/smtg/ Shin Megami Tensei General

First for Alice

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEtRzDYYBuY

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How's that KMT playthrough going?

>>79074156
I miss when threads would get 900+ posts before a new one.

>>79074304
I miss 1000 post bump limit.

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>>79074304
Yeah, I remember quite a few 1200+ posts threads even after they changed the bump limit to 750

>>79074296
I'm in Infini. I just want it to end.

>>79067683
Well, any luck?

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Break Record When?

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>>79074304
Too many threads on /vg/ now, I guess.
>>79074646
I'm seriously starting to think they've canceled it now. How long has it even been? A year or something?

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>>79073921
I needed the other stats to make her an Idol.
/smtg/ could've been a furry idol, they have higher base STR.

>>79074784
>Too many threads on /vg/ now, I guess.
I guess so. We used to have only 5 pages not too long ago.

>>79074296
Defeated Medusa with a party that dealt 4 dmg per hit. The Boss had 300 HP.

Yeah...no. NO MORE KMT for today, that was ridiculous. I really hope I find a MUCH better way when I make my second playthrough.

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>>79074646
First you must break a record and offer it to the stars. Then you must sacrifice a virgin who carries your blood.

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I want to fuck Mirai

>>79074816
>he likes games with mediocre combat that use the same map for ages and have no story

I added back the Recommended Pastebin, I hope I did good.

>>79075365
Yeah, sure, whatever.

>>79075365
Reading*

>>79075212
>Caring about story in a dungeon crawler.

It's not like SMT has a good storyline.

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>>79075183
Disgusting. How dare you have such disgusting thoughts about Lucifer-sama's child!

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>>79075632
I want to fuck Lucifer

>>79075579
>there will never be a game where Law and Chaos will both be attractive and satisfying, and Neutral will have an actual argument against it besides "neutrality is boring, lol"

>>79074258
this is perfect

>>79076025
you mean Devil Survivor?

>>79075867
I want Lucy to be a husbando again

EVERYONE DANCE

THIS IS A DANCING THREAD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5uT7fas-WE

>>79076250
can you imagine the step? he's genius!

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>>79076382
WE HAVE TO DANCE

>>79075579
except it does, it just leaves a lot to the imagination
i would imagine that playing smt 1 back when it came out would be mind blowing.

>>79076167
I don't like SRPGs anymore

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>>79076474

What are the differences between Law /smtg/, Neutral /smtg/ and Chaos /smtg/?
Is Chaos the land of shitposters?

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>>79076474

>>79076910
All are filled with shitposters, in chaos nobody stops them, in law they are allowed to coexist with each other, and neutral everybody ignores it.

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>>79076910
Neutral is what you see now. Chaos is shitposting all day. We've experienced this a few times. Law /smtg/ would obviously be a perfect place for discussing SMT in the most productive and respectful manner possible.

Is Infini good? The Sea of Flames is really beating down my will to continue.

Booru anon here. I made a thing about tagging. Maybe it'll help or something.

http://smtg.booru.org/index.php?page=forum&s=view&id=1

>>79076250
Can someone Webm that video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gu6mz3Hp7k

>>79077396
i don't really want to sign up for it so i'll post here
should posts be tagged with the artist as well?

>>79077396
dang I was spelling demifiend as all one word

>>79077494
>Persona 5 theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI8GcdW5AeA

>>79077396
is there a way to add tags en masse?

>>79078223
ooooh, good point. Yeah, if you know the artist name, then definitely add it.

>>79078262
it's okay, i'll add aliases so that either way they'll show up. it's just easy if we stick to 1 tag.

So did anyone check for that track in P1P...?

>>79078363
I don't think so anon. The mass uploader automatically tags things based on the file name, but you'd have to go through your images and rename them before uploading them.

>Looking at the map of Kyuuyaku Tensei.

This gonna be fucking fun.
My question is this game about a Wurld of Luck or world of Strenf?

>>79078672
St.

>>79077156
In law /smtg/ you're only allowed to discuss the numbered mainline titles.

>>79078262
Balls, if I add the aliases, it ignore the original tag. So if I set it so that searching "demifiend" shows all images tagged with "demi-fiend", all images tagged with "demifiend" won't show up. Since there are less images with "demi-fiend", we'll just use "demifiend" as the default.

