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>when you see an electivire on their team
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What's so special about using a specific pokemon?
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>>24961845
>when you see more than two starters on their team
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>>24961845
>when you see a generation 1 or 2 pokemon on their team that hasnt gotten any major buffs since then
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>>24961845
What's so bad about elevtivire? Mine has pulled plenty of sweeps even in ou.
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>>24962790
Stop playing sub 1100 garbage
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>>24962790
>Mine has pulled plenty of sweeps even in ou
against a weakened gyarados, i guess
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>>24962812

UWPW-WWWW-WW3C-55WP

Watch the vid faggots. Also git gud.
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Why is it that people will build otherwise solid teams, only to slap a shitmon into it (or any mon that does jack shit for the team they made)?
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>when you see skarmbliss on their team
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>>24962838
you ever heard of fun? i dont mean the band.
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>>24961845
>said electivire is followed by gyarados
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>>24961861
There was a really old meme where this guy needed someone to evolve his Electabuzz. The guy who offered to help him supposedly ran off with it.

For short while he was going around asking for an Electivire and the guy who supposedly ran off with his original buzz would pop up and make fun of him for it. Then there'd be a shitstorm.

It turned out he was samefagging the entire thing.
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>>24963232
>It turned out he was samefagging the entire thing.

How completely surprising.
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>>24962790

Electivire is slow as dirt and doesn't hit hard enough
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>>24961861
I don't know which specific dank meme is OP referecing, but Electivire was quite infamous as the "NoobVire" in Gen 4. It wasn't particularly good, but due to having access to great deal of coverage it was used a lot by scrubs, specifally coupled with a Gyarados to activate Motor Drive.
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>when you see a legendary on their team
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>>24963422
>specifally coupled with a Gyarados to activate Motor Drive
does it get any more scrubby?
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>>24961845
>tfw balloon wonder guard Electivire

Focus Punch all day, friend.
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>>24961871
>when they have all 3 starters from that gen on their team
>when their team consists of 6 starters
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>>24963445
Back in Gen 4, not really. I guess you can count the old SR/Explosion lead Azelf, but hey at least it got the job done, even though you were basically working with 5 pokémon for the rest of the match

It was fun though pissing off scrubs by predicting the obvious N00bvire switch
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>>24963232
autism at its cvckest
>>24963344
it is fast and strong enough. for PU.
>>24963422
those were actually great times. people used things like ambipom in OU, just to check out what they can do now - there was no smogon bible yet to lead them to the blessings of steel/dragon/water-core spam.
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>>24963470
>Dragon
>Core
Lol. Not since they got ultra-nerfed and replaced by the new hotness. The only Dragons you'll ever see Smogonites using are Garchomp and the [email protected]

New core is Flying/Fairy/Water.
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>>24963344

>base 95 speed
>Slow as dirt

Try running jolly with expert belt. It out speeds
adamant chomp. And OKO's with ice punch.
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>>24963490
i meant gen 4.
dragon was sooo far from being nerfed then, with physical outrage raised to 120 bp.
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>>24963500
and what if it runs jolly, like most garchomp do?
then youre a little bit cvcked, arent you?
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>>24963500
>adamant chomp
how is sub 1100?
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>>24963501
There weren't that many Dragons in OU back then, either. You can't really compare Gen 4 to Gen 5/6, either, since it was extremely different.
>Electivire
>Empoleon
>Machamp
>Flygon
>Smeargle
>Snorlax
>>>>>>>>>Dusknoir
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>>24961871
>when you see more than zero starters on their team
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>>24963520
>friggin dusknoir, flygon and empoleon in OU
>the nostalgia
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>>24963433
I'll accept legendaries below 600 bst.

A point beyond that and you can go and fuck yourself.
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>>24963524
>When Greninja was OU
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>>24963528
Regigigas
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>>24963527
Man, BW and Gen 6 meta were so shitty they made me nostalgic for Gen 3 and 4 meta. Back when you had to use Shoddy Battle to do anything online. Back when everyone thought Bastiodon was going to be God's gift to walls, and would completely outclass Skarmory. Fuck, those were the days.

They were more balanced than what we have now, at the very least.
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>>24963510
There is no way to know if it's adamant or jolly. Which i assume most people who run mega comp go for adamant for wall breaking potential.

