/smtg/ Shin Megami Tensei General

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When you least expect me, I will be there pitiful Son of Man, to ruin all you hold dear!

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But I won't cry for yesterday, there's an ordinary world,
Somehow I have to find.
And as I try to make my way, to the ordinary world
I will learn to survive.

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I want to fuck Uzume.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCdT59_cov0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEtRzDYYBuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj7Z4sKR73g

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>>79517794
>His team is Kagutsuchi, Lucifer, Metatron, Beelzebub(fly), Overpowered Pixie and finally Himself

>Gym leaders are Fiends

>Starters are Jack Frost for water(King Frost at 16, Black Frost at 36), Pixie for grass(High Pixie at 16, Queen Mab at 34) and Shiisa for fire(Orthrus at 16, Chimaera at 36 I dunno)

>keep encountering omoikane in DDS1
>tfw they're nothing but time wasters because all mantras are maxed and I have no need for cash
Fuck.

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>>79519326
Why King Frost before Black Frost?

>>79519326
But Black Frost would have to be Fire/Water.

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>>79519150

Every world, is my world
Any world, is my world
Any world, is my world
Every world is my world

>>79519260
SMTIV is the second best MegaTen OST behind DDS1 and 2

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>>79519558
Um...what are you guys doing/talking about/quoting?

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i want to fuck erika

>>79519487
It's easier for him to have a second element, ie Water/Dark or something. I guess King Frost could be Water/Fairy.
>>79519531
Maybe it could be Pyro Jack > ????? > Blackfrost Fire/Ice

"benis" -mc ride

>>79519678

The first one was a song.

The demi-fiend one I dunno.

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Professor Steven: What is your name? Are you a boy or a girl?

Who would you rather have as a starter demon?
*looking down at the comp*

Pixie (Lightning)
Jack Frost (Ice)
Pyro Jack (Fire)

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>>79519326
Fire could be Garm>Othrus>Cerberus

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I want to fuck Mirai.

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>>79518574
This thing was in Soul hackers right? what is supposed to be?

>And also that fucking snappy

Bad news, EPP translation is ded
http://gbatemp.net/threads/persona-2-eternal-punishment-time-for-a-fan-translation.344765/page-9

>>79519851
Or Jack Frost -> King Frost -> Frost Ace.
Of course, this line shouldn't be water at all, just Ice. Frost Ace could be Ice/Steel or something, I don't know.

>>79519896
Both are lyrics from Duran Duran's Ordinary World. This should be the main theme of /smt/ generals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1PnQT4emS0

>>79520136
But shouldn't King Frost be the final evolution? He IS the most powerful Frost after all.

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>>79520032
Petite Frost would come before Jack. Then Jacks evolution would be based on what you do with him.

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>>79520104
Don't you lie to me motherfucker

>>79520202
I guess. Doesn't really matter.

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>>79520224
>fire stone evolves him into Pyro Jack
>friendship at night = Jack the Ripper
>moonstone/waterstone is Jack Frost

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>>79520259
There has been no updates for months and the people claiming to be working on it were retards from a Zelda fan community IRC with no hacking experience.

>>79520173
>duran duran

We are that gay?

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>>79520343
>same fagging THIS hard

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>>79520069
Mechi was a digital pet in Soul Hackers. You could never have one in the original.

Nemechi seems to be a fusion between Mechi and Nemissa considering it's angel forms resemble her true form and it starts out a cute genderless ball.

I laughed when the guy who takes care of them and says you have to treat them well got bit by one.

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>>79519391
>tfw never killed a single omoikane

>>79520528
It's not worth all the preparation anyway. Not in DDS1, that is.

I really want to do this silly Pokemon romhack now, damn. I don't have any hacking experience beyond doing basic stuff in Pokemon roms, though. All I really know how to do is basic tile/map editing, replacing sprites, editing stats/movesets, dialogue, and trainer battles. And I really don't know if I have the motivation to pull it off.

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>>79520412
totally not a pikachu rip off!

>>79520069
Even in Devil Children he isn't trustworthy. The Demonary mentions that he is evil and always a liar.

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>>79520665
Mechi so cute.

Gotta watch out for them level 5 Nekomata's. They'll fuck shit up by marin karin your party.

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>>79520893
where the fuck is this thing neck?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_peXk2XzcM
Why in the fuck is this game's OST so fucing good?

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>>79520660
So who are you going to pick? Hazma should be the rival.

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>>79520998
A vampire trying to see where he's suppose to suck the blood.

>>79521079
Here is another great song. I sometime listen to this when I go out for a walk at dusk or night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ywjbPxYuaw

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>>79520606
>not worth the preparation in DDS1
Nigger please. The only time it's not worth it in DDS1 is if you have the horrific misfortune of encountering something like pic related. Good luck getting them all.
Seriously though, all it takes in DDS1 is a bit of luck, Taunt and maybe Dekunda.

>>79521161
if... protags would be an easy choice for the trainer. I could also replace attack names, like:
>thundershock is zio
>thunderbolt is zionga
>thunder is ziodyne
>ember is agi
>tarunda is growl
>sukukaja is agility
etc

That's a lot of spriting work for me, though.

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wat

>>79521079
go cream your pants:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M9fv18GRcg

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Why aren't you watching If...?

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>>79521496
What's wrong?

