I honestly want to know with this poll hijacking, what's

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>why hate Lucario when its shoved into every piece of medium forcing it down our throat

hurr durr i dont know

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>>20763783
The Mystery of Mew movie?
Negro, that movie brought me to manly tears.
I've liked Lucario since Gen 4. Getting to see more of it has only been a blessing.
>tfw it was on your list of top 6 favorites for a long time and despite having dropped from that list is still your bro

People hate it because it's been the new mascot since Gen 4 or earlier while other pokes are so rarely publicized.

It's basically the Main character of the Games.
Like how Ash is the MC of the Anime

>>20763783
furries

>>20763823
That's fucking stupid reason to hate anything

They're just jealous. Feels good being a Pikachu, Greninja, Lucario, Charizard and Blaziken fan.

>>20763835
i like pikachu, gardevoir, lucario and blaziken.
come at me.

>Lucario my favourite pokemon
>It's hated here
>I'm the hipster of /vp/
Feels good man

>>20763835
You forgot Gardevior too

At least Smogon doesn't have a boner for it any longer

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>>20763783
I liked Lucario when it came out on gen IV. I don't understand why /vp/ doesn't like edgy things.

It's cool, it's fucking strong, its Mega made it even more awesome (kinda like Giratina has an apprentice)

My all time top favourite pokemon. It's ridiculously unpredictable. (It has 4 main set, 8 subset, and at least one will fuck you sideways)

because gf keeps smacking me in the face with it
I liked it initially but im sick of it now

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>Lucario my favorite pokemon
>i like Blaziken,Lopunny Zoroark,Delphox
>not a furry
>i dont find any of those attractive
>>20763835
>>20763840
>>20763851
Im with you guys there

>>20763875
yeah thats talonflame

>>20763783
Shoved into our throats with any medium possible
Most of it's fanbase are annoying furtists
Shit design
Anime/movie portrays it as edgy as fuck
Ridiculous typing/movepool (i mean why the fuck is it a steel type, and how the fuck does it get to learn nasty plot, dragon pulse, blaze kick or dark pulse)

>>20763817
The lucario movie's lore was so good they used it for gen 6 plot.

>>20763812
i-i like ff13 trio

>>20763876
But it plays nothing fucking like giratina.

>>20763783
Here is a better topic:

Why doesn't Jigglypuff get the respect she deserves? A 18-year old veteran in Smash needs to be recognized.

>>20764212
He's talking about it visually, you autist.

>>20764251
Being sakurai's waifu doesn't mean shit.

If he wasnt so popular i would like him

I personally really like Lucario myself - it's a cool design, interesting typing and actually pretty good in-game too!

I definitely sympathise with people who are sick of seeing it promoted in everything, but that doesn't make me like it any less.

Still, it's a shame Zoroark didn't become the 'new' Lucario, and that there wasn't really a contender for the position in Gen VI (other than Hawlucha maybe?). Variety is the spice of life!

>>20764290
>It's popular so I hate it

How fucking autistic do you have to be? I'm the same way but manage to like Lucario

I posted this in the last thread
Honestly, its just fucking stupid. I know I cant speak for everyone but everything about it erks me. It has a horrible design, the constant pandering is annoying, the anime made it super fucking edgy. No clue how people like this thing. Its not even because its popular. I like other popular mons.

>>20764301
I dont know why I let retards ruin things i like. I still have to pretend I dont like the nightmare before christmass.

Reminder /vp/ alone can't rig that poll and other people share the same hate.

>>20764259
>Sakurai's waifu

She was on the chopping block in Brawl.

>>20764259
>sakurai's waifu
>not palutena

>>20763783
I like Lucario, but I do agree that it's given way too much attention. I was pretty mad when I made the effort to catch a Riolu in X, only to be given a Lucario with a megastone and had all-around better stats and nature. Why?

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I'm fine with Lucario ingame. It's a nice mixed Pokemon with a lot of strategies to use. I don't mind the fanbase. It's OK. Every Pokemon has a weird-ass fanbase.

What I don't like is how GookFreak treats it like Jesus mixed with fucking Christmas and sushi or whatever the fuck they do over there. Every fucking year they throw it some kind of worship en masse like it was their own fucking savior. Movies, episodes, anime, representations in the fucking games of a stupidly main characterish nature. Unlike Lightning, it's been shoved down our throats far longer, but the premise is still there. And they don't realize that maybe, 'hey, maybe we should keep that to the anime only guys'. But no, there it is. Intruding on our lives like a fucking plague everywhere we fucking go or look. In Kerfluffle, in X/Y, in the TV Skits, in everything. And that's why I don't fucking like it.

Pretty simple, I think stylistically Edgedog's design is absolutely horrible.

Sure, fanbase is p garbage as well but why should I care about that.

>>20764550
>Comparing Lucario to Lightning

No matter how much people dislike Lucario, Lightning is worse. Far worse.

>>20764592
>implying they won't feminize Lucario like they did Mewtwo and not shut up about it.

>>20764603
Unless they make the female variant of Lucario have pink fur like something out of a Pokemon Furry comic, that probably wont happen.

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>>20764251
I am glad that Jigglypuff got a different render and pose in the Smash 4 leak instead of the same fucking shit since Smash 64.