>>79078289
>not Breaking the Chie's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4CSG5EXQbA

>>79078369
There's some pictures on there that were draw by people here. Should a collective 'drawfags' tag be made for those ones?

>>79081948
Don't see why not.

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Am I too late for the dancing?

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>>79082834
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8vVN0GmPGg

>>79083137
can someone post the Dancing All Night .gif stylized like SMT2

>Devil's Peak 6F
So far, nothing.

>>79083313
So you only confirmed that Devil's Peak is bgm36. Now search the entire fucking game for that track I replaced then.

>>79077156
>>79079096

If you think about the /smtg/ /pg/ separation in terms of separating the wheat from the shitposters maybe we're already in a permanent law state

>>79084086
Nah.

>>79084320

yeah not even a wurld of neutral would want to put up with them

>there is never going to be a light gun SMT
>or a danmaku SMT
>or another mainline SMT for the matter

;____________;

>>79084086
That'd make us more like Mikado. We tried to put ourselves apart but we're still corrupted by shitposting

>>79084854
Just imagine, Touhou x SMT

>>79084854
>there will never be a platinum game starring demifiend

>>79085158
>you will never play Flynn vs. Raidou in an SMT fighting game

>>79084854

Sure there will be another mainline SMT game.

Just wait 11 years.

>>79085295
That's not being fair to Strange Journey

>>79085335

True enough since it was developed as IV originally, but didn't technically count since it wasn't in tokyo.

So we'll just have to wait 6 years.

>>79085256
This is something I started wishing for when they made the arena games, I wanted them to make one with characters from every game, say on representative from each game, the four persona games, all devil summoner, all SMT mainline, everyone together, Demi-Fiend vs Space Marine, story be damned

>>79085463

Someday anon, it's never going to happen.

>>79074061
Poor Heat, all but forgotten by the final part of DDS2.

Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what indicates the order you have to put the orbs in to free Izanami? I think I'm going to just save state and try everything cause I just want to get out of this fucking dungeon.

>>79085785
good

he was a bitch ass nigga in DDS2

Do you like Serph's ass?

>>79086218
He had reason there about this, its not really his fault that the real personality of Serph didn't imprint on our Serph

>>79086218
What, just because he wanted to kill us?

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>>79086320
Maybe.

I want to fuck Gale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzKNAN0qzoE

Does this play on all endings?

>>79086558
No, just Neutral.

>>79086526
No, you do not.

>>79086641
but I do

for a series with such a huge universe you would think they one of them would try exploring it

space SMT when

>>79086348
>>79086393

Don't get me wrong, his personality in DDS1 was fine. Some might even say good. But in DDS2 you spend the first quarter trying to find him and the second and third quarters fighting against him. It's pretty senseless.

And don't get me started on the EXTREMELY half-assed secret Heat as a party member thing

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>>79086641

I have Rick's Bracelet but when I reached into the urn in the Sea of Flames I got nothing. What gives?

>>79086810

you're wrong on pretty much all accounts

>>79087073
No I'm not. In DDS1 he was an ally who kind of had a rivalry thing with Serph but begrudgingly went along with your plans for Sera's sake.

In DDS2 he's straight up antagonistic, EVEN when you have Sera in your party. It's dumb.

>>79086810
It's not senseless at all, really. The game had been hinting at mounting tensions between Serph and Heat since around Coordinate 136 in DDS1, so it's not like it came out of nowhere or anything. I mean, its entirely likely that they still would have eventually fought to the death even if Heat wasn't taken in by Madam Cuvier, since they would've all discovered the truth at some point anyway.

As for the secret party member thing, what was so half-assed about it?

>>79087234
isn't that because he was told how fucked up serph used to be

>>79087398
That and he'd mutated horribly because of the corrupt data in the EGG.

>>79087398

Yeah when you beat Vritra and Serph comes back Heat tells him he'll settle things with Serph where it all began and you meet him where Real heal died

I haven't played the games, but in the novel, Heat constantly undermines Serph to the point that I'm not surprised his game counterpart is at odds with him.