Elective also counters every other electric type with earthquake and motor drive.
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>>24963537
>There is no way to know if it's adamant or jolly
which is why you stay in with electrivire
genius
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>>24963470
>>24963500
Hey samefag retard, cuck isn't filtered anymore. It also doesn't mean what you think it means.
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>>24963533
gen 5 and gen 6 are not canon
theyre just commercial franchise merchandise
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>>24963528
This is exactly why I don't get people complaining about Dragon being OP. Do they not realize that the only good Dragons were 600 BST? That's the same as Deoxys, Darkrai, and Genesect. Hell, the [email protected] have the same BST - 600 - and they're OU. A legendary with 700 BST is middling in OU, yet Dragon was somehow OP. Such bullshit.
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>>24963555
nice to know, cuck
kek
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>>24963548
Watch the video i posted faggot.
I suppose using jolteon with hp ice is better?
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>>24963566
not using mono electric types in OU would be a good bet, m8
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>>24963556
Eh, I liked B2/W2. They were solid games that ironed out a lot of the bad things. I'd even go so far as to say they're better than Platinum/HG/SS. Too bad B2/W2 and SMDungeon are the only Pokemon games worth buying since 2009.
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>>24963578
Azumaril says hi.
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>>24963558

>A type that resists Grass, Fire, Water, and Electric, is only weak to itself and Ice, and is only resisted by one type is not OP
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>>24963585
electrivire and jolteon are great counters to it, i give you that
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I have used electivire in the past and it has won me a lot of battles, but honestly if I'm gunna use an electric type it's gunna be my boy jolteon
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>>24963558
>Dragon was somehow OP

It was. STAB Outrage and Draco Meteor with only ONE fucking resist is better than you think.
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>>24963586
>Weak to the best offensive type in game
>Not Super Effective against anything but itself
>OP
Why don't you go complain about Normal or Ghost, then? Fairy retards need to fuck off.
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>>24963595
not to mention that every dragon had eq, fire fang and fire blast
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>>24963592
Oops forgot talon flame.

I agree electivire also beats jolteon 1v1 which is more prominent in ou.
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>>24963595
Yeah, but they were neutral. Draco Meteor and Outrage were only moderately better than the ever present Fire Blast/Hydro Pump/Thunder/Earth Quake.

Even then, those types at least hit others for SE. Dragon was neutral to everything, offensively. It was also a nooblock, since one could just send out Skarmory or Scizor and set up while the Dragon is stuck. Seriously, you're overestimating how strong the moves are. I'm more scared of a Galvantula's Thunder than I am of a Hydreigon's Draco Meteor, and that's for good reason.
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>>24963607
So? What's the going to do to anything? All Water types have Ice type coverage, eliminating the effectiveness of Dragon and Grass types. Psychic types often learn Focus Blast. Poison types usually learn either Fire Blast or EQ, dealing with Steel types. That's the point of coverage.
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>>24963612
salamence had dragon dance, garchomp had swords dance. and they appeared far bulkier in gen 4. they would NEVER EVER outrage out of the bat if you had a steel type. the point was to boost - or to beat your steel type with something else or their coverage attacks, then outrage.
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>>24963624
it meant that if you switched scizor or metagross in - and the enemy dragon danced in that turn, it would just OHKO with fire fang / eq.

yet, you still had to perceive steel types as your best bet against dragons.
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>>24963628
That means they outplayed you. Yeah, boosting moves exist. Burn also exists. As does Skarmory, Bronzong, and Mamoswine in Gen 4. The existence of Mamoswine was actually one of the reasons given to not ban Garchomp and Salamence to Ubers.
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>>24963612
>Yeah, but they were neutral

Neutral coverage that goes over SO MANY types is still really good. Not everything needs to be super effective. Who needs super effective damage when you can hit a 120 bp + 50% boost from STAB move on nearly everything anyway? And then most Dragons still get EQ or Fire Blast for Steel types. No type should have that good coverage.

>Seriously, you're overestimating how strong the moves are
You're underestimating how strong the moves are. Banded or LO'd "muh button" Outrage isn't something to scoff at if your one type resist is gone. With Thunder you can switch in a multitude of Ground types and not take any damage or a Grass/Electric/Dragon type and resist. It's far less potent.
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>>24963633
>The existence of Mamoswine was actually one of the reasons given to not ban Garchomp and Salamence to Ubers

And it was a shit reason because:

- Mamoswine can't switch in on any of their attacks
- Even if does successfully switch in, Yache Berry allows them to laugh off Mamo's Ice Shard and kill it
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>>24963635
What the fuck is wrong with you? You seriously think Outrage was an "I win" button? Do you completely forget about the existence of Cloyster, Mamoswine, and other really effective Dragon killers? Burn? Yes, Dragons had other moves. That's why Fire Blast was used on Garchomp a ton. That's also why every Water type carried Ice Beam. It fucking worked. Pokemon usually have coverage against their weaknesses, unless they're some shitty Grass or Bug type.

