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Why does GF hate grass types so much, /vp/?
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Why does GF hate grass types so much, /vp/?
>almost no physically offensive Pokemon
>the most common thread on decent grass types is that they have no coverage
>"specialty" is supposed to be spreading status despite every Pokemon being able to learn Toxic
>A large portion of their abilities go off the sun which makes their main weakness even stronger
>only one grass type gets a bonus from the rain for some reason
>the type they're supposed to stop, Water, checks them easily since every water type can learn Ice Beam/Punch
>too few resistances to be considered a defensive type and piss poor as an offensive type
Grass Pokemon are some of the best designed in the series but are nigh impossible to use save for a select few. How do we fix grass type, /vp/?
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Just make better Grass types. We know Game Freak can make really good Grass mons already, just make more that reap the benefits.
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>>24966964
>the type they're supposed to stop, Water, checks them easily since every water type can learn Ice Beam/Punch
this is common thing though,like how Psychics and normal types all learn things like shadow ball/claw/sneak. Things have been improving for grass types while ice has nothing and will forever get nothing
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>>24966964
by Creating aPokémon moves known as "Grass Punch" and Grass Tail.

Making a Mother Nature Pokémon.
Grass/fairy (type).
Grass/fire (type)
Grass/ground (type)
Grass/flying (type)
Grass/poison (type)
Grass/ice (type)
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Grass type should resist Fairy, or be immune to it.
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>almost no physically offensive Pokemon
Except all the good ones like Ferrothorn, Breloom, Trevenant?

>too few resistances to be considered a defensive type and piss poor as an offensive type
The resistances are fine. The abundance of common weaknesses is the only problem. Ground, Water, and Electric resistances are all amazing. If Fire and Ice didn't commonly accompany those types. And Flying wasn't the cancer of the metagame right now.

Really just take away some of those and we'd be good. Breloom would be amazing if it wasn't for Talonflame. Chesnaught could probably have a place in OU
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>>24966964
Defensively it has really fucking gay resistances that makes it good. Ground resist is god tier. Electric and water are good.
FIVE WEAKNESSES is what makes it shit.

Maybe fuckoff the flying and ice weaknesses, give ice a defensive buff to compensate.

>>24966992
>Trevenant
>Good
heh
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Make it neutral to flying and resistant to fairy. Also, make m sceptile physical
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>>24966985
>grass punch
Sounds stupid
Just buff needle arm
Less pokemon will get it, but it's still not as dumb as Grass Punch
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>>24966992
>Chesnaught could probably have a place in OU
lol
Talonflame is far from being Chesnaught's only problem
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>give more grass types Earth Power to compensate for their fire weakness
Or make up some Rock move for them to get
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>>24967026
Chesnaught is high UU with a fair amount of use in OU.

Just because it has some issues with other things doesn't mean it isn't hugely effective against common things like Azumarill, Landorus and Lopunny. It's one of the few things who resists the Rock/Ground combo.
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>>24966985
>>24967015
What about Fruit Punch?
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>>24967035
>Azumarill
buddy

no
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>>24967036
Fucking kek
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>>24967035
>Azumarill used any fairy type move
>it's super effective
>Chesnaught explodes in a bloody mess
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>>24967036
Shit, you got me.
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>>24967036
Much better
More fruit Pokemon when?
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>>24967036
Sounds good.
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>>24967040
>>24967052
Chesnaught should outspeed and OHKO Azu with Wood Hammer.
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>>24966998
Oh yeah, nerf ice's ONLY selling point in its offensive capability, I know this isn't a nice thread but ice needs love just as much as grass
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>>24970819
>give ice a defensive buff to compensate
Ice's offensive properties are better used by non-ice types, but defensive qualities can only be used by ice types.

No longer rock weak and resists ground and flying. There its viable to run avalugg now.
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Since almost every water type can learn Ice Beam, it should be balanced out by more grass types getting Earth Power and more fire types getting Energy Ball
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>>24971110
More fire types with thunderbolt*

Come on now, the other two aren't getting fire moves. Why should fire get grass?
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>>24966992
>Breloom would be amazing if it wasn't for Talonflame
Funny thing is, Breloom acts as a Talonflame deterrent.

Come in on something that you can beat out or Spore
If Talonflame switches in, you respond with Rock Tomb which is 90 BP due to Technician. Sash takes the BB and then youre guaranteed a dead bird AND a sleeping opponent, plus you can probably get at least one more mach or drain punch in.
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>>24971157
>Why should fire get grass?
I dont know, TM22?
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>>24971192
meme move
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>>24971209
Well that doesnt change the fact that many, many firetypes can learn a grass move now does it
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>>24971229
Flareon can't
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>>24971248
Well yes, Flareon has literally always been "Arcanine, but with no moves" even more so than Ninetales was pre-gen 4. Of course now its more like Entei with fewer moves and Wish
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>>24970897
I'd be fine with that, but since it'll never happen, at least leave it as is without making it worse
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>>24972057
hey grass is literally never going to be buffed either so it's fine to theorise.

Reminder masuda has a hardon for water
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What kind of pokemon do you think Wu TAng Clan would like?

Do you think the possibly play pokemon?
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Making so many grassmon's abilities based around sun really is fucking stupid. Why don't more get Water Absorb?
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I think they should remove Fire's boost from sunlight. I'm not sure, but does fire in real life actually grow stronger from sunlight?
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>>24972159
Only in the sense that if there's been a long drought without water the vegetation is dryer and burns more easily
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>>24972159
>pokemon
>realistic
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>>24966981
>This is common now though
Except for Grass types. They can't learn shit.
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>>24969777
>Chesnaught ever switching into anything from Azu
Shitnaught gets rekt by Azumarill all the time.
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>>24971248
>Flareon can't learn something
Woooooooowww.
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>>24966981
I'll accept your argument when grass types widely get earth power or literally coverage for anything
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>>24966985
>grass/fire
>no grass/fire bellossom/sunflora/sunny cherrim
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>>24967403
As soon as we forgive them for Cherubi and they start to consider that maybe this can be done uniquely, that's when we'll get Ortangelo.
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>>24972159
Pokemon never makes sense.
Moonlight increase health restored in the sun.
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>>24974034
Because moonlight is actually reflected sunlight?
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