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A safe haven for discussing overpowered fish and girls who play drums.

Last thread: >>24922072

Game download pre-patched and ready to go in english (No expansion, don't expect it to be translated anytime soon):
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ynnmmo4k9noe0cr/%E5%B9%BB%E6%83%B3%E4%BA%BA%E5%BD%A2%E6%BC%94%E8%88%9E.rar

Expansion downloads (Not translated): http://pastebin.com/X5fU9Cde

The game requires your computer to be in japanese locale or emulated via Locale Emulator provided in the download:
https://mega.nz/#!q0lixKqI!n07oANzavBNSgGwWtm5Ezyuf9B0ifT36yi6Vmyi3kjo

Wiki: http://tpdp.supersanctuary.net/wiki/Main_Page

Puppetdex with a bit more utility than the wiki, have to download it and use a spreadsheet viewer:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/ozuu2sf3ovitzux/tpdp_PuppetDex_1.91.xlsx

FAQ and misc links: http://pastebin.com/NyBVqHVy
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First for best puppet.
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Power Ran is a beast and so is Power Kokoro.
Also who is the Mewtwo of the game?
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Wakasagi is a canon godslayer now.
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Have a dumb webm showing off YukariP's transformation.

It also seems that now, if you let Allowance time out, it gets replaced by an ability that increases two stats (presumably Spread Attack and Speed) every turn.
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>>24931748

Well, at least they tried to do something interesting with her.

She's probably still never going to see any real use outside of gimmick teams though.

Also,

>Not showing off her hurt animation
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Do we know how many copies Hemo sold at Comiket?
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>>24931764
The hurt animation seems to be the same as the hurt animation for regular Yukari. I'll see if I can't get a recording of it, though.
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>>24931764
>>24931776
Yeah, I'm not noticing any difference here. Maybe someone else can see one, though.
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I caught them all, now what do I do?
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>>24931825
Play online or catch the new ones.
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>>24931819

That's a bit disappointing, but oh well. Thanks for doing the research.

Not like any sane person is ever going to see it in-game anyways.

>>24931825

Do it again in the expansion.
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>>24931825

Get ready for the expansion.
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>>24931764
>She's probably still never going to see any real use outside of gimmick teams though.
I'll still use her.
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>>24931748
Well, at the very least her sprite looks fantastic.

Looks like her wedding outfit uses it as a base.

I'm sorry for your loss anon
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>>24931825
catch mew
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>>24931825
Play the new game, catch the newhu's, and then reincarnate a full S IV trick room team
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>>24931830

On the subject of which do we have an updated puppets by location list yet?
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>>24931830
>>24931831
>>24931832
>>24931838
But the expansion isn't translated, I'm not gonna try to do that shit without being able to tell what's going on.

>>24931835
I checked under the truck, he isn't there, where could he be?
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>>24931833
You and me both, brother.

>>24931834
Yeah, the wedding outfit uses it as a base, and when Allowance goes off it gives her four bouquets that float around her.
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>>24931834
>>24931852
I need this.
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>>24931852
Also, this may be a mistake, but is Tenshi's wedding different as well? The static sprite at least looked so.
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>>24931850

Then unless you want to do post game, online, or grind up S-rank puppets you're done for at least half a year while they translate the expansion.
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>>24931861
I wouldn't know, but if Yukari uses a different base for her wedding sprite, it seems perfectly reasonable that Tenshi could also use a different base.
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>>24931734
>overpowered fish

Why is everyone scared of Wakasagi now
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>>24931995
145 SPattack, 50% more damage in trick room. 120/70/70 defenses, low speed, learns trick room, a million good trick room puppets being added at the same time.
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>>24931995

120/70/70 defenses with 145 spread attack, +50% attack during genbu, 35 speed and she can put up genbu herself.

Very powerful fish.
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Can you only access the dream world once?
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Do I fight Flandre by chasing her in the halls, or is it somewhere easier to get to?
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>>24932076
I was able to get in once but now the bed only heals me, is this intentional?
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>>24932045
>>24932051
>145 special attack
>50% boost to her moves in trick room
>120/70/70 bulk

What the fuck she's trick room Kyogre
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>>24932076
>>24932137

Maybe it's a bug. Or maybe you can go back in post game.
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How do I play online? I've beaten the game but where do I go from there?
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>>24932232

If you're still playing the base game, pull up the gap map and cycle through the pages (A/D on keyboard, L/R on controller) to get to Yukari's house.

Beat up Ran and Yukari and then she'll unlock netplay for you.

I find it hard to imagine that many people are playing the vanilla netplay right now though.
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>>24932144

Wakasagi is a very intimidating fish.
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>>24932265
The advantages of never having to worry about missing leg day.
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I'm going to complain every day until my favorite gets buffs.
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>>24932356
I'm going to complain every day until godfish gets nerfs.
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Which one
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>>24932265
I'm sorry, I can't be intimidated by her.

She's too cute.
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>don't want to play because I don't want to miss out on the AMAZING new storyline
>everyone will be sick of it within 6 months
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>>24932430

The release of the full translation was the most popular this game's ever been, I'm sure it'll be the same for the expansion as well.

At the very least it'll be an excuse for the vets to come back and shitstomp on all us translation-babbies in netplay.
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So who will be the new king of the hill in the expansion? AyaP?
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>>24932430
>>24932457
And there's always some people who are just plain out obsessed with the game. Hell, I'm pretty sure that in like the past month or two I've put 200+ hours into the game across multiple save files. Hell, I have like seven different copies of the game on my HDD right now because I'm too damn lazy to switch out save files.
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>>24932546

AyaP wasn't even the best puppet in the base game and now she's been slightly nerfed ontop of it.

It's too early to say anything other than speculation right now, especially when everyone's more focused on trying out all the new fun stuff rather than the straight forward and reliable.
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So, how much higher did the smug levels get in the expansion?
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>>24932565
>slightly nerfed
>now has a multi-hit fighting focus move
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>>24932582

She already shit on everything vulnerable to focus attacks as is, losing out on the extra versatility from the spread fighting attack leaves her open to a lot more counters.