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>>79521496
Hel is the Demon King of Ice Land. Frostkind lives in fear of Hel's tyranny.

>>79521161
translation when

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>>79521496
Kyuuyaku's music was done by Hitoshi Sakimoto. The guy that did FF Tactics and FFXII.

>>79521559
I'm only into movies and shows younger than me.

>>79521496
Unfortunately I can't into remixes/arrangements.
Even EO's arrangements don't do it for me.

>>79521678
>The original songs were composed by Tsukasa Masuko

>>79521559
2british4me

>>79521919
It takes some work getting NES music to sound like great SNES music. It can go terribly wrong, check out SMB from Super MArio All-Stars.

>>79521496
>23min
That's some rockabilly stuff

Is there any canonical reason why the demons people turn into in DDS are from real-life mythologies or does Atlus not even have an excuse for reusing assets

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>>79521668
b-b-but hel has a vagoo.

>>79522017
W-whats wrong with SMAS?

>>79522080
>or does Atlus not even have an excuse for reusing assets

Why did you even have to ask?

>>79522080
It's explained in DDS2 as something about belief and the flow of data, but I don't remember much.

>>79522196
I hated the new SMB music. SMB3 was okay, SMB2 was awesome.

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>>79522147
So does Isis and she is the Demon King of Sand Land.

Goddam Raidou's last dungeon is a shit and i forgot to buy stuff.

>>79519169
Good taste.

>>79522147
He seems pretty cool to hang out with.

>>79523958
Yeah, he seems pretty chill.

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/smtg/, would you buy a COMP in SMT1's style? I'm gonna be an E.E./C.E. in 2 years, so I'd better get to prototyping before I start working for Tayama-like assholes.

>inb4 all you cool kids want to demon summon with iSoul 8's

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>>79524563
Gimme If... COMP

>>79524563
>would you buy a COMP in SMT1's style?

You have my money and my dick hard.

>>79524563
>20XX
>not running the DSP on your smartphone

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>>79524563
Yeah, but I think the one eyepiece is a bit silly.

>>79525310
But augmented reality!

>>79524563
I would buy it the second I knew about it.

>>79525310
cyberpunk or dead.

also

is the patch V1.1 of Kyuuyaku in the pastebin the most updated?

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I want to fuck Mirai

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>>79525310
Alright, joking aside, I'm tossing out the idea because although the military would eat up a durable super-tablet, I'm trying to figure out the potential apps it could run as a civilian/law enforcement device - I have the specs worked out, just solidifying the idea. So, basically:

>on-the-fly translation program, using a mic to sample language for a fitting dictionary
>AI intelligent enough to get basic conversation
>always-on wireless net (likely 4G for now) and GPS
>either singular LCD screen in the shape of a monacle that's shockproof, or more transparent (but frail) like google glasses
>battery and barebones PC connected via fanny-pack
>bluetooth connection for keyboard, for acting as an input device to any programmable device (possibly micro-drone surveillance, needs extended range)
>everything a smartphone can do
>mouse interface either shrunk to a nub on the wrist, or track hands via Google tech

>this will not be the theme of Persona 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikMlVAt-w84

You know, I kind of wonder what Coordinate 136's actual purpose was. I mean, the pre-recorded messages pretty much entirely spoil the whole real heat-real serph confrontation as well as the reason the real world became a hell hole, so it makes me wonder.
Is it just an artifact of Sera's own little virtual retreat that she created, before Colonel Beck saw the potential military application?

>>79526696
>on-the-fly translation program, using a mic to sample language for a fitting dictionary
>AI intelligent enough to get basic conversation

Good luck with that.

>battery and barebones PC connected via fanny-pack

so 90s

>>79526909
>Is it just an artifact of Sera's own little virtual retreat that she created, before Colonel Beck saw the potential military application?

yes, same deal with the cruise ship which is why she got so flustered when they planned to blow it up

>>79527023
Nigga if it can summon demons it can get a basic conversation.

>>79527023
thank you CRAFT

>>79527446
But the AI doesn't summon demons.

>>79527213
I thought so. Also makes me think that the Brutes base is the same kind of thing, since it's the only one that's not some kind of military installation.

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>>79526696
For the demographic, this is obviously going to be /g/-tier, and gonna be tough to make work offline, which will double the price to absurd levels for always-on service. So, unless you're an engineer/comp sci sci and make it a general hacking tool, this shit will not be a toy to fuck with. But if the battery goes out, eh, you can shield your eyes with the shockproof monocle instead of Google-fucking-glass.

>>79527023
Have you read how /g/ tore apart Google glasses just for low battery life? Separating the components into "tower" and "power supply" would help tremendously to suit the buyer's needs. Don't need the horsepower of the i7 you can shove down there? Get a TDP-conservative processor. Hate the battery life? Get a bigger battery. Hate the weight you carry? Shrink the battery. There's probably going to be variable models for the eyewear too, so you can choose between glasses/goggles and the monacle.

Maybe in a few years when they finally realize that constantly making new cellphone will run resources dry to the point where they can't make small phones anymore, we'll finally get Arm Terminals

Did they ever figure out that new material that allows batteries to charge to full power in literally 5-10 seconds?

