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3DS eShop Sale
>http://www.siliconera.com/2014/10/20/shin-megami-tensei-iv-3ds-games-discount-sale/

PSN Weekly Deals
>http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/10/21/playstation-store-update-365/ (if Catherine isn't on sale now, it will be during Halloween sale shit - I can't find the link about those offhand)

>Starter guide
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10886965/smtstarterguide.png

>Tips and tricks
http://pastebin.com/qqxkrWFh

>Artbook, soundtrack, manga, and other downloads
http://pastebin.com/fgVp423S

>Misc. Translations
http://pastebin.com/LHKVLNQB

>Booru
http://smtg.booru.org/

>Recommended Reading
http://pastebin.com/YppqPPjf

Old thread: >>85060653
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I love Mirai
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>>85200602
THIS IS AWESOME!
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>>85200978
Im glad you like it anon
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>>85200602
>YHVH
>hands
0/10 wud not request again
Not OR but I love it.
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Posted in the last thread
I'm REALLY considering getting smtiv, but I know next-to-nothing about it. Give me a quick overview, I guess?
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>>85201086
thanks anon, I was expecting a lot of shittalking honestly
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>>85201204
Have you ever played a SMT game before?
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>>85201238
No, but I've played several RPGs.
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Which stat does Death Lust work off? Don't have mama Harlot yet so I can't check.
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Minotaur was easy, but "David" is kicking my ass so hard (dance of the dead quest). Any tips for him?

Mamudo keeps killing no matter how many Sukukajas I keep layered on.
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>>85201392
Western or Japanese ones?
Still, if you like Pokemon and Final Fantasy for their gameplay, give it a go, it's essentially a mix of it with a fucked up story. And aside from some recurring demons and the Demonica there isn't all that much stuff that would have you know the other titles.
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>>85202423
I don't discriminate in my gaming, so I play both. I'll pick it up, though.
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>>85202609
You're a good guy then. Leave before you get dragged down to the rest of us.
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>>85202423
>fucked up story
Nah, not really. Kaneko wanted to make it darker.
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>>85202876
I was not implying it's the most fucked up story in SMT or in gaming. But it's way more fucked up than Final Fantasy, which I was mentioning.

But, while we're at it, which SMT game has the most fucked up story?
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>>85202998
SJ, SMT II, and both P2:IS and P2:EP
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drawfaganon here
Im taking another request
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>>85203604
Hell yeah.

Mastema as Starscream
or
Starscream as Mastema

Your call.
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>>85203764
Is that one of those red/blue 3D glasses he is wearing?
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Just got Overclocked and the Chaos and Law routes have extra 8th days or something, right? How do the two compare to one another? Which path has the better boss fights?
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>>85203870
>better boss fights?
Law, by far.

>How do the two compare to one another?
That's a matter of taste, just answer everything truthfully and you'll get the best route for you.
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>>85203764
Ill try starscream as mastema
all this lawfaggotry
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>>85203369
DDS is pretty fucked up if you think about it for a minute.
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>>85204052
Alright, cool. I typically end up Law anyway so that's good to hear.
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>>85204297
>I typically end up with the worst route

I am so sorry, anon.
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>>85201204
>dungeon crawling and lots of it
>early game that grabs you by the balls and squeezes really fucking tight until you git bud
>choices actually have an impact on the game
>morally grey
>lots of religious themes
>gameplay is kinda similar to pokemon but severely punishes you for fucking up and using the wrong move
>get demons by negotiating with them
>negotiations can be fucking hilarious
>get more demons by fusing them together
>gotta fuse all the fucking time if you want to win
>overall it's pretty fun but niche
>>85202998
I've heard giten was pretty fucked but it's moon only
P2 and SJ were pretty bad though
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>OMG SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!
>Congratulations on completing the Quest
Never change Burroughs, never change.

Although I have to say it was way too heavily foreshadowed.
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>>85204341
At least Law never gets cheated out of the proper final boss unlike SJ Chaos.
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>>85204124
Bro, I'm not a lawfag. I'm Neutral.
Just saying, Law has some good image potential not to mention best theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yhh5Ol7AZ8


>>85204191
>Reincarnation
>Meganada
>Devouring your allies
>God erasing everything
Yup.

>>85204482
Pillar Zelenin is a bitch from what I read. She has a move called "Requiem" that is essentially Mem Aleph's MA, but for the whole party. Damn.
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>>85203604
Jack Frost riding Mara
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>>85203604
Aleph standing over a dead YVHV saying "You should have quit while you were ahead"
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>>85204672
would you mind posting some pictures of mastema for me?
expect that drawing next sunday around this time
>>85204779
>>85204819
sorry anons, Ive got my request, try to catch me next time though
I do like the jack frost one though
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>>85204672
>Pillar Zelenin is a bitch from what I read. She has a move called "Requiem" that is essentially Mem Aleph's MA, but for the whole party. Damn.
Most people who fought both tend to think MA was harder, including myself.

>>85204779
Should Mara be limp thanks to the cold Jack Frost?
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Has if... been released yet?
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>>85205523
It 's already released

in 2011
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>>85204779
>>85204819
Saving these two ideas anyway for drawfaganon so he can draw em later.

>>85204938
Here's a Mastema.
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>>85204938
Yet another Mastema
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>>85204938
YET.
ANOTHER.
MASTEMA.
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>>85205872
>>85206040
>>85206287
many thanks son of man
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So I just got past the whole Reverse Hills thing and decided to go with Walter. From what I heard, finishing the paradise quest cancels some of the challenge quests if they're still open. Question is, how long can I keep the tournament quest open? Does it close after that quest as well?

I'm currently neutral so I'd really like a few spare chaos points when I fuck something up eventually.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezMqkoP9pH0

I'm not willing to disclose how long it took me to edit this image
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any news from the anon who was doing that Strange Journey Doom mod?
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>>85208404
>Strange Journey Doom mod

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MACCA
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Psst.

Hey.

Hey /smtg/.

