So i know most of the "games" that this board made like the south american and australian one never go far and crash and burn. But how about one based off a sort of Land of the Lost scenario, you end up on a continent where pokemon never evolved into their modern day counterparts, pokemon would be dinosaurs and prehistoric animals and some would be the ancestors of modern pokemon. Civilization would be small outposts and towns set up for scientific research (provide you with pokeballs and medical supplies) that lie on the coasts, as you go deeper in you get farther from civilization you come across native tribes who are still wary of outsiders they have a prehistoric version of pokeballs and the gym leaders would be chiefs or champions of the village.
>The south american game
But that's still in the works anon
But I'm all for making prehistoric pokedex. But does it have to actually be a game? Can't we just have fun making the region and pokemon and map without needing it to be functioning game? Because that's why people usually abandon these projects.
We could always make a less traditional game. It doesn't have to be "Get 8 badges and beat E4"
It all seems way too convenient that even ancient tribes had pokemon gyms. How about we make just 3 or 4 towns and some dungeons? Maybe an overarching plot about an Aerodactyl or something stealing cattle.
This sounds like a cool idea, but be warned. If you really want this to succeed, you need to be able to put up with oceans of shitposting. As you probably know, when someone dislikes a pokemon idea that a decent number of other people like, they will be sure to let you know and won't stop until they have the last word. I don't see how this project would be able to exclude those types of people.
In fact these projects generally attract the worst type of people, even in the dex stages. The best you can do is hope that there are good people on this board who care about helpful contribution.
But that still requires technical skills of building a game. Which I think is a turn off for me.
I'd much rather we just all collaborate on a pokedex, map, story, gym leaders, moves, etc, but without the end goal of a legitimate working game. I just think that goal is too unrealistic for most posters.
yeah you can do that just a region and pokedex i have some ideas but I cant draw this would need to be more people
yeah that could be one, predistoric sharks were some of the weirdest creatures and had different varieties
I would partake in this. But proabably this, too, will be a lot harder than it seems, seeing as people will ultimately have to be able to form a consensus and the "it's in the game so it's now as final as it gets" method won't work. It's either going to be brutal democracy or shitpost galore.
Shitpost will obviosuly also occur during the democratic process.
How? Through a wiki? Pastebin? Since there will be disagreements and this 'project' would be open-ended in terms of practical application it's hard to imagine we'll be able to lean back and call it done. The dex maybe, but probably not stuff like abilities, movesets or stats.
I'm not saying it isn't worth a shot regardless. Even without finalisation, it could be fun.
a dunkleosteus water/ rock or steel to simulate its armoured hide perhaps
pterodactyl could be flying/ fire, and will evolve into that huge quetzacoaltus
raptor grass who could evolve into a grass/ dragon perhaps. it would start out as a small velociraptor, then evolve into a utahraptor
OP here, k so the world would obviously be based off Pangea distribution of climates would something to be discussed later
other thing to note what would be the number of pokemon, I would vote for 165 since dinosaurs roamed the earth for about 165 million years before their extinction
Not nublar or sorna island?
Shit taste desu senpai
also again this is the brainstorming phase there are no finalizations, we need more support if this were to get going especially artists i cant draw for shit though i have resources.
Yeah, it'd have to be based off of Pangea, or a complete fabricated island if we want it to be more of a Lost World type location.
Before we start anything I think we need to decide 1. Is there a time travel element involved? Are they literally going back in time to an island full of extinct pokemon? Or 2. Is this an island where prehistoric pokemon are still around like The Lost World. Or 3. Is Jurassic Poke Park, where they've cloned them all. My personal vote is for 2, that way we can have a lot of fun stuff like fantastical pyramids and classic adventure type stuff.
Also, how do we handle the rock type issue? We'd need to figure out why all the fossilmon in the games are always rock type. Is it because only rock type fossils survive, because all prehistoric pokemon were rock type, or does the resurrecting process make that pokemon rock type? This is under the assumption that we want pokemon from other generations in it.
>a dex of 165
Good idea anon. But I hope that doesn't count already existing pokemon, if we're including them. Since X and Y, I've really grown attached to the idea of a big dex. I'd say 165 new pokemon, and then add all pokemon that would fit the prehistoric theme.
I think for simplicity's sake, though, we might be better off only having new pokemon.
I can draw regional maps, as long as we're not going to do a real game. My map skills do not include using the templates of existing games, I either make my own or hand draw a template-less map.
I'd be better for the conceptual stage, as I can also make outlines of maps for towns and routes as well. For anything else though, for drawing pokemon and stuff, I can't do shit.
