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Dueling Network General #1486
Last Thread: >>85421978
New and need a deck or want to learn how to play? Check the pastebin.
http://pastebin.com/5MEYYxSQ

http://www.duelingnetwork.com/
http://www.ygopro.co/Download.aspx

The above games are free, so no need to worry about paying for cards you need. The above links are simulators, not games, so you need to do everything yourself.

BEFORE YOU ASK FOR ADVICE FOR YOUR DECK DO THE FOLLOWING:
● Try and keep your deck as close to 40 cards as possible. This increases your chances of drawing the cards you need.
● Google your Deck before you post it here. If your deck is/was competitive it will probably have topped an event.
● Most Yu-Gi-Oh Games have an option between Singles (Self explanatory, a single Game) and Matches (Best of 3). It is recommended that you play Matches, as Singles does not teach you how to use your Side Deck.
● After you've playtested your Deck and feel confident about your card choices, post your Deck here. Try suggestions before you trash them, even if someone recommends a weird tech choice. You don't know everything.
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Considering the spike Shared Ride has seen it may not be the worst idea to invest in Mistake. Can still be gotten easily for $3 or less, reprinted in the same Tin Mega-Pack as Shared Ride and is arguably better for actually preventing Necloths from doing anything other than Ritual Summoning with whatever is in their hand.
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>Dueling Network
LOL
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How do I get good in yugioh?
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>>85510702
Accel, Will you dominate me?
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>>85510702
Would it be worth it to invest in foil Mind Crush, since it's seeing play in Necloth too?
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>>85510702
Shut up.
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Here for NaCL.

SECE leak already. I need my Rampenta and Three-Legged Zombie retrain.
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>>85510763
Watch other people play, learn strategies and card interactions.
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>>85510702
Which card from NECH do you think it will be wise to buy soon when they are cheap? As in, Maxx C syndrome.

Also reminder that best girl won.
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>>85510843
wow that is the most obnoxious person i have ever seen.
I shouldn't be getting this upset over a screenshot
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>>85510957
Probably Denko Sekka. Its already dropped below the ridiculous $20+ price point that it was before.
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Qiuniu, Cosmic Dragon of Sound
Level 3 Divine Tuner Wyrm-Type Monster
You can only use each effect of “Qiuniu, Cosmic Dragon of Sound” once per turn.
(1) When this card you control is destroyed by battle or by card effect and sent to your Graveyard: You can Special Summon 1 “Cosmic Dragon” monster from your Deck in face-up Attack Position, except “Qiuniu, Cosmic Dragon of Sound”.
(2) When this card is Normal or Special Summoned: You can target 1 level 5 or lower “Cosmic Dragon” monster in your Graveyard; Special Summon that target.

Shen Cuu, Cosmic Dragon Purity
Level 10 Divine Wyrm-Type Synchro Monster
1 Tuner + 1 or more non-Tuner Wyrm-Type monsters.
(1) If this card is Synchro Summoned: cards and effects cannot be activated.
(2) Once per turn: You can destroy 1 "Cosmic Dragon" monster you control, and if you do add 1 "Cosmic" card from your Graveyard to your hand.
(3) Once per turn: You can send 1 Wyrm-Type monster from your Deck to your graveyard: During this turn, this card is unaffected by other card effects.

Cosmic Dragon Ascension
Continuous Spell Card
(1) Once per turn: You can add 1 "Cosmic Dragon" monster from your Deck to your hand, and if you do destroy this card. (2) If this card is sent to the Graveyard by your opponent's card effect: You can Special Summon 1 "Cosmic Dragon" monster from your Deck.

Reverse Disk pendulum effect: heals for 500 OPT, or heals for 2000 if tribute summoned him.
Reverse Shell exactly the same, but burns.
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>>85510957
Thank god this autistic garbage is finally over, narutoplebs must be so butthurt right now.
Don't tell me they're doing a spin off with his kids and shit though
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>>85510763
The same way as always, by reading Sun Tzu's "The Art of War".
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>>85511097
Am i being rused? Is this shit legit? where the fuck did you get this from?
I will allow myself to react when i get the answer
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>>85511097
>DIVINE outside the nostalgia gods

No.

>>85511062
I wish Denko Sekka had 1600 ATK.

Or Electric Virus was level 4. But in the future I might shove Sekka in something.

And this is a bigger blowout than Zutara. Even though it should've been a Sorato for maximum rage
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>>85511379
>>85511447
They're legit, but whether or not it will save them is debatable. I like the reverse Disk and Shells.
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>>85511447
Really, nobody won. Everyone suffered from reading this shit for years, the weeaboo population increased dramatically when they latched onto this shit, two shit imaginary girls got matched with two shit imaginary boys, autists seriously made pairings for this shit, the artist either got worse at drawing as time went on or the assistants with talent that he actually had all got fired, everything was awful.

But it's over now.
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>>85511097
Reverse Killer and Reverse Tool when?
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>>85511116
>Don't tell me they're doing a spin off with his kids and shit though

A new manga and spin off series is planned for 2015, and yeah about the kids. Kabuto seems to be the villain/antagonist.
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>>85511748
Alias is Reverse Tool.
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>>85511097
Same shit as before
>DIVINE attribute on regular ass monsters
>Yang Zing support in the form of monsters when we've already got 9 Yang Zings and the entire archetype is based on 9 Sons of the Dragon

That second part could easily be ignored by Konami but it would set my autism a flare if they did that. The fucking DIVINE attribute is a dead give away though, who the fuck thought that was a good idea?
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>>85511558
>They're legit
not to be a dick, but im not buying that until i get some sort of proof, you can't just expect me to believe you like that.
If real these are really good, Ching Chongs are my favorite petdeck and this will bump them up quite a bit. Divine is fucking crazy, and burn 2000 is 2crazy even for Jewnami, quite hard to believe.
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>>85511726
>Everyone suffered from reading this shit for years
except those of us who aren't fucktards that never did read it.
>>85511791
The Kobe shekelstein ride never ends
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>>85512021
You suffered from having to hear people talk about it after reading it.
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>>85511809
They could get an extra monster based on the Dragon King, but two more monsters just isn't possible.
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Are there any archetypes that splash well in a DD deck? I was thinking maybe Artifacts but I dunno.
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>>85512671
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Floaters are ruining the game and making easymode autopilot decks where no real thought or long-term strategy is required.

Debate me.
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>>85512671
Monarchs
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y so ded
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>>85513125
Anyone that uses the term "autopilot" needs to head back to Pojo for crying about good decks being good.

You can't debate me because I'm right.
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>>85513125
Yang Zings are shit, and all of their monsters float, in fact that is their entire gimmick.

Argument won.
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>>85513125
Floaters can't be ruining the game now because floaters have existed since fucking 2005. Read a book
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somewhat spooky confirmed
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>>85513235
>>85513461
>>85513225
Alright, let me rephrase, then.

Absurdly Good Multipurpose Floaters are defeating the point of any sort of counter-strategy or counterplay, which necessitates the need for stunshit to be in such absurd quantities in the game, which is in turn killing the game. There is minimal effort required to play the game in the current meta.
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>>85513125
>with no real thought

Well, maybe if you playing against a door. All decks you need to adjust your gameplay to whoever you are facing.
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>>85514037
>There is minimal effort required to play the game in the current meta.

Remove "in the current meta" and you'll sum up this game in its entirety.
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>>85513858
what
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>>85514153
SOMEWHAT
SPOOKY
CONFIRMED
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>>85514037
It's not the floating that's the problem, the problem is that everything good either is impossible to make go minus while at the same time generating massive plus for themselves.
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>>85514037
>There is minimal effort required to play the game

There never was effort required to play the game.
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>>85514273
That's it. There's no real cost for being as good as they are.