A bit better at what she already excelled at but way worse outside of it. So yeah, slightly nerfed.
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>>24932582
She had high jump kick before, but was running special multi-hit anyways to get past focus walls. Now she doesn't have that option.
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>>24932581

The expansion has Doremy so through the freaking roof.
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>>>/jp/
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>>24932685

>>>/jp/14553386
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>>24932395
Hard to say without knowing what the new moves do. I will say that Power has some very cool typing that gives her a shit ton of resistances, but on the other hand Power's stat spread is a bit spread-out. Not sure. Just choose what you want/what fits your team better.
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>>24932708

Clearly we must go to the void in between boards.
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>>24932685
>>24932708
Why not both...
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>>24932726
Get Yukari on the phone, she'll take us there.
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>>24931734
only making this board even shittier
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>>>/jp/
desu family
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>>24932746
>Goodra meme on the front page
You sure?
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So, how the "random online match" works in the expansions? i thought you needed the opponent IP to connect.
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So apparently there's a patch for this, do those just do bug fixes or are they also balancing things
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>>24932936
They're just bug fixes.
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hnnnNNNNNNNNNNNNNG
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>>24932959
" Fixed a bug that D Stars learning skills "Mana of grace" is had become a "white lily of dance""

Bug balance
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Three of the four skill cards I'm missing are in Hakurei Mountain cave.
No, I don't want to go back! I don't want to go back in!
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>>24933245

If you're lucky you might finish before the expansion gets translated.
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>>24933245
that's why i made sure to find everything i could before leaving
now go do it faggot
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>>24933254
>>24933260
If I don't come back within two weeks, I leave my hold items to you in my will.
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People probably already noticed this, but you can also catch Lily on route 1 now.
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How long it took the main game to get translated?
Is the expansion big? When can we expect the translation to be finished?
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>>24933289
more than 3 months at least, the fact hemo and his team also release fix patches every once in while doesn't help.
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>>24933289

Original took just about a year for a full translation but the guys working on it have gotten their shit together and should be making more efficient progress on the expansion.

Expect it to take anywhere between 3-8 months with 3 months being very optimistic.
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>>24933289
The expansion adds some new touhous, a third style to everyone, makes a pretty substantial change to stats,moves, abilities available in the game, new portraits, puppet followers, and changes the story.

Also apparently the game's been coded in a way that means the TL patch as has to be rebuilt from the ground up.
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>>24932137
>>24932076
Just figured it out.
After a certain point (dunno when), you can buy Dream Pills from Reisen that let you go back.
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>>24933522
Does the moonbitches still kick you out if they see you/talk with them?
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>Talk to Hina thinking she'll heal my 2hus
>She deletes my Shinmyoumaru

Goddammit
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Will there be a patch translating gameplay stuff before the full translation, or will it all be done at once?
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>>24933594

>he doesn't read
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So we can transfer our save files to the expansion, right? It's worth reincarnating a bunch of things before the translation is out?
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>>24933712
The one time I didn't
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How do I get Momi to move her wolfy butt
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>>24933594
Did you actually save the game?

I remember some poor sap in the original threads who accidentally released his starter Satori and saved, poor guy.

>>24933734
yeah, they'll all transfer over.
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>>24933799
The good thing is that she wasn't my starter but I still had her around for a long time. I'm not too bent out of shape about it. Now I'm just trying to get to Moriya >>24933751
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You can get heart marks on puppets (and by extension put them in wedding dresses) even if they aren't your starter. I'm not sure what exactly triggers this, but I reincarnated this Satori and took it from 1 to 100 so that probably has something to do with it.
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>>24934109

See if she can wear the wedding dress.

This is important.
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What the heck am I supposed to do in the Tengu Village
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>>24934144
here you go
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>>24934109

Yeah someone mentioned earlier / last thread that going from 1 to 100 maxes out the happiness meter which gives access to the heart mark and dream fragments.
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So the 50 HP recovery item is dango right?

Because I found a metric fuckton of it at Ringo and Seiran's place
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>>24934403
Pretty much.

Also for those that have been there, is there anything to do at the Lunar Capital when you first get there? I get the impression most the stuff here is more later in the game.
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>>24934702

Apparently you're only allowed to go once so who knows.
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>>24934760
nah, seems that later on you can buy dream pills from reisen or some shit
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>Battle Tower appears to be absolute bullshit

Thank god Nether's offensively on par with pre-Fairy Dragons, so I can just use those backed up with illusion types to kill the light and dark types that otherwise would stop me. Throw enough sweepers at these and you'll win 49 in a row eventually.
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just got my team style changed. No idea what I'm doing really but hell yes.
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>that guy who picks sariel as his starter
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>>24934934

>Defense Sukuna
>Extra Rika

You're doing alright.
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ok i downloaded this game, wtf is it, just pokemon with lolis? so far I have suika which was my starter and i think chen, but I got raped by the water girl coz I didnt train up chen and I guess suika is a fire type.
keep playing? y/n
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>>24935030
Are you real?
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>>24935039
yes just a newfag i guess
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>>24935030

>just pokemon with lolis
>picked suika

something doesn't add up
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>>24935030
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>>24934766
Two problems with that:

1. Faster nether types.
2. Sound types resist nether and hit illusion for SE, so a strong fast sound type could sweep you

Also, in "this is terrifying" news, EMamizou gets an ability that removes the charge turn of moves that take 2 turns to execute. Basically it's power herb as an ability.

She learns the puppet equivalent of Shadow Force.

It's also on EMarisa, who gets not just Solarbeam, but also a chaos version of it.
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I'm really curious about that extra ability. I don't know Japanese though.
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>>24935030
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Wow, they really nerfed the bakas. I'm really glad, but also a bit disappointed.
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Oh god, some puppets get more than 2 level 70 moves, so the dollpages thing got updated to include those. Example: Extra Ran gets SEVEN moves at level 70 (Wind God Protection, Waves of Earth, Diffusion Laser, Cross Change A Tempo, Concentrate Stance, and Astrology).

RaikoP didn't lose Brave Song after all, which combined with her getting Skanda opens the door for a double boosting moveset, RaikoA learns Will'o'Wisp without need for the skillcard, and RaikoE also learns Brave Song in case you want to try and make her actually do damage without Revolving Illusion.

Other things of note:

KogasaE learns Genbu. She also gets Curse Reversal (i.e. Pain Split) for pesudo recovery.

