>>24986721 Look at hoopa. Its excellent. The genie theme is conveyed excellently through the usage of purple and black colors, the demonic theme through the sharp edges and fine detail to the face, and the six arms really add a layer of dimension. Stupid tail, granted, but overlookable.
Typholosion? Just an oversized weasel with fire shooting out of its back. Nothing else conveys the fire theme, it doesn't look remotely threatening, it's furbait, and it looks disgustingly edgy. If you were going to even begin to argue an over vs under case, you shoulda used quilava or something.
The minor details (ears, warts, claws, etc.) are underplayed and don't distract from the main ideas. This is a good design. Less is more, you want the viewer to understand the point as quickly as possible.
>>24988374 Nidoking is a great example of a good design with alot of details. So is Rhydon. Their complications don't distract from the overall form, and this is done through a limited palette and only adding the details where necessary. The details on his chest divide themselves like armor. The spikes only show up BEHIND Nidoking (with the exception of the horn). The divisions in the arms and legs only show up where joints would bend. Everything flows and points towards the center of the design, making it clear to read, all while being "detailed".
Whatever the new Pokemon is in OP's pic is just a confusing mess, and it's hard to understand exactly what it is without looking at it for an extended period. A good design boils down to conveying a point with as little time as possible.
>>24988351 I'm 100% serious. hoopa is a fantastic design and hopefully it's a mark of an upward trend in quality for the future. typhlosion is garbage and I wish there were some alternate form of eviolite that upped attack and special attack so that actually well designed and cute mons like quilava get their time to shine over their shit evolutions.
I look at hoopa and instantly think evil demon genie. That's what it is. The extraneous details nail the intimidation factor. the muscular body, horns, pointed claws, usage of blue and purple, boom.
I look at typhlosion and think "ok...random fire monster"? Nothing about it conveys fire without the flames on its back. all right, it's got slanted eyes, some fangs, ears look devilish in nature...so is it supposed to be violent? I mean, even its pokedex entries just say "it's hot, it makes heat, it's fiery". boring and repetitive. colors aren't used at all to demonstrate any sort of affiliation. but it's also supposed to be based off a honey badger, so its a fire badger thats also a volcano? not only does that not make sense, it's not really shown whatsoever in the design.
>>24988402 >Whatever the new Pokemon is in OP's pic is just a confusing mess, and it's hard to understand exactly what it is without looking at it for an extended period. A good design boils down to conveying a point with as little time as possible.
I can already make out important details from a cursory glance. It has multiple disconnected arms, like a supernatural figure like the asura. It's relatively demonic, with horns. Its overall details imply an arabian theme.
>>24988434 >>24988418 Take an art class plz. You're reaching for straws. Just because YOU understand it (biased as your intentions may be) doesn't mean it reads clearly in general. Most everyone would be confused if they saw that monstrosity. I can understand what Typhlosion is even from the thumbnail because he's easily readable.
>>24986721 Those two are both cool, anon. The left is a powerful demon god djinn with the ability to move through dimensions and a mischievous temperament. The right is a fucking pissed off honey badger with control over fire and eruptions, and it's more of a wild animal, or something feral and brutal.
They both suit what they're supposed to be, and they're both good designs. Hoopa is supposed to be a god and Typhlosion is supposed to be a wild animal. They both have unkempt hair/fur to show off their power, but with Hoopa you can tell it's because it's a tricky Mon who knows it can wreck your shit, while with Typhlosion because it's wild, angry, and wants to utterly destroy your shit.
If you want something with a lot of unnecessary shit in its design for what it's supposed to be, take a look at Palkia or something, while if you want something utterly undersigned and boring you can check out Seel.
>>24988445 >take an art class No, I'm not a degenerate
>most everyone would be confused if they saw that monstrosity I can clearly tell it's a genie. So can many other people. The lines and arms all focus around the hole in its chest, while the extraneous details like the poofy headgear and exaggerated demonic figures give it it's otherworldly appearance. I can't tell what Nidoking is, though - a big rock purple monster? Sure it's got lines that flow nicely, but what's with it's weird as fuck abdomen? What's up with those massive cartoony ears? Why those awkward kneecaps that look too bulky for the Pokemon to walk? I can't even understand what it actually is without googling.
What this picture displays is contradicting lines of action, directing to different positions of the character and creates overall CLUTTER. I'm not inventing these problems and I didn't intentionally make Pokemon left more chaotic than Pokemon right, I just drew lines through the main parts of both of them. Typhlosion is a better design because he's easily readable, if you dispute this you're just plain wrong, sorry. You can't make fun of art and then ignore the fundamentals. The moment disparaged art/artists is the moment you lost this argument, because you pretty much relinquished your privilege of opinion.