Hee-ho.
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Which endings do you guys tend to get?

http://strawpoll.me/2909775
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>>85208915

Get out of here.
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>>85208973
Hee-no.
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>fuse a hee-ho
>opens up an option to fuse Ou Huo Niao which is better in every way
>really want Jack Frost

Fuck SMT, I want to get attached to my demons goddammit
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>>85209258
>Getting attached to tools
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>>85209258
Fun fact, Hero fuses his demons all the time because he never had a strong father figure in his life and so he finds himself unable to attach himself to demons
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So I've been asking myself where the noob killer in SMTIV is. Now I know it. Fucking Minotaur.
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>>85209521
All protagonists need a stronger father figure in their life.
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>>85209258
>decide to fuse it
>fusion accident
>get some trash demon instead
FUCK EVERYTHING
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>>85210090
That's what you get for betraying your demon friends.
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>>85209521
>>85210019
What about female demons?
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>>85210204
What about them? Lack of a father figure made him not become attached to demons, not male father-like demons.
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>>85210090
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>>85210016
>Kill him after five tries
>MC died during the battle so he gets no EXP

Fuck my life.
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>>85210603
At least you didn't fall for the Kool Aid guy code
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>There will never be a TAE
>You will never follow in Metatron and Zelenin's footsteps
>You will never give up your humanity to become one of YHVH's finest, everlasting angels
>You will never rally the heavenly host to prepare for battle against the demonic hordes
>You will never descend to the sound of trumpets to begin the final battle against Lucifer the wicked betrayer
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>on tvtropes because bored
>look on the SJ page
>Copy Protection: Almost to EarthBound levels. Playing this game on emulator or a flash cart results in no random encounters, which makes proceeding through the game difficult. Even if you managed to get past that, the game performs a different save routine resulting in corrupt save data, which is then deleted upon attempting to load it! Get past that, and the game begrudgingly lets you play, but still crashes at random every so often.
holy fuck why atlus
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>>85211030
THAT WOULD BE SOOOO AWESOME, MY LAWFAG BLOOD IS BOILING.
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>>85211030
;_;

>and doeesnt
why captcha
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>>85211142
Maybe you should actually buy their games
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>>85211142
The no encounters protection was fixed on emulators and flashcards on release, but save corruption and random crashes still persist in most emulators.
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>>85211030
Muh Law.
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>>85211142
>>on tvtropes because bored
Pls, aren't there SMT games to play? tvtropes is the greatest shitpile of the internet I've ever set my eyes unto.
Played SJ on emu by the way.
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>>85211142
>Playing this game on emulator or a flash cart results in no random encounters
bullshit
played it on a R4 last year and had none of the problems
only a savegame corruption after i completed it twice after ~70 hours
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>>85207167
Do not care. Saved it.
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Am I doing it right /smtg/?
>>85211142
The corrupt save data issue was fixed in a patched rom, git gud.
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>>85211030
Not a lawfag, still want to see this.

>>85209376
>See pic.

>>85210720
Seems like good fusion fodder, though.

>>85211273
>Pixie in a Demonica, fighting alongside you
I want this so badly.

>>85212175
Gid lucky
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>>85212175

You're up all night to get lucky bud.
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>>85212175
>not entirely in str
I bet you go law too you little faggot
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Pascal the dog is here.
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>>85212530
>str
>not dex
Step it up.
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>>85212554
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>>85212175
>Minastir
You gay son?
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>>85212175
>Minastir
aha fucking nerd faggot lotr sucks
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>>85210720
>Kool Aid guy code

?
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>>85212481
>I want this so badly.
I want it, too. For some reason seeing a "human-like" Pixie turns me on.
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>>85213007
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>>85213097
There is a Pixie that can become human sized, she's from a SMT kahn, a manga.
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>>85213537
But she's ugly as shit.
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>>85210720
What game is this?
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>>85213635
Tokyo Revelation Pixie isn't ugly though, have you ever seen her?
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>>85213753
strange journey
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>>85213830
Forgot pic.
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>>85213992
Like this one too.
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>>85212530
But that would be boring in addition of being bad.
>>85212594
I bet you play on easy too.
>>85212991
Fuck you it was awesome when I was 12
Some handles just stick with you, or I'm too lazy to make up new ones.
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>>85213940
>Strange Journey has demons
U wot m8
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Or this one.
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Guys, i wanna a pixie SO bad.
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>>85214074
>tumblr
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>>85213147
...What.
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>>85214458
>wanna a pixie
Complete sentences, son of man.
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>>85214458
I'm guessing the only way to make her even close to relevant end-game is to stick Hades Blast+Focus+Pierce on her?
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>>85214695
The screenshot is real, but it's from a hacked rom. It's pretty easy to replace simple text and most of the game's graphics.
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>>85214803
TELL ME MORE
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>>85214854
Tinke for graphics, any hex editor for text. You'll first need to make a character table and maybe learn the control codes before doing some heavy editing, though.
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>>85214741
It's up to the reader's imagination to complete my sentence anon.
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>tfw found out after spending 15 dollars on OC that sRPGs are for gay nerds

On another note, how difficult/annoying are the mazes and enemy encounters in SJ? I've been meaning to pick it up, but some of the crawling in Soul Hackers really got to me and I don't know if I'm going to be able to handle it.
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>>85215456
>sRPGs are for gay nerds
Fuck you. Fire Emblem Awakening was a good game.

The mazes are worse than the encounters.
Someone can post you a pic of some of the maps.
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>>85215456
>Doesn't like the dungeon crawling aspect of SMT
How did you get into the series?
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>>85215104
4CHAN SMT WHEN
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Have you loved and honoured Mother Gaia and the Great Mothers today, anonymous?

