ORAS confirmed for deepest lore

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>>21812436

>>21812436
Coming soon: Pokemon Omniverse and Pokemon Xenoverse

XY2 confirmed for taking place in the non-mega timeline?

Is she...talking about the GBA versions?

Holy shit, are BOTH VERSIONS CANON?

>>21812436
What the fuck

Where the Battle Frontier was already in the game...

>>21812484
DEEPEST LORE

Looks like GF realized mega evolutions are garbage and are setting up an excuse to remove them from all future games. Thank goodness.

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>>21812436

>>21812436
So that means that there are 5 Hoenns: Ruby, Saphire, Emerald, OR and AS. DEEPEST LORE

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>>21812484
Gamefreak you sly motherfuckers

>>21812490

BF was available in Emerald, not in R/S

u fooking wot m8

Please don't Zelda the franchise.

>>21812499
If only.

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>>21812436
2deep4me

>>21812436
So, when are we getting the Multiverse Pokemon that rules over the space between Universes? Every abstract concept must have a Pokemon

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>>21812500
>alt universes in this game will forever be referenced back to this pretentious piece of shit

Pokémon Multiverse confirmed.

>RBGYGSC timeline
>RSEFRLGDPPHGSSBWB2W2 timeline
>XYORAS timeline

What does this mean? Is there going to be another hoenn game or is it just acknowledging the older games?

>>21812436
And what about the Distortion World? How does it fit in this?

Sounds infinitely preferable.

>>21812436
What would a Kalos without mega evolutions have instead?

She's talking about the game you're playing in the van during the game's opening

>>21812522
Hoopa

And that's what the portals with the legendary Pokemon in them are. Hoopa is tearing open holes between dimensions and you are literally stealing legendary Pokemon from other places in space and time.

>>21812577
The latter, if another Hoenn game was made it would have Mega Evolutions

>>21812579
It is the Hub dimension

>>21812563
Why wouldn't RBGYGSC be in the same timeline as the other pre-XY games?

>>21812436
Distortion World?

GF confirmed for re-releasing ALL games but adding the subtitle ANOTHER SIDE to each title

>>21812579
That theory that everything after Gen 4 taking place in the new universe Cyrus created might just be correct, after all.

>>21812588
not shit

>>21812563
You're not diverging enough, EVERY game is it's own timeline, there are 9 Kantos: Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, FR, LF, HG and SS.

>>21812563
But if Timeline 2 is separate from XYORAS Timeline, how can you transfer Pokemon over from BW2?

>>21812610
Remakes

>>21812563
Think about stuff like the Sabrina redesign in Johto in HGSS that wasn't there in GSC. Or just the fact there are a whole bunch of Pokemon that didn't exist in Johto.

>>21812594
DEEPEST LORE. Gotta feel bad for all the protags from previous universes who lost the legendaries they were using to solo the Elite 4

>>21812594
Why can't I hold all this lore?

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>yfw

>>21812436
Yeah, because if we've learned anything from the bible and religion, it's that creation MYTHS are true

>>21812594
There is a universe where N never found truth or ideals because some kid wanted to to put a dragon in a PC box, damn you Hoopa

>>21812436
Someone get an RS pokemon onto ORAS and see if it says it traveled through space and time to get here

>>21812594
DEEPEST LORE
E
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P
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T

L
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Are you afraid of God, Birch?

RBGY / RSE -> GSC

LGFR -> HGSS - DPPT -> BWB2W2 -> XY -> ORAS

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>>21812588
70 pokemon.

>>21812621
Hoopa

>>21812613
Nope, it was AZ's weapon which caused the split.

http://youtu.be/OB-ZLeU81So?t=23m30s

>>21812685
Except that the Royal Unova hasn't been built yet at this point. Presumably ORAS takes place at the same point in the timeline as RSE, but simply in an alternate one.

>>21812655
That's not [DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP]

>>21812594
lol!
Yfw you steal the coverlegends from all the other games, making ORAS the only games canon

>>21812704
what the fuck then?

>>21812666
>There is a universe where Giratina never showed up to stop Cyrus during Platinums events
>All because of Hoopa

>>21812611
So Cyrus won after all, uh?

>>21812699
>shit voice
>lollipops
>sanic

Noped out

>>21812699
AZ's weapon shot Deoxys and turned it into a Pokemon.

>>21812436
Does that mean that there is a universe for the anime? And for all the manga? SO MUCH LORE.
Fanfic writers are gonna love this...

>>21812527
I hope you don't assume Pokemon is going to be able to pull off this bullshit any better?

>>21812712
There is a universe where the Legendary Dodges disapeared. Nobody even noticed except Eusine

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Maybe there's even a universe where there's no Pokemon.

Ours.

>>21812705
>[DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP]
>not [Dirty deeds done dirt cheap]
>not dati dizu don daato chipu
>not Filthy Acts at a Reasonable Price

>>21812685
Rby > Gsc
FrLg/Rse > HgSs/DpPt > BWBW2
Oras > XY

Pokebank is a dimensional transport

>>21812484
apparently XY and ORAS are a different canon from the rest of the games

>>21812746
Well Bioshock Infinite was basically completely rewritten and thrown together in 6 months based off assets from the previous development cycle so that's an advantage for Gamefreak.