Dragon type wasn't to blame. Only 3 Dragons really stood out in Gen 4 - Garchomp, Salamence, and Dragonite. In Gen 5, they added 1 new relevant Dragon - Hydreigon. Don't hit the entire type because GF decided to give 600 BST Dragons great coverage options, as if that has any bearing on their type instead of their Psuedo-legend status. Might as well nerf ROCK type since Tyranitar is so OP, right? Great coverage, good set up options, fantastic stat spread, and STAB that destroys most Pokemon. Why didn't Rock get a nerf? Probably because it was only Tyranitar that was OP.
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>>24963653
>Mamoswine can't switch in
Au contraire, unless they boosted before hand, Mamoswine can survive 3 hits of Outrage from 'chomp and 'mence, unless they had a LO. If they had LO, then Mamoswine would OHKO them with Ice Shard. If they had it, they'd be 2HKO'd.
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>>24963654
>You seriously think Outrage was an "I win" button?

Yeah, it pretty much was

>Kill opponent's Steel-types
>Spam Outrage until you win
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>>24963662
>Kill opponents Ground type
>Spam Thunder until you win
If you lose your counters to it, that's your own fault (or sheer RNGesus fuckery). You can outplay and counter the Dragons, or they could outplay you. They weren't inherently broken (except, arguably, Gen 4 Garchomp and Salamence), but they were highly meta.
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>>24963672
>(except, arguably, Gen 4 Garchomp and Salamence
those were the dragons in the main tier in gen 4
so, yes, dragon was op
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>>24963232
To be fair, back in Gen 4 I had somebody from another forum disconnect after trading to evolve my Rhyperior, without giving it back.

It's fucking annoying when that happens.
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>>24963672

Electric has three types that resist it and one that is immune

Dragon only had one type that resisted it
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>TFW like Electivire and wish he was good.

I'll accept a +10 attack boost at this point.
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>>24963713
from PU to NU, maybe
kek
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>>24963654
>Do you completely forget about the existence of Cloyster, Mamoswine, and other really effective Dragon killers?

You mean Pokemon that DON'T RESIST and have a hard time switching in so you're forced to sack something in order to revenge kill? Yeah, real effective

>That's also why every Water type carried Ice Beam
Having Ice Beam doesn't mean it can switch in safely.

>Dragon type wasn't to blame
No, it was to blame. One type having only one resist while it itself resists four types with only two weaknesses (one being itself, making it all the better) is too good. Plain and simple.

>ROCK type since Tyranitar is so OP, right?
Tyranitar being Rock type isn't the issue though. You're missing the point.

>>24963672
>>Kill opponents Ground type

And their grass types? And their dragon types? And their electric types? LOL
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the dragon type mechanics came from a time where it had to be unbalanced, just for the in-game "wow" effect
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>>24961845
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I don't kbnow why, but Dragonspam in Gen 5 didn't bother me as much as it did in Gen 4.
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>>24963713
I know that feel.
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>>24963734

Yeah, pretty much. The types it resists (Grass, Fire, Water, and Electric) are the starter types.

It was fine in Gen 1 because there were only 3 Dragon-types, all from the same family. Dragon was supposed to be this rare type.

Now there are 40 Dragon-types. It's not "special" anymore, it's just another type.
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>Zoroark
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>>24963520

>the current state of Dusknoir

It was good to know you.
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>>24961845
>The opponent's Latios used Outrage!
>Mega Charizard X used Flamethrower!
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>>24963593
This nigga gets it
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>>24963524
>M-Charizard
>M-Venusaur
>Serperior
Those are completely legit.

There are others that are viable on the right teams.
>Feraligatr
>M-Swampert
>Chesnaught
>Empoleon
>M-Sceptile
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>>24963593
Anything Jolteon can do, Raikou does it better
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>>24963713
+10 speed and volt tackle/fusion bolt and we'll be talking.
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>when you see a darkrai on their team
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>>24964016
Jolteon pairs better with azumaril.
But yeah you're right.
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>The opponent's latios is reacting to its latiosite
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>>24963470
>for PU
NU*
At least get your facts straight. It works in NU as a not fighting type fighting type.
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>>24961845
>not just using your favourite mons
Are there no people who still play Pokemon for fun?
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>>24964496
>his favorite pokemon is electivire
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>>24963520
>Dusknoir in OU
Boy, the Knock Off buff must have really killed it.
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>when /vp/ thinks they're actually decent enough at Pokemon to criticize other players team choices.
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>>24964654
>Knock Off
>forgetting Eviolite exists
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>>24963813
>Opponent leads off with Zoroark
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>>24963520

Gen IV was always my favorite metagame. Team preview really fucked over the concept of leads, and specific pokemon with it.
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>>24963654
>still THIS MAD over the chomp ban after all these years
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>>24963433
Not my fault Victini ended up being a cute little shit that became my favorite.
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>when you see six legendaries on their team
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>>24963433
WE
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