>TFW all this lawfaggotry
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Ok /smtg/, I've been just getting into the MegaTen franchise and have only played P4 and nocturne so far. I like P4 and so far have absolutely loved nocturne. What should I play next? I've been thinking about trying the Digital Devil Saga games next
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>>85217414

DDS and Strange Journey are both excellent choices. I'd recommend either before going back in time to SMT I/II. If you loved Nocturne, I think SJ first - but yeah, they're both great.
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>>85216908
>being a disgusting chaosfag

I seriously hope that you mortals do not do this.
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>>85217414
Tell what you like about them and it would be easier to ecommend other games.
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>>85217669
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>>85216908
>>85217669
>Caring about gods, angels, demons.
>Not being humanity first
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>>85217792
All I care about is my waifu.
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>>85217414
Play DDS if you like more mainstream jrpgs, Strange Journey and SMT4 are more of the same demon taming/fusing goodness as nocturne.
DDS is like a traditional jrpg with nocturne combat system.
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>>85217792
>Having an ego almost as big as Lucifer's
>Thinking apes can rule better than an eternal omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God

>>85217909
>Caring about a demon that will sate your lust more than the common good of your fellow man

Filth, all of you.
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>>85217909
You're a bro.
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>>85218009
>Can't live without someone holding his hand 24/7
How do you even chose what to for breakfast.
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>>85218291
>Choosing to live a life of lesser happiness without knowing the loving, warm embrace of the Lord
And as for breakfast I eat the exact same thing everyday. Oatmeal.
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>>85218009
YHVH is like a human trying to rule over ants.
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> Fighting Asura in SMT IV.
> Easy fight so far, buffs/debuffs mean he can't land a hit consistently and when he does the damage isn't great.
> Nozomi uses fucking Zanma and makes Asura smirk.
> Get wiped in a single Javelin rain.

THANKS YOU STUPID BITCH.
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>>85217669
>>85217909
>>85218009
>doing, believing, caring about anything
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Just got my first gun equip in 4, does Dex increase the "Shoot" 0mp action the same way Str increases the sword basic attack?
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>>85218525
Does he have a third eye on his hat? Did he achieve enlightenment through pure ridicule?
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>>85218460
pls
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>>85218460
>Happier about being pretty much a slave who gets angel'd if he falls out of line in any way.
Oatmeal is like your god filled life. Unappetizing to look at and devoid of any taste.
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>>85215854
P4G to FES to Soul Hackers to SMT IV, currently playing DDS.
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>>85217669

And who gave you free reign to judge us?

>>85217792
Look around you. Look at the people on this board, right now. Would you trust them? Would you trust them to trust themselves?

>>85217909
A commendable start.

>>85218460
>Oatmeal

Content to stuff your gullet full of the same slop that rots your mind, I see. Wake up! The only way to protect the planet that protects you is to seize control of your own destiny. Show some spine! Eat something other than malted wheat paste, criminy!
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>Just hit Level 15 in SMTIV
>Fuck yeah, time for Jack Frost, ho!
>FUSION ERROR
>You got a level 21 Take-Minakata instead

Everything went better than expected.
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>>85215456
>>85218856
>all this shit taste

Go suck cock elsewhere you faggot.
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is there any archive with all, or most of, kaneko's smt designs?
going through the megamitenseiwikia downloading each picture from each demon page is a hassle.
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>>85218525
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>>85219112
10/10
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>>85218525

What excatly does smirking do anyway?
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>>85218782
I love my oatmeal. But that's something Chaos can't understand. Contentment.

>>85218872
>Calling into question YHVH, humanity's all-loving Father, as the natural leader of all
>Supporting a man who would try to summon the king of demons and spite himself into the world so that he could spite Law's plans for utopia
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>>85218872
>4chan ruling humanity
I have seen the light, oh lord. I believe now!

Nuking humanity would be the only answer
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>>85219108
Look at the OP god damn
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>>85219095
what the hell man

I'm sorry for not dungeon crawling encounters out of the ass and nerdiest genre of RPGs.
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God I can't get into Nocturne at all. I think I burnt-out on dungeon crawling with back-to-back SMT 1 and 2 before hand. Think I'll play P3 FES or Soulless Army instead before trying Nocturne again.
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>>85218872
Is it wrong that I love sort of "in-character" RP posts like this, that are still relevant to the discussions but do not devolve into autism territory?

>>85218992
Good for you. Some demons can only be obtained by fusion error. Hope you have enough LU!

>>85219095
Obvious bait, but tell me anyway.
What ISN'T shit taste to you?

>>85219294
90% evasion / hit rate, cannot be hit by weakness, do more damage (dunno by how much). That's all I know, though there's probably more to it.

>>85219249
Damn. Now I need a parody of the L.A. Noire game cover, but with Junpei, Chidori, etc.
Adding this to my list of /r/able images. Thanks.

>>85219356
I, being Neutral, prefer mine with some fruit and honey, to get rid of the shit taste.
Also, Merkabah, has YHVH ever driven you? By that, I mean just like a car?
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>>85219108
kill urself
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>>85215456
Go back to Persona General you faggot.
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>>85219480
>>85219638
i'm a retard
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>>85219627
Are you every time the same faggot quoting a fuck ton of people?
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>>85217595
>>85217695
>>85217923
Thanks!
I'm really fond of the combat system in Nocturne, i think its genius. The demon collecting/fusing aspect (especially in nocturne) is surprisingly fun and addicting, so I'd love more of that! I unfortunately don't have a 3DS yet, but if IV and SJ are really that good then I might just have to get one. Another question, is the combat system in P3 any fun? From watching some videos, I think that'd I'd prefer just about everything in that game over P4 with the exception of the combat, the fact that you can't give direct commands to your team members sounds fucking retarded
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>>85219848
As if.
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>>85219627

Nah, they're fun to make, and so long as they're on topic they aren't a pain in the ass. Besides, Gotou is bro-tier.

I was actually born a day apart from Yukio Mishima, so I feel a little bit of sympathy for the guy. Also, dat Golden Pavillion.

Also, does anyone recall Kaneko saying what he was going to work on next?
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>>85219973
>kaneko
>even alive
Just let it go
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>>85219730
Suck my ass, I haven't played Persona 3/4 in over a year and I won't ever again, I've been playing exclusively SMT the past few months, I just don't want to have to do shit like the Amami Monolith in another SMT first person dungeon crawl.
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>>85220041
Hope springs eternal.