>>24988595 Quilava has an edgy mohawk coupled with typical anime "angry" eyes
The mohawk represents punk, adolescent rebellion, and the eyes use a trope that's recognized almost nearly universally as conveying anger, and when I think of anger in the context of teenage adolescence, yes, I think of "angst," unless you're telling me your teenage hormonal issues were a source of deep existential pain
Typhlosion's eyes are much smaller, however, and don't convey as much emotion, showing a subdued, more controlled hostility. This is coupled with its bared fangs and imposing stance in early sprites
If you'd like to offer a counterargument that actually addresses why you don't think Quilava's design shows these traits, please, go ahead
>>24988651 >Mohawk Ok, fine, pretty sure that was just to enhance the fire theme but whatever, it exists
>angry eyes What, it's big anime eyes are cute if anything
>smaller eyes If anything the in game description and typhlosions general behavior indicate angst, edginess, and uncontrolled rage. The imposing stance and fiery eyes seem to enhance this (i don't get your 'less emotion' bullshit). Seeing as quilavas in game description never shows it as angsty, the 'anger' bit is really only evident in the typhlosion stage of the line.
>>24986721 Over. Yellow Human always bored me to tears, though not as much as Meganium's bland and uninspired look. I like designs that tell a story. Pokemon with multiple ideas and cultural elements behind them are the most interesting ones to me. I like to go from a sense of "whoa, what IS that?" upon reveal to a feeling of "hey, that's pretty cool" when I find out just what a design is supposed to draw from. An underdesign has no secrets. There's no sense of discovery when you begin to explore what inspirations the Game Freak staff drew upon to come up with a bland design.
>>24988653 What? See, this is why you need to opt out of this argument, I literally only drew arrows where the points of interest are, according to design fundamentals. The dick is there, I may have overshot but it's there. In fact, there should be MORE arrows because I forgot the horns and one of the arms. Sorry, but your hoop monster is a bad design (not that you know enough about art to argue anyways).
Calling someone autistic might as well be the new Godwin's Law.
>>24988402 It's probably worth taking context into consideration here. Typhlosion is a fully-evolved starter, meant to be encountered by new players eventually over the course of their journey. Hoopa-Unbound is the super-duper alternate form of a Pokemon that can only be obtained via events and is clearly supposed to stand out among Pokemon. Pic is what Hoopa's primary form looks like.
>>24988685 I agree that the anime eyes are cute, that's the point. They're slanted in addition to this, which traditionally represents anger, readiness to fight, etc. The thing is, because, as you said, they're cute, it's a mixed effect...sort of like looking at a kitten ready to pounce. The kitten's natural instinct is to threaten, but we see it as cute. Sort of the same effect of seeing a middle schooler with a mohawk -- we know they're just trying to create the appearance of being intimidating, and they're not actually that scary
I also like your points about Typhlosion's smaller eyes and Pokedex data. I'm just saying that, in traditional Japanese drawing, the larger, cuter eyes can aesthetically convey more expression and feeling. Smaller eyes simply can't carry that much depth, so they're used instead to represent concentrated emotion. Typhlosion is much angrier, angstier, edgier, and yes, you're right, the angstiest of the line, but the earlier evolutions represent a build-up to this
My main argument is that the Typhlosion line, simple as it is, works because the evolution transitions from child, to teenager, to adult. This may seem like a simple way of looking at it, but it's most effective because the theme of the line (anger) becomes more apparent, and more apparent in different ways, with each evolution
>>24988618 The details don't conflict or clutter though. Hoopa has a fairly straightforward design, with everything focused around the portal in its chest. You've separated Hoopa's relatively simplistic body structure into a bunch of conflicting lines which aren't even part of the actual design, pulled right out of your ass. You're making shit up about Hoopa's body structure and design focus and I doubt you even know the first thing about "art" or whatever. Have you ever actually drawn Hoopa?
>>24988736 The dick is there, but it fits in with the rest of the design, and the body flows into the tail through there. Kind of like drawing a lizard as a snake before adding the limbs, since they are related and all.
>>24988736 >THE DICK IS THERE I'm on a website where a presumably adult male just typed those words into his keyboard without any regret. Jesus fuck.
I've never seen faggotry this intense and intentional, and I've seen gay pride parades march down the road with muscular men in pink Speedos practically 69ing in public. I reiterate: autists goes to artists.
Oh, and if you're crying more about being called an autist, let's just say there's a reason.
>>24986721 That's like asking me if i'd prefer Plain Oatmeal or A Burnt Soufflé: One of them is lazy-ass garbage that clearly shows the chef has neither balls nor creativity enough to try to impress the diner; while the other one shows that the chef doesn't have enough skill to pull of his ambitions and often bites off more than he can chew.
The answer is none of them. I prefer a GOOD design.
>>24988739 Okay, that works. I mean, something like, say, Medicham has slanted eyes and willingness to fight, but it really does feel violent there. With Quilava, the eyes just don't exhibit anger or rage or anything, and I never really pondered the mohawk, so the jump to typhlosion was jarring.
I dunno. I mean chikorita and cyndaquil were the 'cute' ones, and while the meganium design isn't great it still keeps the theme. Same for totodile and feraligatr. Typhlosion just feels out of place and unnecessarily edgy.
I guess let's agree to disagree and leave the thread before shitposters arrive.
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