WakasagiE gets Local Downpour (i.e. whirlpool, who cares), Ruinous Voice (i.e. Perish Song), and... Power Spot... (i.e. WISH)

Ok, she gets reliable recovery on top of everything else she gets, I think it's safe to say that Hemo may have been drunk when making WakasagiE.
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>>24935453

did Cirno get buffed
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>>24935453
>reliable recovery in Wish
>base 145 special attack
>base 35 speed + Trick Room
>120/70/70 defenses
>ability that makes water type moves 50% stronger while Genbu is up (ala Rain in regular Pokemon)
>only a single weakness
>gets Ultra High Tone for type coverage

Why
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>>24935453
Yukari?
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>>24935460
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>>24935457
Assist Cirno gets Ice Machine Gun and Butterfly Dance; so basically nothing. Also I just realized why Assist Cirno is good (priority backup plan + white mist is dumb)

Power Cirno gets nothing new.

Extra Cirno gets Shout and Shriek, so no.

RIP Cirno

>>24935461
Nothing for Power Yukari outside of the changes mentioned at the start of the thread. Same for Defense Yukari (i.e. 2 level 70 moves that we already knew about and that's it)

Extra Yukari is now known to get at level 70 (in addition to the new untranslated move and Glamour Panic) Mind Control, Chasing Attack, Second-hand Skill, another untranslated move, and Unstable Horizon.
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>>24935119
So that's what EMarisa's ability is.
Fuck that's really good.

Oh yeah, and has the puppetdex been updated yet for the expansion?
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I'm on a quest. I will find a way to make her good.
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>>24935479

>prankster quiverpass

nigga
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>>24935495
It's the move named Butterfly Dance (which is basically Aqua Ring), not the equivalent to Quiver Dance (i.e. Fairy Dance). So no quiverpassing with prankster.

You will have to make do with prankster passing white mist (i.e. Tail Glow)
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>>24935460
God, if her ability auto-induced Genbu as well, she would basically be a better Kyogre. Kyogre's speed is actually middling (90) and it doesn't get Trick Room for those ridiculous shenanigans, it doesn't get reliable recovery (let alone reliable recovery that can be passed to other team members), is about on par with her in physical bulk (100/90 v 120/70), only has one STAB vs fishy's 2, is worse defensively (weak to grass and electric with 4 resists vs double weak to poison with 2 double resists and 1 resist)...

While it's obvious that Kyogre is more overpowered, it's actually pretty close. Remember Kyogre has a BST of 670 while WakasagiE is BST 480.

I am seriously comparing a BST 480 to fucking Kyogre and it's actually pretty CLOSE.
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>>24935529

Wasn't there that one move that turns recovery into damage though? I wonder if people are going to run it more.
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>>24935479
>Nothing for Power Yukari outside of the changes mentioned at the start of the thread. Same for Defense Yukari (i.e. 2 level 70 moves that we already knew about and that's it)
So no real change then?

>Extra Yukari is now known to get at level 70 (in addition to the new untranslated move and Glamour Panic) Mind Control, Chasing Attack, Second-hand Skill, another untranslated move, and Unstable Horizon.
I admit, I still don't understand the game well yet, but does this give her some real potential?
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>>24935501
You mean old Tail Glow right?
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I rushed as fast as I could. How are things looking? Tell it to me straight.
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>>24931734
so why is this on /vp/ and not on /v/ or something. What does touhou have to do with pokemon? serious question. its not like you're making anything worse. cant really make /vp/ worse than it already is, just curious. Is touhou the new MLP?
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>>24936046
this is a pokemon fangame where you catch and battle with touhou characters instead of pokemon
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>>24936055
i guess that makes sense. carry on
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>>24936046
Touhou will never even touch mlp, because it has literal no cringe in it.
Now pokemon on the other hand has plenty of that fukken cringe, maybe it is actual better, that touhou is not posted on an cringe board, it will get a bad name.

Thanks for clearing that up, also post digimon on the digimon board and touhou on the touhou board... ohh wait... right, no boards for those ehh?

That's why touhoumon type of games with pokemon mechanics is in the pokemon related board.


Then again, remember when vp was not a board,but a tons of threads on vg?
Right I do still remember.

Touhou needs it's own board honestly, but until then this stays.
I hope this clarifies that.
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>>24936046
Touhou was the MLP way before MLP existed newfag-sama. It's a series of indie japanese video games that exploded in popularity out of nowhere around 2004.
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>>24936069
There are some chuuni as fuck 2hu doujinshi.
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>>24936141
You realize MLP is way older than 2hu, right?
>>24936143
>doujinshi are canon
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>>24936143
>doujins are canon now

Toppest of kek.
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>>24936157
That's literally what I said you illiterate faggot.
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>>24935457
Hemo doesn't seem to be a very big fan of memehus.
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>>24936186
>memehus
Cirno is actually pretty low in Japan.
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What's Mokou EX like?
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Well I did it, that was the hardest match in the game but with My starter Elis and Sukuna I managed to get a win.
What to do next?
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>>24931734
So how's this game for multiplayer? Meta, even?

I'm hearing that it's much more balanced than Pokemon.
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>>24936747

It was more balanced. Then this happened.
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>>24936753
Also waifu bias. Please tell me there's some waifu bias.
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>>24936157
Not that anon but while that is true, nobody gave a shit about MLP until 2010.
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>>24936753
What's her moveset like? Recovery aside (because goodness knows there's plenty of ways to shit on that)
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So is Kagerou actually worth using now, or is she still terrible.
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Looks like theres a new update for the expansion. Not sure what it changes though.
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>>24936896

S and P both got some pretty decent buffs, took out some stats from her lesser attack spat and gave a nice boost to her health in both styles and she has more moves to work with.

Too bad she's still horrendously crippled by both her styles having double weakness to an extremely common attack type.

Extra style is yet another mixed wall with terrible damage output but she's, as always, weak to two extremely common attack types so she's completely useless as a wall and that's all her extra style can do, unless the two untranslated new skills she gets end up being amazing.

Sorry bud.
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>>24936069
I've been here since the start and don't want these threads to go, but /jp/ is still, sadly the "Touhou" board. It's just we're too shit for that, and since most us know moonrunes(I don't, sadly) we had discussed this game to death before. There's only one thread for games. The rest are about Nitori's nipples and what have you not that I'm complaining, mind you.