I made a design for a sort of Fire/Flying or Fire/Rock Pterodactyl starter, also with a fancy background. It's the first time I've ever done a Fakemon "seriously", so suggestions to make the design better are always appreciated.
I really love the idea of a Jurassic Park/Dinosaur themed region, so if there's anything I can help on I'll be around
OP again, yeah i think the only way this will work is just make the dex, region, gyms, basic plot etc etc. Im also voting for an isolation type scenario, due to it's geographical location the region was sheltered away from mass extinctions that wiped out prehistoric pokemon in the rest of the world, due to stable climate and environmental conditions and lack of genetic drift of pokemon from different lands the native pokemon on the island relatively stayed the same for millions of years.
For the dex i would still like 165 but new ones can be added later down the road, just 165 being the starting number. And these would be all new pokemon except for ancient ones from other games like aerodactyl etc since they never went extinct on this island.
Plot wise a big reason there would be no pokemon from other games on the island aside from the islands location is that the research teams are forbidden from bringing modern pokemon onto the island for fear introduced species would contaminate the environment and disrupt the ecosystem, there are a select handful modern pokemon in the camps like chansey for healing or houndooms for protection but they are for practical use or companionship and have to be approved by the administrative committee running the operation, they are also not allowed outside the compounds.
also working title is pokemon amber (up for debate)
it's a good start, when i was thinking of a fire pteradactyl, I thought of pteradactyl for first stage it's evlution would be rhamphorhynchus
which is in the pic, and the final would be quetzalcoatlus
also forgot, the rock element is non existant in the living variations, it's discovered that cloning from fossils gives the pokemon the rock type attribute, though there are true rock pokemon living on the island. the scientists are still learning stuff about the pokemon on the island
I think all that would need to be decided through surveys. But right now we need to see if there are enough people really interested in it.
If we really want to do this, first step would be making a wiki and and outline of the steps of process we need to accomplish.
How long did it take you to make those?
I like the final stage, I think the first stage could work, but not as a starter. The wing arms are too 'unique' for a starter, I guess is the best way to describe it.
>I guess the dunkleosteus would be the obvious water starter
What about a hadrosaur? It could even end up being called Hydrosaur
I think the starters should be iconic animals. Dunkleosteus doesn't match that bill, IMO. I'd vote for a Hadrosaur or a Plesiosaur, but Lapras exists. For the grass, I'd say Stegosaurus, raptor for fire.
plesiosaurs could be the ancestors of lapris and could exist in game same with several others sarcosuchus being feralligator's ancestor
ambulocetus and Basilosaurus= wailords
megalodon/other prehistoric shars= sharpedos
eryops and diplocalus= all ampbibian pokemon
cave bears, sabre tooths, dire wolves= bea, cat and dog pokemon actually we can even go further back and use Miacids too which are the ancestors of them all (parrallel to miacids bieng the ancestor of the carnivora order)
titanoboa= ekans, arbok and seviper
because of the location these pokemon gave rise to their modern day descendants.
i was actually gonna make the hadrosaurs the Evee equivalent since hadrosaurs had a variety of head gear. with the base form being an anatosaurus, and giving it a water stone would make it a parasurolophus, a grass stone would make it a corythosaurus, and a fire stone would make it a lambeosaurus
argentavis (biggest bird ever) could be the ancestor of fearow/ pidgeot/ a bunch of flying types
it might have been the inspiration for the thunderbird legend, so making it electric would be cool, but that might crash with zapdos
Hybodus that evolves into an Edestus, and then Megalodon for the Water starter.
Triceratops that evolves into a Nasutoceratops and then a Styracosaurus for the Grass starter.
Velociraptor that evolves into a Pyroraptor that evolves into a Troodon for the Fire starter.
In total, it took me 4 hours, mostly because the colouring took 3 fucking hours, picking the colours was hard.
Also, what if the first stage had, instead, small wings on its back, which would fuse with the wings by the final stage?
Would the whole evo line have the 4 wings, or just the first one/first two?
I'll keep it in mind, for now I'm off to bed
I know; I tried making a Pterodactyl+Quetzalcoatlus line, but it came off as just "it gets bigger"
How about a Deinosuchus>Metriorynchus>Mosasaurus water starter that gets dark in the final stage?
It could just walk on it's fins.
I'm all-in on the fire pterosaurus idea, and I guess the grass one could be for example Leptoceratops/Psittacosaurus->Protoceratops->Styracosaurus/Triceratops with the quills and later horns being leafs or some other grass things.