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>>79527618
Guys, we need to find the demons first. That said, if enough research goes into the apps and this goes beyond cosplay novelty, I'm hoping to develop software that can crack cyphers, if we get past the point where you can talk to any human native. Therefore, if you give it an alien/demon, talk with it enough and it'll understand basic words, which it'll use for an on-the-fly dictionary. Like I said, I'm expecting this to take a lot of horsepower, so no wimpy ARM shit.

If I'm blowing smoke up my ass, I can at least build an AR-centered console, which I can sell to Nintendo. Win-win.

>>79526696
...gonna be in 2 years?

sophomore in undergrad?

A wrist comp is kind of worthless for military or security use if it impedes the wrist in any way

if it was something that went on your back or was thin enough for a band, and recorded biometrics or something useful, maybe for research, maybe you could get somewhere

or if you hacked together something with raspi and sold it to people who are really into that aesthetic or japan

you could even fuck with the OS to make it like DDS
http://www.smt-dds.net/

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What's your favorite non-boss battle theme?

Incoming top tier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCuOjfyUHnA

>>79526696
please make it an OLED screen

>>79528465
Does BABYBABYBABY count?

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Oh what is going on in this thr-

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>>79528358
oh gosh you're nuts

call beadman, and go study

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>>79528465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klyRHf41pbw

>>79528465
Amala Labyrinth battle theme, by far. So good.

>>79525141
What are you, stupid? Enjoy your viruses, dumbass.

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>>79528636
But imagine, COMPanon and beadman team up, and they collectively become STEVEN and give us the DSP. (or something)

>>79528829
and raidou guy saves us from the demon invasion with his impenetrable autism.

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>>79528892
Uh, no. That's kind of pathetic.

>>79528465
you just posted it

>>79528829
>beadman
No, fuck that. Fuck off.

>>79528449
Yeah, currently my first year as a transfer to state college. Haven't really been ambitious with E.E. yet, just know the basics - but if something like this can convince other turbonerds to work with me unlike my other vidya-esque projects I have a decent shot at making an invention to patent.

Anyways, I've done some research into micro-keyboards, and found the frogpad. It's short enough to fit on your arm without obstructing your wrist, while having all the essential buttons without resorting to touch screens (trackpads can go underneath the keyboard). And while we're at it, I guess a biometric sensor can be fitted to the temples and the lower wrists to keep track of blood pressure and sweat.

If it goes nowhere, Raspi is definitely feasible. I've almost thought of making a handheld console with Raspi, so as a gimmick it could do well enough to be a one-off that nerds can mod into what they want - after that, all I'd need are royalties.

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>>79528465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv3rtPD0C-s

why are the soundtracks to the DDS games so based

>>79529109
You doubt his power, faggot? The cape isn't for show you little bitch.

>>79530413
>It must've been so much fun, jamming out all the Nocturne and DDS themes for the games. I'm jealous as hell.

>>79531574
>suddenly greentext
Dude what

>>79531574
I wonder what sort of tone Meguro's going to do for P5's soundtrack.

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>>79531574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjOVPirMKXo

>>79531797
j-pop

>>79531797
Hopefully not >>79531878. J-pop gets extremely tiring very quickly.

>>79532074
Well it'll probably be similar to P1P/P3/P4 in some ways, but different in others. It'd be nice if we got a few less vocal tracks for once, since P4 had a ton.

>>79531797
k-pop

>>79532240
I want another game with tons of electric guitar similar to DDS.

>>79532431
best game

>>79532240
I think I'd vastly prefer a soundtrack similar to P1/2, to be honest. Or just go all out and give us nothing but rockin' guitar riffs. But I doubt something that great would happen because you gotta pander to those filthy otaku, and we all know they dig the j-pop.

>>79532541
Who will save us from our bloody destiny?

>>79532541
How about more hip-hop like with P3? I mean, it's supposed to be darker like P3 was.

>>79532331
>Meguro will never compose for another non-Persona game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zle-RdHmlDg

>>79532607
Nobody, let it die.

>>79532629
If it's as chilled out as stuff like the Iwatodai Dorm theme? Hell yeah.

>>79532629
Hopefully it doesn't involve as much ham-fisted anime drama as P3

>>79532607
best P1P song

>>79532779
And hopefully no shitty characters like P4.

oh gods how I hope

>>79532867
HAHA NOPE ENJOY YOUR EVEN MORE DIMENSIONAL CARDBOARD CUTOUT COCKSLEEVES FOR THE SUPER UNIQUE AND POWERFUL MC THAT TRAVELLED TO THE GAME'S LOCATION BY TRAIN AGAIN

>>79532867
Expect P4 characters but not* P4 characters, but it should a bit better hopefully

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OHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHO

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>>79532950
It looked more like he was commuting to the city centre from wherever he lived than moving to a new place.

>>79532629
>>79532541
It could be darker at least. Aoki's dead so there's no chance of it being like P1, but Meguro let Konishi and Kitajoh do more for the PQ soundtrack so maybe it'll be more diverse.

>>79531797
I hope maken x style.

>>79532950
maybe the P5 MC will make mistakes and have people that don't like him

>>79532632
It's very sad, some of his DDS stuff was really unique:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItgX568GoJY

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>>79532867
I'm still waiting for another SMT game to get me to care about the characters as much as DDS did.

>>79533230
I suppose that in the end, all we can do is wait and see how things will unfold. As much as I disliked most of P3 and P4's soundtracks, they definitely did fit their various contexts quite well.