>>79087398
Yeah but it's kind of hypocritical and pointless because

a. The Serph that he knows isn't even the "real" Serph
b. he's just data too

I mean, I can get hating the OG serph, but the Serph in DDS2 is different.

>>79087373
>As for the secret party member thing, what was so half-assed about it?

He doesn't have his own Mantra progression (he just inherits Roland's) and he has nothing special going for him at all, not even any unique abilities or anything. In the US version his VA isn't even translated; he speaks Japanese.

>>79087594
Heat's not a real logical person. He reacts to thing emotionally, which is why I don't have any trouble believing that he would conflate the two Serphs in his mind.

>>79087594

Actually it's kind of weird that you don't bump into the Solar data of Real Serph and Heat. Maybe Real heat could've given him a special move for the finale.

>>79087594
Well yeah, he inherited Roland's grid because Roland was designed to be Heat's stand-in in combat. Started off with different stats, but as soon as you got some levels into him it was obvious that they shared stat growths.
As for the VA thing, that's a valid point and I'm not sure what happened there. He only has what, two lines in combat? Maybe they just...forgot.

>>79087895
What about the battle with True Varna and False Varna?

>>79087810
Heat is kind of a lunkhead, isn't he

>>79087990

Well I mean as NPCs in the sun or something.

>>79088094
That's what makes him endearing!

>>79087929
Either way his addition as a party member is pretty pointless since he's essentially a Roland reskin with different weaknesses.

>>79088236
He benefits more from the Hee-ho Ring, that's the main thing.

>>79088236
Roland's avatar was always pretty cool.

It's kind of a shame you can't have both Heat and Roland.

>>79088236
Or it could be argued that Roland is a Heat reskin, since Heat came first.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that he's totally pointless though, since what if Heat was one of your primary party members in DDS1? Wouldn't it be nice to get the old team back together for the final fight?

>>79088640
Serph, Heat, and Argilla will always be my A team

>>79088740
>serph

disgusting.

>>79088639
>tfw no agni and indra duo to wreck shit with

>>79088954
I used Serph, Argilla, and Cielo

Is anyone else using savestates with Kyuuyaku at points or am I just a horrible scrub? My patience is wearing thin with some of this shit.

This week my university is having a Cultural Awakening Week and today there was a Japanese picnic. I learned about calligraphy and listened to Japanese music. It was like I'm really in a Purseowner game.

>>79089232
you are a horrible scrub.
>>79089256
i hope you die of eboladyne

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Just finished my first SMT game, Nocturne. It's hands-down the best RPG I've ever played.

But I'm afraid the series doesn't get better than this... Is there any SMT which is better than Nocturne?

>>79089148
>not using everyone equally

>>79089256
I'm super jealous of Japanese high schools for having such elaborate cultural festivals

like we had "Field Day" and shit but it was so half-assed and stopped by 6th grade

>>79089256
Did you call your classmates senpai and make a kimono with them?

>>79089256
That sounds awful. Did somebody call you senpai?

>>79089256
were there any cute girls there?

>>79089256
More like you're a faget

>>79089430
try SJ or IV

maybe DDS

>>79089430
Strange Journey, of course.

>>79089430
IV

>>79089430
Sadly no, they're first person dungeon shit with 2d sprites and soundtrack made by someone else. Don't bother with them

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>>79089430
>Is there any SMT which is better than Nocturne?
Play them and judge for yourself

>>79089369

I've only heavily used savestates with the sequence of orbs to free Izanami and currently the teleport shit in Bien cause I don't want to have to walk all the way back through just to take two more steps of progress and get teleported again.

On a scale of 1-10, how much of a scrub am I?

Started playing P3P on my phone because I was tired of waiting for IV after they announced the new PAL release date.

[/spoiler]holy shit, I forgot how jam the soundtrack was.[/spoiler]

Anyways, is Soul Hackers worth picking up? I've already played SMTI/II so I'm not fussed about the datedness. I heard the translation is a bit dodgy though.