;_;
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>>85220060
>waaah I have such shit taste

Go suck a cock you BR-loving faggot.
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>>85220193
What's wrong with liking Break Record?
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>>85210691

I'm fucking cursed. Same thing happened with Medusa just now.
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>>85220193
What's wrong with liking Brazilians?
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>>85220390
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>>85218782
>He doesn't put bananas or strawberry on his oatmeal
>He thinks he can be a top chaos dog when he doesn't have gainz
You'll be a petra or some shit like that faget.
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>>85220041
Fuck off, Nietzsche.
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>>85220530
He only said Oatmeal, nothing bout fruits. Also
>implying god doesn't forbid putting fruits into oatmeal because that's essentially chaos.
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>>85220941

I thought chaos was throwing the oatmeal at the guy next to you and yoinking their strawberry quik?
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>>85218681
Anyone know the answer to this?
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>>85220941
Even so, being chaotic doesn't mean a lack of discipline
>Not eating raw oatmeal everyday to get huge in a world of STR
Fucking Slimes, when will the learn.
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Are we ever going to get Nocturne or DDS on vita?
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I just reached Tokyo in SMTIV and just realized again how much I love the post-apocalyptic SMT settings. Are there any other media that capture it so well besides SMT? The only that spring to mind that come kind of close are the X manga/anime and Angel Sanctuary.
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>>85221612
Sounds more evil than chaos though. I mean, there is no order when you mix oatmeal AND strawberries.

>>85221669
>Not eating raw eggs, right through the shell
What are you, a pixie?
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>>85221964
Nier had a pretty awesome take on post apocalypse, although in a very different way.
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>>85221964
You mean post-post-apocalyptic setting?
Fallout 2 and New Vegas.
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>>85221820

No. Next question
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> Casuals cried about Minotaur and Medusa.
> I literally beat them first try.
> Nobody mentioned David/THE FUCKING HUNTER TOURNY PRELIMS.

So I take it casuals don't even do sidequests/come back at level shithundred?
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>>85223339
Yes. That's how they do everything. If something is difficult they wouldn't even think a second about it but instead grind some levels and take the problem with brute force.
That's how they roll.
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>>85223339
Wait people honestly thought Minotaur was hard? I lost to him first time because I wasnt ready and also got some misses which gave him extra moves, but once I realised I only had to use bufu, spamming that was easy win>

David's a fucker though. I keep getting hit by Mamudo
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>>85223798
My problem with Minotaur was at first I thought that getting buffs asap was important so I tried to fully buff up, oomed and got my ass handed to me. Next time I'd learned my lesson and just spammed bufu and won.
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>>85223339
>People cry about babby bosses
>No one seems to mention Beelzebub

Do they just not make it that far?
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>>85223339

blight blight blight
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>>85224549

Well it's only been out since Thursday for Eurobros. I myself have just reached Tokyo and have played for about 11 hours. I've only encountered Medusa and Minotaur from the bosses that everyone's bitching about and they weren't so bad.
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>>85225593
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>>85224696
well they are like wakeup bosses

if you don't know what you're doing they weed you out

too bad smtiv has nothing really that challenging except for maybe Kenji
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>>85225593
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>>85200792
I'm pretty sure PSN sales should be removed now.

>too lazy to check
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>>85227881
What am i looking at? What is this abomination that defies anatomy itself?
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Hey, this is the second thread I've been in since last May.

Has there been any progress on Gate?
Does Gatedev still frequent this thread?
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>>85228282
That's the power of 2d, my friend.
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>>85203369
I want to ask about P2, but I didn't finish them yet. ffffffffffffffffff
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>>85213992
CLAMP as fuck.
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>>85227881
What am I exactly looki g at, her Pussy? Her butt?
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>>85212175
>hours later

you've done good, son of man.
max luck is the only way to exist.
you'll be glad if you like negotiating or fucking with ailments or if you succeed at going neutral because you can whisper a good luck skill from the neutralfag demon that is amazing against any non-boss that doesn't null/repel phys.
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>>85218681
Yes
Go full dex for maximum physical power.
You could also make a viable magic build with just Ma and Vi.
It's up to you, anon.
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Oh my god, fuck this motherfucker. Fuck his fucking Blight, and fuck his fucking Mamudo.

I beat Minotaur on the first try, but I've fought this stupid shit 10 times and haven't beaten him.
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>>85229306
For the optional bosses it's okay to come back later after you've done a bit more main story stuff.

And David IS technically a fiend, what did you expect
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>>85219576
But anon, P3 has even more tedious dungeon crawling than Nocturne. Tartarus is just one long neverending slog through hell and copypaste environments.
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>>85229306
Fucker is a Fiend, the hell did you lot expect from him?
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>>85229304
>Vi
You what?
Magic build = 4 Ma 1 Ag
Phys build = 3 Dx 1 Ag 1 Lu
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>>85228324
Cancelled.
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>>85229460
Not even a intersting slog through hell like Obelisk or the Kalpas.
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>>85229429
>>85229524
The game said I had to quit that quest if I wanted to continue with the main story. I thought that meant I wouldn't be able to start it again.

Also, this is my first SMT game, so I don't know what you mean by "fiend."
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>>85229701
No, you can cancel the quest and take it again as many times as you like. Seriously, it's natural to get your ass blasted by David if you try to fight him just after Minotaur.

Explore Tokyo some more and try again.