>>79533230
meguro looks like spooky

>>79533509
I'd love a spiritual successor to DDS. Similar to mainline but more story and character driven and well-directed fully voiced cutscenes

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I'm a little over halfway done with Nocturne as the second SMT game I've played, I'm thinking of moving on to either the Raidou games or Digital Devil Saga. Which one would you guys recommend first?

>>79533748
I'd say Raidou just for a change of pace before DDS since the latter is pretty similar to Nocturne. Raidou vs. The Soulless Army is pretty rough though so you may just want to skip to King Abaddon

>>79533748
The Raidou games are ARPGs, but the first one's a little bit clunky. Great game, just a little clunky.
DDS is pretty much a continuation of Nocturne, mechanics-wise. Takes the press-turn system and polishes it to a fine shine.

>>79533714
What if they got Yu Godai back in to write for this spiritual sequel?

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>>79533748
Depends on what you want. DDS1&2 are personally my favorite DDS games so I'd recommend them. Both series have pretty different gameplay elements from the main SMT games.

>>79534079
Why would you upload this when it's literally in the OP?

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>>79534079
>DDS1&2 are personally my favorite DDS games

>>79534174
like, man, that's ALL the way up there

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>>79534079
>>79533924
>>79533870
Thanks for the responses, I think I'll end up going with DDS first, since I already started out the series on from what I can tell is a pretty odd note (DeSu Overclocked).

>>79534237
Maybe anon came from the far future, where DDS3/4 were released.

>>79534079
My only gripe with this chart would be that Nocturne is probably a better entry point for SMT in general than DDS. At least I figure that's what it's for, since P3 is also at the top.

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>>79534237

>>79534352
I think the idea is to ease people into the series since DDS is a bit more of a traditional JRPG than Nocturne

>>79534352
I think it might be because DDS is closer to standard JRPGs than something like Nocturne, and most people who want to get into SMT have likely played other JRPGs before.

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>>79534237
>he doesn't know about digitaru debiru sutorii

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>>79533504
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9uUD60LS38

This song still moves me.

Do you want to fight this love, /smtg/?

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>>79535224
Sure. I mean, how dangerous can it be?

>>79535224
Depends, how dangerous can it be?

>>79535361
was anyone else disappointed that DDS never had any violent devouring scenes?

>>79535520
Did you simply not watch the opening cutscene of DDS1 or something? Y'know, the cutscene where everyone forcibly transforms, goes berserk and eats EVERYTHING? I mean, you even see Serph chewing on a chunk of bloody meat at the end.

>>79535520
The novel's got you covered on that end.

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>>79536041
>mfw reading the bit in the solid's base where heat tears a nue in half over his heads and practically bathes in the gore before chowing down
I mean holy shit.

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>>79536732
Dammit. Now I want it even more.

>>79537841
Do it. It's cheap and a good read, and the more copies are sold the more likely we are to get the rest of the volumes.

>>79536732
>your hardcover copy has not arrived

Suffering ;__;

>>79538173
That's the problem. I won't be able to buy it for several weeks and I'll have to wait for it to be delivered as well.

>>79538245
>>79538254
I know the feeling. It took about a month for my hardcover copy to arrive, but I ordered it as soon as they were available pretty much.

>>79538173
>videogame book
>good read

>>79538450
Can you post a pic of the hardcover edition? 25 bucks seems pricey

>>79538509
Think of it as the uncut version of the story that inspired a video game.

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>>79538681
>"Heat, stop," Argilla pleaded. "We can't just EAT people! It isn't right!" Heat took a big bite and then smiled a bloody smile. "lol rekt."
>mfw QDS translator is browsing this thread
Hi

>>79538509
The first Guild Wars 2 book was pretty okay.

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>>79538681
Think of it as more of an alternate tale of the game.

Like Devil Children Red/Black and its first anime.

>>79538509
go back to /lit/ fagget.

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>>79538624
That I can.

>>79538509
Don't knock it till you try it, man. Don't forget, the story in the games is not what we were originally gonna get. QDS is the original version.

>>79539137
From what some other anon mentioned in a past thread Jinana survives going berserk, something else killed the Wolves and it wasn't the Brutes, and Lupa might be the reincarnation of Serph and Heat's old tribe leader.

I was wondering: how chaotic does things get? The game had a sort of soft law and chaos thing going on with everyone being machines working on logic in the Junkyard until the atma virus spreads and then emotions and chaos begins to stir.

>>79539137
>the jellyness is killing me

I CANT FIGHT THIS LOVE ;_______;

>>79539424
>how chaotic does things get?
Here's some food for thought: Gale is a special kind of person in the Junkyard, known as a Bishop. Bishops are the tacticians and are born with all kinds of special shit, as well as specific conditioning. The Atma virus directly contradicts Bishop conditioning to the point where it drives most of the Bishops to madness or suicide, due to the fact that it brings up emotions and makes people act like...well, people. Bishops pretty much are machines, actually. Hell, even Gale's becoming somewhat unhinged due to the conflict between his Atma and his Bishop conditioning.

But yes, Jinana survives going berserk thanks to a liberal dosage of Sera's blood, the Brutes did not kill the Wolves and Lupa may indeed be Serph's old Tribe boss reincarnated. Signs certainly point to it.

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>>79539832
Wanted to be sure since I added these details to the wiki.