Hell, Monarchs are probably the most balanced shit there is. Most of their effects have some sort of trade-off, and their support cuts off Extra Deck use.
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>>85514220
but anon
what does that mean
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Fuck gay duelems

https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1172653
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SO how do you counter dvine beasts such as obelisk? Furthermore I dont understand, does the card block effects of effect monsters altogether or only the ones in response or that directly target him?
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>>85499490
>no results
source pls
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lol
meta
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>>85515302

I easily defeated an Obelisk with Dragonecro
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>>85515302
Non-targeting removal ;)
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>>85515302
Honest.
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>>85515382
Thank you for being patient.
http://exhentai.org/g/754515/046be123d6/
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>>85514450
>he thinksa cutting off the extra is a good thing
And that's the reason why they'll only see play in nostalga fags dreams.
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>>85516280
based
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Any way to make these guys faster and more annoying?
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>>85517769
-3 Neos Alius
-1 Hero Lives
-2 Miracle Fusions
+1 RotA
+2 Tinplate Goldfish
+3 Upstart Goblins
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>>85517769
netdeck a jap build
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>>85515302
Beat stick it
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>>85517935
>Goldfish and not Goblindbergh
>-1 Hero Lives

Dumb bitch
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>>85516809
That's the fucking point you nimrod. It's SUPPOSED to be a bad thing. You do bad things so you can make good things better things. Simple trade-off logic.

>Nostalgiafag
Nice buzzword there.
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>>85511264
I rather not read.
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>>85514037
Quit beating around the bush man, just say it, Hands make you a salty faggot.
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How am I supposed to play these infernoid niggers. I keep reading their summoning conditions and I'm like uwot.

I don't understand what's the point.
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>>85519081
You're not.
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>>85518820
Then you'll fit in here just fine
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>>85518820
Then you better leave.
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>>85519081
Use little guys to pop shit. Summon Mecha-Garunix from grave to blow up the monsters and attack with 3K. That's all there is to it.
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>>85519081
Reasoning
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>>85518928
Eh, it's less Hands and more Shaddolls. Even BAs don't get me salty.

I just don't like the fact that Shaddolls just get to do whatever they like when they like. They have complete disregard for the normal order of things and turn the game's mechanics over and fuck them in the ass.

If it was a choice between this and Fusion being terrible forever, I'd rather Fusion be terrible forever.
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>>85518732
>trade off logic in yugioh
That's not how this card game operates dweeb. It hasn't been like that since people stopped running smashing ground.
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>>85519858
I don't think I've been this buttblasted about shadolls in forever, learn to accept the fact the game is broken and move on.
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>>85519283
Yeah. Run Chaos Necromancer and Gren Maju De Eiza since Infernoids can't be special summoned except by their own effect.
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>>85520051
Not him but isn't more like how do I earn more cards than my oppoent?
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>>85519858
Your fault for being reliant on Rank 4s. ;)

Then again Shaddolls don't make me mad. I despise BAs and Satellas more. Traps or die decks are generally more annoying
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>mfw denko sekka becomes double it's value after the ARGCS
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I'm new to the game, basically if I want to ritual summon I can use monsters from my hand or field or a mix of both? Am I geting this right?
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>>85520573
If you want to ritual summon, you don't.
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>>85520573
If you want to ritual play Necloths or don't bother.
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>>85520573
Use ritual spell on monster(s) in hand and/or your side of the field equal to or greater than the level of the ritual monster. YES
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>>85520573
Mixture of both.

Also its not a good idea to play Rituals outside Nekroz. Unless Herald of Perfection buttmad makes you happy
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>>85520790
I just want to use Zorc.
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>>85520790
There is Demise Geartown OTK.
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>>85519283
Huh, so I basically play a bunch of brick and pray I open with reasoning?

Sounds like a 10/10 konami concecpt like sylvans. I'm still not convinced.
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>>85521023
Which is shit.
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Necroface+Reasoning in infernoids
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>>85520931
you might want this in your deck
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>>85521236
yes I do have that.
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>>85520107
>the game is broken
YGO isn't broken. It won't be broken until a deck has a COMPLETELY 0% chance of bricking. Every T0 deck that has ever existed could STILL brick, it might've been rare as shit or difficult, but it could happen.
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>>85521236
>that six
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>>85520537
Do you really think so?

I'm still debating whether or not i should buy a few of him.
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>>85517769
Stop running Alius
Why do people love to throw Alius in eveyr HERO build ever?
No stop
Alius is shit
Alius has always been shit
He was only less shit in HERO Beat because that format was actually slow enough for HERO Beat to be playable and Gemini Spark and HERO Blast were actual good cards against Inzektors and Dino Rabbit.
Stop playing him in M-HERO though
He sucks shit in M-HERO and more fast paced version of HEROs
The deck you're playing is supposed to extend into damage very quickly through Mask Change and Xyzs
Alius does the opposite of that because he's a cloggy piece of shit that forces you to prioritize your normal summons for no reason making it that much harder to play your other best card, aside from Shadow Mist, Bubbleman
And notice how you suddenly feel obligated to play Miracle Fusion, another card that is NOT good in M-HERO, because you play Alius?
Miracle Fusion is shit in M-HERO
You actually want cards in your graveyard
You don't want to banish things because Miracle Fusion is piss poor slow compared to Mask Change

Stop playing Alius
Stop playing Miracle Fusion
Pray that Stratos comes off the banlist some time soon
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>>85521434
>him
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>>85521518
Do NOT be rude to Alius! He works hard!
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>>85520231
I don't even rely on Rank 4s. I play fucking Qliphorts. I win my matchup 90% of the time and I STILL think the deck is irritating.
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>>85521236
>That 6
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>>85521561
>not posting the superior image
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Infernoid mecha chicken is fun.
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>>85522279
Normie beat down is fun. People don't expect it and are often not equipped to deal with it effectively. Slap a bunch of generic spells and traps, bit of atk boost equips and run over everything in your path
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>>85522548
Still have no idea how to build infernoids. Thinking of putting in LS to mill shit.
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>>85522979
Awakened Purgatory, Reasoning/Monstergate, Necroface Gold Sarc combos might be better.
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>>85522979
try reasoning, kuribandit and fabled raven
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>>85522979
I just admitted running normie beat down, I'm clearly a shitter and am going to be no help here
My favourite deck is currently Signer Dragon deck featuring Black wings for gods sake
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Does machina fortress discarding opps cards trigger shaddolls in there hand?
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Tourney when?
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Secret tech
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>>85523613
>allowing cheaters in tourneys
Fiancheaters pls go
Did you somehow get unbanned?
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>>85521236
>>85521860
>>85521402
This is going to become a thing isn't it
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>>85523613
I'll host one on friday and make the prize 5 steam games and the runner up prize a playset of vanities.
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>>85523223
Raven not seem like a good idea but Kuribandit is not bad. The problem with the deck right now is hand size. A lot of banishment, but great field presence, maybe Yamato Dragon can help with that.
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>>85524004
Who are you?
Make the challonge soon
pls
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>Play against 3.5 axis FF
>First two games are neck and neck, he wins G2 I win G1
>G3 my opening field is Machina Fortress with Gearframe attached, 2 Kaiser Colosseum, 1 backrow, Shadow Feeler in gy
>He scoops
Hah

>>85522006
Kek

>>85523378
Yes.

>>85523613
GOD damn my inner child is conflicted by this picture

>>85523680
>awful
>Not baskinrobins.dek
Come on man I thought we had a thing going here.
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>>85524237
On friday
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>>85523938
I don't get it, card is good if coupled with Zorc.
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>>85524237
Oh right almost forgot when you make a challonge people will just join it and challonge will pair them up correct?
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>>85524994
I mean people posting the card for number checking purposes
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>>85525121
Oh, guess I'm slow.
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>>85525205
Nah, s'cool, i might have misunderstood too.
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>>85520790
Saffira with a small BA engine is t2.
>Untargetable, one-sided vanity's with multiple destruction protection and cycling honests/veilers every turn
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>>85525754
Creature swap ;)
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>>85525845
Here have a r3, tgu, or manju since I don't burn my normal summon on saff. Stormforth and Soul Exchange are a bitch but it's also not that hard to bring out a 2nd or 3rd Saff and the big 3 doesn't run them much.
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>>85525049
yes
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So is it bad if you main Spell Shattering Arrow now?
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>>85526214
>useless against Shaddolls, nearly useless in BA
Side it if you're gonna use it, stupid card to main unless you know you're going against Qlis.
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>>85526214
It's only useful against Qliphs, so if you're playing IRL there's no fucking point since your locals will be lucky to have one richfag with enough dosh to run the jewbots, and there are other (admittedly less-effective) outs to Qliphs that already are maindecked.