>sonic of pokemon
>bland dog
>why is it steel
>anyone who likes this is a furry
>boring
>here take this free lucario times gorillion
>worst fighting type design wise

>>20764251
I'm content with Jigglypuff's Smash recognition. Game Freak won't recognize her, but at least she has a permanent spot in Smash.

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Because Lucario is cute

>>20763783
I actually like Lucario and I'd consider it among my favorites. However I think it's unnecessary for them to shove it in peoples faces as much as they do.

It's voiced by fucking Goku. That alone makes it awesome.

ITT: /vp/ suddenly loses it's hate and autism

>>20764858
These are the off hours, if this had been posted 12 hours from now there would be so much hate.

>>20764858
murrikans aren't here

>>20764865
If only it'd be like this all the time. ;_;

>>20764878
Yes I am.

>>20763783
I don't like his typing. Any time I play against someone who is using him I never see it as a threat

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>>20763783
I don't hate Lucario because it's not on the tier of "Used in everything" like this fat pseudodragon is

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>used to be fed up with Lucario
>decides to use one for the first time in Y
>still not a favorite but don't think it's so bad now

>>20764364
Nope. Some autist on here set up a bot to screw with the votes.

I like Lucario, probably a lot more than I do some other Pokemon; I just think Gamefreak needs to stop pushing it and let some other Pokemon have some spotlight. At the very least, change shit up every Generation.

>>20763783
People like to hate what is popular because they want to be original.

Lucario is a 10/10 Pokemon.

>>20765222
Trips confirm

I liked it initially but seeing it everywhere and it having a ridiculous/unjustified typing and receive all the good shit every gen while the rest are getting shafted makes me hate it. Especially since it is forced to us as the premier fighting type when clearly, other pokemon deserve that title more.

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>>20763783
you know that marginally likable pop song that gets played in the radio 5x an hour? there's your answer

>>20765252
Yeah but, if it's the radio station that's playing it a lot, why hate the song, why not hate the station for overplaying it.

On a related note, it looks like the poll is down again.
I presume some committee at TPCI are shitting themselves over what to do if they really can't make Lucario win.

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>>20763783
>displaces every other mon where it appears
>always given to you as a pre-evo or as it is
>forces you to mega evolve
>shoehorned into almost every fighting type specialist and replaces previous signature mons (i.e., bruno)
>given a good typing because fuck if i know aside from blatant favoritism
>given every good move while other fighting types with better concepts and design get squat

>>20765267
gee, i don't know. have you considered the fact that all the radio stations and even your office mates are doing it??

>>20764805
This is about how I feel. Lucario isn't a bad Pokémon, and i don't dislike it, i even bothered to breed and train one, but I feel like it's very unnecessary for it to be shoved in our faces all the time.
To those who say "GameFreak does it because it's popular and it sells!" remember that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, it sells because that's what they push, they could hype any other Pokémon like that.
That said, I usually don't care, because I rarely pay attention to Pokémon outside the main games and Smash. I think Lucario is neat, and I have since seeing him on Iron Island in Diamond.

>>20765355
That's because, honestly, Zoroark got pushed during a time that being black-and-red with spikes was on the out. Lucario was unique looking, Charizard was Charizard, and Greninja was something new. Zoroark legitimately looked like an OC hedgehog.

>>20763783
>And that movie made it look edgy
U wot m8? What was even remotely edgy about that film?

>>20763783
It's bad designed, but I didn't really mind it untill furfagotry made me hate it

>>20765252
this

>>20765376
>That's because, honestly, Zoroark got pushed during a time that being black-and-red with spikes was on the out. Lucario was unique looking, Charizard was Charizard, and Greninja was something new. Zoroark legitimately looked like an OC hedgehog.

Still proves that there has to be something special before a push works but I get what you're saying. It was created in the right place at the right time, it's a classic design, it's fresh etc. Whatever reason it may be, it has to have "it" before the push works.

To use another example, it's like in professional wrestling where no matter how much exposure some wrestlers get, they never manage to become as popular as the big stars.

I only hang out on /vp/ for Pokemon and on /vp/ there is no Lucario fanbase out in the open for me to hate so fanbase isn't an issue for me when it comes to Lucario.

I hate it because it gets forced down our throats everywhere from anime, Smash, the games and other smaller details like Lucario rank in PMD, giant Lucario statue and first mega ever. And after all this promoting and pushing, for a fairly meager or unnoticeable fanbase in the overall Pokemon fandom compared to the other guys like Pikachu, Eevees and Charizard. When you think "popular Pokemon", how often do you think Lucario? It's only somewhat popular for all the pushing it gets and if it weren't for that it'd be on the lower end of popularity like Absol, Zoroark or Zangoose.

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>>20764296
>hawlucha
How in the fuck is Hawlucha being pushed as the new Lucario? I think you meant Greninja

>>20765422
Colt cobana says hi

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Cobalion is cooler.
And they have the same colors.

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>>20765636
>this trio
>cooler than anything

>>20765636
>this
>better than lucaribro

>>20763783
I like fighting types

>>20763783
I enjoy lucario because it has an enjoyable design and learns a lot of moves I like that I did not expect. I do not care for it being forced at all and while I can agree with that the same can be said for almost anything generation 1.

>>20763783
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7WtkdLQ6PM

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>>20765790
>>20765778
It ain't hard to be better than Lucario.

>>20765817
why did you post this here?