>>21812710
RGB <-> RSE -> GSC

(alternate timeline)

FRLG -> DPPt <-> HGSS

(Cyrus creates another universe)

Pokemon Origins <-> ORAS --(many years later)--> BW -> B2W2 <-> XY

>>21812715
Nah, the new games aren't emo enough for Cyrus. Clearly his plans with MADE IN HEAVEN >>21812655 didn't work out as he intended

This franchise just keeps getting worse and worse.

>>21812436
So, is there an Arceus in every universe? Is there a Celebii in every universe? MUH LORE

>>21812592
This. Also, they need to explain why you can have a Taillow from Hoenn that was catched in a world without Gallade or Megas to the kiddies.

>>21812786
Speak for yourself.
This has made me completely forget about the lack of Gym Leader rematches

The kalos trio isn't in x and y, because they are in another dimension

>>21812771
then how can you trade from FRLG to Hoenn

>>21812819
Because Hoopa.

>>21812814
No, it's because they're in Kalos.

>>21812813

Your satiety from story changes in exchange for game play features is damning for the franchise.

Before you reach the Battle Resort, you meet Archie if you're playing Omega Ruby. He wonders if, in a different world, he would have been the one running amok and awakening Kyogre.

>>21812436
Next time Masuda is asked about timelines and Canon.
"It's all canon, it just hapened in another universe"

>>21812594
>Zekrom /Reshiram absorbed by the portals
>N never learn the lesson and with gthesis he conquered Unova

Damn .... thats a actually good , ita a shame that GF quit the BF and everyone is mad by that

>>21812836
Not talking about the xyz trio

>>21812813
Wait what? I thought gym rematches were confirmed by datamine AND the leakers

>>21812768
Well ORAS is a reskin of XY thrown together right after XY's release with a shitty plot device to halfass explain its mega evolution gimmick. So hey, guess it's even?

How can ORAS and XY take place in the same reality if people in ORAS are fully aware of the Fairy-type, but 15 years later they say it was only recently discovered?

>>21812851
What trio then, Diancie/Hoopa/Volcanion?

>>21812866
How can you be older than 18 if you think 15 years ago is too long for something to have been "recently discovered"?

>>21812594
Maybe event legendaries like Arceus are multiversal singularities. OK, maybe that's too much lore

>>21812855
If there were rematches we would have pics and videos by now.
There are no rematches for gyms, deal with it

>>21812866
How could the romans live on earth if gravity was only recently discovered

>>21812786
I mean I'm mad at the lack of BF and I'm not gonna buy ORAS but fuck if this didn't blow my mind in several ways, up to the point I started considering buying it only for the lore.

I still won't lol

>>21812866
OR/AS doesn't have to take place at the same time the originals did.

Or it's a retcon.

>>21812758
>YFW we live in prime earth
>and all the records of pokemon are only in videogames.

>>21812930
Until Giratina comes to devour us all by expanding the Anti-Matter universe that is

>>21812662
*tips fedora wisely*

>>21812662
You mean Arceus didn't create the universe and Mew wasn't the first Pokemon?

>>21812771
I think it's more
Original Games and Remakes sans XY

>>21812918
Alternative universe?

>>21812436
That actually explains why the tema rocket could not mega evolve gyarados in g/s/c or HG/SS

>>21812436
I've read enough Marvel and DC comics to know where this is going...

>>21812771
BW1/2 doesn't have fairy types, tho

>>21812758
DEEPEST LORE

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>>21812563
>>21812685
>>21812763
>>21812771
>this timeline shit is going to plague Pokémon for the rest of eternity like it does with Zelda

>>21813072
>implying that's not an improvement

>>21812839
[Not the guy you were replying to]
Has anyone ever told you that people like you are the ones who are actually ruining the franchise?
Pokémon is about the experience as a whole, just because a game doesn't have, say, gym leader rematches, doesn't mean it's fucking shit.
Also, this lore is cool as fuck and if you don't think so, well, you happen to be quite retarded.

His "satiety" does not change a damn thing.
Nothing an American player of the game does will ever change how the next ones will be.

>inb4 >falling for the bait

>>21812746
I can't see Pokemon even doing much with the concept, I just hate the fact that you can't mention multiverses without people bringing up Infinite, which not only was far from the first story to heavily utilize different dimensions but also did it terribly to boot.

>>21813094
I hate the timeline autists in Zelda. The games were never meant to all fit together, same with Pokémon.

>>21813120
It's there fault for releasing a timeline in the first place, though.