And fiends are a series mainstay; they're basically powerful skeletal monsters
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>>85229701
>fiend
Tougest overall motherfuckers in the series, in SMT IV every single one but David is over level 80. Death in form and function and all that jazz.
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>>85229246
Pussy, obviously.
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>>85229660
Aw fuck. Thanks anon.
I was kinda hoping he'd finish it at some point.
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>>85229581
Oh fuck, I was completely wrong. Thanks for the correction anon, I don't know what I was thinking.
>>85229669
Yeah man, at least the Kalpas had some interesting challenges and parts of the map. Tartarus has nothing going for it besides the music. All the block themes and BABYBABYBABY are some of the best music in P3, but that's it.
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>>85229270
oh yeah,
ps. friendly reminder in general,
use a skill that inflicts BIND status when you're fundraising.
getting macca is still tedious as fuck (but battles not giving macca is probably good in the long run, you can't overlevel when 'grinding for macca'),
but bind can make the job more reliable between hunting relics
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>>85230351
I loved the Kalpas but holy hell, fuck the Dante tag, the engine wasn't made for it.
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>>85229460
FES has better plot than Nocturne at least.
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>>85230776
Nocturne doesn't have plot, you just go around the wasteland that is Tokyo killing shit because fuck everyone.
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>>85230776
Most things have a better plot than nocturne
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>>85202423
>if you like Pokemon and Final Fantasy

It smells like casualry.
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>>85230776
I don't think so, faggot.
>>85231082
>>85231141
Please educate yourself, fucking casualries.
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>>85231141
Cool-guy Tom going around Tokyo befriending demons and bullying his friends and Mr."Widow's peak" is miles above most of the shit produced nowadays.
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>>85231406
>Please educate yourself, fucking casualries.

No seriously, the plot that's in nocturne is good but it's spread sooo thinly that it's basically 2 hours of information spread across 30. If Nocturne was a 2 hour game it'd have a great plot.
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>>85231082
>>85231141
Which would probably be why it'd not be a bad idea for that anon to play a different SMT game before going back to Nocturne. Variety is the spice of life and all that nonsense.
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>>85230702
It was fun
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>>85230702
fuck you the engine made possible Raidou.
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>>85231550
>spread sooo thinly
Doesn't change quality at all. Also you don't have to exaggerate, it is more than 2 hours with reading and shit.
Persona 3 is hours of relationship shenanigans which I'd regard as a pile of shit compared to the topic of nocturne. The real "plot" of Persona 3 isn't that much either.
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>>85231723
Makes me think, what happens in the chronicle edition? D you get chased by Gotou?
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> Beat David before Minotaur.
> Can't fucking get past the second guy in the Hunter Tourny Prelims.

I'm level 24, should I just come back a tad later?
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>>85232436
Being spread thinly does change quality. A game could have the best story in the world, but if it's fed to me one sentence every 12 hours I have no interest in it
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>>85232690
Yeah I was around your level, and got to last guy in it, and got one shotted
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>>85232734
>i am dumb and i cant get minimalist story telling

Also

does that cunt of gideon will finish If someday?
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>Megatron in DeSu OC
>he fucking regenerates all of the health he lost at the end of the skirmish with victory cry
help
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>>85233085
>I love the Naruto anime and all it's filler!
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>>85232734
No shit, Sherlock. I was obviously talking about Nocturne. Its plot isn't that thinly that it affects the quality.
Also if you just see a game only as a story telling device, you'd be more content in the book/film department.
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>>85233190
>Also if you just see a game only as a story telling device, you'd be more content in the book/film department.

I don't understand, we're talking just about Nocturne's story here. I'm not judging the game as a whole because of its story, I'm just saying that as a whole the story is actually pretty short and simple.
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>>85233160
>Naruto
>minimalistic storytelling
Ah, you're a retard. I'm sorry for having taken you seriously.
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For facing David should I bother buying that armour that gives dark resist (will cost like half my money) or just keep praying to RNGesus? I'm level 15 atm if that makes a difference
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>>85233324
>Liking Naruto

Get fucked you retard
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>>85233296
>A game could have the best story in the world, but if it's fed to me one sentence every 12 hours I have no interest in it
Obviously a pretty shitty example brought up by you but you judged the game as a whole.
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>>85233497
Oh no sorry that was ambiguous. I meant that if the game's story is fed to me once sentence every 12 hours then I'd have no interest in the story. The gameplay could still be great and I'd still enjoy it.
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>>85233482
Nice strawman, faggot. You raeally put some effort in there.
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I for one really like SMT4, even though DDS had the more engaging story. Nocturne had a pretty interesting setting with the mainchar being a demon though.
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>>85233626
oh and another note - I still enjoyed Nocturne's storytelling and gameplay but some parts did feel long and drawn out to me. I think there are plenty of games that have better stories than it.
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>>85233775
>Naruto fan thinking his opinion matters at all

You belong over in Persona General, man. Come back when you've grown up a bit.
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>>85233626
go read a book fagget.
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>>85234029
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>>85234093
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>Gideon cancels If...
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>>85234295
someone called him a faggot, again?
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>>85234376
What, did something like that happen?
Is he a closet?
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>>85234534
Yes, a room full of clothes translates games. How fucking retarded are you? I don't know why you dirty BRs are allowed to live.
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>>85234657
Holy shit, never heard of a joke?
Is that you, Gideon?
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>>85234770
>I-I was only pretending to be retarded!
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>>85234843
>B-baka!
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>>85234843
Who are you quoting?
Nice shitpostong spree btw
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>>85234534
Yes i think that he is a Lawfaggot.
These guys always live in the closet.
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>>85235160
Why does Chaos always get the tastiest morsels?
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>>85235663
my dick cant decide between flynn and lucifer lite.
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>>85235816
May I interject another possibility?
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>>85236315
shit dude, i am a faggot but i certainly not a zoophile.
i will never touch a monkey.
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>>85235816
People seem to like making Flynn more feminine than the girls of the game.
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>>85236315
Isabeau is an indecisive slut

>boo hoo why can't everyone get along ;_;
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>>85236315
So little rule34 of this game :-(
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>>85234948
>Who are you quoting?
Epic s4s meme, man!! :DD *upvotes*
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>>85236515
>K and isabeu are the most manly in that picture

why
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>>85236708
Don't respond to the shitposter man.
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>>85233379
Anyone help? I really dont want to buy the armour but fucking hell his luck with this spell is nuts
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>>85236515
i remember that image

why is kaga the school nurse and not like, say, the wrestling coach or something?
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>>85236862
You don't need to fight David at all. The armor may help but you'll probably want money for other stuff
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>>85236718
>K
That's Hope
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>>85236862
i remember that the spell is triggered if you have certain weakness.
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So when people are talking about Nocturne's difficulty, are they just talking about Hard Mode or is Normal really that brutal? So far it's been surprisingly easy once I started recruiting demons - I was expecting the game to be much worse. That said, I've only had one boss fight against Forneus, which wasn't bad, but I'm beginning to dread a huge difficulty spike around the corner.