>>20765815
> the same can be said for almost anything generation 1

sure hate seeing venomoth, dewgong, exeggutor and magmar everywhere. when would GF stop shoving them down our throats?

>>20765252
That also applies to Eeveelutions.

>>20765838
Yet somehow cobalion fails to do so

>>20765778
>one member looks like an MLP pony, so they all look horrible!

>>20765847
well i also don't like them very much, what's your point? i just used the reaction image

>>20763783
I don't like it's design. It looks like it's wearing a bandana and shorts, and I think that looks stupid. Also, the placement of those spikes makes no sense and just bugs me.

Otherwise its a fine pokemon, but I still probably wouldn't use it - it's a glass cannon, and I prefer to use bulky or stall-y 'mons.

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>>20765880
>using reaction images of characters you don't like
Mako a shit
KLK a shit in general but Mako's in her own class of shit

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>hating Lucario

/vp/'s just full of obnoxious hipster trash that hates popular shit.

>>20763783

>why hate an edgy mary sue

this is a silly question.

>>20765892
they're more tolerable than your auradoge

>>20765846
I know right! As soon as I received that krabby egg i sent it to WT right away

as if receiving a kingler from the previous gen wasn't enough

>>20765910
But hey, we can be hipsters of /vp/ who likes lucario

Thread ruined, americans woke up

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Some people need not any other reason to hate something other than that other people like it.

they are often people devoid fom love and ruled by jealousy. pity them op, and show them you care.

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>>20765958
>devoid fom love

somebody hates my favorite, s/he probably doesn't like anything ELSE

>>20765967
don't like !=hates
if someone hates something just because it's popular, that it WILL like things- it will like only things which are unpopular.

you know, like hipsters. but it will pretend to hate them because it also hates hipsters. pathetic isn't it?

>>20765983
i don't hate it because it's popular, i hate it because >>20765279

>>20765958
Well I do have a grudge against the Eeveelutions because they're allowed to get away with things that the Pokemon I find cute can't.

>>20766003
a.thats not lucario fault, hate GF.
b.it's typing is part of what made it popular
c.it's popularity is what made gf abuse it

conclusion: hate the fanbase.

>>20764858
>ITT: mild samefagging and people who don't remember that ever since X/Y /vp/ is almost nothing but children and rebbitors.

>>20764858
>implying it's not circle jerking + samefagging

>>20766058
>>20766081

who's samefagging now

ITT: autists who think people aren't allowed to like lucario here since they are freethinkers

>>20766058
Me
>>20766081
Not me.
>>20766085
No idea, but it sure ain't me.

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ITT: People defending a telepathic, talking DBZ metal anthro who gets edgier when it megaevolves, is proud of its power, had no real weaknesses in game, learns moves it has no right to know apart from 'speshul' and is one of the most prominent pokemon used in the furry/yiff community, who endlessly pump out diaper, vore and scat renditions without shame.

Lucario is essentially the pokemon version of Shadow the Hedgehog, and the fact that the only defense you see in return is >h-hispters... should speak magnitudes.

>>20766119
For a minute there I was sure you ware speaking about mewtwo.

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>Ctrl f "pants"
>no results found

Really so no one mentioned those stupid mc hammer pants he wears.

>>20766143

Mewtwo is an endgame legendary, you can forgive Arceus/Mewtwo/Lugia etc. for being mary sues when their whole point is to be OP one-offs. I'm not a mewtwo fan, but it isn't as bad.

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>>20766158
It's because we can't touch them.

>>20766119
Don't forget even their lore is written like a child wrote it.
>Super special Aura powers
>Can read minds through aura use
>Especially powerful pokemon that bonds with only one trainer or is otherwise a loner too strong to fight lowly other pokemon.

>>20766161
> you can forgive Arceus/Mewtwo/Lugia etc. because they are special

lucario should learn its place because it isn't really special, it's just one of hundreds? I don't like this kind of thought. every pokemon is special in it's own way.

>>20766175
>Don't forget even their lore is written like a child wrote it.
can be said about many dex entries actually.

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>>20766172

>>20766143
He's talking about every pokémon ever with an actual fanbase.

>>20766175

Typical mary sue fare. Note how similar it is to Shadow though:

>Super special Chaos powers
>Can stop time through chaos use
>Especially powerful hedgehog that bonds with only one person (Maria) or is otherwise a loner too strong to fight lowly humans/his friends.

>pssshh.....

>>20766183

>it is own way
>why aren't regular pokemon as special as legendaries?

Karenfag pls

and this was so peaceful thread until losers woke up

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>>20766232

>I don't like these people's opinion on this one character from a gaming franchise, therefore they're wrong and they're losers

>implying any lucario threads outside of deviantart and furaffinity can ever be peaceful

>>20766259
more like
>implying any thread on /vp/ is devoid of haters

>>20765910
Comrade!

I don't get why people bash Lucario, since it's my favourite poke and I don't see anything wrong with it.

>>20766326
It gets buffs instead of Pokemon that actually need them

>>20763783
It's Pokemons "Mary Sue"
Also it's design is a combo of furry and faggotry.
Furgotry

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>>20766326

>I don't get why people bash Lucario
>Because it's my favourite poke I don't see anything wrong with it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28logic%29

>>20766326
Fucking stop, you make us luke fans who actually have brains look bad

>>20766335
*Furfaggotry

>>20766334
Because it actually needs them?