Don't think they're really iconic enough.
Basically my whole thing is that the starters should be basic iconic prehistoric animals. Raptor for the fire, Triceratops or Stegosaurus for grass, and maybe a Plesiosaur/Mosasaur for the water. Or some type of Hadrosaur. I'd also suggest a Sauropod but we have Amaura, which is blue and ice type so it's a little too close.
Omanyte as the regional tentacool stand-in? It has to be an ammonite.
We need something annoying to fill the caves with.
Yanmega should get an arthropleura counterpart.
Can we change the typing of existing fossil pokemon on the argument that they're rock because they were revived?
Amaura is just one sauropod, there were other far more iconic than amargasauus.
As for the water starter, crocodile ->Baryonyx->Spinosaurus seems iconic as fuck.
Excuse the bad quality, I took this when I had no internet to use but I made a water raptor starter awhile back that would evolve into a spinosaurus. I think raptors play the iconic role, and spinosaurus were said to hunt in/near water .
This actually looks really nice.
Maybe the middle stage would be Baryonyx based with a very low crest and only one claw on each hand really big, and then Spinosaur with all claws big and a huge crest.
Give it awesome stats but no more moves?
I hope he will design all fossil Pokémon in the future.
fossilmons should definitely have new typing combinations to replace Rock, maybe with tweaked colors and new moves to reflect the changes
Cradily is grass type, first of all. It has nothing to do with insects, so you might as well make it Grass/Water. Omastar should be pure water type. And Archeops probably Flying/Ground or Normal/Flying.
Wish we could bring back some of the PokeAus entries for reuse.
Legendary meteor mon
Water/Ground plesiosaur w island elements
Ground/Dark terror bird
Ghost mon based on fossils/tarpits
Bug/Dragon mega yanmega
Grass/Poison mega tangrowth
Terror bird would make a good fighting/dragon type
What about the original Genesect?
The original superpredator being Bug/Rock or something.
>Flying/Dark Anurognathus working as annoying Zubat-like analogues in heavy forested areas, probably evolves into a larger Ramphorynchus.
>Dragon/Poison Megalania (Slow as fuck, massive defense and attack)
>Ground/Water Diprotodon (packs Sap Sipper)
>Grass or Grass/Dragon Therizinosaurus
>Water/Dark Helicoprion that evolves into a Megalodon
>Normal/Flying Haast Eagle/Teratorn
>Dark/Fighting Terror Bird
What if ancient Magikarp is a Xiphactinus?
rock (or steel)/ water dunkleosteus
grass megatherium as the acestor of slaking
poson/ steel (because of the name) titanboa?
Tried to re-do the first one from >>24975306
Anurognathus' wings are like this, which is the animal I was thinking of when I suggested 4 wings.
Does anyone want to make a survey?
We need ask some of the basic questions like
>1. What's the backstory behind this region? Did people use a time machine, is it some sort of lost world, or did scientists resurrect them as fossilmon?
Whatever responses we get, that'll be the direct we head in the future. It's a good place to start
>2. How to we want to handle existing fossilmon and their rock types? Do we get rid of their rock type and give them a new type?
This needs to be asked because the game doesn't explain why all fossilmon are rock type.
>3. What should be base the map off of?
>4. How many new pokemon should we introduce?
The current idea is 165.
>5. Do we want to have pokemon from previous generations included?
>6. Should the existing pokemon only be fossilmon, or should we introduce existing pokemon that have a prehistoric theme but not necessarily a fossilmon (Swinub, for example)
I can make the survey later if no one else does, but I'm not going to be online for a good portion of the day.
Also, if you have any other ideas for questions that we should start with, this would be a good time to say them. I don't think we should ask about starters in the first survey though.
Ambulocetus >> Basilosaurus >> Livyatan melvillei
If you include any previous pokemon it should be the ancient ones.
Aside from that, just make pokemon and stop making it so structured. The more structured you make it the less fun it is.
So just make a bunch of pokemon and say fuck the rest. If you aren't making a game, then who cares?
You're going to ignore me, that's fine.
But if you make this a project and not something fun, your little idea will die.
I've worked on Sage before. Your idea is fucking cooked the minute you make this a hassle. Keep it fun and keep it high energy otherwise your idea will die in roughly a month when no one wants to put up with your bullshit.
Get your butthurt fucking shit out of here. You'll get to answer those questions when I make the survey. I'm not against your idea, I just thought misread what I was saying so I clarified that that wasn't the survey.