Reading the first chapter on BentoBooks only satiated some of my hunger.

Speaking of DDS, why was Demifiend in the Junkyard anyway?

>>79540589
It wasn't him, it was just his combat data. This means that DDS comes after Nocturne in the timeline (for whatever that's worth)

>>79535224
guys I'm sorry for being new but

what does this mean

>>79540706
Not necessarily. Data could have traveled from Nocturnes world to the past of DDS. Travel between worlds is incredibly flimsy, especially when it also grants the ability to travel through time.

>>79541000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHJbE_kfybs

>>79541000
that your ass is now mine.

>>79541075
Yeah, which is why I said for whatever it's worth. Either way, it's not actually Demi-Fiend, just some of his data. I think it's safe to assume that the real demi fiend would be stronger

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>>79541193
Hey tough guy, I saw him first.

So the cat was Serph all along right

what the fuck was he doing in the first game

>>79541905
Guiding them. He lead Cielo to leave his post if I remember right.

>>79541905
No no no, the cat was Seraph from another universe, which I guess kind of counts as Serph maybe.

>>79541905
it wasn't

Schrodinger was like, a parallel Seraph. Don't think too much into it

>>79541905

There's not really a "soul" as western religion and media would lead you to conceptualize it in Hindu/Buddhism.

>>79541704

Given that there can be multiple Demi-fiends, there's no reason to think that it isn't a real demi-fiend.

>>79542748
>Given that there can be multiple Demi-fiends, there's no reason to think that it isn't a real demi-fiend.

It could be A demi fiend but it's not THE demi fiend

>>79542918
THE Demifiend is a weak ass punk ass bitch that got raped by the first preta.

>>79543630
>i am THE scrub

>>79543630
Maybe YOUR Demi-fiend was a punk-ass bitch.

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Somehow Adachi and Marie got not-Kyouji and Hitomi/Nemissa colors but Atlus and Arcsys missed the chance to add more references.

>>79544621
There's still 3 more palettes to come, 27, 28 and 29.

>>79544621
Why do they have to pair up the best party member with one of the worst?

>>79544621
Why's he wearing a hoodie?

>>79546014
it's ken's old one

>>79544621
He looks like Ben 10. Especially with that recolored school emblem.

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>>79544621
They already missed the boat on giving Katsuya to Naoto earlier and instead gave that to Adachi in Ultimax, so don't expect them to be smart about it.

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>Went from Nocturne to SMTIV
>Sukukaja and Sukunda now do absolutely nothing

I don't even know if they kept the "2 turns are lost if you miss/they dodge" thing and I'm 8 hours into the game. Nothing has missed 8 hours into the game. 3 Sukukaja and 3 Sukunda? Nothing. The part where it says evasion boosted must be a bug.

>>79546760
I don't see a problem with that, they gave the color scheme of a detective to another detective instead of to a parrot.

Seems to me DDS is Nocturne with human party members and a focus on Hindu and Buddhist myth. If thay's true, it sounds pretty cool.

>>79547770

There's some changes to balance in the press turn system but that's otherwise pretty much what's going on there. Also, combo skills.

>>79547514
You do miss two turns. And i think you miss all your turns if something is reflected.

>>79547514
It's not a very good game. I got to Lilith in that game and just quit. That design. Was the final straw.

>>79548927
>not finishing your plate
You sound like a casual.

>>79549020
>I'll eat shit no matter the quantity or the quality
No. I just don't like playing bad games. Especially when they are boring and trivially luck based.

>>79549136
>smtiv
>bad
>boring
>luck based

Shit taste.

Daily reminder that smirking is gay.

>>79549136
>trivially
I don't think you understand what the word "trivial" means. If luck plays a large part in one's success, then it's the total opposite of "trivial". Something cannot be "trivially" luck based.
What the fuck happened to 4chan? Since when has it been okay to just grab random words and use them so wrongly?

>>79549518
literally

>>79550176
epic

>>79550420
disasterrific

>>79550535
awesome

Medigoladyne

>>79549293
>Shit Combat
>autosaving everywhere
>Bad designs
Yeah I'm the one with shit taste.

>>79549518
I meant that the luck makes combat trivial. Did you go first? Yeah you win unless your NPC casts agi on the fucking minotaur than you get wrecked when he kills you with a smirk. This is objectively worse than the random Death spam in Nocturne. At least I could negate that.

>>79521559
>you'll never see SMT if... with a british voice cast
>CORR BLIMEY, SOME WANKER'S GONE AND SUMMONED DEMONS
>OI, GO FUCK THAT HAZAMA CUNT UP, I DON'T WANT TO MISS 12 O BONG PRAYERS
>"I'll join you if you give me a lifestone." "No" "Well bartering with you is a waste of time, innit?"

>>79532431
>those Jack designs
Holy fuck I would kill to have these as unlockable Nemechi style demons in an SMT game.

>side quest where characters report seeing oddly scary versions of Jack demons
>get into a boss fight with a super tough Jack (Bros) Frost, after which a regular Jack Frost appears and shittalks it
>Same with Jack (Br)o' Lantern
>Jack the Ripper is seen but runs the fuck away from actual demons because he's just a serial murderer, he's not prepared to fight ungodly creatures

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>>79552284
Are you saying I'm not scare-hee, ho?