Puppets only stay here because:
>Mods have been kind enough to not delete us, when they could if they felt like
>It's /vp/, the only boards people care less about are even more irredeemable
>We wouldn't survive in any other board
>There's not that much shitposting

>>24936861
Not counting new moves which I can't recognise. The highlights are:
>Manifest Genbu
>Cold rain (Her best water STAB)
>Energy drain (Best Nature STAB with no drawbacks)
>Ultra high tone

From TMs, there's tumble plant, which potentially be stronger than energy drain. (Ironically, in a fish vs. fihs battle, it'd be awful)
She also gets upbeat and reflection mirror, but those would be more gimmicky.
Someone fill me in if I missed any.
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This guy >>24936742
Ran just beat me up, where do I reincarnate my puppets?
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>>24937122
Patchy's library.
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I got the expansion, but I can't play it. I even have locale emu and everything. I clicked the shortcut, it doesn't work. Ran it with locale app, it still doesn't work. Ran the launcher with and without locale app, it doesn't work. Tell me what I did wrong.
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>>24937262
did you install the original game?
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>>24937262
You got the expansion! The expansion, Anon! You need the game!!! If you don't have the game, then what you are supposed to expand upon?
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>>24937400
go back to your /fug/ general and waifu threads
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>>24937400
>>>/trash/

Take your shit post out of here.
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So from what I can see, Kanako's new ability boosts certain moves by 1.2x, but they're boosted by 1.5x under Byakko, although I'm not sure how accurate it is since I used Google. Basically, fuck terrain related abilities, this sucks.
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>>24937400
You are like one month and more than 30 threads late.
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>>24937423
And we always tell you to fuck off and thread stay here regardless your bitching. You need to spend your time more wisely anon.
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I thought we had a silent agreement not to respond and leave the decision to the mods.
Come on, anons.
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>>24935460
Before Hecatia appeared, hemo was obsessed with Waka, he even designed a functional panty for her, but his obsession with hecatia is MUCH STRONGER.
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I wonder if it would be better to build YukariE bulky. 100/95/85 defenses are workable, at least on the focused side of things.

Though to do this right I feel like I'd have to understand speed tiers which are a bit beyond me.

>>24937443
this
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>>24937447
Hemo putting underwear on a mermaid never ceases to crack me up, truly he is the best artist.

Doesn't hurt that panties are my one non-vanilla romance fetish.
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oh, and if anyone was curious this is what RikaE looks like in attack form. Only difference is the ghost things, her tank costume is the same.
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>>24937447
>You will never be so obsessed with not one, but two characters that on top of drawing endless fanart of them you'll also make your own doujin-game and make both of them stupidly good and borderline broken
>Just because you liked them

What's stopping you /tpdpg/?
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>>24937466
Atlus also started to put panties on mermaids, also solving their main "problem" with just making her fish tail start a little lower instead of from the hips, also, why the fuck she has those floating skulls? is she trying to put a komachi?
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>>24937483
Lack of programing skill, but at least i have a job.
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>>24937488
How does she put the "middle" of the panties on? Sure, there's a hole for it to go into, but there's still no way for it to be put on normally like proper panties. Might as well just put on a shell if she's gonna cheat by growing her own panties.

>>24937494
I'm sure Hemo also has a job. He does, right?
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>>24937453
>Though to do this right I feel like I'd have to understand speed tiers which are a bit beyond me.
You can use the Excel puppetdex to see how stats behave according to base stats.

As an example:
KogasaA (base 70 speed) needs about max Speed EVs and a Green emblem at +1 Speed to outspeed max speed base 130s (200 Speed at level 50).
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>>24937497
I dunno if hemo has an actual job, i was talking about myself, i can't make games, but at least i have a job, unlike most of 4chan userbase between all the gaming boards.
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>>24937488
Perhaps the floating skulls are supposed to be drowned souls lost at sea or something? Whatever way, that bottom skull looks like a total bro and I'd totally hang out with him.

>>24937497
Some sort of side tie/lock, perhaps?
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>>24937488
I want to see a skeleton of this thing Jesus Christ
How to thigh bones or knees combine into a fish spine
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>>24937505
What's your job anon? Better not be a wagecuck one like retail. That's on the same level as neet, if not even worse.
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>>24937498
...which the Teambuilder confirms.
I've been making notes on max speed for this and that, so I could maybe make a pastebin with speed tiers for max speed puppets with different base stats.
As another example, 135 Base Speed has 205 Speed at level 50.
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>>24937483

I'm busy trying to find a way to make my puppet work because she doesn't have bias power.
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>MFW Yukari is not a sweeper machine.
Bullshit, Yukari should be OP

>>24937514
Cashier at my cousin restaurant-pub, is a pretty chill job, i love working with my own family (something very normal in my country)
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>>24937524
>Family owned business
Lucky bastard. That sounds super nice. Which country is that one?
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>>24937539
Peru, yeah, i am a third world fag, sue me.
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>>24937524
I feel like someone at FocasLens has a small hateboner for Yukari. Not enough to actually bring it up, but enough to be passive-aggressive.
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>>24937544
It's okay anon, so am I. An even worse one that's 3 spaces on top of yours.
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>>24937546

I think it's more that everyone working on the game is just terrified about making high BST units too powerful.

Mamizou is the only 550+ unit I can think of that's objectively really good and she's still only at 560.
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>>24937513
>a demon
>a creature made of pure belief
>needing to have functional innards
Nigga, no.
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>>24937558

They can try a little harder than they are now. I'm still sad.
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>>24937562
>a creature made of pure belief
There is something i don't understand, if SMT demons (and touhou's youkais) exists because humans create them, why can't humans easily control them?
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>>24937582
Because imagination and belief is stronger than the human themselves.
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>>24937582
Because they believe they can't.
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>>24937582
Just because you made it doesn't mean you can control it. Go ahead, shit-talk YHVH, see what happens.
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>>24937558
This. They somehow managed to make it so the lower BST touhous are generally the most dangerous.