I've worked on both Sage and PokeAus too, you special snowflake. And this isn't my idea, I'm just offering help. So go fuck yourself.
>pokemon never evolved into their modern day counterparts
Do you even understand what evolution is?
>hey, let's all work together and make a project!
>But fairly voting on things? Lame city!
Okay, if everyone seriously thinks that we shouldn't do surveys of any kind, then fine by me. But I have no idea how else we would be able to correctly agree with each other.
Instead of gym leaders, what if there were tribal leaders who specialized in their environment? Their teams would be based on habitat and lore rather than typing. A non fakemon example could be like a swamp witch with a carnivine, yanmega, lampent, and murkrow. Maybe to fit the prehistoric theme the leaders could be things like the guy who discovered fire or a blind hermit or a feral dinosaur person or some shit.
It's not that surveys are bad, it's that you want to keep it loose and creative and fun. Don't turn down any designs, just go with what people like. If people say it's shit, then keep working and tinkering until everyone loves it
That'd be good. Just need an outline for the island/region/wherever this'll be.
Just drawed up some random shapes, as I don't know if the region will be based off of anything specific.
What if all of the pokemon in this game were somehow connected to modern ones (pre evolution, evolution, mega, primal, designed as a clear ancestor)? The vast majority of purely original fakemon are terrible, this way our artists and critiques would have a firm starting point. It is just an imaginary fangame after all, and it'd set our dex apart from the 10 other vp games.
I know it's sort of autistic, but I always had the idea of prehistoric versions of the Kanto starters. One stage pokemon that are Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise with spiced up designs. By spiced up, I mean like Mega evolution designs.
We have shit like dog-Zygarde and Ash Greninja now, so I can't imagine it'd be more autistic than those things.
the substitution of "autistic" for "timidly trying to be creative" on this website is frustrating. there's definitely a good amount of weirdos on here but there's nothing wrong with sharing pokemon related ideas on a pokemon forum. your idea is cool, you should try drawing them
Just post shit and keep honing it. At some point you will have to survey it, but if you make this a rigid process, it will become a pain in the ass and people will stay away. Just have fun drawing pokemon and making your continent anon.
>At some point you will have to survey it
I know that's why what I've been saying. You're the one arguing against it.
I'm sorry if I cam off as 'rigid', I'll try to sound more fun next time I talk about a survey. Otherwhise you're arguing about nothing, as we're on the same side.
What does Sandslash have anything to do with an Ankylosaurus other than having a shell-like back?
If we do stuff like that, we shouldn't go too crazy with it. I'd much rather have new lines of pokemon with those concepts rather than taking older pokemon and throwing a prehistoric themed alt. evo at them. For a few of them, it might be interesting, but those examples aren't good IMO.
This is changing the concept. Unless it comes with some sort of unique evolution method that somehow got 'lost' through time, then giving new pokemon prehistoric evolution woulf ruin the isolated prehistoric feel I thought we were going for.
Alright guys, not OP, but I made a survey. Since one of you guys got grumpy about surveys I'm going to ask before I post it. Should I post it now or wait a bit longer?
I asked three simple questions, just to start us off with. I thought they were important to ask because it'd really help us get a tiny bit of focus for us to go wild with in the future.
I totally agree.
My idea would be separate Pokemon that look a bit like iconic Pokemon. I would just keep it to the Kanto Starters and maybe Pikachu. Call them "Proto-Venusaur, Proto-Charizard, Proto-Blastoise" etc. They'd be one-stage.
I think It'd be kind of fun, honestly.
I enjoy designing pokemon for these things, but that's just the thing; I only like the designing. Not the other aspects of making a full game. I wish there were just pokedex-making projects on /vp/ so that we could just have fun. Would be less drama too since it wouldn't be as much of a massive undertaking.
That's sort of what we're doing, as of now. We're doing more than just Pokedex but it seems the general opinion is that we're not going to make a functioning video game.
I too find dex making incredibly fun, I just wish I could draw.
So many artists worked on them redrawing them it's hard to pinpoint. I think I can only recall one person who ever authenticated themselves.
It's possible you could take the idea and just redraw it though since nobody can truly claim it belongs to them.
Hallucigenia pokémon. Psychic/Water, is my suggestion, with confusion moves.
Surely it wouldn't be that difficult to make a rom hack with these ideas. You could go for a simple open world design with limited scripting, and just go through to fight however many gyms and then go to the E4.
Or even X badges before fighting a legendary.