>>79552683
No, you're plenty terrifying. I just like the cheesy "Americanized" appeal the advertisement has.

>>79552683
i want to fuck that frosted ass.

>>79552975
Please don't sexualize Jack Frost.

>>79552975
Please continue to sexualize Jack Frost.

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>>79552975

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Why is Slime so perfect

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>>79553035
why no?
>>79553169
ok.

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>>79553368
I want to fuck a slime

>There will never be an SMT+The Tribe crossover

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy4mFW07PPA

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>>79553960
Would you a Lovecraftian monstrosity, anon?

babby's first vn pls go

>>79555290
While Saya no Uta is still entry level, hasn't Katawa Shoujo replaced it as babby's first VN?

>tfw no nocturne hd remake

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>>79555259
Of course

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>>79528701
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-BA27yWX1o

>>79528736
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoSkvI3wPUc

>>79532607
>>79532753
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xfm-IDo4Eg

>>79534773
Mah nigga. This should be on everyone's list.

>>79556278
>implying atlus will ever make new models instead of just recycling nocturnes, let alone made a nocturne hd

>>79555769
i think KS has too much stigma attached, either for fetishising debilitised girls, for being from 4chan, for having a fanbase two steps away from brony tier, or for just plain shit writing.

babby's first is probably either still fate/stay night, dangan ronpa, homestuck or dogfucker

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>>79555259
Hehehe! I am all the Lovecraft you'll ever want, OR need!
Cthulhu can go get himself turned to sushi for all I care! I AM the real deal!

Now, Son of Man. How do you feel about Jokers?

how strong is seraph compared to aleph and demi-fiend?

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>>79551582
>SMT IV
>autosaving
>anywhere

>>79557160
probably higher than both, I'd say. Seraph is an enlightened being, after already being a data shaman. that puts them on reality warping tier.

It would be bretty cool if the default persona of p5kun was lucifer

They could do a lot with that thematically

>>79557671
too strong

>>79557160
Seraph achieved enlightenment, so I'm fairly certain that puts Seraph on a level above all other SMT protags.

>>79557731
actual cosmic significance has very little to do with a persona's stats and abilities.

plus they could always base the initial lucifer on back before he fell, and was just a cherub of only slight distinction.

>>79557883
>actual cosmic significance has very little to do with a persona's stats and abilities
You mean a lot

>>79557467
I don't know. Demi-fiend destroyed a universe.

>>79557671
It'll either be Christian or Norse mythology so it's a half and half.

>>79559294
>Izanagi was Yu's starting persona

>>79559508
Izanagi is also Yu's ultimate persona.

>>79559391
through brute force, and by killing a cosmic keystone thingy

Seraph got Brahman to fix the sun and the world just by willing it, then made everyone reincarnate at the same time so they could have a second chance to be friends together, including the two beings that Seraph was a composite of, quite possibly without undoing Seraph's own existence (if I remember what Schrodinger said right)

>>79559508
And then he got the massively powered up Izanagi-no-Okami if he played his cards right, just like MC got Orpheus Telos.
Speaking of which, exactly what significance does Orpheus Telos have? I don't recall Orpheus having being a huge deal outside of music prowess.

>>79559748
Actually the only reason they all re-incarnated is because they didn't achieve enlightenment. If the rest of the cast did, they would have joined Seraph.

>>79559906
>Speaking of which, exactly what significance does Orpheus Telos have?
None, besides being great musician
Orpheus Telos isn't MC's ultimate persona

>>79559748
Yes, but he also managed to defeat Lucifier. Seraph got brahman to fix the sun by convincing him. It was less Seraph doing it and more seraph getting brahman a much more powerful being than it to do it instead.

>>79559906
he really isn't compared to a lot of other entities.
Let's see if I remember everything
>Favored by Apollo. They met when Orpheus inadvertently killed one of Apollo's sheep, because he needed some gut to string himself a new lyre. Apollo was so impressed by the music that he stayed his hand.
>Wife died. went to the underworld to rescue her, with the archetypal 'don't turn back till you're out' test. Failed. Renounced all gods but Apollo.
>Traveled the world making music, which often enthralled men like some sort of gay pied piper. Eventually a bunch of jealous wifes got together, killed him and cut off his head. His head just kept singing.

The last part is why his design in Persona is wholly robotic below the neck.

the name 'Orpheus Telos' is wholly unique to the english translation of P3 FES and P3P, unlike Hermes Trismegistis which is an amalgam god of Hermes and Thoth, but as for 'telos itself (from the wiki)
>Telos means "end" in Greek. It also refers to an ultimate purpose or intention in Aristotelian philosophy.

>>79559987
well, yeah, but I mean all of them reincarnating at exactly the same time, as humans of the same sex they were in the previous life, rather than thousands of years apart, as animals, demons, and ghouls of some kind.

>>79560153
Defeating Lucifer implies that the fight was anything but a test of strength and worthiness. That's wrong.

>>79560153
My understanding of the way it's handled in DDS (and, probably, in the rest of MegaTen, but we've only ever seen people with false enlightenment forced upon them in the greater MegaTen verse so that's neither here nor there.)
Enlightenment implies fully realizing your place in the universe, your relation to everything, and your own existence. This included the relationship between humans and gods/demons. All demons exist because humans believe in them, and how they act is dictated by what humans believe. Once you fully understand this process, you can then dictate how any demon acts if the belief you can muster is greater than the belief of all other humans across the cosmos who also believe in that entity. At the top of this hierarchy of demons is the great will, who has many avatars including Brahman and YHVH.