Also excuse me while I try and cram electric type moves onto everything to fry Waggyswaggys with
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>>24936186

>your legitimate favorite is a meme

okay
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>>24937658
At least your favorite is popular.
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>>24937653

I kinda hate how they did it. Higher BST Touhous generally have two of terrible stat distributions, poor abilities, bad movepools or a combination of the three. They could at least ease up one one of those.
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>>24937582
Just because you're telling yourself they're weak or exploitable, doesn't mean you belive they are.
Humans control them, but unconciously and uncontrollably, except somelearn to manipulate people to their ends.
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>>24937558
>>24937653
>>24937670
>Let's make the things with high BST not that good so that they don't break the game
>Sure boss, let's make them all with a ridiculous crippling flaw, like Regigigas
>What about the ones with low BST boss? How do we make them good and able to compete?
>Let's giving them all winning combinations. It's not like stuff with low BST in Pokemon but have one kind of REAL GOOD moveset, ability or typing is good, right?
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>>24937598
YHVH is not the actual problem, is that "bug" in the fabric of the universe, I wonder if there will be a SMT where you fix that "bug".
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>>24937685

>Wakyogre only has 480 BST
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>>24937699
Min-maxing is one hell of a drug.
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>>24937685
Don't forget how having a higher BST translates into a higher cost, meaning you take more damage from Tumble Plant.

Hemo managed to take the general trend of Pokemon (i.e. the higher your BST is the more likely you are to be good) and completely REVERSE it.

Hell, the expansion went back and minmaxed some of the lower cost puppets a bit further. Forget FutoS, the real Water/Wind type to fear is KogasaS
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>>24937719

At least my favorite resists Tumble Plant. Too bad she still suffers from bad stat distribution, bad abilities and bad moveset.
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>>24937719
Fuck I mean KogasaA, derp
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Hows Extra Momiji and Extra Konngara?
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>>24937719
>>24937740
What makes KogasaA better than FutoS?
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Do people do a lot of multiplayer battles on this too?

Showdown-esque simulator when?
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Where should I look to know the abilities and stats of the new puppets and extras?
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Does Imposing Stance prevent recoil from Transcend Form?
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Has anyone here tried using Speed Flandre or Defense Ran? If so, how did they do?
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>>24937747

MomijiE looks to be a pretty damn solid mixed wall that can put back out some decent damage output, albeit she's 4x weak to fire and 2x to fight and chaos so she's going to be heavily reliant on what's common in the meta to take her into netplay.

KonngaraE is kinda all over the place and has a lot of build variety. She can be turned into a straight forward bulky offense, a mixed wall with recoil moves and curse reversal or a setup sweeper with sharp wind and she has some amazing attacks in her kit.

I think she has some serious potential especially with the added bonus of the opponent not immediately knowing what her role is when she comes in.
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>>24937790

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h27zvmfbpjphowe/dollPages.zip
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>>24937825
Much appreciated.
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>>24937719

I think it's sad that for all the love lower BST stuff gets, Meiling still isn't considered very good.
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So I fought Aya and now I'm stuck here, Momiji hasn't moved, apparently I'm supposed to look for some bushes? I haven't seen any bushes that stand out or anything. Plz respond.
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>>24937851

They're in the southwest corner of the village.
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Goddamnit Hemo stop buffing Waggyswaggy

He changed one of WakasagiP's abilities from Surging Spirit to Sound Absorb. This is on something that learns Fairy Dance.
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Another highlights vid
>https://youtu.be/LK84xlg_Nxg
Nitori and the three fairies interactions have been completely change.
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Is it just me or will SukunaD be ridiculous on a Genbu team even if she can't use the move?

I want to murder everything with the small and snuggly puppet.
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>>24937949
RenkoE will stop you.
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>>24937949

Her speed isn't that atrocious so it's very likely that she'll end up going second pretty often unless you intentionally reincarnate her into E speed.
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>>24937943
>Doubles will never be in TPDP
>will never get to team up with kappa waifu and beat the shitty fairies
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>>24937962
>teaming up with an evil kappa jew that may kill you.
Unless you are strong to keep her under control, is not worthy.
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http://pastebin.com/XUJzC88X
Puppets sorted by speed tier.
Each base speed (e.g. base 110) has a "representative" so you'll have something to relate the number to*.

Each base speed has one puppet showing full PP investment and Green emblem, one example with full investment and a neutral emblem and one example with no investment.
You'll have to do multiplication (such as Good Belt/Choice Scarf and Mad Rush Stance) yourself, but this should still be helpful, for example to see if your Fairy Fance KogasaA needs a Green Emblem or not to outspeed that one threat.

I can include the speed stats for Genbu users (E- speed) if you want me to, and if there are any puppets with weird base Speed stats (or something with 25/15/5 base Speed) in YnK I'm not aware of.

* some choices are my favourites that are lesser known metagame-wise than other puppets with the same base speed, e.g. MarisaS instead of FutoS.
There are no good puppets with 25 base speed and none with 15 or 5, so that's left out entirely.

>>24937960
>Her speed isn't that atrocious
75 base with no investment is 95 Speed. There are only 11 puppets in total that underspeed her.
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>>24937972
>There are only 11 puppets in total that underspeed her
I meant 11 speed base stats that underspeed her. There are obviously multiple puppets with the same base speed.

That's what I get for rushing a post.
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>>24937943
So the level scaling is still a mess?
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>>24937960
Her speed isn't that good either, so either way she'll be going second pretty often.

The point is that SukunaD is adorable and I love her
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>>24937972

You should go yell at the owner of the FAQ and misc links pastebin to add all that stuff into it, he has his contact info in the FAQ.

This is pretty useful stuff to have in the OP but it's already getting too crowded for me to add yet another link to it and I don't have control of that pastebin.

I could just copy all of it over to one of my own but he's still keeping it up to date and doing a good job of it, just need to let him know about your stuff.
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Someone has posted a vid of the suppose super boss mima?
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>>24937972

Is there a reason for some of those reps? I remember KanakoP and MikoP not being very good.
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>>24938010
All the reps were just picked by glancing at the puppetdex sorted by speed, and picking something that sounded like it might invest in speed. MikoP is just because I like Miko.