>>21813136
>implying autists didn't try to fit things together before Nintendo released the official timeline

Found in: Apparently, Kanto
>it traveled time and SPACE to arrive at Kalos

>>21813120
>games were never meant to all fit together, same with Pokémon.
What is red gyarados in dppt
What is red in hgss
What is traveled long distance against long travel through time when trading

Hoopa is Pokemon's CHIM

>>21813164
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

>tfw we were born in the worst timeline where some random bacteras killed the first pokemon

Timeline 1: gen 1 to gen 5
Timeline 2: ORAS and XY

>>21813184
>you will never have a gardevoir serve you drinks

>>21813174
Note the "all."

Some games allude to others definitely, and GSC is definitely a sequel to RBY, but shit like remakes aren't supposed to all live within the same canon.

>>21813215
Gen1/2 are their own timeline

>>21813215
Or
Timeline 1: Original games
Timeline 2: Third Versions
Timeline 3: Remakes

>>21813120
Eh, maybe so, but they left enough leeway for it to work, and now they're actively making it that way what with Windwaker connecting directly to Ocarina and Twilight Princess also serving as an alternate timeline direct sequel. Skyward Sword is the be-all, end-all beginning unless they make like a SUPER prequel where you play the original champion of Hylia, but that would be a bit bittersweet, as that didn't have a good end.

Either way, the classic games don't really fit 100% to a continuity, but Nintendo is trying their damnedest to work with them, and every new entry is actively placed into that timeline somewhere. Pokemon probably did the same thing. Personally, I give zero shits where a pokemon game takes place in a timeline, because it's not exactly known for deep, emotional story-telling. Zelda has become known for that over time, so it does. Apples and Oranges friend.

>>21813254
I like this. Let's go with this. It makes sense, explains a lot of bullshit and saves people headaches.

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OH FUCK
ADVENTURE/SPECIAL IS CANON, IT JUST HAS ITS OWN UNIVERSE

>>21813228
If you believe in rby > gsc then by default must also agree that FrLg > HgSs

If so, then the fact that trading between rse and frlg mentions long distance as opposed to time means they belong relatively close in time.

Bw and bw2 are direct sequels with a grown up caitlin from platinum. Cynthia also mentions the protag from platinum in unova.

Face it anon, there is a timeline.

>>21812613
What if it was the Shinjoh ruins event that created a new universe? Because it fucking did.

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>>21813283
EVERYTHING IS CANON

>Takes place in different Universe
>Emerald doesn't exist in this universe
>The Battle Frontier mentioned isn't the same one as Emerald
Battle Frontier confirmed

>>21813283

That's right: The edgyverse.

It's something like the ultimate comics.

>Hoenn introduced diving
>You dive deep into the water
>Deepest Lore

>>21813337
>using edgy without a hint of irony on the screen

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>>21812436
We're too deep.

We need a kick!

>>21813284
Yes, but something like

>RSE + FRLG leads to HGSS + DPPt leads to BW leads to XY

Is different than

>you see, RBY and GSC exist in the Stadiumverse, but they have their own variations in the WFCverse in FRLG and HGSS alongside RSE, but RSE has its own alternate version in the Pleaseunderstandu verse

One is less autistic than the other.

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>"Until we meet again"
>goes off on a journey
>can't be found anywhere in Hoenn

Zinnia confirmed for bringing her multiverse shenanigans to future games.

>>21813228
Actually the pokemon games had a defined cannon until gen 6

I think Masuda was the one who said the order

Anyway only gen 1/2 were in a separate cannon, and that's because they changed the engine completely and made remakes

The cannon was like this

Original:

Red/Blue/Green

(Yellow is non cannon and was fan service for the anime)

Two Years Later

Gold/Silver/Crystal*


Man Timeline:

Fire Red/Leaf Green
Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald*

Five Years Later

Diamond/Pearl/Platinum*
Heart Gold/Soul Silver

Unknown gap of time

Black/White

Two Years Later

Black2/White2

*The "middle" version of the game is considered the cannon story

Also, the Ranger games and the two Colosseum games fit into the timeline as well.

What is probably going to happen is they'll use X/Y and ORAS to jump off an alternate timeline to remake the other games.
My guess would be Kanto and Sinnoh sometime on the new 3ds.

And I think Genius Sonority is doing another Colosseum like game for the wiiu

>yfw each new gen is actually a new 'verse, because that's the way they want to make new types/new pokemon canon when they didn't exist in older gens.

>>21813403
Zinnia will appear in every single pokemon game fron now on to remind all the 10yo champions about MUH LORE

>>21813403
Oh snap.
She IS the Lorekeeper after all.
Fucking hyped.

>>21812436

> A slightly different Hoenn
> COMING SOON TO YOU!
> POKEMON: DELTA EMERALD EDITION!!!
> INCLUDING THE BATTLE FRONTIER!!!
> Mega Flygon? That slipped out of reality altogether.

>>21813429
Goddamnit. I hate Looker for that reason of appearing in fucking everything, now we have to deal with edgy Looker?

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>Hoopa just travels through realities

>however Volcanion creates new realities via higgs boson shenanigans, because he's a particle accelerator

>Volcanion is probably a man made mon like Genesect too

>>21813403
>tfw Zinnia is pokemon's Gilgamesh and Nippon Ichi's Asagi

>>21813436
can you fap to Looker?