Without it, it will just stay at the sidelines of UU

>>20763783
Nothing is wrong with the pokemon in a vacuum. People who shit on it just because it's popular/shoved down our throats are autistic faggots whose opinions are at the mercy of others' opinions.

But even though I like Lucario in of itself, I still voted Toxicroak because I like it more, and I would have voted for Tox anyway just because Luke doesn't need to be in the spotlight

>>20766351
That's not a non sequitur you faggot. He wasn't saying the reason nobody else should bash it is because he likes it. He was saying that because he doesn't find anything wrong with it (synonymous with liking it), he doesn't know why others do.

Also anybody who brings up names of "logical fallacies" is probably experiencing babby's first discourse

The only thing that really bothers me about Auradog is that he's part steel.
I don't really see it, I guess. M-Luke looks pretty nice.

I'm more annoyed with Cynthia being jammed into things, honestly.

>>20766175
>>20766119
#rekt

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>>20765778
such shit taste.

Outside of the furry fanbase and being Game Freak's Lightning, another reason I hate Lucario is that it's a shit design. Unnecessary spikes and lines. Dumb fur-shorts. It looks like it was designed by an 8-year old.

>>20766405
I see Cynthia being next /vp/ most hated thing

>>20766425
With all due respect, please redesign it without reducing it's quality

>>20766443
it's ok, she will manage
She got boobs afterall

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>>20766375
>it needs them
Boy it sure needed that blaze kick, dragon pulse, nasty plot, dark pulse, extreme speed, vacuum wave, shadow ball, stone age and adabtability mega, didn't it? I mean there aren't any pokemon that need any of those
Also you're right, if it's UU it's utterly worthless

>>20764251
Why the fuck did they randomly get rid of her in the anime?

>>20766454
>if you can't make it better you don't get to criticize it

>>20766518
>what is overusing joke

>>20766521
pretty much this. everyone a critic, but when it comes to suggestion they admit they had no idea of a better way to do it.

(your sarcasm wasn't in place so i discarded it.)

>>20766540
want

I actually like Toxicroak more

>>20766521
Do you want to solidify your argument or not, dumbass?

HP 70
ATK 120
DEF 70
SPA 90
SPD 70
SPE 105

See? I just broke the thing without even megavolving it.

>>20766540
>Typical Lucariofag dream home, unaffordable from parents basement.

>>20766509
I admit giving it Blaze kick is fucking stupid (come on, it's a steel type) and I don't get Dragon Pulse either (Anubis being able to blast things from its mouth, maybe?)

Just like how Salamence can learn Hydro Pump.

I meant its stats. 90 speed just doesn't cut it with those pitiful defences. That's why they give it mega evolution (parental bond Terrakion + Keldeo's SPA + Starmie's Speed)

Do we actually know who won the poll? What's the link for it again?

>>20766633
No one won, no one is gonna win, it's gonna be taken down again and whole /vp/s tears are delicious after that

>>20766554
>if i make it fast with high attacks it'll be broken without mega evolving
Wow how did you figure that out :^)

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>>20766540
>filename
>fedora

>>20766666

>>20763783
4chan hates anything popular. It really is that simple.

>>20766684
water you doing

>>20766693
checking for - err, what comes after quints?

>>20766691
This.

This thread has inspired me to raise a Lucario for the first time.

Question, how does Lucario do against gooks on Battle Spot?

>>20766693
Being a fucking faggot who should go back to /s4s/ where he belongs.

>>20766800
If you don't let it stay to die, it wrecks with mega

>>20766818
He wasn't asking about you anon.

>>20763783
Because /vp/ is upset that Gamefreak will focus on Pokemon that's proven to give them profit like Charizard or Lucario, instead of their "bros" like Druddigon or Ledian so they take their anger out on said popular Pokemon. Also, 4chan in general has a strong contrarian attitude. The awful fanbase probably doesn't help either, like half of >>20766119 critiques are just "it has a terrible fanbase."

I'm neutral towards Lucario. I don't care for the design but it's not offensively bad enough for me to dislike. Sure it has an awful fanbase and a Mary Sue-ish lore but fanbases are a dumb reason to hate a Pokemon and the franchise has always been very Mary Sue-ish so what does it matter? It's just...there to me. Mega-Lucario is pretty fucking ugly though.

>>20765355
>>20765422
Zoroark was hard to get in-game, competitively shit, and didn't have a Smash game to promote it. Those are all big things so I don't think you can really say "see? lucario was special!" since Lucario ultimately got more initial push. Charizard stayed in the hearts of nostalgiafags since it was Red's mascot and one of Ash's strongest Pokemon.

>>20766800
What's gooks?

>>20766834
Charizard is not Red's mascot.

>>20766752
Shitstorm, in certain boards.

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>>20766857
It's on the cover, yo. It was used to market the game.

>>20765636
No matter how bad Lucario is, the /mlp/ trio is not cooler than any other Pokémon.

I don't like its design. I think the spikes are stupid.

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Goddammit why does the end of this movie make me so sad?
http://youtu.be/Y80dhqWopWY?t=1h31m25s

>>20766994
>watching the dub

>>20766937
>associating the Musketeers with that pizza shit show
>>>/out/

>want to talk shit about its design because I dislike it too
>look at it again
>actually pretty tasteful for Gen IV
>start to like it
Fuck.
I'm still going to be opposed to it because of Game Freak forcing it everywhere—in every game, in every trailer, in every stream, in every media.