>>24938000
I'm gonna add the E- Genbu stats first for a more complete version, and replace some of the representatives with others that are on the usage chart.
MikoP -> YumekoS for example, both 115 base Speed.
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>>24937582
You can't control your mind sometimes
example: The Game
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>>24938106
Fuck you.
Now my run of Kamui is ruined.
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As I'm leveling up, I found one of the new moves. 低速移動 is basically Curse, although without a different effect if you're a certain type.
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Chaos aerial ace
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Who's the best high BST 2hu?
Who's the worst high BST 2hu?
Who's the worst low BST 2hu?
Who's the best low BST 2hu?
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Extra Lily being essentially Lily black is pretty cool. Also her stat spread is pretty good thanks to extreme min-maxing
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>>24938170
fug
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>>24938147
Is that tiny puppet cleavage?
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After only like ten years this Raiko has finally stopped being pissed at me.

How does affection work anyways? Do we know?
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>>24938154
>Who's the best high BST 2hu?
SuwakoS or YorihimeS.

>Who's the worst high BST 2hu?
YukariP.

>Who's the worst low BST 2hu?
KosuzuA.

>Who's the best low BST 2hu?
SukunaD reigns supreme. The second best has 110 more BST than her and still less than 500 BST.
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>>24938185
Glorious 1x1 pixel Yukari cleavage.
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>>24938189

Pretty sure it's just tied solely to leveling them up based on what people have been saying, EG: Leveling a puppet from 1 to 100 maxes out their happiness and gives them a heart mark.
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>people scared of a tiny fish
Why not run MaganP as an anti-Genbu team member? He's even slower than Wakasagi (base 20 speed vs base 35), has good bulk (80/105/105), is Poison type and thus has STAB on Wakasagi's one weakness, and can thus blow her to pieces and then take advantage of their own Genbu to tear a hole through the opponent's team, because base 20 speed is slower than everything outside of OrangeD and RenkoE anyways, neither of which can do anything back.

Shame he doesn't get Genbu himself, but I feel like the one thing in this entire game that resembles an actual Pokemon in appearance might be much more viable now.
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>>24938282
>Why not run MaganP
Not cute as the fish.
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>>24938290
Can't argue with that logic!
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>>24938282

What kinda coverage does the fish have anyways?
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>>24938312
STABs and Ultra High Tone.
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>>24938032
>>24938000
>go yell at the owner of the FAQ and misc links pastebin to add all that stuff into it
Added "(v1.011) Yume no Kakera Speed Tiers" to the bottom of "FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T USE PUPPETDEX."
Will probably find a better name for section by the end of today.
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>>24938334

I should also start referring to the pastebin itself as something other than "Misc links" since it's quickly starting to become a lot more useful.
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>>24938185
Loads of puppets have boobs.
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>>24938371
Renamed pastebin to "/tpdp/ - Touhou Puppet Dance Performance FAQ & Useful Links."
Will check my email and the thread as soon as I'm done with work.
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>>24938414

Yeah that works, I'll change the OP to match that title next thread.
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>>24938375
Boobs yes, but no cleavage.
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Does anyone still play 1.34 online? I'm waiting for the translation on the expac.
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>>24938414
For when you get back, I've made an updated pastebin of the speed tiers.

http://pastebin.com/6sMtxB8G

Additions include a key for reading the pastebin, better representatives of the metagame, inclusion of speed stats for E- IVs for the Genbu fans, correction of some styles I mixed up, and formatting that's hopefully easier on the eyes.
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>>24938681
Uh, UtsuhoS got nerfed to base 90 speed in the expansion. Might be worth picking another base 100 speed instead to avoid confusion.
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>>24938693
Thanks for letting me know, changed to NitoriS.
http://pastebin.com/DzVJj446

She has 7.5% usage, so she's top 15. Definitely worth looking out for.
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What emblem is best for Sukuna D?
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>>24938928

Red. Sukuna always wants to have absolutely maxed out attack.
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>>24938945
Sweet, thanks man.
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For me numbers aren't translated for me; anyone know whats wrong?
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>>24938972

"The game requires your computer to be in japanese locale or emulated via Locale Emulator provided in the download:
https://mega.nz/#!q0lixKqI!n07oANzavBNSgGwWtm5Ezyuf9B0ifT36yi6Vmyi3kjo"
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If Sukuna is Groudon and Wakasagi is Kyogre, then who's Rayquaza?
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>>24938972
>RT
Blocked.
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>>24933312
is the expansion for the post game or does it change the entire game? I have a save midgame and don't know what will happen if i install the expansion
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>>24939020

The expansion changes damn near everything and you have to start from scratch.

The only save importing is being able to re-obtain your puppets in the expansion's post-game if you beat the story in the base game.
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Why does sound resist nether
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>>24939086

Ghosts can't spook you if the music too loud to hear them.
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>>24939086
Because ghosts in real life are caused by sound too high in pitch for the ear to hear.

Those tales of ghostly apparitions appearing in haunted houses? They're caused by leaky pipes making just the right harmonics of sound to resonate with your eyeballs, making you hallucinate ghostly apparitions.

Reality is weird like that.
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>>24938984
ShinkiP
Both attacks are high, decent other stats because of high BST, and has Air Lock too.
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>>24938984
The real question is who's the hilariously overpowered gamebreaker
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>>24939133
For reference, I don't mean something like Mega Rayquaza, I mean something like Gen 4 Garchomp
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>>24939042
then i will finish the main game and then play the expansion
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>>24939086
ghosts don't like music
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>>24939157
RikaE, HecatiaE
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>>24939176
RikaE is nowhere near as good as Aegislash.