>>21813461
Probably, if I tried hard enough.

>>21813417
It's always been three years between the Kanto and Johto games.

>>21813436
>All that shit taste
>>21813438
>Higgs boson in Pokémon
Way too complex. Volcanion is just boiling water pipes, not an actual particle accelerator.
>>21813441
>Asagi
My nigga.

>>21813403
>yfw Zinnia, Looker and Cynthia team up and go on crazy adventures
>yfw they bother every new protag to ever show up
>yfw they just use Cynthia's myriad holiday homes as their hideout

>>21812662

>creation myths
>can't prove this statement in any way, shape or form

I can't help but laugh at delusional people like you.

>>21813417
>yellow was non canon

How do you explain Red having all the starters and an unevolved pikachu?

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Pokemon New 52?

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>>21813429
So she's like Asagi?

>>21813438
>Volcanion was made by both Magma and Aqua in the original reality because Fire and Water type
>Therefore we're playing a game in a time line where they split up that was made by Volcanion

>>21813417
Actually it just dawned on me

Looker was in X/Y and they had a few references to past games, with that art museum and whatnot.

I suspect just for the sake of ORAS they came up with a reason in the lore to remake it.
Basically by stating that ORAS is an alternate reality they can get away with remaking it and connecting it to the main timeline, and other remakes without negating past events.

A clever little loophole that allows them to do more future side stories and remakes, but continue the main storyline.

>>21813483
It's cannon red caught all the kanto pokemon in his time.

Yellow is simply non cannon because of jessie/james/meowth

The Battle Frontier wasn't built in this universe yet

>>21813483
I don't understand why people call Yellow non-canon. Story-wise it had extremely minor differences; it just had some extra characters here and there that alluded to the anime. That's it. The main story is still exactly the same as R/G/B.

>>21813483
>Playing Yellow, the Anime based game
>Not Naming MC Ash
At least do it right, anon.

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>>21813220
Why even live?

>>21813477
Underrated post, underrated dubs.

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>>21813506
Psst, Anon. Canon with one n. A cannon is pic related.

>>21813541
For some reason, one of the first few posts that I make around here on a given day ends up being dubs. If only I could channel that luck into something useful. Like gambling. Or bitches.

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>This entire thread
What?

Timeline 1:RBY-GSC=Time capsule invented, time paradox goes on for so long without consequence, until timeline is eventually reset by malfunction-Timeline 2:FRLG=RSE-HGSS=DPPt-BW-B2W2=XY=Time Capsule reinvented, connects to Hoenn region from however many years ago, doing so disturbs time, ORAS, timeline 3 formed.

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>>21813552
s-sorry

>>21813566
ah okay

so then that's the main timeline and ORAS is in an alt reality so they don't negate anything

This also doesn't negate Gen 1/2 anymore

Fuck I can see them doing a call back to the gen1/2 timeline

>>21813563
It's easy to get dubs if you know your shit, though
That's pretty interesting, how many times has this happened?

>>21813596
Other way around bro

ORAS is the alt

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>>21813599

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>>21813326
>Sonichu is canon

>>21813589
>Fuck I can see them doing a call back to the gen1/2 timeline
Entei/Raikou/Suicune use their original GSC music. Lugia and Ho-Oh use their HGSS music.

In other words, Hoopa stole Entei/Raikou/Suicune from the Old universe and stole Ho-Oh/Lugia from the Main universe.

>>21813616
Technically they're both alternates of each other, since we have no proof RSE was the "original" timeline.

Makes sense due to your pokemon being older than the ones before the original trainer began his or her own journey. Pokemon is in a loop circle.

If nothing else, this explains the existence of multiple singular Pokemon, like the multiple Mewtwo running around.

>>21813626
Let's change our previous statement into
>Everything GameFreak endorsed in one way or another is canon

CRISIS
ON
INFINITE
EARTHS

>>21813053
>Team Rocket was trying to mega-evolve Gyarados
>The true power that Colress seeks is mega-evolution

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>Gen 2 introduced time travel
>Gen4 introduced literal God Pokemons
>Gen 6 introduced multiple universes

What will we get in Gen 8?

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>>21813403
>can't be found anywhere in Hoenn

What the fuck? That great of a battle theme and you cant even rebattle her?

>yfw this is the fault of whoever released Hoopa from it's "prison bottle".

He couldn't leave well enough alone.

>>21813618
Thank you

>>21813599
Just about every time I make the desicsion to post on /vp/, one of my first three or so posts ends up being a GET. Of course, this is on a board that moves fast enough for everyone to see dubs or better at least once in a day. That and, you know, this board isn't bothered much by such things.

That said, I'd trade my ability to land dubs for more consistent crits from the RNGod in an instant.

>>21813716
Whatever generation 8 holds, sinnoh remakes will happen.

>>21813566
It still bugs me that we've never really gotten an official word on how many years passed between DPPt and BW.