Semi-aquatic, you dingus. Not a single water starter has been aquatic. Hence Baryonyx and spinosaurus being good choices. The line should only be raptor-esque though. That'll keep it iconic without keeping us from doing a more conventional dromeosaurid later.
Semi-aquatic, right, that's what I meant. And if you read what I wrote, I liked the spino/Bary approach. I just disagreed with the raptor.
Because of Jurassic Park 3, I'd say Spinosaurus is iconic enough.
So, regarding the question of fossils. I have always, i.e. since gen one, considered the rock-type to be a bi-product of the defossilisation process. The reason being that rock types tend to look like rock types fairly unambiguously, except for a majority of fossils. But maybe that's just me.
But even if we keep the typing, I'd be in favour of subtly tweaking their designs so they still feel like 'precursors' in a way.
Looking at the responses of the survey so far, that's what everyone seems to be agreeing with.
If we change the typing, I really don't think we need to change the designs at all honestly, except for something like Mega Aerodactyl, which has rock spikes. The rest of them don't have rock-like features on them.
>If we change the typing, I really don't think we need to change the designs at all
Perhaps not. And there might well be some, like perhaps Cradily, that could remain rock type. But that will have to be decided on a case by case basis.
Also, how many replies?
At this point, only four people have taken the survey. But I think that's pretty good considering I thought there were less people actually interested in this, and I only posted it a couple hours ago.
Considering this is most likely not going to be a conventional eight gym setup designed to help the player progress, I'm all for the "gym leaders" being potentially fightable in a random order. However, depending on their characters, I doubt they have a deliberately low-levelled gym team ready for you and challenging them too soon will inevitably result in failure.
Depending on how level curves are treated, I think it's totally possible to do. Of course I don't mean you can take on #8 as your first leader, but some midgame variety would be fun.
Blaine, Sabrina, and Koga all had Pokemon in the late 30s and early 40s in gen 1, and the one thing Kanto did very well was allow you to go around in nearly any order.
sandslash is a mammal anklyosaurs are reptiles, while it is true that reptiles evolved into mammals that huge of a jump wouldnt make sense, an animal like a glyptodon which has close relations to pangolins and armadillos which shanshrew/sanslash were based off of would make more sense.
Op here i was thinking about that another possible thing to add to account for ghost types could be pokemon based on dead civilizations aztec, babylonian, rome etc or early fetishes of early human culture. other than that we could just make ghost type dinosaurs.
Why not simply give a spooky looking dinosaur/prehistoric creature ghost typing?
pic related (frill shark)
What about a Echinoidea evolving into a Hallucigenia? I think they both originated in the Paleozoic
I think echinoderms have been around longer but yeah that could work
maybe use this as a pre evo vetulocystis catebata
though i guess an urchin works too
I'll give permission if anyone wants to use this design. Tried to incorporate samurai armour into it, so it could be half fighting type.
Here's another version someone did up for me.
Well, you gotta have ferns.
I didn't draw this, but it was from a failed project I worked on a few years ago. Might help as inspiration.
Therizinosaurus was pretty bad-ass. I'd want it to have some kind of crazy additional superpower and not just long claws. Like psychic or ice type or something.
>the issue isn't the group behind it, its the location
/tg/ has a phrase "/tg/ gets shit done" but if you look at it, it's either one guy asking for help on something he is doing all the hard work on OR one guy doing all the hard work first and then just showing it off.
If this is our project and not your project, it's going to just be a dream. Forever.
This is a good jumping point for a theory I posted years ago regarding the grass starters.
Up to this point its obvious all water starters have been amphibious, the prevailing theory is that the fire starters are all representative of the chinese zodiac... but the grass starters?
They're all prehistoric animals in chronological order from the Triassic era through to the Pleistocene (so far)
-Venusaur- Triassic "doglike" reptiles: Uralosaurus or Rabidosaurus
-Meganium- early Jurassic Sauropod; Camarasaurus or Apatosaurus
-Sceptile- Jurassic Theropod; Dilophosaurus considering it's popularized connection to venom per JP
-Torterra- Cretaceous Ankylosaur
Serperior- This one was tough at first, until I learned that snakes first appeared in the fossil record during the late Cretaceous
Chesnaught- Pleistocene era; Glyptodont, a giant armadillo.
If this is in fact the trend, my guess for the next starter would be a Smilodon (sabre-tooth tiger), Grass and Dark perhaps?
I don't mind following this trend. But the Chinese Zodiac thing holds no water considering Cyndaquil has to be forcefully shoehorned in. Still fun.
