As soon as the Swampertite gets released this November, this

>>20612087
>Water Absorb

>>20612087

Mega Seismitoad with Sand Rush

I'm a little worried Mega Lopunny will be better than Mienshao.

You mean as a Thundurus check for rain teams in singles, but even then it's really not worth using over Kingdra or Omastar because they can just use Latias?

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Fucking eviolite I swear.
The idea that a NFE is better than it's final stage is ridiculous

>>20612182
Both are awful anyway

>>20612087
good. seismitoad is gross looking anyway

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Not likely considering hypnotoxic laser is still in rotation

>>20612163

but Mienshao's niche is Regenerator and Reckless, 2 abilities that work wonders with High Jump Kick.

>>20612200
This. Could have been a decent design without the tits on its head.

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>>20612182
I'm with ya, bro.

>>20612261
exactly. this guy gets it

>>20612182
>>20612291
> Eviolite
> In Knockoff meta

>>20612304
>implying Knock Off stopped Chansey from being in the top 10 for usage in OU

>>20612238
Having a hjk that can hit ghosts instead of crashing is a pretty good niche too.

>>20612087
Good. That thing is absolutely disgusting.

>>20612228
this

>>20612304
Dusclops is shit anyway
Chansey is screwed by Knock Off but it's not like Blissey can beat any Knock Off users. Like I think the ONLY niche Blissey has over Chansey is being able to beat Knock Off Landorus.

>>20612311
It's better to have blissey with leftovers than chansey with evolite.

>>20612315

yes, but you need a mega stone for it.

Mienshao won't be Outclassed. That was my point.

>>20612325
>implying
No it's not, otherwise Blissey would be used more and still be in OU
Chansey with Eviolite is the best special wall in the entire game

>>20612115
> What is Vaporeon
> What is Jellicent
Just face it. Speakers toad has no real niche.

>>20612163
>Mienshao gets regenerator and reckless
>Can use an item
Lopunny will have higher speed, but likely lower attack. Mienshao will still have its role.

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I dig Ferrothorn too, but Forretress has been my steadfast bro ever since Colosseum. He's so unusable with Charizard and Talonflame everywhere, and that Explosion nerf didn't help either. And the lack of Cutsap berry. Yeah.

>>20612483
Pair it with Heatran or any bulky water type and you'll be fine.

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>>20612483
>tfw I'm not the only one who likes Forretress

>>20612483
My nigga. Forretress was a complete bro in gen 3 and 4, but Gamefreak has not been kind to it.
>tfw running Zap Cannon to screw over people who think they can switch in Gyarados to Taunt and set up on you
Sure it wasn't very reliable, but it was so satisfying when it hit.

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>>20612087
outclassed thread? I- I'm not alone?

>>20612483
>not using Forretress lead with Red Card
you'll never laugh harder

>>20612182
>>20612291
Being a Dusknoir and Blissey fan is suffering.

>>20612087
Sorry, it's always been the worst Water/Ground.

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>>20612163
Mega Lopunny can't use Swords Dance or U-Turn.
Mienshao is safe.
>>20612873
Boy, it must suck to be outclassed twice over. Porygon-Z unrelated

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At least every other Pokemon in the thread has a purpose. This guy is outclassed as an SR layer, outclassed as a double dancer, outclassed as a tank and a wall, has a unique typing that arguably does more harm than good, and two rather useless abilities.

>>20613262
And I still love it.

>>20613262
Ground beats Fire and Poison, while Grass resists Grass and Water. It should've been he perfect pair. Where did it all go wrong?
Could Horn Leech and Shell Smash save Torterra?

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Worse Gyarados.

>>20612896
doing this and will always keep doing this

>>20613302
Taught mine a Rock move to handle any Bugs, Flying-types or Ice Pokemon.

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>>20613302
>Shell Smash
>Horn Leech
>Earhquake
>Stone Edge to kill birds
>95/105/85 defs

10/10 would use everyday

>>20612115
>Freeze-Dry

So many based Forrebros in this thread.

What if it got Powder in ORAS?

>Sandslash has been my favorite mon since Gen 1
>outclassed by other Ground types in every way

>>20612483
>unusable because [one pokemon] exists
This isn't how it works

>>20613385
Torterra does have some nice bulky ass stats. It would make a great AV carrier if it had Rock Head or Regenerator.

>>20613312
On the other hand Feraligatr could be saved if they just released it's HA Sheer Force. It's a goddamn menace.

>>20613302
It all went wrong when they made it slow and just okayish offensively and okayish defensively. If they focused defenses into just one stat and made it faster it'd be a lot more useful. Or fast and strong.

Basically any Grass/Ground type wants to be fast.

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I still love him

>>20613694
More like "unusable because [an entire type] exists"

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>>20614847

>>20612087

He was always outclassed. Sorry to break it to you.

>>20612873

He's an amazing choice scarf user and scout. I use him very successfully but he could be better.

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My bro...

>>20614873
Maybe try what >>20612896
said? Or try Weakness Policy?

>>20612115
Then it is just outclassed by Gastrodon.

>>20612087
;_;

>>20615217
How is octillery outclassed?
How do you even run octillery?

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>>20616191
forgot the picture, dammit

>>20616451
Machamp isn't outclassed yet.
Conk is tank while Champ is more of a glass cannon/revenge killer also no-gaurd Dynamic punch

Seismitoad is one of the most common Pokes in NU.

>>20616263
>How do you even run octillery?
Water Spout Critopus is the only thing that makes sense, ideally with Trick Room support.

>>20618524
but Machamp is waaaay behind usage now

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>tfw fairy types
>tfw base 98 speed
>tfw no good boosting moves

>>20618524
>mach punch
>drain punch
>iron fist

Machamp is useless now

>>20620681
>tfw no nasty plot

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Fuck your overgrown dog and fuck your gorilla.

>>20613134
>>20613262
My niggas.

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>heavy-hitting Trick Room Psychic
>outclassed by every other Psychic released in Gen 5

Electivire has been pretty shit gen 5 onwards.

to the point where it's just a letdown and is no longer my bro

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>>20620693
that really hurts, anon

>>20621265
then it was never your bro

>>20615292
But fairies. Its the same reason Jotaro Kujo isn't as useful as anyone would like. Fairy being SE to dark and resisting it is completely unnecessary.

>>20614398
I feel like Johto, Unova, and Sinnoh starters are gonna be in ORAS safari.

>>20612087
It was never used even before Mega Swampert. Nothing will change in that regard.

>>20621265
Sorry to break that to you, but it was fucking useless in gen 4 too.

Idiots just loved pairing it with Gyarados for le epic ruse xd combo in gen IV, which never worked outside of elo hell.

>>20613646
the ultimate justice.

>>20621225
ayy lmao
sorry about that. I like beheeyem and just wanted to be cool