It's basically a second mascot of Pokemon now. People don't like it because it's Pikachu Part 2: Fighting/Steel Boogaloo. Personally, I was okay with it design wise since Gen IV, but I don't like M-Luke. People call it edgy but it'll never be as edgy as Mewtwo (Pokedex entrees always saying it's the most savage hearted among pokemon, acts like a human hating shitter whenever it appears in the anime, MUH AMBER, it's basically Pokemon's Shadow the Hedgehog). And it didn't get 2 fucking megas like Charizard or Mewtwo either. So it ain't as bad as the pandering of those two but it's still bad.

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I like Lucario

And Japs also love him

i see no problem

>>20767082
>defending horse fuckers
>>>/mlp/

>>20766908
Oh, red the game, your capitalization had me befuddled.

Lucario is cool. I wish I had an HA Riolu so I could breed one.

I hate fur shit.

>>20767369
"hurr it's furry which isn't related to me at all, I still have to hate it"

>>20767369
You hate all pokemon then?

:^)

>>20767369

>I hate the boogeyman /vp/ made up

You do realize the only way you're going to find furry porn of lucario is by looming for it. This is literally something that will never affect you in the real world, yet faggots like you have to accept the /vp/ hivemind and have no original thought.

>>20767369
you're in the wrong franchise them lmao

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As of X and Y, Gyarados is used by three of the nine Pokémon League Champions, being used by Blue, Lance, and Wallace, making it the most popular Pokémon among Pokémon League Champions thus far (although Blue does not always have a Gyarados, depending on the player's starter Pokémon). However, Blue is the only one to use it in the Pokémon World Tournament.

Gyarados is also a popular Pokémon among Gym Leaders, being used by Blue, Clair, and Crasher Wake.
Gyarados has also been used twice by two Villainous Team Leaders. The first instance was Cyrus and the second instance was Lysandre.

>>20767443
And seibold, off the top of my head

>>20763783
The metal spikes and the weird shorts/extremely wide hips, the dumb ponytail things...

I just don't like Lucario's design. And reasons to hate it in-game? Its a Friendship evolution with a shitty typing. Its basically a pure-steel type that doesnt resist Psychic or Flying and has shit bulk and isnt exceptionally fast to make up for it.

I dont hate thigns for being everywhere, I hate them for being shit.

Mega Lucario on the other hand, has one of the best mega designs (behind Amphy and Blaziken, just a bit above Chainsaw Hands aka Mega Bullet Punch aka Scizor-M) and a blistering 112 speed stat, so I actually like it. Plus being a fighting type that isn't scared of Sylveon is a major plus so I have less reason to dislike it.

Truth be told though, I just love Toxicroak now that weather wars are gone just like I'd love Gliscor if it wasnt for Toxic Heal bullshit. Not because hurrr smogon scorp, but because fighting them genuinely pisses me off. And croagunk a qt, Riolu is just as poorly designed as Lucario. Unsurprisingly, I love poison-types and even think Grimer, Muk, Koffing, and Garbodor are adorable.

>>20767487
>Steel/anything
>shitty typing

ayyy

>>20767505
Steel/Rock
Steel/Ice

>>20767487
>preferring edgelord Lucario over regular Lucario

>>20766800
Lucario's true strength comes from being able to boost, as its comparitively weak for a mega (145 isn't even base mewtwo's Sp. Attack, let alone Ampharos' 165 or M-Heracross' sickening 185 Attack).

Coupled with the right moveset and near-perfect STAB Coverage partially thanks to Adaptability (Flash Cannon hits ghosts as hard as Dark Pulse/Crunch does, Bullet Punch/Vacuum wave hits as hard as ExtremeSpeed but provide coverage, at the expense of not outprioritizing other priorities)

Switch Lucario in on things that are too weak and slow, or lack the ability to damage Lucario to force a catch-22; If they stay in, you get to boost for free and they die, losing a valuable 'mon. If they switch, you get a free boost and the counter is disadvantaged, possibly killing you or at the worst, forcing you out. But you can always come back in against the same thing you came in on, boost, and murder it and the whole team.

NEVER Lead with Lucario. It has no defenses to speak of and doesn't resist the bravest bird's main attack, and is annihilated by its other STAB

>>20767505
Steel/Fighting isn't a very good typing. It has none of Fighting's weaknesses, but that just means it has fewer resists than a base steel does.
You're losing a Psychic, Fairy and Flying resist (the latter of which are far more important) and gaining ... what? You dont resist Fighting, so its still SE. You dont gain coverage against Ice or Rock (but you do against Fairy), you dont even quad-resist Dark anymore. The fighting type does nothing defensively for Lucario and hurts it tremendously, taking neutral damage from twice as many types and only getting a double resistance to U-Turn and Stealth Rock to make up for it. And with such pathetic defenses, you need every resistance you can get to stay alive.
Fortunately, "staying alive" is nothing Lucario is afraid due to its phenomenal speed as a Mega and the fact that next to nothing can survive a hit after it boosts

>>20767531
Its a far better design. Both Blaziken and Lucario had shit designs before, and were graced with the best looking megas ever.