Did you guys make me paranoid over nothing?
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>>85237004
>>85236718
I thought that was Tayama
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>>85237043
After Matador the game is fairly easy on Normal.
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>>85237043
Normal is pretty hard, hard is fucking insane.

And forneus is probably the easiest boss in the game. The next one, Matador, is difficult
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>>85237043
wait to matador you scrub.

>Hard

Is just Luck: the game
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>>85236943
Oh I know I don't need to, I just want to get the quest over and done with. Guess I'll just chance fighting him again when Ive better demons

>>85237024
Really? I don't think I had any dark weakness
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>>85237043
Play Hard, enjoy never having any money because items cost triple what they do in normal mode. Back attacks, enemy criticals, the enemy going first, boss damage output and Mudo/Hama hitrate go up by a good margin.
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>>85237141
Why would Tayama have white hair and facial hair? Am I being rused?
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>>85231550
So basically, it's an advanced SMT2.
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>>85236515
That Jonathan.
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>>85237043
The game is easy once you learn to exploit things, like having your demons learn Dark/Bright might for Boss battles, there's a reason why those skills were nerfed in DDS.
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>Struggled hard with RNG with Minotaur, he kept critting and hitting despite the usage of sukukaja
>Fight Medusa with barely any MP on my team and most at half health, stomp her hard

Thank you for the based RNG during that fight, YHVH.
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>>85238437
That wasn't me, I took a nap after my RNG didn't kill you during Minotaur. Very disappointing.
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>>85238559
what the fuck is RNG
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>>85238674
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=RNG
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Did you know that in the year of the lord 2014, we still can't reliably generate truly random numbers?

Isn't that something?
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>>85238969
Its hard to pull numbers out of thin air.
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>>85238969
Yes?
eat this faggot:
49594234262602602626

chaos wins again
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>>85238969
>tfw hard determinism

Can't break the shackles of Law ;-;
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>>85238969
658546415531363448368774123189494948

Random enough for you scrub?
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>>85239463
>>85239590

These were seeded
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>>85239682
random.org
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>>85240526
atmospheric noise is closer to random but there are still patterns to it
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>>85240526
>Atmospheric noise is completely random because you don't understand the underlying pattern
You shame STEVEN
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>>85240783 is right, >>85240526
You ARE shameful.
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>>85232690

Seriously, what the fuck, it had the same difficulty stars as the Asura mission, which was a piss-easy fight.
I cannot see any way to clear this shit right now without fucking INSANE RNG blessings.
It'll bug the fuck out of me that it's the only unfinished quest in my optional quests right now.
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>>85242136
>It'll bug the fuck out of me that it's the only unfinished quest in my optional quests right now.

Prepare to be bugged then because SMTIV has a lot of optional quests
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>>85242239

I've done them all so far, no problem.
Just this fucker.
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>>85242363
Later you'll get quests from demons involving places you've never even been to before
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I just caught up on the previous thread and >>85198450 you're a fagget
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>>85227881
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>>85243351
Fuck you anon, I really liked what he had to say. Even if it was over the top and anime-esque, he raised a good point about humans as a whole.
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>>85244372
so deep
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Could I use Serph/Heat/Argilla as my party for all of DDS?

I feel like a physical damage dealer is important, with Argilla as a healer/sometimes buffer/earth and electricity damage dealer, while I do the rest of the types of damage and all dem buffs.
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>>85244736
Yes
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>>85244736
There is a part where you will have to use gale and cielo but it's pretty short
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>>85244489
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>>85244372
His entire post was nothing but pseudo-intellectual overly-analytical bullshit that also happened to conveniently ignore exactly how shit 4chan is as a whole. People are more genuine on 4chan? Fucking right. As the fuck if. Has anon even SEEN this fucking website?
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Does anyone have a higher quality version of the SMT1 TURN IT OFF screen?
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>Letting magic win
What's wrong with you guys?

http://strawpoll.me/2820925
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>devil survivor
>got up to the part where you start fighting Airavata
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>>85250043
>Airavata
Just Fire Dance the bloody things.
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>>85249806
>no ag/dex/spd
I'm sure to win thanks to my superior speed
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>>85250775
http://strawpoll.me/2916884

Just for you.
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Today i dreamed with you smtg.
We where a street gang called the Tantsuyaz
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So, other than the original Megami Tensei and the Quantum Devil Saga series, have any of the other light novels been translated? Really want to read some of the ones based on Nocturne.
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>>85251519
We of Tantsuyaz will change this rotten world.
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>>85251551
No. No alpha as fuck protag for you.
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>>85251551
I don't think so.
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>>85251551
Nope.
There is a lot of things out there but none translated.
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>>85251789
Who is the girl showing her boobs in the pic?
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>>85251789
Who is the titty demon in the picture.
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>>85252171
Ame no uzume.
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Guessing Uzume since Amaterasu is having a panic attack.
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>>85251789
She is not that big anyway
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>>85252572
Not with all those clothes on.
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>>85252572
Size has nothing to do with lewdness.
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>>85252572
Even if she's small a Goddess must have pretty tits.
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>>85248898
>People are more genuine on 4chan? Fucking right.
This. 4chan brings out the true self of everyone. The Midnight Channel is child's play compared to this cursed website.
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>>85245812
>pretty short

Seriously? That was pain and suffering without my healer.
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>>85252621
You want them really big, son?
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>>85253113
So is Mem Aleph's design supposed to illicit sexual arousal?
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QDS volume 2 when?
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>>85253471
never
read mystic script, casualry.
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>>85253441
That depends
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>>85253532
NEVER
I BOUGHT THE HARDCOVER
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>>85253441
She looks like Hikawa.
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>>85253641
Fuck you Freud, there's nothing wrong with having a milf fetish.