>>79089557
>>79089563
>>79089565
Well, I don't really like the way they seem, I really liked nocturne's atmosphere. I don't have a DS or 3DS so I'll probably play DDS next or maybe emulate a DS and play SJ

>>79089602
Shit man, are you even serious? I mean, this is the best soundtrack I've ever seen in a game man, just take a look at this shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u6cMThHc1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwmSNjNYuTo

Also, does anybody know the name of that track that plays when you first encounter the collector manikin? It's like a really goofy track and I fucking love it

>>79089890

I now know that the thing in Bien is just for a special sword so now I feel like shit for cheating it.

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>>79090065
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tETYKtOKk04

>>79090065
IV has atmosphere out the ass.
Smirking is gay, though.

>>79090065
>Shit man, are you even serious? I
I sure hope he isn't. Tons of great songs throughout the franchise.

>>79087594
>a. The Serph that he knows isn't even the "real" Serph

this is a poor understanding of buddhist/hindu reincarnation

>>79090503
it's not reincarnation, it's data

>>79090374
Thank you, fine sir. You are quite the gentleman.

>>79090065
Nocturne has a unique atmosphere even among the SMT series but it's something all of the games excel at. Really, if you like Nocturne I don't see any reason why you wouldn't at least like Digital Devil Saga, SMTIV and Strange Journey.

Also the music is always fucking incredible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NygJDL7MCtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmqjfaebnhI

>>79090550
Your data

>>79090550
How i become a data shaman?

Is there an online course for that?

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>>79090503
>you will never understand eastern theology well enough to fully comprehend DDS

>>79090587
It's not reincarnation though

>>79089921
>Anyways, is Soul Hackers worth picking up?
The setting is my favorite in the series, the gameplay is pretty fast and the characters are enjoyable. If you can find it cheap I'd definitely recommend it (I got it for 30 AUD, which is cheap by Australian standards).

>>79090812
>boring battle system
>first person
>sprites
>didn't age well
>looks old
Yeah, no. Don't do it anon

>>79090556
Wow, that battle theme for DDS really got me on the mood. I think I'll download 1 and 2 from PSN tomorrow.

>>79091071
Don't forget how complex the loyalty system is for modern gamers.

>>79090550

it's literally reincarnation because it's literally a cycle of rebirth

But buddhism teaches the concept of anatman, lack of self. There is no "soul" of an individual, one whole and unchanging core of a being. Every being is a composite of parts, one of those parts being their karma which is what passes from life to life.

>>79086074
That's what I did. If you don't savestate you only get a try every moon phase.

>>79090730
It's funny how most people say DDS2's plot went full retard even though most of it had been hinted at since the very beginning of the first game.
Reincarnation? The constant rain in the Junkyard, literally one of the first things you see in the game. So subtle you don't even register it beyond "oh hey, it's raining".

>>79091151
It's useless because there's no law and chaos alignment. And fusion is fucking awful, demons don't level up.

>>79091172
there is no cycle

the only reason that Serph & Co. actually became real again is because of God and the EGG sending junk data to him

most people don't come back in DDS. only a very, very select few were able to

>>79091268
I think beating up Brahman is still a little absurd

>>79091151
I feel sorry for somebody who's too dumb to understand SH loyalty. I mean the game has a whole vision quest centered around teaching you how it works.

>>79089921
>I heard the translation is a bit dodgy though.
Not really. If that's the only thing you're hesitant about, just get it.

>>79091268

yeah this is basically what's going on in the whole duology. In the junkyard the flow of samsara is represented by the rain and the actual river while in the outer world, which is still data, samsara is data flowing to and from the sun.

>>79091194

Are there no hints? If not then that's just brutal.

>>79091379
What's an SMT game if it doesn't involve a climactic confrontation with some kind of deity? Plus, Divine Identity was an amazing theme.

>>79091354

>no cycle

It's the definition of samsara. Your concept of the junkyard being "fake" and the real world being somehow intrinsically different are probably at the root of how you're looking at it wrong.

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>>79090812
I'm Australian too.

Did you get it through JB Hi Fi? Or did you order it online? Bought Bravely Default and Zelda through my mate who works at EB Games to boost his KPI's, worked out to be $40 and $50 dollars respectively. Ouch.

>>79091410
Oh really? I heard there was chunks of untranslated text and that it was a bit buggy, but if that's not true then I'll definitely get on it.

