>>24989827 Gen V has a huge backlash overall, BW had more , BW2 but thats beacuse it got shitton of content, same for HGSS.
You see the thing is both BW2 and HGSS were last games in the generation and GF aways gives the best things to the last games.
ORAS isnt last game of gen 6 hence why it didnt get as much content but still got a better treatment than FRLG for example when they copypasted RG and included some pontless islands. At least ORAS got completely rewritten, better story, Multinav, updated Secret Bases, Contests, Soaring with mirage spots and crazy amount of legendaries and Delta Episode.
People will be praising ORAS in the future, just wait untill gen 7
>>24989850 90% of the people here are contrarian faggots that just hate on the new stuff, good or not. I personally liked OR/AS a lot, even though the original Hoenn games are just meh in my book though I started with them. HG/SS is a personal fav of mine.
Compared to ORAS? No it didn't because it at least brought in a crapton of new content. Which ORAS doesn't even have the advantage of.
. FRLG was good because of those new areas. What new areas did ORAS make again? a few tiny RNG islands and a battle resort to copy pasta the maison? ORAS will be just as hated in the future; the flaws won't magically go away. Stay deluded though.
I don't see any proof. Everywhere I go has people disappointed with ORAS. And of course they sold, the Pokemon name could be slapped on a literal dog shit and it would still sell. Doesn't mean the game is good.
>>24989876 >FRLG was good because of those new areas
The new areas that dont offer ANYTHING exciting? ANYTHING storywise? ANYTHING lorewise? They were pointless and FRLG is the weakest of all remakes for a reason, you literally trying to pretend the good things about ORAS dont exist
>Everywhere I go has people disappointed with ORAS
>And of course they sold, the Pokemon name could be slapped on a literal dog shit and it would still sell.
Tell that to all the side games + Crystal, Emerald etc
ORAS was such a disappointment. You first realize something is wrong when you steamroll everything mindlessly. Then you get to Mauville and the entire city is replaced with a shitty building. Then you get handed a legendary pokemon. Then you get to the safari zone and find that it's been effectively removed. Then you get to a statue that tells you that there's no battle frontier. It's not as good as emerald when you balance out what's added, what's take out, and what's been fucked up. At least the other remakes were objectively better than their source.
ORAS was full of wasted potential and even managed to make XY worse by splitting the online player base. And it ruined competitive by including those fucking genies, making the whole split even more pointless.
>>24989957 Pretty much but I guess the main problem is all those are right there for you whenever you want so people who didn't think about it might get underwhelmed with the difficulty in their first run and ruin their experience
Wholeheartedly agree with that. Gen 4 was special for me but it was abnormally slow. Surfing, battles, just seems like everything was slow. Though regardless I still loved these games. Best route music in the whole series in my opinion.
>>24989962 the main problem is that lati@s is pretty popular amongst fans, giving it like this may have been a dick move. on the other hand, it came willingly which is kind of new and interesting. too bad randomization make it shit.
another problem is that everything about the game was known beforehand, leaving near to nothing to explore for the average /vp/ regular shitposter, leading to some kind of frustration.
but, those aside, the game was indeed easier, even without the xp.share, all trainers had their levels lowered, and the radar made rare pokémons easier to get.
that said, I saw nobody complainig about the lack of mach bike puzzles (which were my number one complain from the original games), the fact that you can now have both bikes, the convenience of not having to carry a fly slave or the dex updates... maybe you are way too focussed on what bugs you to see that it is a large improvement over r/s ?
>>24989974 I think you are forgetting the shitty story, the thousand of over-the-top-yet-useless legendary pokémons and, above all, the two full HM slaves you had to carry averywhere because of the *brilliant* game design...
>>24989957 >dont use exp share But that brings another problem. My friend at least doesn't like that the games are too easy now but he also hates that he has to turn off the Exp share in order to get an "harder" experience (more on that later).
His logic is that you purposely miss out on Exp. You are given a tool (the Exp Share), but you "can't" use that tool because it will overlevel your Pokemon far too easy. But if you don't use that tool you limit yourself for a "harder" experience. That can feel under powering.
And it's not like turning off the Exp share will make the game that much harder. A little bit harder, but that's it. Another problem the Gen 6 games seems to have is braindead AI and hilariously bad movesets the Pokemon of the AI have. For example, Maxie's final battle has a Camerupt that doesn't even have STAB moves.
I think having the levels of the AI scale with your Pokemon's levels along with a difficulty setting that changes the AI accordingly (for example, hard mode has smarter AI and Pokemon with more impressive movesets while easy and/or normal mode has what Gen 6 has now). Would go a long way.
That all said, my friend and me did enjoy XY. And while my friend doesn't have ORAS yet (because he's burned out and didn't want to play a main series Pokemon game so soon after XY) he is interested in ORAS.
>>24990000 >His logic is that you purposely miss out on Exp. You are given a tool (the Exp Share), but you "can't" use that tool because it will overlevel your Pokemon far too easy. But if you don't use that tool you limit yourself for a "harder" experience. That can feel under powering.
Maybe you should decide if you want and easy mode or hard mode instead of wanting both at the same time...
>>24990099 well, I did not actually say jotho was an example... it is actually second worse... because of wirlpool and flash amongst other reasons...
but, seriously, rock climb, strength, rock smash and defog (in addition to surf but, this one is ok) just to cross the mountain on the center of the map ? like 4 times or whatever ? if this is not bad design, I don't know what you need...
Of all the remakes, I have enjoyed OR/AS the most. Of all the main games, I happened to enjoy R/S/E the most. I am not at all dissapointed by OR/AS, and while not having the battle frontier is a shame, it didn't upset me in the slightest.
But you know something? VP always has to bitch about everything. Red/Blue(/Green) were objectively the worst games in the series, but they were still fun. Gold/Silver are overrated to the extreme, thanks to having 2 regions, but regardless, they were still fun. R/S are often called out for many reasons, likely because they had the balls to shake things up and try new things - they were still fun. D/P was the land of HM's and crammed in cross gen evos/prevos, but they were still fun. The entire of B/W basically regurgitated itself and slapped a 2 on it, and they were all fun. X/Y has had the smallest increase in Pokemon to date, and introduced a new exp share method that people complain about but for some reason don't turn off - still fun.
You pricks are basically like snobby-ass wine tasters, sampling everything and criticising every minor detail. What has been forgotten in all this circle jerking is that every game has been fun, whether you like the game or not.
If they weren't fun, they wouldn't sell, and VP wouldn't exist because there would be no fanbase. So by all means, circle jerk till the end of time, but never forget that you play because these games are fun.
>>24990119 >balls to shake every generation shake balls, that's a core mechanic...
butt steel, >>24990111 makes a point, every game has its ups and downs, some of them even had one dawn too many, but if we are still here, it's mainly because we all found something to like about those.
I don't think Hoen was worst or more controversial than any other game, every remake bring people to whine about the fact it is too much / too few of the original one without thinking about removing their nostalgia glasses.
just wait for the remakes of X/Y to see if ORAS was that bad...
>>24990000 Holy shit the movesets in ORAS make me so mad. When you can 1v1 Team Aqua's sharpedos with a fucking magcargo you know something's wrong. Compare it to even XY; Lysandre's Gyarados has water stab, outrage, earthquake for electric types, and iron head for fairies, which it can't even get in XY. They put effort into the trainer movesets in XY, so there's no reason they shouldn't have done it in ORAS.
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