>>24961861 I don't know which specific dank meme is OP referecing, but Electivire was quite infamous as the "NoobVire" in Gen 4. It wasn't particularly good, but due to having access to great deal of coverage it was used a lot by scrubs, specifally coupled with a Gyarados to activate Motor Drive.
>>24963445 Back in Gen 4, not really. I guess you can count the old SR/Explosion lead Azelf, but hey at least it got the job done, even though you were basically working with 5 pokémon for the rest of the match
It was fun though pissing off scrubs by predicting the obvious N00bvire switch
>>24963232 autism at its cvckest >>24963344 it is fast and strong enough. for PU. >>24963422 those were actually great times. people used things like ambipom in OU, just to check out what they can do now - there was no smogon bible yet to lead them to the blessings of steel/dragon/water-core spam.
>>24963501 There weren't that many Dragons in OU back then, either. You can't really compare Gen 4 to Gen 5/6, either, since it was extremely different. >Electivire >Empoleon >Machamp >Flygon >Smeargle >Snorlax >>>>>>>>>Dusknoir
>>24963527 Man, BW and Gen 6 meta were so shitty they made me nostalgic for Gen 3 and 4 meta. Back when you had to use Shoddy Battle to do anything online. Back when everyone thought Bastiodon was going to be God's gift to walls, and would completely outclass Skarmory. Fuck, those were the days.
They were more balanced than what we have now, at the very least.
>>24963528 This is exactly why I don't get people complaining about Dragon being OP. Do they not realize that the only good Dragons were 600 BST? That's the same as Deoxys, Darkrai, and Genesect. Hell, the Lati@s have the same BST - 600 - and they're OU. A legendary with 700 BST is middling in OU, yet Dragon was somehow OP. Such bullshit.
>>24963556 Eh, I liked B2/W2. They were solid games that ironed out a lot of the bad things. I'd even go so far as to say they're better than Platinum/HG/SS. Too bad B2/W2 and SMDungeon are the only Pokemon games worth buying since 2009.
>>24963595 Yeah, but they were neutral. Draco Meteor and Outrage were only moderately better than the ever present Fire Blast/Hydro Pump/Thunder/Earth Quake.
Even then, those types at least hit others for SE. Dragon was neutral to everything, offensively. It was also a nooblock, since one could just send out Skarmory or Scizor and set up while the Dragon is stuck. Seriously, you're overestimating how strong the moves are. I'm more scared of a Galvantula's Thunder than I am of a Hydreigon's Draco Meteor, and that's for good reason.
>>24963607 So? What's the going to do to anything? All Water types have Ice type coverage, eliminating the effectiveness of Dragon and Grass types. Psychic types often learn Focus Blast. Poison types usually learn either Fire Blast or EQ, dealing with Steel types. That's the point of coverage.
>>24963612 salamence had dragon dance, garchomp had swords dance. and they appeared far bulkier in gen 4. they would NEVER EVER outrage out of the bat if you had a steel type. the point was to boost - or to beat your steel type with something else or their coverage attacks, then outrage.
>>24963628 That means they outplayed you. Yeah, boosting moves exist. Burn also exists. As does Skarmory, Bronzong, and Mamoswine in Gen 4. The existence of Mamoswine was actually one of the reasons given to not ban Garchomp and Salamence to Ubers.
Neutral coverage that goes over SO MANY types is still really good. Not everything needs to be super effective. Who needs super effective damage when you can hit a 120 bp + 50% boost from STAB move on nearly everything anyway? And then most Dragons still get EQ or Fire Blast for Steel types. No type should have that good coverage.
>Seriously, you're overestimating how strong the moves are You're underestimating how strong the moves are. Banded or LO'd "muh button" Outrage isn't something to scoff at if your one type resist is gone. With Thunder you can switch in a multitude of Ground types and not take any damage or a Grass/Electric/Dragon type and resist. It's far less potent.
>>24963635 What the fuck is wrong with you? You seriously think Outrage was an "I win" button? Do you completely forget about the existence of Cloyster, Mamoswine, and other really effective Dragon killers? Burn? Yes, Dragons had other moves. That's why Fire Blast was used on Garchomp a ton. That's also why every Water type carried Ice Beam. It fucking worked. Pokemon usually have coverage against their weaknesses, unless they're some shitty Grass or Bug type.
Dragon type wasn't to blame. Only 3 Dragons really stood out in Gen 4 - Garchomp, Salamence, and Dragonite. In Gen 5, they added 1 new relevant Dragon - Hydreigon. Don't hit the entire type because GF decided to give 600 BST Dragons great coverage options, as if that has any bearing on their type instead of their Psuedo-legend status. Might as well nerf ROCK type since Tyranitar is so OP, right? Great coverage, good set up options, fantastic stat spread, and STAB that destroys most Pokemon. Why didn't Rock get a nerf? Probably because it was only Tyranitar that was OP.
>>24963653 >Mamoswine can't switch in Au contraire, unless they boosted before hand, Mamoswine can survive 3 hits of Outrage from 'chomp and 'mence, unless they had a LO. If they had LO, then Mamoswine would OHKO them with Ice Shard. If they had it, they'd be 2HKO'd.
>>24963662 >Kill opponents Ground type >Spam Thunder until you win If you lose your counters to it, that's your own fault (or sheer RNGesus fuckery). You can outplay and counter the Dragons, or they could outplay you. They weren't inherently broken (except, arguably, Gen 4 Garchomp and Salamence), but they were highly meta.
>>24963654 >Do you completely forget about the existence of Cloyster, Mamoswine, and other really effective Dragon killers?
You mean Pokemon that DON'T RESIST and have a hard time switching in so you're forced to sack something in order to revenge kill? Yeah, real effective
>That's also why every Water type carried Ice Beam Having Ice Beam doesn't mean it can switch in safely.
>Dragon type wasn't to blame No, it was to blame. One type having only one resist while it itself resists four types with only two weaknesses (one being itself, making it all the better) is too good. Plain and simple.
>ROCK type since Tyranitar is so OP, right? Tyranitar being Rock type isn't the issue though. You're missing the point.
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