If you're playing online, there's still no point in maindecking it unless you're playing Singles like an idiot. Keep it in the side, though.
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>side in cards to have a total of 9 tool hate cards
>draw 0
>they draw a tool and a searcher
Every time. I swear the jews are luckier.
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>>85527038
Bad luck, friend. May I interest you in some Anti-Spell Fragrance? Only All of Your Shekels for a playset, goy.
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God going first with the artifact engine in your deck is so busted.

They should make it not allowed.
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>>85527335
I love the idea of artifacts, I wish it had more than 3 cards that were worth shit.
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>>85527476
I wish the entire premise of the gimmick wasn't "Shit I hope my opponent gets paranoid and blows up my backrow" outside of 2-3 cards.
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>>85527038
>PWWB tool
>duality :^)
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>>85527038
Luckier? what is this g-....
Yes goy, it's simply luck, there's nothing more to it.
Are you perhaps interested in more cardboard to increase your chances? It all boils down to statistical chance you know.
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>Nekroz keeps losing every single nip vid I watch except for petdeck ygopro bullshit.

>10/12 decks in tourney lists I see are nekroz

Is this just fluke after fluke? What's the worst nekroz matchup?
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>>85527743
Nekroz is bad and Japan is bad
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>>85527743
Monarchs :^)
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>>85527476
I use chacra in my synchro deck, admittedly its just because I need something that tributes a monster with an odd name I can't remember so I can SS my Rose Fairy but the secondary effect of defending backrow forms free summon is cool. I don't think I've ever set it as a spell though unless my opponent is really intensive on trashing my back row
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>>85527583
That's not true, though, except if you mean the secondary effects of the spells/traps. they have many ways of getting off their effects that are quite relevant right now, even the secondary effects will see some play due to all the msts everywhere.
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>>85527743
There's no point in recording yourself outside of showing off, you're never gonna see the guy recording lose to Necloths on video.
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>>85527976
I'm watching this 'unofficial tourney channel', they are playing matches even.
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>>85527823
>speaking like this about the overlords
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>>85527743
The problem here is if they can't get a ritual to stick, Nekroz die. At least Shaddolls have plays outside the Fusion spell, Nekroz do not. They auto lose to side.
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>>85528218
>They auto lose to side.

Just like people said Shaddolls and Burning Abyss did because "m-muh SIM".

When will you stupid sacks of shit ever learn that "dies to side" is a moronic argument? Are you that set on wallowing in your own idiocy?
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>>85528218
>They auto lose to side.
Which they side for.
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>>85528393
Play shaddolls without a fusion then
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>>85528563
I will, thanks.
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>>85528218
I used to play gishki and I'm trying to come back for nekroz but it's just pstd all over again. Sure, these guys are consistent as hell and have all these great effects but is the same issue that shuts them down. If you can't resolve the spells your deck can't function. They die to every single floodgate and you can't possible open all your removal all the time and then you have all these new monster-floodgates and even the old ones still fuck them in the butt.

I suppose that the hits on shaddolls made them too unreliable to compete but then I see qlips full powered and able to run all the floodgates maindeck and just vanilla beat/grind out nekroz that I don't understand why everyone and their mom jumped ship into them.
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The Monarch Forced March
Quick-Play Spell
Once during this turn, if you would Tribute a monster(s) you control for a Tribute Summon, you can Tribute up to 2 spell/trap your opponent controls as if they were a monster(s) you control. You can only activate 1 "The Monarch Forced March" per turn. During the turn you activate this card, you cannot Special Summon monsters from the Extra Deck.
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Artifact Infernities.
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>>85528938
Straight up over powered
>2x non-destruction removal
>1x free tribute fodder
You could almost wipe providing you summon a Monarch with this
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>>85528763
MST/Twister/FWind/Hands/TStun/Denkou Sekka
I have answers flooding out of my ears post sideboard, oh and triple Mind Crush mainboard.
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I have created a monster.
A monster that will top at Regionals
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>>85528938
Instant +2, +3 if they have Vanity's up and 2 other face-downs.

The inability to touch the ED is actually worth it for this card, but depending on what Monarch you pull, that's some OTK enabling waiting to happen.
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>>85529260
Mind crush vs Prohibition
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>>85528938
>>85529198
>>85529382
Wait, is this real, or just an imaginary card?
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>>85529571
Real, its the reward for Buying the entire qliphorts core on eBay right now
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>>85529571
It's a nech ghost rare
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>>85529718
>>85530074
Guys
stop messing with me
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Karakuri Geargia or pure geargia?
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>>85530234
Pure Geargia.
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>>85530234
Play what you like more, it's not like you can pretend to be competitive while playing Geargia.
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>>85530234
neither;)
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>>85530234
pure karakuri
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>>85527743
I just realized these niggers are not playing any manjus or releaser djinns, I guess they deserve to lose.
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>>85530234
Hitomi Tanaka
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>>85529054
I prefer Shaddoll Hands Infernity Traptrix
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>>85530781
>not playing your auto-win enablers
Why would you do that?
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>>85530381
>implying Geargia isn't a good deck anymore

scrub.
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>>85530995
sounds like SHIT
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>>85530796
Is literally disgusting.

>Thank you for saying

Yeah you're welcome suck my dick.
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>>85530995
>Not playing Assault Six Shaddolls
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>>85524004
Do you wanna collaborate and make a tourney on Sunday?
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Reminder that next format is going to be Noble Knights > Shaddolls > Qliphs > Noble Knights
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>>85531869
lol dumb shill bitch
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>>85531869
>Shaddolls
>Beating Qliphs
I don't think you've played either deck properly if that's what you think.
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>>85530995
>>85531726
Oh great this meme again
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>>85531037
So you can lose to artifact chingchongs apparently.
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>>85531865
Make it tcg cardpool/banlist for the new pack release
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But seriously, is anyone here playing any version of geargia?

Or does anyone have a geargia list at least?
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>>85531935
Mate Shaddolls have so many ways to fuck over Qliphs its hilarious. They shit on them in Japan and they will shit on them here, too.
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>>85532082
yeah, they shit on them in Japan with their Heavy Storm, unlimited backrow, double DAD, unlimited Super Poly, and their Stick & Chair shit so logically it'll be the same here too :)
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>>85531940
Not gonna lie, I laughed really hard at that pic.
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>>85532189
Stick & Chair is kill you retard.
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So what makes you get nervous in yugioh? Justing seeing "set 5 :)" fucks up my whole playstyle. I rather deal with negatatons than the 5 unknown backrow
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>>85532189
Man, even if Qliphs somehow beat them out with the triple MST triple Meme Games -> Dragon that is standard in Shaddolls, even IF Qliphs somehow take a tourney away from them, Shaddolls will simply start maining Twisters and Dust Tornadoes and shit to deal with them. Also Shaddolls CONTINUED to shit on them even after all of that stuff you referred to was destroyed.
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>>85532335
>what is last format oh my god I'm so retarded and cannot stop sucking dicks :(((((( - your everyday life
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>>85532424
You mean the format Qliphs weren't in, retard?
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>>85532501
are you actually fucking retarded or are you just pretending
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>>85532415
I get happy when I see set 5 because my petdeck is monarchs.
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>>85532082
>Winda doesn't stop Pendulum Summoning
>Tribute Summoned Qliphs (aka: Any Qliph that would be battling) are immune to Neph
>Maindecks Skill Drain @ 3 as well as Chalice in 2s and 3s, making all the monster effects worthless until they hit the grave.
>Can easily run Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror and/or Soul Drain to ignore Shaddoll grave effects.
>Only out to Tool is to Dragon, Cursed Seal, or MST it, 1 of which will have to wait until the opponent's next turn, by which point the player will almost always have another tool ready.

Yeah, no. Jewpuppets don't keep up with Jewbots well at all. You might have a good Game 1 at best, but the only way you can reasonably win the match is if the Qliph player is bad or has the one brick hand in the entire deck on Game 2.
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>>85532562
are you actually fucking retarded or are you just pretending
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>>85532501
You're not a very bright man, are you?
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>>85532615
le ebin parroting because you're an idiot that can't follow the conversation :)

as expected of troglodyte network general
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>>85532415
The opposite for me. Getting all my effects negated makes me saltier than the sea
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Can you guys stop with the ialwayshaveXcard meme. It's pretty embarrassing.
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>>85532732
I always have longsleeves and cheat though anon
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Post Ebola.dek
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>>85532732
I wouldn't say ALWAYS, but a Qliph player that doesn't have Tool might need to check their ratios, seeing as a third of the deck is dedicated to putting Tool in your hand.
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>>85532732
>Not believing in your deck
>Not Top Decking everything you will ever need
>Not having the Heart of the Cards on your side
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Infernoids need a Captain Gold for Overflowing Purgatory.
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>>85532732
I'm with you that "X card is bad because Y card counters it" is retarded, but only a complete ignoramous doesn't build his deck and select his card choices with every counter in mind.
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>>85532029
That was already the plan. So you're good for Sunday?
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I run 3 MST 3 double cyclone 3 twister so I don't give a shit about macro cosmos, vanity emptiness, mistake, etc.