Also how is Mega Lucario edgy? The rabid Mega in the animu doesn't count

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>>20767618
>blah blah blah blah blah

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>>20767618

>the best defensive typing crossed with the best offensive typing is bad

>>20763828
you haven't been here long enough

>>20767645
Godamn that is one stylin Pokemon

>>20767671
>confirmed for not reading

Fighting does nothing defensively for Steel and weakens it exceptionally. So much so that lots of other types benefit Fighting defensively much more. Like Flying, which is weak to one of Fighting's resists and resists the other, or Psychic or bug which lose a weakness (to bug and Rock respectively; Psychic/Fighting pre-gen 6 also lost a dark weakness) and thus complement each other better.

Fighting/Steel is just a shitty steel type defensively, and Steel doesn't help offensively pre-gen 6. Gen6 rebalanced the chart to make the combination much, much better.

>>20767645
One of the best pokemon ever, and gen 6 made it a thousand times even better. Its sprite made no sense in gen 5.... How was it levitating? Why was it standing on those flipper things?

>>20767762
Eelektross is an aquatic poke

>>20767762
>how does the Pokemon with levitate levitate
Before you ask that, ask that nigger Magnemite how he's flying while simultaneously being on the ground

>>20767814
I was saying the Gen 5 Sprite does not show it levitating and is very clearly grounded. Plus it looks bad. Why is an eel standing up like that? Its the same reason why Purrloin has such a shitty design in gen 6

>>20767846
It kind of looks like it needs to stand like that to hop up and down. Like, it's literally jumping over ground attacks.

>>20767887
... But it levitates. Why would it jump? Its an aquatic animal, it should be swimming in mid-air because thats what it does.

>>20767638
Regular Lucario looks better than Mega Lucario. The double headband thing Mega Lucario has is just completely retarded. Also, I'm guessing the "edge" he's talking about is how the only huge aesthetic change besides the goofy headband and the even shittier colorscheme is that it gets spikier. Also those spikes through the hands, lawl.

What gets me about your post is that you just claimed that Lucario and Blaziken got the best looking megas and that is just downright hilarious to me. They barely change at all and get ribbons, whoopie.

I think the best looking megas are the ones that really improve on the base design, things like Houndoom, Banette, maybe Gengar and Pinsir.

The worst ones are the ones that barely change at all aside from like a new accessory or spikes (Blaziken, Medicham, Lucario, Tyranitar, etc) or the ones that get a whole lot dumber like Heracross (Hand wings? Nutcracker mouth? Second horn is a Pinocchio nose? What the fuck?), Manetric (Pokemon's Lightning), Charizard X (flame mustache?), Ludvig Von Ampharos (I love this fucker's design but not everybody is going to find it as funny as me), gosh there's just too many to list, most of the megas are dumb.

Some of them are an improvement on their base form but still aren't much to look at, like Charizard Y (nice crest, the extra wings are a big dumb though barely noticeable), Kangaskhan (mega babby), Aggron (so you got bigger, whoopie), Absol (original form was shit, adding wings and a stronger yin/yang horn motif is not much better), you get the drill.

I think I've loaded this post down with too many rambling opinions anyway. Misused a lot of parenthesis. If you disagree with some of the ratings I've given Megas, well, it's your prerogative. But Mega Lucario is pretty far from the best design if you ask me.

>>20767618
I don't think anyone is using Lucario under the delusion of surviving more than 2 hits. Lucario is an offensive pokemon. What you gain from adding Fighting is STAB on Fighting, which was better before this gen due to no Fairy. But that's the kicker, Lucario gets steel STAB too and can therefor take down most of the fairies. So he's still a pretty good glass cannon and has a pretty great movepool and enough of each attack stat to be very versatile in utilizing it.

>>20767902
Well it just seems they just didn't want Eelektross to do that and now they do. I would take either model in 3D myself, he looks super dopey as Onahole: The Pokemon.

The funniest thing is that Lucario haters would probably defend Pikachu and Mewtwo

>>20767814
Magnemite doesn't Levitate as a means of locomotion or survival. It levitates as a passive result of its magnetism, which isn't focused well enough to be maintained if the ground is shaken up. Because its body is composed of U-Magnets, it's drawn to any iron in rocks or in building walls/floors, which are every bit as effected by an earthquake as anything else standing on the ground. In fact, its significantly MORE effected because its part of the ground itself; i.e., the whole reason Steel is weak to Ground in the first place - Steel buildings are built into the ground and are rigid.

>>20767906
Aggron actually shrinks in its mega, since its not standing upright.

As for the spikes in its hands... Are you saying they weren't already there? The spikes are meshed better into its design rather than just stuck on like it got crucified and impaled. It looks like a trained fighter. And Blaziken had a lot of design changes besides the ribbons. The head crest becomes more pronounced, the color changes from "Hurrr its fire-type" to an actual artistic mesh of blacks and dark reds (before you call this edgy, learn some color theory. Or look at a generation 5 cartridge in the light and realize theyre both black and red)

>>20767953
They didn't have room to make Eelektross' sprite float properly and still show off the detail. I challenge you or any sprite artist to get Eelektross' entire body in clear, accurate detail while floating properly. And not facing the wrong way. Barboach and Tynamo managed it, but they're extremely tiny. They have a lot of ... for lack of a better term, wiggle room. Eelektross barely fits in the window it's given

>>20767968
yeah, no

>>20767987
You give some interestingly reasonable responses. Allow me to challenge you then. What about any other floating Pokemon such as Flabebe or whatever?