>>21813716
>What will we get in Gen 8?
You are the pokemon, anon.

Actually, maybe we'll actually get some cool Occulus rift-style apparatus from Ninty and actually delve into the game ourselves

>>21813716
Character customization.

>>21813769
>You are the pokemon, anon.
MYSTERY DUNGEON CONFIRMED

>>21813636
OH MAN FUCK

>>21813720
Nope and her grandmother is the one who gives you the Salamence megastone.

>>21813783

haha. good one, anon

>>21813811
Every time I see something great with this game, something worse takes away from it.

Do you know if you can find Deoxys somewhere if you kill it in space or is that a one time catch?

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>>21813720
>tfw using her battle theme online

>>21813761
Unofficial as fuck, but:
Caitlin didn't look older than 12 or 13 in Platinum, and by BW I'd probably give her somewhere around 19/20. So in total, about 7 years.

I'm sure there are better, more thought out theories, though.

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>>21813220
Would you like some more, Master?

>>21813881
Your face when generation vii takes place between the gap.

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>>21813636

>yfw dog trio are the Gen I eeveelutions' mega forms in an alternate dimension

>>21813881
Yeah, the general estimation is somewhere between 5 and 9 years, but it's still the only time gap that hasn't been officially confirmed.

>>21813720
>Not just listening to it online

>>21813513
All it means is that those minor differences didn't happen into the main timeline of the universe.

It is pretty consequenceless, but it means that Jessie/James do not exist in Gold and Silver because they aren't a part of the true story line.

>>21813881

7 is the absolute minimum, because Unova Rocket guy has to go home, knock up a chick, and have the child grow up far enough that they no longer use the Kindergartener sprite.

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>all this lore

>>21813937
>Hoopa took Jessie/James from the ashnime to an alternate timeline of RB, hence making Yellow

>>21813922
Then what of the other eeveelutions.

>>21813957

>Still more regions to discover

You tell me, anon :^$

why does everyone seem to think that XY is included in the separate cannon or ORAS?

there's no evidence to suggest that. in XY's universe mega evolution is something that is central to and was discovered in kalos. from what i've heard of ORAS, mega evolution is tied somehow to rayquaza.

i propose that XY is in the same universe as RBYGSCRSEDPPtBWBW2, and the only one in a separate universe is ORAS

People are reading too much into this shit, it's just an explanation for the differences in this game compared to the originals, as well an answer to which versions are canon.

>Dimensional Shifter
>In Japan, PokeTransfer is called "Pokeshifter"
>When you send Pokemon from Gen 4 to Gen 5, you're sending them into the BW/XY/ORAS dimension

>>21813926
>>21813950
I wonder if they're leaving it open for something like >>21813918.

Why only up to 9 years, though.

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>>21813981
But Anon, reading into shit is what American geeks do. Our cultural ancestors are the people who jizzed themselves when Mr. Snakes On A Plane showed up at the end of Iron Man and announced The Avengers.

>>21813979
>was discovered in kalos
No, it was created because of a cannon shot 3000 years ago by AZ. Apparently it hit a meteorite, the stones mutated and became the mega stones. And I believe there's where they make the connection.

>>21813985
deep dark lore

>>21813979
Zinnia outright states that the Kalos war only happened in the ORAS timeline.

>>21812758
shit

>>21814008
>tfw trying to tie together all the Tarantino movies

It's not that hard, actually.

>>21814008
>Yellow to Crystal continuity
But that's wrong.

>>21813417
>(Yellow is non cannon and was fan service for the anime)

But Red owns a Pikachu and all three starters in the Johto games!?

>>21813696
>Red from R/B/Y has to team up with Brandon from ORAS to save the pokemon multiverse

>>21813979
>why does everyone seem to think that XY is included in the separate cannon or ORAS?
Zinnia confirms that the Ultimate Weapon didn't get set off in the old universe, so XY takes place in the same universe as ORAS.

>>21814037
Does the Fairy type only exist in the new timeline?

>>21814049
He probably just traded for them.

>>21813337
>edgy

Go back to 9fag if you wanna shitpost to give people cancer

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>mfw lysandre did nothing wrong

holly shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-rl0tfQO9E

>>21814057
If nothing else, Gamefreak at least tries to come up with excuses for its retcons. That's why they make it a point to make sure that new evolutions of old Pokemon require something that was unavailable in past generations (although they kind of screwed up with Piloswine).

>>21814057
Think about it. Gardevoir wasn't fairy type in the previous games(universe)

>>21812436
So are they going to retcon any story elements from the older generations?

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>>21813477
>gen 7 announced
>you can choose one of three main characters
>looker, cynthia, or zinnia
>The other 2 are your rivals
>Plot focuses around traveling to other "universes" or gens traveling to stop Hoopa
>yfw

>>21814037
>Zinnia outright states that the Kalos war only happened in the ORAS timeline.
Where did she say that? What were her words?

>>21814100
could he even learn ancient power before?

was ancient power even a move before?

