dude just admit the guy is who he says it is and get over it

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Dunno, but I wanna take Karen on a date

>>25018726
now you just look foolish

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sQUoqo_q1A
Pachirisu too OP please nerf.

Sirlin proved that both sides are scrubs, and the truly good players would know to abuse the "cheap" stuff, how to counter it, and how to stop people from stopping it so that they can continue using it.

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>>25018810
Strong men. Weak men. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled woman should try to date the men they love best.

>>25018874
here's your (You)

>>25018674
Show the nametag

>>25016939
>canon vs fans

>>25017253
Why was that show a disappointment farm

>>25017842
If they banned it what does that mean? Is there anything stopping you from using it?

>>25017860
So a shitter is a pokemon who does not have stats the exact height as yours?

>>25019002
Their rules include only 1 Batonpasser and you can't only pass Speed or other Stats
Reason: Someone made a BP team that shat on every other team

>>25019026
I mean how do they enforce these rules?

>>25019053
on their online battle simulator with code that checks if your team has a combination of moves they banned
If you only play on cartridge they can do literally nothing

>>25019080
Oh OK
Is it that Showdown thing?

>>25019087
yes

>>25019053
on showdown, the computer checks your team when you attempt matchmaking and keeps you from entering is something is flagged (an uber mon, multistat+baton pass). they can't enforce it on actual wifi battles.

>>25019080
>>25019115
Who the fuck would willingly play Smogon rules on cart? Do you have any idea how stupidly long a 50 turn battle would take there?

>>25018836
>>25018809
>>25018803
>samefagging this hard
Good god now I know how tryhard VGC players are

>>25016939
No, because smogon is not Pokemon, it's a metagame that uses the series as a vehicle to exist

Her point is that in-game, you should use whatever appeals to you. The Pokemon games are easy as fuck mostly because every single Pokemon is viable

Of course, at the time of GSC, her advice didn't actually make that much sense, since the game's mechanics meant a lot of Pokemon were completely not viable (Sneasel being a physically-based dark attacker is an example of Game Freak being shit at designing stats). That being said, they've gotten a lot better over the years, giving good moves and distribution to Pokemon with otherwise shitty stats, plus abilities.

>>25019338
You tried, you still made a fool of yourself

>>25016982
I feel like people conceptualize what tiers are for wrong. They arent a banlist saying you cant be good if you use these. They just make it so that every pokemon is viable in some place. Oh you really like Dodrio like I do but know its shit in OU? Just use it in PU!
Tiers encourage all pokemon to be used

>>25019134
Lots of idiots feel like enforcing those stupid rules on cart actually, and then whine and disconnect when you tell them to fuck off

>>25017885
The argument was fine

Something is only "viable" in relation to the meta it exists in

Those videos aren't part of a ladder. The magikarp sweeper was successful in terms of individual battles, but how effective is that strategy against an entire community? A good team isn't good because of singular, specific battles, it's good because it is the mathematically best counter to the meta, and it can win often and with the least amount of risk

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>>25019338
it's ok, you are posting anonymously. losing an argument isn't a big deal, you can just sop posting and nobody will ever know it was you.

>>25019380
'making a fool of oneself' is not only seriously responding to bait, but then seriously responding to a claim of samefagging.

Sure, I'm the idiot in this situation, but then you're even more of a gullible moron, and im happy for making you a little more insecure

>>25019383
The problems arise when people's faves are in different tiers, which frustrates betas to no end

>>25019415

But people also run "anti-meta" teams on Smogon and get really far. But then those teams fall apart because they're so anti-meta they can be fucked by one unexpected variable. So is that gimmicky or good? Because it counters the meta but walks a fine line.

Smogon is incestuous bullshit.

>>25019650
You don't even understand what anti meta is. Anti meta just means niche pokemon that work well in the current meta (see weavile or rhyperior). An anti meta team is a team of said mons.

Meta constantly changes and you're a cuck for thinking it just stays the same LMAO

>>25019669

Your bait is too retarded so I am just going to stop replying to you. Enjoy yourself.

>>25016939
Wait.....
I FINALLY GET IT. KARENFAGS!

>>25017613
>Inner Focus
VGCfag pls

>>25019415
>it's good because it is the mathematically best counter to the meta

But it's not a good counter to the meta. It's a good counter to a few shitters.

>>25019373
>Diance doesnt have power gem
>Garchomp doesnt have dragon dance
>Mega Aerodactyl getting shafted
They still have a LOOOOOOOng way to go

>>25017984
Bruh, I never even thought about that it's ability makes it imune to T-wave. Also it cancels out volt switch too, wich i so nice. I love sceptile too, he's a beast.