>>79091472
I didn't find any.

>>79091784
JB Hifi, yeah. The translation has a few slip-ups that are really glaring like the Japanese symbols for Life Stone appearing sometimes but nothing that broke the game for me.

>>79091071
>implying that matters to someone who said he was fine with SMT1/II

>>79091283
SH fusion is my favorite because demons inherit skills, but they also have consistent inheritance rules. So you can fuse to make better demons, but you don't jerk around trying to get a specific combination for hours on end, and you can't just use one demon to carry you to the end.

>>79091283
Demons are tools to be used at your discretion, son of man. They are not your friends.

>>79091408

Doesn't make it a good mechanic.

>>79092071
>inherit skills
>SH
Sure thing bub

>>79092224
You don't know the pain of trying to get a demon to inherit Makakaja because that shit got lower priority than fucking Agi.

>>79092224
But they do inherit skills? If you fuse different demons into the same result, they keep the same basic skills but gain different ones from one of the ingredients.

>>79092187
I'm indifferent towards it. I'm actually surprised at how okay I was with MAG, though.

>>79091784
There are, like, two or three strings of text that are untranslated, but you might not even run into them. A few lines go out of the text box.
There are other bugs though. The most important one, you can avoid, just don't have two files with the same character name (even for NG+) or chests might bug and you'll be unable to progress. The other one is random freezing during attack animations which some people get maybe a couple times a playthrough (many don't get any at all, for whatever reason).

>>79092332
I haven't played Soul Hackers yet but MAG sucked in SMT1 and 2. In 1 it didn't matter at all and in 2 you just had Aleph and Hiroko murder everything until you got to a boss fight

I like the MAG system. SMT IV would have been much better balanced with it.

>>79092449
I was swimming in MAG in SH.

>>79092449
MAG is your money making scheme in SH.

>>79092557
MAG hasn't been a problem in MT1 either

>>79092624
>tfw you crash the MAG economy by the end of the game

>>79092481
I think SMTIV's bizarre difficulty curve might have been at least partially intentional. The difficulty drops when you get to Tokyo because the game opens up a lot and starts to become more about exploration and figuring out where to go instead of navigating one relatively small dungeon, then it ramps up in difficulty towards the end a bit as you narrow in on your final goals. It definitely did need some tweaking though

>>79092632

Guessing you haven't gotten to the Sea of Flames, have you?

>>79092624
Some random drops from demons are pretty valuable too, the dungeon you have to beat for NG+ has a sword that sells for like, 100,000 yen or some shit.

>>79091283
Fuck demons that level up, they're meant to be used and then discarded, they don't have "potential" to be anything greater than they are unless fused off into something else.

>>79092885
Pokemon-style spinoff where you raise lifelong demon friends when

>>79092885
I agree with this. Most players don't bother keeping demons past their skill cap anyways

>>79092821
Yeah but it wasn't really that bad. I had to grind a couple of times to refill MAG but after I found the healer in Sea of Flames I had no problem.

And Infini hands out MAG like condoms at a Planned Parenthood Center.

Am I the only one that keeps track of the fusion line for their starting demons?

>>79093038
Is the anon that fused a ton of endgame-tier skills onto his Angel still around?

>>79093314

yeah

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>>79092357
Sweet, sounds more stable than I thought. I'll buy it this arvo.

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>>79076250
>no SMT II sprites

Do I have to wait until max solar noise to sell plants for max price in DDS2 or can I just sell them whenever?

>>79076621
yeah, most SMT games require imagination but if you got that then the stories are pretty crazy

its easy to distance yourself from whats actually going on the earlier games since its age makes it feel kind of campy

>>79076621
SMT1 was pretty flat for me but I loved SMT2's story

IF WHEN

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>>79093819
You're annoying as those guys in here who constantly go around saying "SMT x Whatever"

>>79085752
I'd do it if I knew how to code

maybe make a smash bros mod for it

>>79093571
Nope, they're safe to sell whenever unlike Cells.

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>>79093705
I don't think the age is the only thing that makes them campy

>>79094056
that design is fucking sweet though

>>79093917
SMT x Persona when?

>>79094056
I want that on a shirt

>>79094197
/fa/ggot.