I've always liked the plots and lore of pokemon (inb4 who plays for the plot?), and these past 2 (I guess three, with DPPt) have been great, as I can see where GF is trying to get better when it comes to the games' plots and characters and shit.

>>21814106
To be fair, they never really explained why Magnemite was suddenly part steel, and the emergence of dark types. I don't think they'll explain the reason why some pokemon are fairy types.

>>21812436
I guess it sorta explains why there are multiple versions of legendaries in the games. I always kinda found it dangerous to catch a Legend that plays a vital part in stabilizing the world.

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>Blue is the only person to show up in every timeline

what does it mean

>>21814138
Ancient Power has been a move since Gen 2, I'm fairly sure.

>>21814148
>in every timeline
I still don't see him in the XYORAS timeline.

>>21814160
He's mentioned to be in Kalos in XY

>>21814160
He was seen in Kalos by an NPC, he even still says "Smell ya later" according to the guy.

>>21814160
He is mentioned by an NPC

what I really like about ORAS the most is that I really feel like playing Orlando and May instead of self insert 10yo.

>>21814146
>I always kinda found it dangerous to catch a Legend that plays a vital part in stabilizing the world.

>tfw the series is based on Plato's world of forms and ideas, and the legendaries we catch are only physical aspects, not the actual creature living in the world of ideas.

Unknown would truly be powerful, then. I'm sure they live in the world of ideas.

>>21814160
If the history of the ORAS timeline still includes Kanto more or less untouched (except for megas), he'd exist there.

>>21814134
At the end of Episode Delta the plan is to teleport the asteroid to the RSE dimension, but Zinnia explains that the ultimate weapon from the war 3000 years ago was never built in that dimension and Mega Evolution never became a thing. The RSE would have no way to stop the astoroid as a result, so Zinnia destroys the teleporting thingy

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>>21814188
>>21814185
So is blue then the pokemon version of space dandy?

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>>21814134

>>21814185
>>21814188
>>21814189
Ah fuck now I remember, the guy was in a restaurant. My bad.

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>Primal Groudon/Kyogre theme
>you can hear parts of the original GBA theme fading in and out among the new version of the theme
>The new theme is actually a combination of all their themes in all the universes
>Primal Reversion is them obtaining the power from all their versions from all the different universes/timelines and becoming their true self, the ones that created the original land and sea

HOW DEEP CAN THE LORE GO?

>>21813436
>>>/mlp/

>>21814148
Blue is obviously omnipotent

>>21814206
Or there's multiple Blues.

>>21814207
WELL FUCK

>>21813937
now this is just full autism from yu

>>21814160
He was mentioned by a NPC, didn't appear in person though. He retained his "smell ya later" line from frlg, if that adds to anything.

>>21812499
I wish.

>>21814057
I guess. It makes sense, fairy types not being discovered or non existent in those time lines

>>21814224
Not everything is a stealth pony comment. I'm not even sure how that can be construed as one.

>>21812666
Satan confirms

>>21814232
His character changes carried on consistently from RB/GS to every timeline though

>>21814202
Thank you bro. Holy jesus fuck too much lore for me

>Playing babby pleb games for childrens
>1889

lmao

>>21814277
Presumably, the events of all past games still happened in the current universe, except they played out a bit differently due to Fairies and Mega Evolution being a thing.

>>21814207
>RSE starts a linear timeline up to the kalos games
>ORAS timeline is the one where the ultimate weapon was built.
>Establishing a link with past Hoenn via time capsule Joins X/Y to that timeline and all its' history
>X/Y universe represents a joint future between the original and the remake
The plot thickens

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>yfw Pokemon Origins is part of the Mega Evolution timeline

>>21814351
Holy shit

>>21814207 holyshit
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>>21814273
>edgy
>buzzword loved and spammed by horse-fuckers, fedoritos and underaged faggots

>>>/mlp/
>>>/out/

>When you send a Pokemon forward between Gen 3 and Gen 5, the Pokemon always has a "traveled through time" message
>Sending it from Gen 5 to Gen 6 changes the message to "Traveled through Time and Space"
God damn it, Gamefreak.

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>>21814218
I imagine that there's a "prime universe" where the legendary pokemon really do what their lore says.

>A world where Regigas really did tow the continents
>A world where Kyogre and Groudon did create the sea and land
>A world where the DPPt legendaries are truly masters of time and space and God
>All of the various timelines use this "Poke-Earth Prime" as a point of reference

This Pokemon multiverse bullshit is terrible writing. It appeals to the worst kind of fans.

>lol my personal headcanon shit

>>21813566
>tfw you will never get to play a remake of G/S/C where you know the events of R/B/Y and R/S/E have already taken place, so you get to travel to both Kanto and Hoenn and battle Red and Brendan/May

>>21814380
She looks like the fucking KLK girl, how else would you describe her?

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>>21814399
>Arcanine is actually a legendary Pokemon

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>>21814388

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>in one timeline the meteorite get send to the old timeline and lands in Kanto(FRLG Deoxys event)
>in another timeline it lands in Hoenn(Emerald)

Why doesn't Fairy-type exist in all timelines?