Hell, HecatiaE probably isn't as good as Aegislash, she has hardcore 4MSS and severe EV issues (although obviously she's still good)
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>>24938984
Raiko?
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>>24939282
is her 4MSS really that bad if she just focuses on either FoAtt or SpAtt?
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>>24939371
Raiko has basically nothing in common with Rayquaza, although Pokemon Emerald is still my all-time favorite.
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>>24939414

No, she's still great even if you only focus on two modes, but that quickly drags her back down to being just another really good puppet instead of being the god mode destroyer of all life and creation that she could be if she could use more than 4 skills.
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>>24939460
>Now everyone can be fish, destroyer of worlds!
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>>24939460
>>24939475

WakasagiE_casts_genbu_with_a_slow_team.jpg
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11io5I31lHhqJRaAjVDtpFrUH1-hFbBC_P4ME7O2em5g/edit#gid=0

PuppetDB for the expansion, with base stats, typing, abilities (translated if from the original, untranslated if new) and resistances (ignoring abilities)

The untranslated entries at the very end are alternate forms (i.e. Rika in Attack Stance, the Focus and Spread forms of HecatiaE, YukariP once the five turns of Allowance have ended and she's starting to annihilate the opposing team, and then one more I can't recognize at all with an absolutely dumb stat spread and a BST of 780
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>third screen of the game
>whats your favorite touhou
I thought starting an elder scrolls game was hard.
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>>24939537
>they have Kasen
DERIVATIVE WORKS CONFIRMED BETTER THAN PRIMARY SOURCES!
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>>24939526

That last entry is Hemo's answer to the stall-is-dead-complainers, I hope your bodies are ready for a whole new world.

Probably just some kind of weird test thing or gimmick fight in singleplayer.
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>>24939546
They have every single 2hu with canon evidence, even the normalfag rinnosouke and the "I am reimu and i beat you for no reason!"'s youkai that loves books.
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>>24939537
See when I started playing this I had no real clue what any of those were so I just picked the last one under the assumption that it had no effect and if it was a glorified "pick the starter" thing then whatever.

It did not take long for Raiko to grow on me.
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>>24939548
>780 BST
>japanese name
Who is this 2hu?!
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>>24939548
>Those stats
>That typing

Omega Shuckle.
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>>24939566
it just says "Test"
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>>24939581
KEK
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>>24939566
>>24939580
"tesuto", so a test puppet.

You honestly thought Hemo would make a BST 780 puppet?
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>>24939556
Even giant catfish?
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>>24939607
Yes, even the mecha too.
BUT, they are only masks of kokoro's alternate costume.
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>>24939607
No, because the giant catfish doesn't exist.
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>>24939618
B...bullshit! the giant fish is real! i know it!
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>>24939618
Next you're going to tell me that YuugenMagan and PC98 Marisa aren't real either.
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Alright, so SukunaD still largely trivializes Remilia, as expected. Remi's levels are less "fuck you" now- if you've not been grinding you should be on par with her strongest puppet.

I'm a bit disappointed that they lowered the levels... but then again old Remi with the new AI would be pretty terrifying.

Speaking of the AI, the boss battles with nuclear fusion playing are the only ones who have used it so far. The AI makes you think and anticipate, but it's not perfect from what I've experienced so far (it didn't anticipate overtake strike).

It's a shame that it's relegated to only leader battles, as having to actually use you brain in an in-game fight is a wonderful change of pace. Ah well. I'm just hoping that the approaching midgame isn't as much of a stomp as the original.


Ah, and areas have been modified as well. The forest of magic has ledges added so that your path is more directed and less "where the fuck am I". I think the Scarlet Mansion basement is unchanged, however.
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>>24939637
Leader battles are the only ones designed to actually have any difficulty. All the random trainers where you fight 2 of the same puppet are just free EXP.
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>>24939682
True, but I would have liked to have seen other prominent characters (like Sakuya) make some use of it.
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>>24939637
Anon, if the nerf to the main game makes you sad...you will love the buffs the postgame now has...
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>>24939692
Perhaps she does in the rematch?
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>>24939710
Well, if seems all the 2hus can appear i the battle tower...
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>>24939692
BTW, has anybody find Flandre or she is postgame?
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>>24939761
I didn't look... you know what, let me turn on speedhack and check it out.
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>>24939696
>That pic
FMW4?
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>>24939761
"You don't break! right?!"
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Do we have new spriterips yet?
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>>24939798
Nope, something i found on danbooru.
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Just a reminder the best team is what you find the most fun.
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>>24939808
Oh.
>tfw no more word about FMW4 from Sanbondo
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>>24939761
She's postgame.
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>>24939842
>Only three puppets
>on the fucking postgame
This should be illegal
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>>24939857
WAIT! i forgot her clones, you fight 4 flandres in a row?
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>>24939857
you fight all four of her in a row with no breaks
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>>24939867
Now you know why her title is Four of A Kind.
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>>24939870
And if you lose, she forces you to marry her.
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Is KogasaE any good
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>>24939870
Still, only three puppets? imagine a 4 in a row battles with full teams.
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>>24939902

She looks pretty bad at a first glance but she's still got an untranslated ability and skill so I can't say for sure yet.

They'd need to be some damn good tools to salvage her though.
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Ok, so I went back to the human village after the Scarlet Mansion and Reisen was there selling dream pills for 1000 a pop. They allow you to go back to the lunar capital.

also I can't believe that added a stealth section to this game

The lack of a translation makes it difficult to figure out how to use Sagume. Due to her nature I'm guessing she's rather gimmicky. I have no clue which form to aim for.


And for those who played the original hacks: it looks like YumekoP was reverted back to Steel/Dark.
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>>24939942
>stealth section
Why.
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>>24939942
So...you cannot fight the moonbitches at ay point? they always kick you out of dreamland?
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>>24939967
I'm guessing it's postgame. But yes, as of now they just give you the boot.
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>>24939985
Fucking moonbitches, literal space elves, thinking they are better than us.
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>>24939998
Junko did nothing wrong
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>>24940077
oh, and speaking of Lunarian scum, I found Yorihime in the capital. No sign of Toyohime yet.
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>>24939985
Cute ghost, dude.
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>>24940077
Junko herself said anybody that is not on the side of lunarians is not her enemy.
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>>24940102
She and Yukari are broing it up and wrecking everything in sight. They cover each other fairly well with their typings and even their base stats almost match.
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>>24940155
Oh, you found hemo's waifu, are you going to train her?
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>>24939556

It is missing a few of the nameless PC-98 mid-bosses.
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>>24940166
It's tempting, but it almost feels like it would be cheating considering how good she is. Same reason I don't really like to use SukunaD.

Man, I love Junko's sprite
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I won't be able to be here when this thread goes down so someone else is gonna have to bring up the next one, it's probably going to drop off about 4-6 hours from now.

It's easy shit to do for whoever feels like doing it. Just copy the OP, update the last thread link and change the "FAQ and misc links" to "FAQ, useful links and additional resources" for the big pastebin.