What other cards can people side against Necloths?
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>>85533259
ofc
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>>85533460
fuck off riverside
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>>85533460
vanitys fiend?
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>>85533460
Mind drain is the deadlier card with the excepion being the ones you called, skill drain is next then soul. I guess that dyno anti ss nigga?
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>>85533734
>Mind drain
Are people legitimately using this over Cursed Seal?
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>>85532942
>>85532942
It's anything that shit skin braxton puts up
Yeah nigger i'm calling your bitch ass out
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>>85533460
Shared Ride. Even though its almost a glorified Neko Mane King.

>>85533879
You're gonna have to resolve Cursed Seal twice.

Mind Drain also stops faggots from trying to live longer than they business living with Valkyrus
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>>85533501
How's the prize thing gonna work out anyways, you'll just ask for the address and send over the thing?
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pls r8 and make suggestions m8s
especially for my extra deck and side deck
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>>85534891
Delete.
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>>85535013
kek
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>>85533150
Not like we have Terraforming....
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>>85535291
Yeah, but you can't banish Terraforming for another Infernoid summon.
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I'm just returning to the game after a short break. Why isn't time space trap hole played more? I'm missing something here since it looks like a really good card.
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>>85535485
Yes you can...
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>>85535563
None of us are as clever as you
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How do I make a good monarch deck? I got schooled by one and really liked the deck type.
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>>85535670
Fuck you.

I'm just asking a question since i dont know shit about the current state of the game.
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>>85535854
The lp cost is inefficient, there are better ways to prevent summons, and you can just use floodgates instead
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>>85532582
all dolls need to do is keep MSTing tool until they win and they will outresource them and win.
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That feel when you're down to 600 lifepoints and your opponent has completely overextended and has 5 big dick monsters on the field

that feel when Vylon swarm into Omega and SHArk

That feel when you opponent tries to do something and is instantly negated and destroyed via Omega

that feel when immediate surrender right after that last feel

Playing Vylons can be pretty good sometimes
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If you could make one emergency change to the ban list before NECH comes what would it be?

>Heavy Storm to 1
That's all we fucking need.
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>>85521561

ayyyy lmao

>>85522006

Fuck off, Bonbun. That doesn't even have my face on it.

>>85523613

Y'all down to get fucking scrubbed up tonight? Didn't think so.

>>85534891

Okay. Here we go.

17 monsters is the correct ratio for Blackwings but you have the monster line up all wrong. Drop a Sirocco, Vayu and Kochi. Add Steam, Zephyros and another Gale (Steam lets you go into Leo off of Shura or if you normal summon Steam and special Bora. Zephyros gives access to insane combos and is the best Blackwing monster hands down, and it's retarded to not run the second Gale).

3 Black Sonic is just straight up bad. I run 1 as tech so if you want to do that, it's up to you. Battle traps haven't been good for a while. 3 Icarus Attack is a bad ratio to run alongside 2 Delta Crow. Either go 2/2 or 3/1 with Icarus as the card at 3. No Solemn Warning upsets me.

Mystical Space Typhoon is a card that's better off in the side since you want unfair trades with Icarus Attack rather than simplifying the field with a 1 for 1.

God, this whole deck is a mess and I can be here all night explaining why. Just net deck me, experiment with that and change it according to how you feel. pic related.
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>>85536776
>Heavy Storm to 1

In other words, you are bad.

Stop being a scrub.
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>>85536776
Giant Trunade to 1
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>>85536776
Qliphort Tool to ONE
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How are spirti beasts and hermit yokai?
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what is the correct pronunciation of Qliphort?

Klee-Fort?
Kill-Fort?
Keel-Fort?
Quill-Fort?
Kwi-Loff?
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>>85536776
Card Destruction to 1
:^)
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>>85537168
Clifford.
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>>85536981
lol this scrub
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>>85537168
space-jeew
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>>85536776
Harpie's Feather Duster to 3

Bring on the artifact format
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>>85536515
Easier said than done, remember thatodd eyes, summoner's art are all played in 3 in space jews, along with numerous means of retrieving tool with advantage occasionally, so you're dealing with more than 3 tools here. All in all there is a maximum of about 15 cards that end in a tool becoming a problem again due to returning it to hand, or it being activated following the activation of that card, depending on what your ratios and choices are, not counting things like pot of duality which only returns tools (which is a 2 of as well for the most part). Space jews depend on your destroying them, not to say that this is the be all end all of how they will tower over dark jews but the point is "just mst them or dragon them" is not a solution, they have many outs to your mst and outs to your outs as well that they can access more efficiently than you can access yours as a shaddoll player.
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>>85536917
That all sounds like shit advice.
I'll just play a better deck since you don't seem to know how to play this game.
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>>85536987
Mediocre.

Spirit Beasts have a lack of OPT clause on their effects/can abuse Macro and Fissure. Youkai are just weird stun that's waiting for Divine Wind to ever go to 3.
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>>85537684
>duality
Meant pot of wealth.
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>>85537818
You forgot that BABY APELIO DOESN'T WORK WITH BIG APELIO, MEANING KONAMI HATES EVERYTHING YOU LOVE.
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>>85537684
OEPD is only at 2 in most decks.
Pot of Duality isn't run in Jewbots, you're probably thinking of Pot of Wealth, which isn't out yet.
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>>85537684
it doesn't matter how many searchers they have when you destroy all 3 tools unless they run garbage like qlimate change. Meanwhile shaddolls can dish out a lot of damage now with el-shaddoll fusion so if qliphorts don't open broken they will more than likely just get OTK'd by shaddolls. Also you can side ceasefire and chain strikes against them to sack easy wins, its easy racking up chain links in shaddolls.
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>>85537952
No one actually uses Towers and the trap kills everything bigger than them.

But that is annoying
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>>85536959
Cold Wave to 3
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>>85536959
royal tribute to 3
necrovalley to 1
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>>85538045
>its easy racking up chain links in shaddolls.
No kidding.
>Stare at the deck too long
>Suddenly your opponent is on Chain Link 5 and you didn't even do anything nor get a real chance to respond.
Fuck that deck.
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>>85537989
>Pot of Duality isn't run in Jewbots
Top kek
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>>85538054
I just wanted a on theme star eater that I could shit out at will, but that was apparently too much for konami.
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>>85538323
you can do it even easier in BA
>have 2 mat dante
>tribute for raiza
>4 chain links
>clip a few backrow
>chainstrike for 3200
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>>85537989
Yes, i meant pot of wealth, but fair enough, we can count that out. Remember that there is still the trap, 3 equip,3 SA, 3 tools and 2-3 odd eyes regardless, as far as the "how many do you need to hypothetically pop if they return their shit", which won't likely happen, but does give you an idea of how many times they can possibly recur tool. With pot of wealth, if we are talking universally here, and since i can only play online, as far as i am concerned, they are significantly better.
Also duality is pretty good in space jews, by the way
>>85538045
qlimate change is good though.
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>he doesn't run the only good R5 for the counter match.
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Bonbun talks about yugioh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcGPYxpPt6Q
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>>85539368
Ugly art.
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>>85539308
>Keeper of Armageddon is good
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>>85539403
It's pretty realistic atleast
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>>85539549
And that's why it's ugly.

If I want a VN with realistic art I'd go outside and talk to people.
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>>85539549
>huge fucking eyes
>nearly non-existent nose
Most Japanese style of animation and drawing is rather far from reality.
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>>85539826
He meant realistic as in how people behave. The art is far from realistic.
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>>85539947
If I wanted realistic interactions with people I'd go outside for that too.