>>20768016
Again, Flabébé does not float naturally. It's just flying on a flower, which means if theres no wind... its still touching the ground. I would argue its only floating because its more fairy-like or because gameFreak didnt like how the model looked grounded. Honestly, Even I think it would look pretty stupid and floette is literally my second favorite pokemon in the game.

Basically, pokemon like Koffing are levitating because they're gas, which is part of the air. Its what they do as a direct natural process, part of their existence. Eelektross levitates as a means of hunting prey, because its naturally an aquatic animal. It has legs, but they're poorly suited for land-travel, so it floats using precise electric currents instead.

Things that appear to be levitating and do not have Levitate are either not conciously doing so, or are doing something else instead. Again, magnemite is a key example as its body is more built for attracting metal (and getting attracted to it) than it is for levitation, despite possessing the ability to repulse itself to stay afloat

>>20767762
Your problem, sir, is that you keep thinking of Lucario as a defensive steel type that got ruined by adding fighting when that is the inverse of what is happening. Lucario is an offensive fighting type that got marginally improved by adding steel to it.


What does Fighting do to Steel? Well make it worse by your accounts. What does Steel do for Fighting? I'll tell you what, it neutralizes every one of Fighting's old weaknesses (Flying, and Psychic) and also neutralizes its new weakness (Fairy). Then it adds all the other steel resistances (Ice, Dragon, Grass, Steel, and Normal) as well as compounding the shared resistances (Bug, Rock) to the point where you can possibly switch in on them even as a pokemon with mediocre defensive and HP stats. All this just for having its only weaknesses be the default Steel weaknesses of Fighting, Ground, and Fire.

So yeah, you're making a hissy fit over Fighting ruining Steel when in reality Lucario's situation is Steel saving Fighting. Suddenly you have a powerhouse with STAB Fighting who is able to threaten every pokemon designed to obliterate Fighting sweepers, due to any moves included to get coverage versus Fighting are now neutral instead of x2. So all you have to worry about is Steel weaknesses and excessive setup. This is huge for an offensive pokemon like Lucario who can now eliminate threats that fighting does well against which also learn coverage moves that are normally super effective against Fighting.

Mega Lucario gives it needed stat buffs and an amazing Ability, as well as being in Gen VI where Steel is also useful offensively as a killer of a good chunk of the possible fairy types.

tl;dr you've got your perspective backwards viewing Fighting as ruining a defensive Steel when in reality Steel is saving an offensive Fighting.

>>20768120
What about Venomoth and Dustox?

>>20766119

Does anyone have the proud of its power screen shot

>>20767987
>As for the spikes in its hands... Are you saying they weren't already there?
Nah I'm saying it got EXTRA spikes in its hands, as well as its feet. Also, the coloration is designed to make them evoke thoughts of bloody fists/feet, which is just gaudy really. I also like how you went from "crucified" in regular form to "trained fighter" in Mega Form despite no trained fighter in their right mind ever desiring spikes jutting out the top of his hands. I can definitely see where the "edgy" label comes from.

Another thing about the Lucario one is how besides getting an extra pair of headband looking dongles, their coloration doesn't match the other ones and it clashes.

As for Blaziken, the original crest being swept back looked fine, now it's split in two as retarded head fins. My head is a bird! Also, the smaller crests sweeping outward have now become a single crest on its nose/beak jutting up, it kinda draws attention to the wrong places and looks pretty dumb comparitively. Also, I like how you claim that the color changed from "Hurrr it's fire-type" when the ribbons it gains are ON FUCKING FIRE. They didn't get rid of the orange, they made it MORE PRONOUNCED and waving around every which way as if advertizing, SCREAMING, "HURR THIS IS A FIRE TYPE!" So I basically disagree with everything you just said. Except that people misappropriate the term "edgy" a lot.

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I just wanted to be your friend, not your hate

>>20767389
failed attempt.

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>>20767414

>>20774421
Doesn't Google use your search history to determine the most relevant results related to your interests? Or am I mistaken?

>>20763783
It's not that anyone HATES Lucario so much as with this poll maybe GF will realize Lucario is artificially popular and stop putting it in everyone's face.

I like Lucario as a mon. I raised a Riolu in B2W2 and it was a lot of fun to use. Good typing, good movepool, good stats all around. The design isn't anywhere near as bad as people make out.

My issue is with Nintendo and the furries. Nintendo for sticking it in everywhere they can. Pikachu I get, Charizard I get. Greninja, it isn't that bad yet. But Lucario is fucking everywhere, and I don't get it. I hope the poll shows them that people want other mons to get the spotlight. And the furries for ruining a good thing like only they can.

Thinking back, Lucario was even one of those mons released before the games came out, like Togepi or Munchlax. I remember in the original Rescue Team you could get it, Bonsly, Mime Jr, and Weavile as trophies or some shit. Bonsly & Mime Jr. would have made cute as fuck mascots.

>>20775085
>And the furries for ruining a good thing like only they can.
>implying they're capable of doing anything but ruin things
>implying anyone has any choice but to ignore them or become one

>>20774788
It does.