>>85253757
If Hikawa had dick-sucking lips and a killer rack.
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I bought the softcover
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>>85253791
>Fuck you Freud, there's nothing wrong with having a milf fetish.

But there is.
In other news, i want to fuck Erika.
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>>85253748
hell yeah.
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How do I beat the boss that turns your entire party into bats without Heat and Argilla (my two other normal party members)
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>>85253791
>If Hikawa had dick-sucking lips
You saying he doesn't?
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>>85253954
you are trash
>>85254186
negate his attacks
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>>85254186
By abusing the Force shield spells and Magic Mirrors. Null Force isn't enough though, you want to cancel all of his turns by either Draining or Repelling his Force spell.
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>>85254186
Null Force
Use Tera when he's guarding
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Will you a frost?
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>>85254281
why is he bald
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>>85253471
>>85253532
The translator already confirmed he got the go ahead to do the next book.
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>>85254463
Yes
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>>85254974
EXCELLENT.
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>>85254463
Somehow that looks more appealing than the original.
Yes.
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>my hardcover just arrived
>i was waiting a month to get it
>no dont want to read it

Why
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>>85254320
>>85254349
>>85254284
Thanks dudes, that was a pretty difficult fight without the usual suspects, but I pulled through.
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>>85256170

You're welcome pal.

Keep going!
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About how often does Atlus have eshop sales? I'm on the fence about buying soul hackers.
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>>85256972
Almost never. Last sale was a few years ago.
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>>85256972
every two weeks apparently.
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>>85257000
>>85257319
Fuck it, I'm getting it.
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>>85257000
What it goes on sale all the time
Same as smt iv
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>>85257547
totally worth it.
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>>85257547
Good. After all, who are you going to believe? Me or these evil humans?
>>85257319
>>85257601
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>>85257780
fuck you
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>>85229581

What. So STR is totally useless in SMTIV? I've been going with a ~3STR, ~2DEX, ~1AG, ~1LU ratio.
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>>85258402
Yes str is useless
Dex does it better
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To get 71 (dekaja/dekuna) do I have to do the 62, 68, and 72 routes?
And what about 66?
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>>85258581

Whelp, good to know before I totally fuck myself.
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>>85259352
You cant fuck yourself in SMT IV.

You have to be medically retarded to.
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>>85259352
You'd be fine regardless, the game throws incense at you
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>random schoolgirl in the middle of run down Tokyo

Totally not a demon guys.
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In smt4 what rate of exp do demons not in your party get? 50% or 100%?
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BREAK RECORD WHEN FAGGOTS
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Which is shorter: Persona 3 FES, Digital Devil Saga, or SMT3?
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>>85261962
dds or nocturne
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>>85261962
In order from shortest to longest
DDS, Nocturne, FES+The Answer
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>>85261343
It's Loki.
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>>85261343
but is a demon that i will fug
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>>85261962
DDS
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I'm about to start SMTiv, my first smt game. Is there anything I need to know before I begin?
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>>85262315
Buff and Debuff
Go chaos.

Thats all.
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>>85262315
Buff and debuff, fuse your demons, sacrifice a son of heaven to the RNG.
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>>85262315
Don't worry about routes/alignment first time through. Answer questions and make decisions based on your own feelings. It's the best way to enjoy SMT.

Although Law is the worst alignment in general
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>>85262315

Always say you want to save humans, kill demons, protect order, and do anything johnathan says.
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>>85262315
Buff and Debuff.
Go law.

Thats all.
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>>85262315
DO NOT PUT POINTS IN STRENGTH.
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>>85262478

>law
>worse than chaos
>taking orders from a potato.
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>>85262390
>>85262452
>>85262478
>>85262503
>>85262516
>>85262517
>All of this conflicting information
I don't know what to believe anymore
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I'm >>85262516 and >>85262656

Just posting again to apologize for my shit taste and being a terrible lawfag. <3
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>>85262315
Walter is always right
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>>85253791
>>85254281
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>>85262748
In all seriousness, ignore routes/alignments your first time through. Answer how you want, you'll enjoy the game much more that way and this hold true for any SMT game. Besides that, just follow the general FAQ for any questions. http://pastebin.com/Z8zrVDx5
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>>85262853
See, this is why I wanna learn how to draw.
10/10
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>>85262478
>Don't worry about routes/alignment first time through.
Basically this.
As long as you're not a horribly edgy faggot, you'll end up law anyway.
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>>85262830
>tfw wanting to go with Walter but all choices I've made until now as gut choices made him go "fuck you" and that other fag go "i like u"
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>>85262853
these boobs.
but that bald head.


i feel so conflicted.
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>>85262936
>wanting to eradicate an entire populace
>not edgy
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>>85262853
Would give the Magatama/10
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Im level 15 and just a bit past Minotaur, what are some decent demons to have at this stage?
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>>85258886
pls

I'd like to rush certain mantras but I'm still not sure how the tree system works like this.
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>>85262853
11/10
>>85262928
Yeah, this.
>you will never be a /smtg/ drawfag
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>>85263707
I'm trying.
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>girl see you reading
>wow is that book about the nickelodeon cartoon??

Why smtg.
why.
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>>85264253
>I'm trying.
Post your recent drawing
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>>85263694
62 and 68 lines for 66, 68 and 72 lines for 71, honestly though you only need to get Power Charge and a strong single and multi-target physical skill and the game becomes a cakewall, Mind charge is obtainable much later and Apocalypse is ridiculosly good.
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>>85254019
why would a preteen wear thigh highs?

Why did Six kill his sister?
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>>85254019
>No raping!
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>>85264416
Please, be gentle. It's my third day.
Excuse the pic quality; I'm pretty tired and can't seem to take a good picture, and I have no other way to get them in my computer.
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>>85264825
>why would a preteen wear thigh highs?
Because she is a litte slut.