Then realize something is wrong with me and walk right back inside.
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>>85539368
me on the right
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>>85539368
Which one?
Also I don't use the term Skank.
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>>85540561
The cute one because that is what you are.
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>>85541261
Cute enough for a steam game? I want a few.
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>>85541510
Wait till friday then :^)
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>>85541810
I don't want to wait though.
It's too far away and i just want to play bad games all day.
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>>85541904
I already promised the other anon friday though
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Can I superpoly my opponent's qliphort towers?
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>>85542782
>Unaffected by the effects of Spell cards.
I dunno, you tell me.
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>>85542849
Calm down.
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>>85542849
You can Creature Swap it and Stormforth it.
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>>85542902
No you can't.
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>>85542902
Because those affect players, not cards.

Just like Bonfire of the Damned still damages Hexproof creatures.
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>>85543170
Well congratulations, you got yourself caught!
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>>85543201
>>85542902
Idiots.
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>>85543170
>>85543328
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banning people from things is not nice
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>>85543762
shut the fuck up, fiancheater
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>>85543762
Stay banned, BFK/Fiancheater.
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>>85543829
>>85543882
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>>85543762
I'm glad you're no longer around to be a negative influence on the younger generation of players.
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>>85543762
>filename isn't activating_fire_formation_tenki.gif
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>>>/a/116455202
Life is a Carnival
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well that was something else
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>>85544352
I was too lazy to rename it after I downloaded it
>>
SECE

SPOILERS

W H E N

When are VJump leaks?
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>>85544737
If I recall, there won't be any more VJump releases between SECE's release and now.
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>>85544737
After the 4chan killer gets caught yo
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/348/web
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>>85544383
That's what he gets for not running a Outstanding Dog Marron
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>>85545206
>Multnomah county radio

Holy shit he's in Multnomah? That's like half hour away from where I am.
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>>85545276
Hope you're next.
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>>85544383
>Running 34 Monsters
What the actual fuck was his strategy?
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I was only 14 years old
I loved Hoban so much, I had all his decks same rarity.
I pray to Hobans parents every night before bed, thanking them for the hero they have made.
“Hoban is love” I say. “Hoban is life”
My dad hears me and calls me a nerd
I knew he was just jealous of my obsession with Hoban
I called him a scrub
He slaps me and sends me to go to sleep
Im crying now, and my face hurts
I lay in bed and its as dark as Allure of Darkness
A breeze moves towards me
I feel something touch me
Its Hoban
I am so happy
He whispers into my ear "Good luck, have fun”
He grabs my deck box with his powerful arg winning hands and pulls out my deck
I’m ready
I begin a duel with him
He goes first
My hand sucks, but i do it for Hoban
I start tearing as I see him play 3 reckless greed
I do not chain my trap stun
I want to please Hoban
My dad walks in as I'm getting OTK'd
Hoban looks him straight in the eyes and says. “GG”
Hoban leaves through my window
Hoban is love, Hoban is Life
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>>85545551
seriously, I was expecting him to eventually mill a decree or fucking Dichotomy or SOMETHING, but he just ran Charge apparently
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>fiendish chain a tgu
>he leaves
Didn't even try to overlay with the math or anything, what the fuck. I mean I know overlaying with mathematician is icky as fuck but why scoop to fucking geargia so soon.
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>>85546216
>Geargia

He doesn't play scrubs.
>>
How do you guys resist buying cards?
I really wanna buy a Virgil, but it's gonna drop, right?
But the opposite could happen, Virgil rising, if the next major event shows every BA deck running Virgil, right?
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Man fuck my locals there is always kids playing the new meta decks yesterday when I was there 3 people were already playing cliffords
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>>85546417
Did you go to the sneak peek?
If no then you lost your chance.
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>>85546509
And this is a bad thing because...?
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>>85546216
How's Auger working for you?
And have you tried Attacker?
I find that 1900 beater is great, and when you get Attacker's effect off, it can have a huge payoff.
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>>85546524
I went, but only got Denko Sekka.
the guy right after me got virgil in his packs
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>>85546417
I only buy cards Neo New Sawatari approves of.
He is /dng/ incarnate
He is the true savior of Yugioh
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>>85546614
Auger is pretty standard in most Geargia builds and Attacker is fucking trash
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>>85546741
>He is /dng/ incarnate
You know...you're actually right.
>Comes up with good card ideas to counter specific decks, but...
>Plays like shit
>Doesn't Read
>Doesn't set BTS when it would win him the game

Shingo is the hero /dng/ needs.
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>>85546972
He never intended to win.
>>
>Playing against Shaddol player

>Uses Super Poly to summon Winda

>Should have summoned Construct instead

>Most likely would have won if he did

>Couldn't summon another Construct because he already used 2

>And he only had 2

Why the fuck would you play Shaddols and not have 3 Constructs?
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>>85546972
Nothing personal kid
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>>85546509
you don't enjoy competitive play? Shit man I'd swap locals with you in a heartbeat, my locals is filled with fire kings, bujins, satellas and card salad shit.

>>85546614
Auger's good, it's nice that you can attack then summon him mp2 so he's not totally awful mid/late game. Either way though, I feel he's staple at 3 as long as geargiagear stays limited.

I never tested attacker, I don't like how his effect doesn't include himself (especially when most backrow is chainable anyways) and I don't see a lot of relevance in being a 19 beater.
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>>85547134
In my NECH I had to cut her to two for Shekelnigga. Pre-NECH is a completely different story though.
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>>85547134
you don't need 3 construct with super poly at 1
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>>85547284
you do with el shaddol fusion at 3.
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>>85547180
>and I don't see a lot of relevance in being a 19 beater.
Well, it's just that I've been playing a lot of Shaddoll players I guess.
They have a harder time forcing me to go into the Extra because of Attacker beating down Lizard and crashing into Dragon.
And yeah, backrow chaining, but now at least you can force them to use it if they don't want it to go to waste.
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>>85547354
I dont know how Id add back the third construct
I am already having problems adding shekh
I might drop the last rank 4 I am running or drop blackrose
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>>85547634
>Last rank 4

I dont even want to see your shitty deck if youre only running one rank 4.
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>>85547634
drop blackrose
arcanite is enough
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>>85547586
Normal summons are pretty important in geargia though, especially with auger. I'd be disappointed in setting attacker (though it is cool that most the time you can bluff it as armor) for a turn just to flip it into chainable backrow.

and I think it'd just be better to rely on armor's 19 ass, then attacker's dick. Arsenal boosting himself comes in handy too sometimes.
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>>85547135
>Even has a katana to unsheat
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>>85548185
>I'd be disappointed in setting attacker
You don't set it. You summon Attacker, then next turn you set it and flip it back up when you have another Geargia monster.
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>>85547937
adding the artifact engine to have more backrow and tool hate has made me add pleadies, gaia and michael which made me reduce the r4 to only skyblaster which is pretty much the only r4 I ever needed
the other guy I could drop is leoh but that nigga can outright stall out the game against BA
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>>85548764
the point is, I'd much rather summon auger, arsenal or armor and gain resources then use my normal on attacker, whether it be to summon or set.
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>>85547262
>having to cut her to two
My nigga we don't even have noden and you're resorting to that? you have more than enough space fuckboy.
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>>85548963
*than

Goddamnit me
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>>85549005
Numbers on shaddoll extra deck?
as in xyz,synch,fusion?
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>>85549005
>Fuckboy
>not Fuckboi
And also what should I run sheckelnigga at? I have two but I want to cut one for the third construct. Thoughts?
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>>85549105
I am >>85547262 this guy.
Post NECH 2 xyz, 6 fusions, 7 syncs
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>post nech masterrace extra ratios for dolls

>5 fusions
>6 synchros
>4 xyz

fartifacts not allowed
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>>85548947
stalling out against BA is such a pipe dream
they always got an out or two in their deck and most like you dug deeper so youll deck out first and so on
and they can still make giga brilliant, then acid golemn or poke you to death with nightmare sharks
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>I don't play the best deck because I like having fun xddd
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>>85549130
1 Sheckel, 3 Nephilim, 2 Midrash. then you move on from there. I've tested and 2 really is overkill it's a good card but needs a hand requirement to pull off, + japs even ran it at one before they got raped by the banlist.
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>>85549557
>Nephilim
>Midrash
Who?
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>>85549680
Your prom dates you ugly sack of SHIT
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>>85549680
C'mon man, Star Lord! The legendary outlaw!
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>>85549557
Ok thats what I was thinking. Thanks
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>>85549680
>Look at me! I did it again! I'm so clever!
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this is what I have right now
side deck is mostly placeholders and stuff I had in the original version of the deck

I am still not convinced on the 3 construct argument but if I have to add the third one, what card should I take out?