Grass/Dark sounds a bit predictable too. What other type could a sabretooth tiger have? Fighting? Steel? Normal, even?
im gonna play with the concept of a water gun a litte more to get the final design
you can apply color as you like i need to sleep is 4am here kek hope you like what i did
might be the for the best unless we just apply psychic to some dinosaurs that fit the part
also Cryolophosaurus ice type, and compsagnathas evolving into either something like celophysus, gallimimus/struthiomimus or plateosaurus as the rattata of the region.
also another good water starter would be Nothosaurus evolving maybe into a Tanystropheus
also some water reptiles to considure is the mosasaurs like tylosaurus and mosesaurus versus the pliosaurs like Kronosaurs and lioplueredon
This design kind of reminds me of how when I was a little kid, during long trips we'd past those big oil pump things and I always thought they looked like Parasaurolophus. I don't know what they're called, does anyone know?
Anyway, I think that'd make a good concept for a dino-themed Pokemon because of the shape and also because of oil.
Personally, if we want these 'proto' pokemon then they shouldn't have that much of a different design.
But I really don't like the idea if they work like normal evolutions or mega evolutions. It's the exact opposite that should be happening IMO.
The thing is, we don't really know if smilodon had a mane or not (since we just have bones to go from), and it doesn't have any modern descendants (it's actually not really closely related to tigers at all).
Personally, I'd even try making the mane bigger, at least to see if it makes it look wilder.
may be make the mane closer and around the face and neckor give it a ridge of fur along it's back, im not sure if the colors are needed either again we want subtle hints so maybe like the face and paws be a different shade of blue again just suggestions
This. Survey guy here. No one has answered my questions on when exactly they want me to reveal the results so I haven't done so already.
If no one answers me otherwise, I'll just post them in a few hours.
I would like to say that a reveal at around 20 votes would be appropriate. But I suppose it's been long enough and having an idea might hhelp the spitballing process.
Post when you deem the results useful, surveyanon.
It's not 20 yet, but I have feeling it'd take awhile to get there. It was intended to be a quick survey for what you said, to help with the spitballing process.
I'll post them now.
Survey #1 Results!
Remember to put the dot in the space between monkey and com anons. If that link doesn't work, let me know.
You can check the full response yourself, if the link works correctly, but I'll post the winners.
>What is the backstory of our Pokemon region?
A Lost World of prehistoric Pokemon on an island isolated from the rest of the world.
>Do we want to include Pokemon from other generations? Do they HAVE to be fossilmon or prehistoric themed?
Yes, but only fossilmon and Pokemon that fit the prehistoric theme
>Under the assumption that we want to include Fossilmon from other generations, how do we want to handle the issue of rock type? All current Fossilmon are rock type, and the reason is not currently explained. Why do you think Fossilmon are always rock type?
During the resurrection process, they gain the rock type
The results mean that 1. We have an original island which exists in the modern Pokemon world where an island of still living prehistoric pokemon live. 2. We can include pokemon from other generations, as long as it makes sense for the region. 3. We have to retype all fossilmon.
In total 13 people did the survey. Thanks for answering everyone!
>3. We have to retype all fossilmon
Not necessarily. It may well be that a pokémon was rock-type before fossilisation, too. Cradily and Armaldo could both easily be interpreted as rock type independent of being fossils, but they could also be given a slight design overhaul. It will ultimately be a matter of preference.
When I answered the third question, I didn't get that it was supposed to mean "should we retype all fossil pokemon", but rather "should all the prehistoric pokemon be part rock type, just because the fossils in the games are".
I agree, it's possible they were still rock type before ressurection. Same with Rampardos, who is pure rock type.
It's both. But since we went with the fact that the rock type is gained through them being fossils, that means not all of the fossilmon had the rock type. So, naturally, at least some of the fossilmon would need to change typing.
added fur and shiet on a new sketch, while making it bulkier like a smilodon. might continue on it tomorrow
we could always let some be rock, while changing the type of some, like amaura
some like kabuto/ kabutops, omanyte/omastar and tirtoga and carracosta could just be plain water, and sinc armaldo is technically an anomalocaris which were water it could be bug/water anlos the dex say they lived by water too.
shieldon and bastodon can still have rock type or it could be ground, aero could be flying or flying/dragon
fattened the head and got rid of the things on the mane
Oh shit someone should make a wiki or at least save the art and current ideas somewhere. I'm already handling the surveys. Anyone else want to give this a shot? We'd need to do it before this thread reaches it's limit.