>>79089232
I use savestates in most of the old megatens since save points are so fucking far between and I REALLY don't like losing progress in games that are a chore to play

KMT lets you continue after death though, so I just powered through it. Only died twice anyways

>>79089430
IMO, Soul Hackers, Strange Journey, SMT II and if... (I speak moonrunes)

Majin Tensei is up there but its too different to really compare to Nocturne. If we're not being pedantic about spinoff vs SMT I thought DDS was just as good a Nocturne

>>79089232

I only use savestates to be a cheating asshole at the gambling minigames.

>>79095837
I wish If... had new ost instead of reusing SMT I and III know about Akira's route but that's for your second playthrough

>>79090065
great soundtracks is pretty much a staple of the megaten series

the only ones that really stand out as being lower quality are the PS1 remakes of the snes songs and strange journey's OST

>>79090360
what thing in Bien?

>>79091095
DON'T

a laptop from 2005 could emulate those games better than the ps3 versions

>>79096154
The Sword you get for using the demon in the jar to get to the warp puzzle on the 4F

>>79091071
fag

Is persona 5 personas being turds?

>>79096274

having at one point attempted to emulate them on a laptop from 2008 I think this is a slight exaggeration

>>79092357
freeze only happens if nemissa casts bufu on a specific demon (can't remember which, but it reflects ice) while wearing reflect ice clothes. it only freezes if the reflected damage is enough to kill nemissa AND the demon. many don't get it since not everyone gives nemissa ice skills

>>79096031
The only song I found myself not loving in SJ was the regular battle theme. The rest were fantastic, really helped reinforce the atmosphere of the game but I just felt that the normal battle theme was all over the place. Then again, in my case battles were over so quickly in SJ that I rarely heard more than the first 20-odd seconds.

>>79096673
i have sexy nemissa and that bug happen to me.

>>79096029
it uses most of the songs for different things though, and pretty tastefully. Like SMT II boss theme when crazy things start happening.

The fact that the SMTI+II ost's kicked ass helps a lot

>>79096334
whaaaaaaaaaat

I went through all of Bien and never saw any of that. does it happen later in the game, after the first time you visit it?

>>79096761
I only heard about it on forums so its probably bullshit

I also have sexy nemissa but I never experienced the bug. Do you remember what spell triggered it? tbh its probably just some weird thing with memory values

>>79097074
After you finish up flame place you should go back to bien

>2013+1
>we still don't know the second place this track is played

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwry9mY6vCU

The first time is when you activate the gauntlet, no one seems to know what the second time is. People were saying alignment lock but thats deconfirmed

lets get on this /smtg/

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>>79096958
Oh that sounds neat, can't wait for the translation.

>>79097385
forgot to add, one of the devs said that its very intentional that its only played twice

>>79097204
Megido, i dont remember what demon.

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nobody plays SMT because you guys are all a bunch of fudging bullies

>>79098828

To be fair that's only the chaos asshole fanbase.

>>79098828

Fuck vanilla cake.

>>79098828
what a fucking faggot, not playing the games you like because of some guy you'll never meet who told you the games you like are bad

like seriously, how does one become such a fucking faggot

>>79099030
vanilla cake is for scrubs. you just aren't man enough to handle chocolate cake

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>>79098949
The worst chaosfags.

Why can't they do something useful like bring fertility to Tokyo like the rational chaos guys?

>>79099030
I bet you like chocolate dick too

>>79098949
SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST, BITCH

>>79098828
>People should play the games they like!
I agree entirely, what kind of faggot hates on-
>People attacked me for not playing games that aren't Persona, they're meanie heads!
JESUS CHRIST WHAT A FUCKING BITCH, GROW SOME NARDS

>>79099030
I will end you

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>TFW reign should have played in the last room of purgatorium with the white background and no enemies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v5_brLXMiI

>>79099260

Strawberry dick is the best.

>>79099272
Fun Fact: Every demon in a SMT game that has said that to me died shortly afterwards.

>>79098828
What a little bitch. He'd never make it in a world of STR.

>>79099446
neither would you

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>>79099193
I want to fuck NPC-kun.

>>79099639
Stan should have been in the game.