>>21814462
Someplace, somewhere there are Indian Elephants

>>21814455
>wears black
>"HURRR EDGEY MAYMEEM"

Stop ashaming yourself even more, this is cringe-worthy already.

>>>/out/

>>21814388
aaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>21814388

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>>21814388

>>21814472
What about when it landed in Sinnoh? And I believe there's a place for it in BW, too.

>>21814481
Well, what about Dark and Steel too? Technically it doesn't exist in the original RBY timeline.

>>21814481
Az built the ultimate weapon because of his Floette. The reason he didn't build it in the old timeline was because there were no Floette and fairies didn't exist. Instead, the war ended quietly and wasn't important enough to go down in history.

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>>21814405
>Implying Pokemon wasn't already rampantly full of headcanon.
>Implying headcanons can be ever stopped.
Your reality's headcanon is shit.

>>21814388
OH SHIT

>>21814520
>Technically it doesn't exist in the original RBY timeline
In that timeline the types were discovered in the two year span between RBY and GSC.

>>21814481
Something about AZ's weapon, maybe?

Hey guys...

Isn't everything after the elite four non-canon? So episode Delta never actually happens...

>>21814481
>>21814520

The truth is that the pokémon universe itself is a pokémon and he's actually evolving. Each time he evolves, it becomes a new reality with at least 3 concurrent timelines. He's already on it's third stage, which means next timeline will introduce 4-stage evolutions

>>21813403
So the traveling characters of the franchise are
Cynthia, Zinnia, N, B/W protag, and Looker.

>>21814541
Except XY are in universe C, the one where the war 3000 years ago happened and where Mega-evo exists.

>>21814551
Where on earth did you get that from?

>>21814148

It must mean Blue IS A TIME LORD

>>21814541
the difference between the new universes is the Megas, so it can't be that way

>>21814525
So then is the next step finding out where the fuck the fairies came from to begin with?

inb4 it was all according to Arceus' keikaku

>>21814551
Or it takes a page from Other M and confirms itself as the only canon

>>21814551
No? Nothing particularly implies post game content is non-canon. The only thing questionable about it in the past was the abundance of supposedly unique legendaries running around, which is now explained by Hoopa + alt universes.

>>21814551
Most retarded thing I've read in a while.
Sidequests aren't canon. Delta Episode isn't a sidequest, it is a continuation of the main plot.

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>>21814569
>>21814581
Like this?

>>21814564
Blue too, because he keeps showing up

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> yfw origins is canon and acts as the kanto saga of the mega evolution universe

>>21814564
>N, B/W protag
I don't get it, why them ?

>>21812766
Which means no Mega Pokémon next gen?
Pokémon is saved.

>>21814602
Saved

this is the excuse GF will use in Gen8 when they remove all the megas because Gen8 games will be taking place in FRLGRSEHGSSDPPTBWBW2 continuity

>>21814563
Underrated post.

>>21814563
RBY/GSC: First Stage
RSE/FrLg/DPPt/BWB2W2: Second Stage
XY/ORAS + Gen 7: Third Stage

Gen 8: ?

>>21814616
N left Unova for a while before returning.
BW1's protag left Unova to look for N.

Zinnia is a time traveler. Looker is her partner. Nia means near,but what about zin?

>>21814602
Wouldnt RBY and GSC be seperate as well since no Dark/Steels in one?

>>21814602
Yes, perfect I guess, but I think X/Y would happen a few years after ORAS since it happens on the same year as B2W2

>>21814626
>FRLGRSEHGSSDPPTBWBW2
kekd hard

>>21813788
>mystery dungeon for the oculus rift
10/10

it's 2016
kanto and johto sequel 20 years into the future.
Pokemon 20th anniversary edition

>>21814648
Oh, you just meant regular travelling instead of dimensional one. Seems only Zinnia is able to do the latter.

>>21814626
Gen 8 will take place in a timeline with 20 types and 30 new PokéFusions

>>21814652
No, that's just a gameplay retcon.

>>21814652
no, since there were no dark or steel pokémon in the original kanto dex
and they just didn't look at magnemite properly

>>21814602
soo Zinnia lives in universe B?

this shit is never going to go away, is it

I guess something needed to fill the vacated friend safari thread spot, but this is going to leak into every fucking thread where anyone mentions more than one game

fuck

Crisis on Infinite Earths coming soon

>>21814668

>Part of the game involves you going through a portal into the original reality
>Graphics go back to 16-bit sprites
>Special stats merge into one
>No abilities

>>21814668
Zinnia travels to Kanto and blown our minds, after kickin Red's ass.

>>21812499
We fourth permanent evolutions now.

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>Distortion World = Baseline reality.

>Arceus = Typical demiurge that periodically spawns from the chaos of the Distortion World and creates a local reality.

>Palkia and Dialga - They dictate the laws of physics within the demiurge's local reality.