And don't forget the name.
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What do?
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>>24940194
Would love to see her alt costumes if you have the time
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>>24940384
Hard to say for certain while new abilities and moves remain ambiguous. But from what we have.

Go defense if you're boring and want a focus wall.

Power is the very definition of glass cannon and comes with great attacking STAB and fucking Starving Spirit (+critical nether earthquake)

Extra gives her dream typing, and if I'm remembering right her abilities give her a choice of free STAB combinations. Could be wrong on that. She has a solid offensive spread and learns sucker punch and pursuit as well.

Up to you man, whatever floats your boat.

>>24940402
sure, give me a bit
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>>24940265
When you update the main post, can you clarify use of the locale translator.

Something like
"To properly display menus, the game requires your computer to be in japanese locale or emulated via Locale Emulator provided in the download. to use Locale Emulator drag and drop game application onto the LEGUI file."

If any of the other voodoo I did (downloading japanese language packs, accidentally turning all my menus into moonrunes, et cetera) is required, please clarify that as well.
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>>24940384
I have a DoremyP as my starter and goddamn if she doesnt kill everything that's slower than her.
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>>24940516
Fucking hell Hemo. At this point I'm just laughing. Goddamn.
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>>24940549
I told ya he'd do it, but ya didn't believe me.
WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME?
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>>24940402
costume dump incoming
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lookit dem IV's aw yeah
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bright powder the costume
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>>24940662
CUHRAYZEE
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Was hoping Sagume would have had a sephiroth costume
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>>24940671

I'm cumming and I can't stop.
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Sounds like the new patch reduced the requirements to make a doll get a heart mark.
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>>24941132

That's pretty handy, having to take a puppet all the way from 1-100 is a bit silly.
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Well, looks like Kanako kept her levels at least.
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Translator Anon here to inform you of the finalized name for the new type; Henceforth, the new type will be called "Warped". We have debated this internally for quite some time, and after going over the facts and the connotations behind the kanji used, as well as the fact that the booster ability for it is called "Warped Bonus" (ワープボーナス), we agreed that Warped was the best possible choice.

Here is the type chart, as it is now presented on the wiki. There are slight changes to the type chart, such as Electric being weak to Sound, and Sound resisting Nether.
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>>24941422
>Warped
>Not just Warp
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>>24941472
Warp is the shorthand we agreed on.
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Updated the pastebin with the new Yume no Kakera type chart.

>>24941422
>>24941544
Derx, you almost gave me a heart attack; I knew I was going to miss out on a new resource in the thread.

Also, did everything got better with Mimic?
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>>24941599
We are still continuing the translation, if that's what you're concerned about. I've discussed stuff internally with the others, and we're currently working on translating the YnK Manual. While we aren't actively working on translating assets within the game yet, we are working on revising the 1.34 translation (and will release a patch with our brand new patching system, because fuck beat), and at the same time trying to learn what we can about YnK and translate stuff externally and document them first.
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>>24941631
>fuck beat
Good; never liked Beat that much, anyways.

Also, good luck with the translation project and better hope that Doremy isn't hinting at another expansion release.
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>>24941707
We live in fear of the day Zun release another game, and Hemo releases another expansion with these characters.

If Hemo does that I will eat my own hand.
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>>24941724
We all know that it's going to happen sooner or later.
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>>24941707
Wait what the hell, the puppets overworld sprites reflect their current costumes?!

My game is seriously bugged, as this isn't the only weird thing that doesn't seem to happen in my game.
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>>24941751
I'm pretty sure patch v1.010 is supposed to fix that.
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>>24941751
Locale?
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>>24941747
>taunting us with the new stand portraits
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>>24941772
Don't worry anon, I've changed my plans and decided to release the portraits about a month from now.
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>>24941786
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>>24941786
What is the key, and how do you figure it out?
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>>24941772
>>24941786
>>24941795
I've gotten tired of asking if anyone has compiled the images for release so I got off my lazy pso2-playing ass and compiled them myself.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3pondtoh32po1q2/ynk+images.rar
portraits and overworlds, for all you people who want them, as well as for those of you who were modifying the game to change the player sprites.
someone make me a renko/maribel/sumireko set while you're at it
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>>24941999
I wanted to have a bit more fun with them, Derx.
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I can't choose between Clownpiece and Sagume.
How are they in-game?
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>>24942199

Wish I could tell you, I haven't found either. I found Doremy and that girl I don't remember on Moriya Shrine though.
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>>24942213
Tell me about Doremy then, I'm interested.
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>>24942221
DoremyD is a wall.
DoremyP is an amazing Nether/Illusion glass cannon
DoremyE Is the unique pure Dream type
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>>24942221

I'm gonna be serious, I've only been using Kanako since I'm trying to find out what she got, although I brought some other puppets with me like Seiga and Meiling to see their Extra forms. I could go back and catch her though.
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>>24940516
Catch is that FORCES you to use Genbu first or else you have no water moves on her, which is on par with not running water moves on Kyogre in terms of stupidity. Which...you were going to do anyways 99% of the time so not like you give a shit.

So how the hell are we supposed to stop WaggyswaggyE
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>>24942335
Set something other first
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>>24942370
Don't terrain moves override each other anyways? So even if you put Seiryuu up first she can still override it with Genbu?
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>>24942335
Well no STAB water pre-genbu would increase the number of safe switch-ins pretty substantially. I can think of one potential way to deal with her already.
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Alright, I picked Sagume.
Can someone who understand nip tell me what are her abilities?
Also how do you get Extra puppets?
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>>24942430
Which would be?
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Where do I find the jp wiki?
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>>24942447
Extra form is just like any other, you can choose it upon getting a puppet to 30
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>>24942449
Curiosity users could dick her up in a lot of ways, especially with a free switch-in on Genbu.
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>>24941999
WHOOOO! THANKS BASED ANON!
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New thread when?
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Oh crap, this is a tsundere face...
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>>24943402
Never, once someone else makes any thread at all we die forever
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>>24943502
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>>24943402

I stated earlier that I thought the thread was going to drop off before I woke up and asked someone else to do it, but apparently I'm right on time so I can do it myself as always.

I'll have it up in just a moment.
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