>>79099539
Say that to my face and not over Paradigm X.

>>79097385
wow

this is the kind of thing i would expect /smtg/ to be all over

anyone here have a capture card?

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>>79099398

Fun fact: In every game the demons talk about how they lost and were kicked out of heaven, and chaos endings are non canon. By their own logic they're eternal pussies, since law won the outer universe battle, and neutral seems to win most in universe battles. What has chaos ever won?

>>79099821
You're mother.

>>79099737
I know right

I tried to find it watching a play-through since I can't be bothered to replay the whole game again, but the guy talks too much

>>79099821
>Chaos endings are non canon.
Except they are canon. There's a vast multiverse out there with alternate world's and timelines.

This was a specific point in IV when they visited the worlds where Law or Chaos won, no to mention the number of alternate ones based on Flynn's actions at the end of IV and how both Walter and Jonathan believe he helped them, meaning one of them came from an alternate world.

>>79099821
>chaos endings are non canon
there's no such thing as canon in the SMT universe, since alternate timelines are such a huge part of the series. You could argue that neutral route is "canon" in SMT I because 20XX in SMT II follows from the neutral ending, but you'd be wrong because "Chaos" 20XX exists in the SMT universe, just Atlus never did a game on it

So I'm late to this but is the new arena game really that much of a ripoff of Nyarly? Seriously why did they do this, why create a whole new character that will quickly be forgotten when they can use one of the original antagonists that pushed around two games? Are they somehow ashamed of their earlier games or what?

>>79100227
I always wondered what happened to the Johnathan/Walter from the original world, since the one that appears after the reactor thinking you helped them wasn't pulled from the same timeline

>>79100426
They needed to throw in a unimpressive final boss.

>>79100472
Either eaten by demons or saved by Gabriel/Lilith to be killed/eaten/fused immediately.

>>79100562
What I find most sntrage about this is even on japan we were talking about Nyarly and how cool it was that he was gonna make a comeback

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>>79099936
seriously, if anyone here can stream the game we should have a "/smtg/ plays smt4" night, we could vote on decisions, demons and whatever, invite /pg/ so they can see what the fun is about

pic vaguely related

>> captcha: 420
yeah maybe

>>79100426
The writing of Ultimax seemed to be pretty shit even by Persona 4 standards, I really doubt the writers had that much inspiration when writing it let alone enough to put in a huge throwback like that.

Not that I wanted him involved at all, I couldn't imagine how badly they'd ruin his character. Nyarly worked because his convoluted plan that took 2 games to pull off actually ended up coming to fruition in IS. I don't think you could really pull him off without that kind of huge-stakes scenario the 2-part system Persona 2 used. It'd be like trying to make SMT1 have a huge impact but removing the nukes being dropped.

>>79100718
I'd rather do /smtg/ plays if... when it comes out, but that would get boring after a while

>>79100889
if and smt II have a lot of really slow, tedious moments, in if, there's the maze/mines where you save the principal, you literally have to wait an hour for those idiots to dig through all that shit

>>79099821

Worlds tend to end in chaos, since that's the terminology used to describe the conception at the beginning of nocturne. And then out of the chaotic vortex world comes a new Law as the basis for a new world.

>>79100867
They could have pulled it off if they pulled an Enoch.

Basically manipulate everything to go exactly as planned and then troll the characters by acting like you lose to them thanks to the power of friendship, only to reveal afterwards you were trolling the shit out of them and your real plan is going unhindered, while leaving them completely oblivious that your real plan succeeded and some bad shit is going to go down in the future with them unaware.

Of course this would only truly work if he hadn't came in at the end of Arena to gloat about his evil scheme.