Of course if you're a data shaman, you can just hack the demons quantum source code manually on the fly, and not bother with amassing stupidly huge quantity of belief. As an enlightened data shaman, Seraph can theoretically redefine any demon ever (except the true Nyx)
Of course part of fully understanding a thing is knowing full well what good it brings, and what bad could come about if you fuck around with it willy nilly.

>>79560153
Even fucking Nakajima defeated Lucifer. At this point, the only purpose Lucy serves is to get beaten up and laughed at.

>>79560951
Except Nakajima and Aleph and whatnot only beat Lucifer with powerful demons. DF can do it for free solo

>>79560841
It was my understanding that Brahman was entirely separate from the Great Will, which is why Satan and the Archangels freak out about the DDS world not being their world. Or did I just misunderstand?

>>79561217
*with power borrowed from Masakado

>>79561341
Well most of Lucifer's attacks are almighty anyway, but that's not the point. Point is when people compare feats of DF and other devil summoners, they ignore the fact that latter have to use demons, and individually are far weaker than DF

>>79561297
an aspect of a god can still function as a seemingly distinct entity, with its own personality and motives. In hindu mythology Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva are all aspects of Brahman. Each then have a feminine aspect, who is also their consort, several reincarnations, children, etc etc, all of whom can still be traced back to Brahma, yet are capable of coexisting, interacting, and even conflicting with.

>>79559391

Technically Hikawa is the one who destroyed it. Demi-fiend just prevented it from being fixed by killing the repair-service.

>>79562804
>Demi-fiend just prevented it from being fixed by killing the repair-service
That would be DE. In TDE he actually destroys everything that was supposed to be fixed

>>79562964

No. I was referring to kagutsuchi as the repair service. The universe was already dead. It transforms into an egg with kagutsuchi at its core in order to grow a new one. The vortex world ends when kagutsuchi dies. Something that is meant to happen in every vortex world. Killing it wasn't as impressive as it sounds. Which is why lucifer sent him to do it not just as a task about that specific world, but also as a test of strength.

>>79557467

The question is what is enlightenment? Have we seen any other characters that have it? Do any of the demons have it? Is it something that it even makes sense to ask if a demon has? Humans can fuse with demons. What happens when they do that? If Jimenez gets reborn as a full demon would he lose a human chance at enlightenment? Is enlightenment alignment based in any way, or can someone of any alignment make use of it?

>>79563207
In Nocturne they talk about how demons are more or less static, but humans have the power to change. This implies that for most demons enlightenment is impossible. also that when Demi-fiend loses his human heart to become a full demon in TDE that he's forsaking any chance for him to gain enlightened.

If I remember correctly, both Law Hero and Meta Gore claimed to be enlightened, but that was a false enlightenment given to them by mere gods rather than something they obtained through understanding. I suppose you can think of it as the difference between learning by rote and having a fluid understanding of something.

>>79563529
addendum to this. In theory, it's conceivable that just as demi-fiend is capable of gaining the heart of a demon, a demon might be able to gain the heart of a human. this could explain the black frost in DeSu, who became a Black Frost after awakening to justice and love, when normally a Jack Frost becomes a Black Frost when it reconnects with its own capacity for evil

>>79563826
>a demon gaining a human heart
Now THAT is an interesting concept.

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Talk to Pascal?

I have a feeling that SMT x FE will be either:

1. FE characters from different games in modern Tokyo with demons and no Megaten characters other than maybe Steven and some classic NPCs like RAG;
2. All new cast that consists of obligatory FE archetypes in modern Tokyo with demons.

Basically, I don't expect to see all those SMT people they showed in the teaser.

>>79564857
I don't expect us to actually see anything of the game. Ever.

>>79564857
I just really hope we get some info on it soon, or maybe some screens or even a gameplay trailer.

>>79563529

Arguably, maybe all enlightenment is a false enlightenment. Maybe that's the point. The high ranking main demons (belial claims this in iv) see the world from a point of view where everything is clear and obvious. And so enlightenment is synonymous with thinking you now see the world from a perspective such as this. Any version of which will still have some limitations. What the more advanced demons have is what humans who follow those alignments in many cases are trying to get. Gaians are trying to become full ubermensch. Messians (the ones who are doing more than just kissing ass anyways) are trying to fully give up the self. Gore thinks he fully achieved internal balance. The point could simply be that enlightenment is not a metaphysical state of finality in the way some things idealistically view it. Its simply fully actualizing into a specific outlook.

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Poorfags who use ebay rejoice. Paypal is giving away $5 off coupons for free that last from now until october, and since I'm nice I wanted to share it with you. Use it to get a discounts on some games. Note that if you're using Firefox it'll show you when you open it that its a verified site with the paypal company.

https://www.paypal-activate.com/clac/eml-na-dt

>>79565145
Don't Atlus celebrate their 25th anniversary in November? I expect some kind of event.

>>79565486
oh, it's just one of those pyramid scheme things built to rope more people into joining paypal

>>79566102

Of course it is. People don't give away money for no reason. The point is that if you're already on paypal it amounts to free money for you.