>>85549394
that's the exact ratio I have in shaddoll artifacts
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>>85549680
Whom*
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>>85550113
holy shit 10/10 masterpiece.
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>>85550113
10/10
fantastic etc
>90 secs wait
the worst
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>>85550113
11/10 Sun Tzu himself went down to Mexico City to personally make you his favorite disciple.
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I want to make a Saffira focused deck. What's a good engine to build around? And is Prep of Rites completely necessary? Shit's expensive, yo.
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>>85549394
I'm all 4.
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>>85550278
Burning Abyss Saffira is the only version that has seen any play at all.
Prep is kinda important.
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>>85550252
>le meme bulb
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>>85550523
I have it, might as well try it
if shit goes awful I could switch it for a core as a way to make star eater
or run both I dunno yet
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>>85550523
>I don't run a one card star eater in a format where killer exists
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>>85549438
>>85549557

alright so, drop leoh for third construct then?
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>>85549473
You should take triple Killer Jewbots in there
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>>85550113
Think of all the situations Construct comes in handy to get certain cards off the field. Now think about you only running 2.. then again you're running 2 falcon, but i still don't think that makes up for it.
And your extra is all over the god damn place.
>1 breakthrough
>1 chain disappearance
>1forbidden lance
>1 dust
>2 fucking battle traps, in this day and age
You of all poeple should know better.
You could at least go 3 crow or 3 dimension ground to combat grave use on your opponent's turn. You're also not side decking spell shattering arrow even though qliphort will be legal on DN. Also i don't like this glow up buulb meme but to each their own.

Drop either an xyz or a synchro, whichever sees the least use, you should know ho you play the deck,.
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>>85550278
Here's my current post-NECH saffira build. Still being tweaked. 3 Dogra is a pain but entire theme is to get Saff out as soon as humanly possible.

Bulb is to make Arc Light. Milling is important, you want djinns in grave, you want Honest in grave (to grab with Saff and essentially become undestroyable by battle it's also your main anti-Qli play to recycle Honest infinitely), you want rituals in grave to grab with Rites and to protect Saff with, and of course Scarms hitting the grave is good.
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>>85550278
>I want to make a Saffira focused deck.
I will assist you in any way humanely possible. This deck is my absolute favorite I've played, albeit often times frustrating.

>>85551073
This one honestly looks like a pretty damn good build. I just wish there was a safer way to throw Herald into the grave, but this looks like it works until Konami gives us non-shit ritual support coughcoughmanjucough
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>>85550992
>side deck is mostly placeholders and stuff I had in the original version of the deck
the only thing I gave any thought was scythe and I doubt it's worth it
that side is pure shit and stuff I wasn't sure to outright get rid of the original main
I don't give a shit about DN but yeah I have those spell shattering arrows IRL
I am testing glow up bulb
so far heavy monster hands with bulb are the worst but any other monster in that kind of hand would be equally awful

hm construct is indeed the most useful and leoh is the one I make the least but I still can't make my mind
I'll probably drop rose since that fucker never seems to be able to land safely but goddamn do I fucking now I'll regret it
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>>85551437
Leoh dumps on a lot of match ups, its good.
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>>85551437
I was also considering armory arm as another out to killer but godfucking dammit extra deck to 20 fucking when
if majoras mask 3d got done I can dream for a larger extra deck

>>85551548
yeah fuck blackrose
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>>85551423
Agreed, if Veilers become more common in the meta or there is a risk of a skill drain that 3k hit is scary. But even if you have to pay 6k, if you get out 1-sided vanity's saffira it's going to be tough for them to get over it.

It's been my main petdeck for a while, I thought Qlis would be the end for it but I can do decently against them. Necloth meta I think will kill it though. People will use stuff to block releaser (book of eclipse already popping up) and veilers are becoming more common in OCG tops.
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>>85550252
play a third math. Shaddols lack good normal summons, and he's the best one. Especially since you're not so reliant on wasting a turn setting hedgehog anymore now that you have access to more fusions than you'd even want.

I like how you're just playing 2 constructs. A lot of people seem to think el shaddol automatically means you'll go into construct more like in the 3 super poly days, without taking into account that you can just fucking run out of lights and that was never a problem with super poly.
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>>85552018
I'm pretty sure that's what the foolish burial is their for.
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I was running 3 math but I cut one to make it 40 cards
I don't think the normal is all that important with sanctum around but I could also drop 1 sinister shadow games for the extra math
right now I prefer the 3 sinister games to shit on backrow
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Why is every cunt and their mom playing Evilswarm with ten billion backrow cards like Vanity's/Macro Cosmos/other gay shit, and why does it feel so good to grind out a game with them, and end up winning it?
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Anyone think vanity shouldn't be maindecked anymore in anything other than Qli?? It's fucking useless againts qlipoth since pendulum summon is inherent and sometimes become a double edged sword if your opponent have trap stun.
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>>85552273
because ophion shits on qliphoths
in theory anyway
ophion + macro/fissure is also good against shaddolls and well that's about it
it's an antimeta deck that isn't good at it
again
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>>85552273
Because thinking is hard work
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>>85552230
Just drop Chaos sorcerer or glow up meme for the third math.
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>>85552319
It's inherent but it's not like you don't know when it's coming.
>Oh gee they just played the 2nd scale I wonder what I should chain to it.
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>>85552363
>>85552412

I hate Evilswarm despite them being not so good right now, something about Ophion and the other shit they have really rambles my jambles.
They're braindead shit that sits on backrow forever.

It always feels so good to win VS them, no matter what you're playing.
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>>85550278
You can also try my complete fuckery of a satellar knight/saffira build. In theory all that light attribute floating and r4 into chain sounds good for both sides but it never works out that way. It's sad too because the combos are fun.
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>>85552169
that's like saying "I only run 2 karma cut in burning abyss, because I'm pretty sure that's what 3 pwwb is there for". Foolish is staple in shaddols, yea. So is 3 math.

>>85552230
yea you definitely shouldn't cut games. I'd probably cut an ignition for 3rd math. 3 ignition i find to be awkward since taking an artifact out of your deck and setting it is fucking suffering
>lost a light to fuse with
>lost a sanctum target
I mean, sure you can do something cute like shadow games to dump dragon and pop moraltach on their turn, but that's just not that great.
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>>85552554
If you ever seen an Evilswarm player IRL smile at them. They're so poor they have to play a terrible anti-meta deck and hope to sack a win against even their good match-ups.

Truly a sad existence.
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>>85552554
that's how I feel about satella fags.

>>85552418
pretty much this. Qliphs don't main mst do they...?
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>>85552392
blasting fuse
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>>85551638
Which variants of Saffira have you ran?
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>>85552392
Your side is shit, sith alchemist.
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>>85552732
>pretty much this. Qliphs don't main mst do they...?

Please be joking.
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>>85552634
I play budget decks because my locals has good prizes but total shit players and it's like making an investment.
$20 for $50 in prizes everytime
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>>85552634

Ah. It's a poorfag Ebola deck. I see now. Truly the Brazillians of Yu-Gi-Oh.

What other decks are for poorfag cunts who can't think? Lightsworn aren't super expensive, are they? Lightsworn players are always sacky cunts who always manage to gay you in some way shape or form.
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>>85552018
That's also a good point, i always forget about that since half the time i'm playing dildochair percy format,.
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>>85552626
>drop ignition
I get your point but ignition is also an out to floodgates and another way to shit on tool and the scales
what I mean is that if I drop ignition I'd replace it with an mst
I might end up doing what you say but right now I think that dropping chaos sorcerer for the third math is better
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Is there a "c" for fusions and synchros?
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>>85553058
not in the form of hand traps iirc
there are spells and traps
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>>85553104
That sucks
Hey jmex can I get an invite to skype chat? I want to see what it is like.
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>>85553192
I left the moment some faggot started spouting memes and a second guy replying in the same way
I think it was sfc
ask scorpion
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>>85553192
Sure post your skype email/name
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>>85553009
yea, it's just 3 ignition 3 sanctum with 4 artifacts seems pretty risky. Like late game you don't wanna be that guy that fuses into winda.
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>>85553303
[email protected]
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>>85552792
Not many different ones, pre-nech I ran a good bit more BA and relied more on mills. Pre-BA I just used TGU and more protection stuff like lances and played a lot of stall to get my shit setup. The deck has gotten a lot lot faster over the past few months.
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>>85553353
Sent
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>>85553303
I really don't want to be hacked
>>85553279
I can do that next time he is on DN I guess
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http://challonge.com/h6gzidyq
tourney on sunday
Dude who said he could do prizes, message me on Challonge or on DN.
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>>85553585
Sorry, we don't add pussy bitches to the group.