A little ghostly slut.
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>>85264970
I like it. I like you.
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IF... WHEN

I WANT IT NOW
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>>85264970
Practice more.
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CHiAKI BEST
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i drew the whithe for you smtg
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What's better, drain or null?
And what's the difference between null and void?
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>>85265327
drain.
null only works sometimes if i remember correctly.
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>>85264346
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>85265563
Drain and null both fail to pierce.
Reflect doesn't
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>>85265563
>>85265327
null and void are the same, unless you're talking about DDS or something
which game are you talking about?
anything below repel is kinda the same, so you may as well go with drain.

repel is the best if you can get it. nothing gets past repel, while everything else can be bypassed with a piercing skill
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>>85266064
I am talking about DDS.

I'm not sure what piercing skills are.
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>>85266064
But you want drain, not repel. You might repel something back to an enemy that drains the spell that was reflected.
And what enemies have piercing skills aside from the Archangels in IV?
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>>85265613
>AVATAR tuner
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>>85266298
That really isn't a big deal unless you're against a boss
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>>85262315
Use buffs and debuffs against bosses
Fuse often so long as levels go up or don't drop much
Always attack weaknesses
Don't worry about alignments for your first run
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>>85263059

>wanting to.
>Not doing it because its your only choice.
>accepting that there are no exceptions and eradicating yourself as well.
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>there actually fucking Chaosfags in this thread
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>>85269012
You have a problem lawboi?
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>>85269012

Don't waste energy having a reaction. Just report any chaotically aligned post you see.
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>>85269185
>lawfags are fuccbois
>chaosfags are fujoshis
what are neuters?
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>>85269290
you don't know what fuccboi means buddy boy
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>>85269185
why was he called awake jiminez

did he wake up from the law brainwashing or something
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>>85269290

Virgin autists.
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>>85269290
People who like vanilla shit like holding hands
Weirdos, right?
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>>85269195
This. Also avoid responding to chaosfags, it just makes it worse.
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>>85269416
>jiminez
Why some people do this? I bet you even pronounce the J wrong.
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>>85269363
probably.
enlighten me.
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>>85269629
I forget how it's spelled, bite me. And of course it's a spanish J. It'd be like yimenez or something
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>>85269692
He-menez
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>>85269692
You're funny.
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>>85269416
he was awakened to demonic power.

there's something somewhere that says about as much as to why that's his classification
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>>85269692
He-menez
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>>85269830
Is that you, Jack Frost?
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>>85269692
Eww, why would I bite you? That's gross.
Now, depending on what dialect you talk, it would be either "Jiménez" or "Jiménes".
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Lawfags, could you find me someone who is more than a qt than Lilith?
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>>85269639
It's an /fa/ insult like pleb on /tv/ and /mu/, it means that someone has no fashion sense
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>>85269976

Pretty much anyone? Someone should tell her that bad 80s hair went out of style when the 80s ended.
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>>85269976
Zelenin
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>>85270079
she is an android
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>>85270169
Cute. I want to make a whole bunch of Aryan babies with Zelenin
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>>85269976
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>>85270367
>aryan
>zelenin

/pol/ plz
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>>85270640
She's literally German
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>>85270779

>Zelenin is a Russian scientist who holds the rank of First Lieutenant and is a crew member aboard Ship 3, the Elve.
she is russian, dumb cunt.
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>>85270779
she's a slav mjet
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>>85270871
>>85270881

whatever, she still has deliciously pale skin, blonde hair and blue eyes

10/10 would impregnate
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Hoy
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>>85270962
by the by
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>>85270962
Mañana
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>>85266409
Fuck me, I forgot the subtitle of the game.
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How do the sales work in smt4? Is it random or is it based on real life days? Or is it just for show? I tried googling but that just finds people talking to the game being on sale as it is every 3 weeks.
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>>85224549
I'm tempted to just look up his weaknesses and moveset to come up with a battle plan, but fighting him over and over again until I figure that stuff out on my own is fun
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>>85270962
Hell's bells!
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>>85273551
I think it's random. There's no moon phases so it's hard to say.
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Any tips for defeating Tiamat in SJ?
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Why walter has is own game
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How come girls take their shirt off so cutely? It's like they're unwrapping a present or something, it's adorable.
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>>85274176
dont be a pussy
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>>85275215
>human girls
Absolutely disgusting
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>>85275481
I didn't specify human. I'll bet lillim or whatever takes her shirt off cutely too. I don't know where girls learn to do that but it's amazing.

Also you can't do it with men's shirts for some reason
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>>85275215

Because pulling from the top would mess up hair more. Its also more likely to stretch and rip shirts, and since girl shirts are generally made from softer material its a bigger deal for them. They're also tighter shirts, which would make them more likely to stretch when pulled from the top.

It should be noted that many girls just consider that the normal way and say that the way guys take shirts off is hotter.
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>smtg: shirt fetishism discussion group
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>>85275481
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>>85275614
Yeah, I remember reading a tumblr exchange or something where girls tried to take their shirts of like boys and boys tried to take their shirts of like girls. It didn't work out.

I think boy's shirts are looser around the back which allows them to be pulled over the head easier while girl's shirts are less tight around the sides allowing them to do that cute crossarm thing.

I'm not complaining, I think it's cute af. I hope girls take their shirts off like this forever.
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>>85275614
>the way guys take shirts off is hotter
I thought guys took shirts off from the bottom too. The pulled from the top method definitely seems more like a guy thing, but a lazy guy thing.

It's hotter when they take it off starting from the bottom.
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>>85276160
are you a grill
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>>85276160

I've rarely ever seen guys take it off from the bottom.
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>>85275928
Apparently it stops them from stretching by doing the cross arm thing
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>>85276160

I always thought it was a lazy guy thing but did it anyways since I assumed that doing the bottom was deliberately a sexual thing. Then I get told that girls consider the taking it from the top thing the hot guy way of doing it so to be hot i should do it that way. I even tried from the bottom, and was told that looks too girly.
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You guys are so weird
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>>85276737

Why? No one said that they take their shirt off by grabbing the back and doing a somersalt yet.
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>>85276737

You expected otherwise?
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>not removing your shirt like this
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>>85276941
>not channeling your ki and tearing off your shirt with a burst of energy
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>>85276737
I bet maya takes her shirt off the cute way. She probably wiggles her hips too like some girls do, which is hot as hell
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