>Giratina - They guard the boundary between a local reality and baseline reality, preventing anomalous phenomena like Hoopa from intruding.

>Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza - Typical anagers of the local Earth.

>Azelf, Mesprit, and Uxie - They dictate the three attributes of sapience within humanity.

>Humanity - The typical favored earthly residents. Although they don't seem like they should be the dominant species compared to earthly Pokemon, most demiurges twist fate to put them in charge. A notable exception is the PMD reality.

>Hoopa - A resident of the Distortion World. It managed to poke its way into the XY/ORAS reality and fuck with everyone because the local Giratina is still butthurt.

>Unown - ???

The lore has gone so deep it broke through the fabric of reality.

>>21814684
We don't know.

>>21814602
you're missing an arrow connecting FR/LG with HG/SS
tho Red has a pikachu and 3 starters
dunno how to explain it then

>there's like 1 may for each universe
breddy good

>>21814711
He's Red. He managed to catch the other 2 somewhere.
Also nice dubs.

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>>21814602
I just threw some edits together in paint without regards to how it looks.

>>21812436

>implying this is lore
>implying this isn't just Game Freak being dirty trolls
>implying Game Freak didn't get lazy with the explanation of megas in ORAS

>>21814711
>dunno how to explain it then
Obviously there's places in universe with wild starters. Players can't find them because of GF wants to encourage trading.

>>21812610
They changed things, so they're their own timeline.

So basically we're at this

Timeline 1: RBY -> GSC

Timeline 2: RSE -> DPPt = HGSS -> BW -> BW2

Timeline 3: Origins -> ORAS either = or -> XY

DEEPEST LORE

>>21814684
Zinnia lives in universe C, but she's the lorekeeper so the knowledge of alternate realities has been passed onto her.

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>>21814751
I think this works more, made sense out of gen iii to gen iv branching

Elevator Hex Maniac travels between dimensions too?

>>21814693
>16-bit

There were never any 16-bit Pokémon games, anon. Gen I and II were 8-bit, Gen III was 32-bit.

>>21814707
>Unown
Competitively, the absolute most useless pokemon ever conceived. But I'd love to see more written about them.

I always assumed that they were detritus between dimensions, fragments created by the clash of worlds or legendaries. Unown act like a hive mind, but not to any notable level of sentience.

>>21812771
RGB (Three ways later) GSC

FRLG <-> RSE (Three years later) HGSS <-> DPPt (Years later) BW (Two years later) BW2 <-> XY

Origins <-> ORAS (Three years later) HGSS <-> DPPt/Gen IV remake (Years later) BW (Two years later) BW2 <-> XY

>>21814351
>endofpokemon.avi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtXaKsd7jm4

>>21814707
>Giratina - They guard the boundary between a local reality and baseline reality, preventing anomalous phenomena like Hoopa from intruding.

>There will never be a movie with Giratina vs Hoopa, where Giratina is trying to prevent Hoopa from fucking up the different dimensions.

It'd play out like some sort of fusion between the Giratina/Shaymin movie, and the Rayquaza/Deoxys movie.

>>21814823
Maybe humans based their language off of the unknown. Or, maybe the unknown are messengers that communicated with humans to bring them closer to understanding pokemon, so together, they can live a harmonious life.

>>21814852
I think the implication is that HGSS, DPPt, and the BW games themselves didn't happen in this dimension, but the events played out essentially the same.

>>21814892
Unknown are the true lore keepers. They are the written records of all evwnts across all worlds.

Don't we need a new thread already?

>>21814913
Board moves slower than your grandma, it's fine.

>>21814751
I think this one has it right. Saved

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>>21814805
Since the alternate timeline thing is likely there to explain compatibility, I'm more inclined to think that XY is somehow in between the two timelines.

>>21814571
I only assumed that because the stuff you do post-game in BW doesn't happen in BW2, because the protag apparently ran off searching for N?

I mean, Red becoming champion is canon for sure.

>>21814594
Er, what are the other post game events that are canon? Red catching Mewtwo(?), etc.

I haven't been paying too much attention to the leaks I heard something about Steven stepping down and Wallace taking over, but what happened to you? Is it that you basically step down as soon as you become champ and Steven is "still" the champion? Or is it that Steven stepping down and Wallace taking over is not exactly canon?

>>21814959
EL PSY CONGROO

Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJEGb4MPV6I

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>>21814959
>XY takes place a valley between two timelines

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>>21814967
>>21814986
My niggas

>>21812436
WAIT A MINUTE DOC, ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU BUILT A SPACE MACHINE? OUT OF A POKEMON?

>>21814959
Going from Gen 5 to Gen 6 makes it clear that you aren't just moving your Pokemon forward or backward in time, see
>>21813164
>>21814388
So XY is almost definitely split off even though you can go from No Megaverse to Megaverse with the Bank.

>tfw when pokemon delta z
>plot revolving around traveling through universes and branching timelines
>battle frontier in space
>trainer customization returns
>pokemon follow you
>alternate palettes beyond shinies

>>21815036
Bank is Hoopa's home