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>>20774421
>>20774788
>>20775242
For comparison, here is my screenshot of that page, using the same search engine (including same locale)

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>>20775275
>using linux just to browse 4chan/other remedial tasks
You must be proud to no longer be a sheep, right?

>>20775275
>Using linux
Which of your many fedoras are you wearing today?

>>20766540
>Impyling that ceiling lamp isn't fucking awesome

>>20775903
Lol his user name is probably xXxFedoraKingxXx

>>20775903
>>20775954
reverse-reverse hipsters are still hipsters. linux is fiine OS.

(I'm using XP myself but I had used it in my computer science BSc)

Lucario is okay. I just like Toxicroak better.

>>20775903
>>20775954
Actually, I had to use Linux because my Windows shat itself on me and wouldn't work at all, and my friend (who's actually in IT as a professional) couldn't help me aside from "use the USB stick, Luke!"

Its lore is a watered-down Mewtwo.
Hey, that reminds me: Brawl.

le new mascot
Why all the spikes
I even like Zoroark better
Fans = KornheiserPanic.jpg
Luxray best Gen 4 non-legend

If it weren't the unofficial mascot of Pokemon and were treated as a normal Pokemon I'd like it a little more.

>>20776005
Your fedora is showing...

I used to be on the hipster train about Lucario until I gave them an honest go with this generation.

Now I just think it's.. eh.. a pretty cool guy who doesn't afraid of anything.

I enjoyed him more than my Medicham leveling up, but I'll probably replace him now that my egged Mega-Medi is coming together.

>>20776110
But I have Mint, not Fedora.

>captcha: completely bonedyi

>>20776110
yours too.
>I'm anti- anti- mainstream. Aren't I cool?

No you aren't.

Speaking of which,
I liked WoT even BEFORE GoT became popular,
and no, I didn't switch W and G there.

>>20776180
>WoT
literally what

>>20776255
Wheel of Time, by robert jordan. which reminds me, I liked it even before robert jordan died.

>GoT get popular
>Hipster A: I like GoT even before it became popular
>Hipster B: GoT is baby first fantasy soap opera. *insert title here* is way better.
>Hipster C: I liked *insert title here* even before you hipsters flowed to it when GoT became popular.

>>20776180
What the fuck are you even talking abiut dude

>>20763908
>Blaziken and delphox
Mah Nigga

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>>20776431

>>20776365
what the hell is that, I started reading/watching GoT after I heard it was good

what's wrong with that

I read shit only /lit/ has fucking heard about but you don't hear me bragging about it

>>20763783
I don't hate Lucario, I just like Toxicroak so much better.

>>20764878
Right here m8

>>20776491
a. nothing is wrong from taking to something after recomendition. only hipsters think this is bad.
b. GoT sucks, it's literly baby first fantasy soap opera and WoT is better. the black cauldron is better. the death gate cycle is better. dragon lance is better. heck, even drizzt is better.

>>20763783
Toxicroak is cooler and it's high time something else got a little recognition.

>>20765252
This perfectly describes why I don't like Lucario.
Well, this and the fucking retarded mega.

>>20766326
>it's my favourite poke and I don't see anything wrong with it.
Yeah, perhaps the reason you don't see anything wrong with it is because it's your favorite pokemon.

I quit playing during generation 2, didn't touch pokemon until gen 6, when I saw the covers of R/S I thought they looked more like plastic children's toys rather than pokemon, then Brawl came out and I saw Lucario and it looked like the most stupid furfag original character do not steal shit I had ever seen in a game and thought to myself "is this what Pokemon has become now? another fucking Soniclike franchise?"
tl;dr Lucario has a very cringe inducing design, looking both edgy and stupid looking.
Kyogre and Groudon are awesome, but I won't be using Lucario any time soon.

>>20766843
how fucking sheltered are you

>>20767443
This sounds like something copypasted from fucking Bulbapedo

>>20764251
A permanent spot in Smash is already more recognition than it deserves.
Just some random mon.

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>>20766454
Not him, but I remember saving this from a thread a while back.

>>20781442
Anubis isn't what Lucario is based off of. That's just /vp/ regurgitating the same information unto itself until everybody believes it to be fact (like how everyone thinks Hydreigon is based off of King Ghidorah.)

Outside of the ears, and I guess, maybe, some super loose Aura connection, it's really got nothing to do with Anubis. It's also not a Jackle.. if anything, it's a Wolf or Dog.

In reality, it's an attempt at an original creation with light inspiration drawn from Hachiko. Overall, it's a rough design outline of Lone Wolf/Hachiko/Oracle inspirations.

>>20781442
If the blue was gold or sandy, that could make a great pokemon on its own, maybe a special-based Fighting type (maybe part Ghost too, since Anubis = afterlife). And it would be cool to have an actual Anubis pokemon.

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>>20781442
>despite zoroark flopping, lucario is so popular that GF decides to make lucario-clones every gen onwards

>>20781842
>Lucario is Pikachu but actually good in the meta

>>20766613
No, they gave it a mega because it's popular.

>>20781522
It also learns Bone Rush, which is partially explained by the Anubis origins. Furthermore, it is bipedal, like the people who wore jackle masks back in ancient Egypt.

>>20781842
Electric/Fighting Mon with 550 BST called Luchu in gen 7 to enjoy the best of both worlds confirmed