I already told scorp not to add you
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http://articles.alterealitygames.com/solving-the-trap-card-paradox/
Become enlightened with knowledge.
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>>85554082
Too bad because he already added me
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>>85553345
I'll go with this then
god I know I'll miss blackrose
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>>85554097
>It's possible for Burning Abyss to be played a big deck.

ARG and their writers going the extra mile to proofread the stupid shit they feed their sheep.
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>>85554097
I'll maintain your spot with my little deck
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>>85553697
>1 person signed up
>it's neo
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>Not being the Big Deck
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>>85511097
why these niggas named a dragon after the dude from the matrix?
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>>85554097
>Sylvans beat hat

I know you don't like the deck pat but let's not be delusional
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Traps are the weakest cards in the deck.
- Sun Tzu
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>>85554937
At last I truly see.
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>>85554097
I like how right before an event, hoban writes these articles with just enough information for people to walk away feeling like they learned something, while keeping out shit that would give him a disadvantage.
>Burning Abyss couldn’t really deal with established fields
he mentions this problem and the new monsters BA got, but not fire lake or how it changes this problem. Fire lake is a recyclable out to huge fields. I guarantee you guys that the decks that top Rayleigh this weekend will play 3, and hoban may write an article saying "I TALKED BEFORE ABOUT HOW BA COULDN'T DEAL WITH MULTIPLE THREATS, WELL LOOK NOW I CAN!"
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>A big deck with floodgates has a dominant advantage over all other possible combinations of deck type and trap type.
>And with that, we have solved the trap card paradox. We now have a way to consistently beat all other decks.
gg, hoban just solved YGO.
Everyone else can go home now.
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>>85555020
>3 fire lake

No one is going to top with 3 brick lake

Screencap me faggot
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>>85554937
>>85554968
>it took you filthy gaijins this long to catch up to the Overlords
Though it sounds stupid to me. If you can spend 1 card to stop a multiple card play from your opponent you're coming out ahead. By their logic MSTing a Tool isn't better than having a card to advance your own strategy. Hope you can yolo faster than Q!iphorts.
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>>85555150
but you're just pretending to be retarded.
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>>85555150
Now screenshot me faggot.
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>>85555378
I don't screencap fags i just fuck them
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>>85555020
Why would you purposefully want to help the competition?
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>>85555443
Madison Wisconsin, Hotel 8, Room 32, I'll be waiting fuckboi.
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>>85555467
I know, I actually meant I like how he writes his articles this way.A few paragraphs just to explain to bad players shit they should already know (like seriously, of course combo decks that play floodgates is best combination, we've known this since D R A G O N S) while not giving away anything that significantly helps.

I guess his articles help people help themselves, rather than just saying 3 fire lake is the way to go.
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I just signed up for the tourny. I will have to catch up with everything until sunday because i dont know shit about the current meta.

I know i will scrub out round 1, but pls no bully.
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>>85555717
YuGiOh players don't write articles to help other players, they write them for the money and to fuck over the competition with bad info.
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>>85556041
>Don't run Veiler at WCQ!
>Wind-Ups proceed to take the whole thing
Good times.
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>>85556091
but maxx c was what they needed, not veiler.
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>>85556091
That tourney report where Hoban cheated, got called on it, and then tried to defend himself in the comments was pretty good.

Wish I bookmarked it.
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>>85556141
Everyone cheats in YGO, people shouldn't be surprised by now.
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You can tell yugioh is the only thing keeping hoban alive.
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>you can tribute this card

That's a cost, right?

I just used Breakthrough Skill on Kuribandit in YGOPro and my opponent was still able to tribute Kuribandit but he didn't get the effect because Breakthrough negates its effect even in the graveyard, right?
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>>85556091
>Not staying a step ahead of the meta
It's the scrub's faults for expecting the strongest deck choice for an event to be spoonfed into their tiny scrubby mouths.
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>>85556356
It's working as intended. Same deal with Cardcar D
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Scoreboards updated for your viewing pleasure.
http://pastebin.com/9FEz7Ear
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>>85556390
Countering the deck that counters the most popular deck is valid, but there has never been a meta that cut and dry
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>>85556390
>get BTFO by rock round 1 is better than getting top 8
Alrighty
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>>85556535
Well there was once in that era of doomcal
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>>85556390
Flores is a known cheater and a huge gaylord fagtron.
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>>85556557
It's expecting you to be reasonably good with your deck choice and Rock not beating Scissors 100% of the time, that's why he tells the average person to just pick Paper.
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>>85556535
It happened in Magic.
Too lazy to look up the actual event right now, but it's described somewhere in Chapin's "Next Level Deckbuilding" book.
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>>85556660
But that's illogical because rock being twice as popular is a stated law of this exercise. I choose to take paper with a strong scissors sidedeck.
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>>85556660
No.

The implication is this, It's two weeks before a big tournament, rock is the most popular deck.

Paper counters it, but isn't played as much because of cost or something

Scissors exists, but is not played because it has a shit matchup with rock.

So a standard metagamer picks paper, assuming that the most played deck is rock, but too many people have the same thought, and paper is the most popular deck at this event, thus making scissors the best

Its just second degree meta gaming
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>>85556920
But what if people see beyond this simple exercise and the majority take scissors expecting paper to be the most used deck at such a high stakes tournament? Do you then take rock? Men prefer to take rock, and the vast majority of tourny goers will be men so do we then take paper on that decision?
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>>85556920
That's not what he said in the quote at all.
As the tourney goes on, the Rocks start dropping in number because Paper is beating them all.
If the Scissors guy manages to survive the early rounds, he'll be in a good spot because most of the people still around him are playing Paper now, which is a favorable matchup for the Scissors guy.
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>>85556920
>Shitting on anti-meta decks with anti-anti-meta decks that lose to meta decks, because nobody is playing yesterday's meta because everyone thinks everyone else is playing anti-meta so the only good option is rogue shit

Can we just go back to D R A G O N S?
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>People can't pass the basic test of metagaming competence
You'll never be enlightened at this rate.
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>>85557160
Why would scissors ever survive the early rounds when there is twice as many rocks?

If a rock player "survives the early rounds" scissors is fucked again.

The quote is just second degree metagame, seriously
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>>85556920
>take scissors
>lose to some faggot cosplaying as Yugi playing dynamite
every time.
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Rock= chaos dragons or whatever that didn't care about veilers
Paper = veilerless dinorabbit with like dprisons instead to beat chaos dragons.
Scissors =wind ups
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Uh guys, how the hell do you defeat a The Tyrant Neptune that was tribute summoned using Hardened Armed Dragon and Obelisk?
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>>85558082
karma cut ;)
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>>85557903
not at all.

Sure chaos dragons had a bit of an edge over windups, but they won the nawcq because no one was playing maxx c, not because of some rps bullshit.
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>>85558082
Volcanic Queen/Lava Golem, we've been over this
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>>85558082
Reddolce queen.

Honest, attack modification in general

Stormforth, i think
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>>85558082
Monarchs stormforth.

Satan/Queen/Golem.
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>>85558246

Cannot be targetted because of Obelisk's effect.

>>85558275

Oh well, i missed it and i just got defeated by a Tyrant Neptune that was tribute summoned with HAD and Obelisk

>>85558391
>>85558405

Oh yeah, Honest

>Stormforth
>Satan/Queen/Golem.