Taken from an NPC from X/Y, might be an interesting notion to keep in mind:
>Traditionally Pokémon battles were a ritual that people and Pokémon used to learn about and accept one another.
Honestly, dogs and especially ones like Stoutland are practicaly synonymous with breeding. If we have a canine ancestor, it should look nothing like Stoutland.
I'd rather give the typings without caring for weaknesses/viability, it's too easy to end up with more than half the dex being steel type pseudolegendaries
Water/Bug Anorith & Rock/Bug Armaldo?
Also any consensus about fairies and megas?
Fairies, sure. They are a naturally occuring type after all. Could be quite rare, though.
Megas, no. They require certain stones, so I guess maybe the player could stumble over them. But having mega bracelets seems something a little too 'modern'. Could have an equivalent though.
>Water/Bug Anorith & Rock/Bug Armaldo
I'm okay with this. Going through the fossils, here's what I'd reckon:
Pure Water or Water/Rock
Pure Bug or Bug/Rock (or maybe even Dark)
Grass/Rock or Grass/Ground, though I prefer the prior
Steel, Fighting or Fighting/Steel
Steel, Ground or Steel/Ground
Flying/Dragon or, to break the mold, pure Flying?
Dragon or Dragon/Fighting
Ice, Ice/Dragon or even Ice/Fairy
As for the custom fossils, I suggest them being either purely mineral-based, highly simple (as in very simlple lifeforms), or if those sound too weak legendary or pseudo-legendary.
We need one of these as a predecesor to Donphan
I think we're getting way to carried away with this primal pokemon form stuff. We should maybe 5 pokemon at most to have these forms and keep the rest of the pokemon original.
I say keep Rock/Flying, because of it's Mega
Pure Grass, or Grass/Water as it's based on an underwater plant
Since it's pure rock type, keep it rock type.
Normal/Flying or make it Ground/Flying or keep it Rock/Flying
No need to make them too special, just keep it simple IMO.
The fossil Pokemon aren't part rock because of the fossilization process. They got fossilized because they were part rock. What type would Cranidos be? And as a side note, why in the heck would you take away Kabuto/tops' water type. It plays a huge role in its design and its dex entries.
>The fossil Pokemon aren't part rock because of the fossilization process. They got fossilized because they were part rock
Not according to the result of the survey, which is why that question was asked.
The survey showed, which was pretty much slide by the way, that the rock type was gained when they were resurrected because of the fossils.
Personally I would agree with you in that regard, but the decision was made.
>What type would Cranidos be?
It's pure rock type which means, to me, it was rock type before it was a fossil.
>With an special stone that came in a meteorite you can evolve the prehistoric version into the one of the future
Let's say we have a prehistoric pikachu with its own prehistoric evolution but you can choose with this stone make him a normal pikachu. (This would be possible if the prehistoric version is based on a real pokemon obsly)
we are not sure how many of these pokemon would have modern day descendants, it probably be best to get some more pokemon going before we actually start seeing which ones would have modern day descendants, and technically we only have the sabretooth and that is still up for debate whether it would have a modern descendant or be it's own thing.
Water or Fire Raptor that evolves into Spino if Water or some other Raptor if Fire.
Grass Therizino or Ankylosaurus
If no Water Raptor then a Water Hybodus that evolves into Megalodon.
Question: if a prehistoric creature (a trilobite, for example, or Tyrannosaurus Rex) already has a pokemon based on it, can we still have a fakemon based on it? Because I really like trilobites.
Evil team should have genetically engineered a Pokemon from prehistoric Pokemon DNA a la Mewtwo and use it to come and reap the rare Pokemon from this land with it.
Okay, I think we need to settle this.
1) How many people are interested in this and would actively partake in discussion, spitballing, critique? I.e. how many ideaguys do we have?
2) How many people are seriously interested and would contribute stuff like concepts and/or designs, map suggestions, move suggestions, stat distribution suggestions, region-specific lore suggestions etc and partake in their overall integration (i.e. don't just post something and leave)?
To make this easy to see, post a reply saying either (1) or (2) or both so we can gauge interest and see whether this is worth keeping up.
1 and 2. I'm doing both. I can also draw maps sketches, although I'm not confident in my map skills enough to say that I can make a finalized version of the map.
I'm also the survey guy. Do you want me to make this a survey?