>>79564417
Anybody here have some nice art of Pascal?

In SMT IV, for a dex build I should only raise Dex, Agi and Luck, right?

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>>79567962

>>79568684
Porskil da dag is heer

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>>79567962

>>79564857
I wonder if it'll actually give the smt characters some kind of personality.
I mean, what would DF and Flynn act like?

>>79570646
Demi Fiend would probably act like a more socially adept chaos hero. Flynn will probably end up like Chrom, 'people's champion', oblivious, and doesn't really notice how despite all talks of people needing to get along violence is his go-to solution for most problems

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>>79570646
it'd be kinda neat if Demi-Fiend went off the reset end, and worked like a manekete. that is, he appears as his normal hoodie self most of the time, and in battle he uses an equipped magatama to transform into his demon body

>>79571478
What is this comic and where is the rest of it?
Because YHVHdamnit this is good, and I need MORE!

>>79572035
it's called Amala Midnight. a few other pages are here. don't know if a full digital version is available though.
http://personasama.tumblr.com/post/39554250089/black-i-made-a-60-page-megaten-fanbook-for-anime

>>79572215
Many thanks.

>>79571045
I could see flynn being something like that, or that he's obsessed with selling anything interesting.

>>79572818
>this is a rare and powerful artifact said to be able to turn the tides of any battle
>can we use it?
>not us, only those of the chosen bloodline can wield its power
>Fuck it, pawn the thing and put the money into my 'shiny new outfit' fund.

>>79573031
Flynn must be strong as shit considering he fights with like, 11 can openers, 7 towels, 8 vibrators, and upwards of 8 tv monitors in his backpack at all times.

>>79571045

>chrom

I loved how the game pretended he was important, yet he was totally sidelined by your characer.

>>79556834
>homestuck

is this a fucking joke
dont care that garbage a vn

>>79573370
>not making your demons carry your mystic relics

>>79564417
god smt1 is so great

>>79570646
Oh god I didn't even think of that. My bets are like that other anon said and they dont appear.

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>tips fedora.

I love how in yuzu's ending you more or less call out that to get rid of god, he was going to give power to a literal god of evil who doesn't even PRETEND to have good intentions, and says he's a mad / raging / violent god, and calls humans "refuse." And he doesn't really have a response. He just wanders away and hopes you win since he realizes his plan was retarded to begin with.

>>79575090

Actually, that's a good point. Does amane even show up in yuzu's eigth day ending?

>>79571478
>tfw Demifiend would fuck Tamaki

>>79568406
Yeah.

>>79576778
I'd fuck Tamaki

>>79574248
you came here five hours later just to say that, rabbit?

Check out how sweet the SMT II battle theme sounds at half speed

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0HsKZRi39wh

It sounds better if you do it in game by setting your emulator to half speed

>>79524563
should say devil summoning instead of demon recruiting

So is the concept of Personas a direct reference to Stands from JoJo? Or is it just a coincidence?

>>79577162
That does sound kind of cool.

>>79577560
The concept is most definitely not, but the way they're summoned and how they act probably is, especially the further into the series we get.

You're lucky you didn't ask this question on /pg/, by the way. You would've inadvertently generated about 40 posts of pure garbage.

>>79577823
Because that IS what "/pg/" stands for:

"/puregarbage/" (TM)

Amirite?

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>>79578259

>>79577101
Back in the closet, Tadashi!

>>79575353
The angels planned on murdering her so the government took her into custody.

>>79575090
The man did believe that the only way to oppose God was to use something that could rival him.

>>79561562
That doesn't make him an avatar of the Great Will. He is the God of DDS, but he is not YHVH or the Great Will.

The Angels do not serve him, and they serve avatars of YHVH and the Great Will. Even an NPC in Nocturne mentions that Metatron is the voice of the universe in Nocturne.

They are similar, but they are not the same thing. Just as Polaris is not YHVH, nor is the North Stars who come before or after him.

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I wish smt had more references to pop culture. TFW you will never be able to summon the spider

SMT I ported to android when?

>>79578917
It has as many as it needs. Like Joker escaping Gotham by hanging out in Tokyo.

>>79577142
I was asleep.

>caring about time stamps

>>79578934
Never.

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>>79577101
>fucking your waifu
>not cuddling while listenning to the persona 3 soundtrack
disgusting

>change Javelin Rain into Fog Breath
Y or N?

>>79579759
Yes

>>79579759
of course anon-kun

>>79579759
Depends. Is the demon any good in STR or not?

>TS4
>trying to create megaten protags
>dat lack of custumization

>>79583130
Better go to AA2, mate.

Are the Jack Frost mugs still for sale?

How much do they go for and where can I buy one?

>Those retards on /pg/ who think Personas are based on JoJo

>>79583330
they are inspired by it

>>79583536
They aren't.
See Carl Gustav Jung and play SMT If... and Persona 1.
Faggot.

>>79583592
>Play Persona 1

Why would you say this to anyone?

>>79583536
The summoning scene in P3 is inspired by Jotaro's introduction in part 3. Strange Journey is chock full of JoJos references. Personas themselves are not inspired by JoJos.

>>79583753
Get the hee-hell out.

>>79583829
It's shit. You're shit for liking it.

>>79583753
Persona 1 is an amazing first person dungeon crawler, and it will be the best persona game by far when canzah releases the music patch