Are those the only cards that can use the opponent's monsters as part of the cost and that do not target?
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>>85558749
Dark Spirit Art - Greed, I think, does it too.
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T-thanks Nintendo..?
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>>85559174
The original moon wasn't fucking subtle at all, end of the day it's still a fucking evil looking motherfucker about to crash into Earth

The new rendering just makes it look creepier, by adding more detail and giving it a kike nose, which is a good thing
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>>85559174
It looks a lot like a caricature of a jew. Like that Ben Garrison fag is always drawing.

I like it.

The face was never subtle.
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>>85559174
The only reason you think it was subtle before is because you were a slightly stupid child when you first played the game on the N64.
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>>85559174
I dun like it. 3ds makes everything look so choppy. It's insane how far behind it is in display tech nowdays. My phone was cheaper and has a 1080p screen, much faster processor, and twice the battery life, get it together Nintendo.
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>>85560136
Nintndo has always been behind the graphics area anon.
You should know this by now.
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If I revive a Rit monster that was summoned by tributing Djinn Releaser and Demolisher, does it still retain its djinn effs?
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>>85560310
No
If a monster that was summoned using the Djinns is reset in anyway (being flipped facedown, leaving the board) then the appropriate Djinn effect is no longer applied
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>>85560310
No.
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>>85560469
The flip thing burns me so often with saff.dek. I can beat Shaddolls and Qliphorts with a fully knit out saffira and then get absolutely destroyed by Ghosttrick because of all the non-targeting flipping they do.
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The archetype of Crossover Souls is "Sephira", an Xyz-focused culmination of the DT archetypes, who also have cross-archetype monsters (Sephira-Shaddoll, Sephira-Ritual Beast, Sephira-Stellarknight and Sephira-Nekroz Xyz monsters).
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>>85562387
>new archetype is Xyz focused
Thank god, maybe we might get something actually good then instead of shit like Infernoids.
I want Tellarknights but better.
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>>85562387
Does your dad work for Kojima?
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>>85562461
"culmination of DT archetypes" sort of implies that they'll have Xyz boss monsters of key DT tribes. So that means Xyz Construct, Kannahawk, Trishula etc... which means they COULD be a bunch of Xyzs of different Ranks to match

Of course Konami could do the incredibly lazy thing of just making the new versions Rank 4 like they did with Evilswarm but they could also make them more like Evilswarm, as in shit
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>>85562596
The guy actually gets most of his sources from NeoArcardia forums, which are actually legit, he just refuses to post the source here because I'm sure he just wants to be the first person to post the information even though he's clearly just getting it from somewhere else and is an anonymous fucking poster which makes his effort for naught since its not like anyone is going to notice him
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>>85562605
>Xyz archetype that uses different ranks
We both know that shit NEVER works
Just make them another rank 4 deck, that's tried and true and not gimmicky crap. Besides, they more or less stopped making non-rank 4 xyz monsters altogether.
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>>85562664
>We both know that shit NEVER works
Full Powered Wind-Ups were a thing you know, and don't even fucking try to backtrack and say that their combos were mostly just Hunter Loops and Rank 4s because we both know that there was a format right after March 2012 where Wind-Ups still had a bonkers OTK that actually used all the relevant Zen Wind-Ups which was neato (except Zenmaines, he was shit at that time)
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>>85562773
Japan has full powered wind ups right now and they're not doing shit
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>>85562858
>full power
Add this to the list words and phrases DNG doesn't understand.
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>>85562773
>that actually used all the relevant Zen Wind-Ups which was neato

Except that's a lie because Zenmaioh was shit at the time because the chainable backrow was all much better.

Thinking back on shit like Wind-Ups and Mermail formats, it's fucking amazing that Vanity's Emptiness took as long as it did to catch on.
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Threadly reminder, map of faggots

>https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1172653
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>>85562931
OCG Wind-Ups have everything they had in September 2012 here. They just do fuck all because they're too inconstent and the slow grinding for pluses the deck does is too weak now that most decks can explode harder and way more safely and have just generally way better cards.
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>>85563070
Yeah, and September 2012 Wind-Ups aren't full power.

Full power would imply 3 Zenmaity and 3 Hunter.
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>>85563252
Wind-Ups did better in september than they did in march
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>>85563428
Because Inzektors were butchered and Chaos Dragons had their win-condition banned.
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>>85563428
That's probably because they had actual competition in March where as in September they just ran roughshod over everything except Macro Rabbit on the rare occasion until we got Abyss Rising and Mermails.
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Lightning Storm
Spell Card
Destroy all Spell/Trap cards on the field. If this card is sent to the graveyard by a card effect, you can destroy 1 Spell/Trap card your opponent controls. You cannot set cards nor conduct your battle phase the turn you activate this card.

Does this fix the TCG?
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>>85563645
Sure make it once per duel
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>>85563024
Oh hey, there's a decent amount of Northwest dng.

>>85563559
Even with mermails, windups were the clear best deck. And I'm pretty sure macro rabbit didn't exist before mermails (during september format, iirc joe gio topped with it when inzektors were a thing).
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>>85563645
>tfw people think the tcg needs to be "fixed"

Ok, here are the best decks of each format since heavy got banned
>September last year
D R A G O N S
>January
Mermails
>April
A bunch of different decks topped throughout this format, but lets just say HAT or gears
>Current format
Shaddols

In 4 formats we've had 1 backrow-based deck considered best of its format, and even then there was still a lot that competed.
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If a format has three or more decks in top 16s at relevant tournaments, it's automatically shit.
Discuss.
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>>85565752
>implying Sylvans weren't the best deck of April
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>>85566110
Hoban fucking pls. Didn't fucking dragon rulers do better than you at nats? Great deck there, does so great when you don't draw lonefire soul charge, huh?
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>>85566031
I wouldn't say automatically. Like, I enjoy this format pre-nech even though satellas, shaddols and BA top relevant events because satellas are a shit deck.
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>>85566031
So your best format would be a tourmament of mirror matches?
It looks real shitty.
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>>85566031
Yeah bro everyone is really looking forward to t0 necloth mirror matches.
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>>85566658
>necloth
>tier 0
lol just like shaddols and space jews, amirite?
if you don't know already, jews pretty much autolose to BA, they're not going to be anything special
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>>85566778
How do people like you just straight up ignore the OCG where Necloth are completely and utterly dominating that entire format?
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>>85566778
Yeah I'm overstating necloth, but a vast majority of tops will be necloth, and its not fun to play that mirror at all, and the deck isn't very skillful.

Also I don't think jews autolose to BA as such, but it will be a pretty tough matchup with all BA's pwwb/raigeki break/msts or virgil raping tool or skill drain or similar. On that note, I don't think qliphorts will have too much impact on the meta, they'll be stronger than tellars, but shaddolls will still be top, with BA in 2nd.
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>>85566778
Necloths are winning the majority of the tournaments in JP.

I can't say that it will be the same here, since the support Necloths has over there is banned here.
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>>85566928
What support do they have that we don't? All I can think of is heavy and compulse at 3, but any deck can play those.
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>>85566928
The only cards we don't have/might not get for Necloths is Heavy Storm and Nyarla, and the deck plays perfectly fine without Heavy Storm. The only downside about not having Nyarla is just losing the Turn 1 Valky play but even then, it's not totally bad

There's nothing stopping Necloths from dominating here at all
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>>85567009

When are you 'supposed' to do the turn 1 Valky play? I'm never sure.
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>>85567198
When you have the hand for it obviously, and you're going first in the mirror
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>>85566619
>So your best format would be a tourmament of mirror matches?
That would be ideal, yes. Isn't competition supposed to be on equal grounds?
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>>85567243

What is the hand for it? Sorry, just learning the deck.
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>>85567283
Any combination of Manju/Senju+Kaleido/Unicore+Shrit/Exo
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>>85566920
>fun
Tournament play shouldn't be fun. It should be tedious, grueling and mind-numbing, to reward both pure technical skill and endurance.
That's why the expert players loved dragon rulers so much. The mirror was both extremely skilkful and very drawn out and not fun.
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>>85567336

I understand everything now. I now will become a master at the balanced water ritual monsters of infinite searching and discarding.
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>>85567272
There are some completely garbage mirrors though, like chronomaly, dark world, spellbooks etc. that are just zero fun to play and way too luck-based. Mirrors like march rulers or shaddolls are alright though, but k-money would find some way to screw it up.
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>>85567406
Ruler mirror was pretty fun though, way better than the spellbook mirror at the time.
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>>85567009
All of them run 1 Heavy Storm, because it really h