OP here i'm game for brainstorming suggestions , i cant draw but I do have research material but I can do lore etc. I'm not too good with stats but I do have move ideas.
also I know we have 165 as pokemon number but maybe we should have a small pool of supplementary pokemon that are good but probably wouldn't make the 165 (with all the ancient plants and animals we will probably exceed that number and some good submissions will be cut) roster these could be "added " on the small islands surrounding the main region (these islands could have the geographical shape of the Jurassic park islands).
also 3 things
1. we should probably create a list of dinosaurs/prehistoric animals we want to see and maybe vote on which would make it into the 165.
2. open a discussion on legendaries what should they be should we make our own or just continue the legendary birds, beasts, regi line
(personally I think the birds and beasts didn't come around yet but the Regi's could be eternal golems that have existed since the dawn of pokemon)
3. I have a submission for one NPC the gentleman is a scientist who was denounced by the scientific community especially since he proposed pokemon evolution be renamed metamorphosis since it doesn't follow the tenants of evolution a (subtle jab at how anime fucks up the concept of evolution) so he decided to run away and ended up on the island with his own secret lab doing research in solitude. Some minor side notes on the character he is a little crazy and cosplays as other fictional and real world scientists ie Doc Brown, Bill Nye, Beakman, Rick Sanchez, Professor Farnsworth. Also he has a an Agumon he keeps in a research pen in back, he never says where or how he got it all he says is "the world isn't ready for the stuff i've seen"
Survey Guy here. I disagree with number one. I think we should have artists create what they want based on ideas we through at each other, and creating a list forcing artists to draw just wouldn't be much fun. It's not collaborative IMO. Also because not all of these pokemon should be just based off of animals, there are always pokemon based off of nonliving things as well as plants in Pokemon. It works for the starters and legendaries, but I don't think we should do the whole process like that.
Well, a few people seem interested though not many.
>Do you want me to make this a survey?
Nah, it's easier to see in-tread. But thanks for the offer.
>I know we have 165
I see what you mean with the regis, but think of the region. Most legendaries are region-specific even if their lore encompasses more. Why would the regis be hanging around on Jurassic Island?
Not sure if world-mixing suits the style, but I like the notion of a pokemon professor advocating for use of the term metamorphosis and actually studying pokemon evolution.
However, I'd also be all for the region having no professor at all.
What if the main character's parents are professors, and that's why you visit the island in the first place? Then you go to each little settlement, some are research bases and others newly made towns (maybe some ancient Indiana Jones-esque ancient city?) which hold the gyms and elite four.
That's one way of doing it - having the setting be one of a freshly discovered world where the pokemon league is only just beginning to set foot and where most things are unexplored. I could imagine earlier gyms being either completely modern or 'civilised' natives, while they become increasingly more primordial as it goes. The elite four may be so in name only and not, as it were, as an institution.
Another approach would be to have the setting be isolated from the start. Have the protagonist be native and have the journey mirror a modern conventional one without actually being so. You know, different types of pokeball and items, different settings for 'gyms' and 'badges' and, of course, pokemon centers and PCs.
Either could be interesting.
I am a prehistoric animal guy. Like, obsessively into them.
I want to help. What sort of help is needed? Is there a google docs or anything in the way of organization yet or is this still in the very first stages?
Survey guy here. I thought about making a wiki but no one replied to my post about it. I think making a wiki or pastebin is a good idea.
Someone should also be saving all the images somewhere. Eventually this thread will have reached it's limit and we'll everything saved and archived.
meh it may kpick up steam once artwork starts flowing in, would anyone be interested in doing a giganotasaurus no idea what types it would be
Bumping with major interest.
Just a quick suggestion... how about having the starters based off creatures from different geological ages instead of just dinosaurs or ice age mammals?
>Fire type could be Pyroraptor>Deinonychus>Utahraptor
>Grass could be Plesiadapis>Dinopithecus>Gigantopithecus
>Water could be Tiktaalik>Eryops>Dimetrodon or Gorgonopsid
Just a little idea for how the story might work
>Start in modern times
>Evil Team Insert Name goes to the past to do some diabolical shit
>Somehow you get chosen to go in after them by good guys
>Maybe get sent back by accident
>Maybe you accidentally get roped into the whole thing
>Would be a few other good guys you would run into along the way in the past
>Stores and Healing centers are good guy hideouts where they bring in supplies and fight the good fight
I dunno just thinking off the top of my head. I was thinking this whole time, "Where would they get pokeballs?" but then realized you could do something simialar to apricorns
oh fuck, yes
this is the perfect format to project my autistic headcanon onto
what if some of these prehistoric pokemon were designed to be the common ancestor of certain modern day pokemon?
pokemon with similar physiologies are presumably distant relatives like humans and chimpanzees
ideas for ancestors:
you get the idea