>>79101123
>you literally have to wait an hour for those idiots to dig through all that shit
thank god for fast forward buttons

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>>79100867
Well he is one of the SMT villains that actually managed to achieve what he set out to do with every other character trying to make the best with what they have, something you only get on SMT1 and maybe 2, I also agree that it would be kind of hard for him to come back since he is in a kind of lock with the "contract" the P2 protagonists made using their memories, he is also one of the few persona villains that can and would restart the universe given the chance, what pisses me off is that they did nearly a 1-1 copy of him with the new guy that gets killed right away

>>79100718

>invite /pg/

that'll be your first mistake

>>79101192
4 times, 4 hours

grinding all the way

though with a snes /smtg/ could literally play the game, thanks to pokemon

>>79101291
they'd just bitch that isabeau doesn't get enough screen time

>>79101171
If they really wanted it to be part of the continuity they could have used the Arena games to reset the continuity like he did in P2 with Xibalba paving this way something new for P5

>>79101314
>though with a snes /smtg/ could literally play the game, thanks to pokemon
that could work with if... since you can't really die

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>>79101123
>>79101192
>>79101314
What if during the waiting game bit, the streamer put on an episode of some SMT related animation for us to enjoy? Could break up the time a bit.
>heard how about P4AG was
>decided to watch it with a friend to MST3K it up
>our faces when it's Itchy & Scrathcy & Marie: The Animated Series

>>79100263

This only requires a more specific definition of canon, that being, which events at the end of specific games lead into the events at the beginning of others. Just because all of the endings happen somewhere doesn't mean Atlus presents us with all of the beginnings to go with it. It's still possible to have a coherent conversation about which games follow from one another.

>>79101234
hoyyyyy lmao

>>79101468
our guardian would start to suck major balls though, unless we used democracy

>>79101476
idk what the policy towards streaming animus is, but i'm assuming the SMT animations aren't licensed in the US

>>79100867
One of the most hilarious things is that Sho is aparently something like a son of Shuji Ikutsuki and the fourth member of Strega that somehow survived the lethal drug that was said to be 100% lethal in as few as 5 fucking years

>>79101665
He had the fortune of having a plume of dusk inside him, which spawned a second personality with a persona that was completely under the second's control. Said personality would destroy if he felt that's what his other self wanted, which is what he wanted to do and planned on betraying Kagutsuchi. Unfortunately the gang fucked that up and we got unimpressive loser for a final boss.

>>79101665
thats... fucking awful script.

>>79101665
It's not that bad
Ikutski adopted Sho to perform an experiment on him where he put a plume of dusk in his head, this makes him go into a coma for 10 years and the personality from the plume of dusk tells him to isolate himself to get power

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In all honesty, if you could have one waifu from any smt game be transfered into the real world (with no magic powers) and you were forced to be in a relationship for them for at least three years, who would you pick? You can pick them at any stage of their development.

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>>79102060

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>>79102060

>>79102060
Chiaki

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>>79102058
Its funny because Itsuki really wasn't planning on there being another year, what with forcing the apocalypse to happen one way or another

>>79102137

Why does everyone have a retardboner for nemissa? she starts out impulsive and retarded, and ends marginally less retarded. If anything I would fuq hacker's sister.

>>79102210

Are you masochistic, or just republican?

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>>79102060

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>>79102231
I have a thing for characters who have amusing interactions with a world that is completely foreign to them.

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>>79102426

QT flynn or just regular flynn?

>>79102231
She's hot, bitchy, and appeals to people with possession fetishes. Pretty much the same appeal as Ankh from Kamen Rider OOO.

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>>79102231
Not to mention she doesn't even have her own body. You'd either have to be content with her living in your electronic devices (in which case she could easily fuck you up if you angered her or if she wanted to amuse herself by denying you access to devices you need to use, messing with your porn, shitposting on your behalf), find her a body to possess (which has it's own ramifications) or let her possess your body, which would be OK I guess if you like wearing leather, showing off all of your skin (and let's face it, we're called Fatluses for a reason) and slowly losing your soul (not that anyone on /smtg/ ever had one).

Besides, Marie is the far better SH girl.

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>>79102581
But what's the difference? Regular Flynn is already super cute.

>>79102606
>waifu who shitposts for me
I am now sad that I will never have this.

>>79102606
>shitposting on your behalf

I'd give anything for this

>>79102606

>(in which case she could easily fuck you up if you angered her or if she wanted to amuse herself by denying you access to devices you need to use, messing with your porn, shitposting on your behalf)

How are those not things a regular person could do?

Besides. We said no magic. We're talking if they had a regular human body. Which for nemissa would mean human form.

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>>79102060
Erika is the only good answer.

>>79102773
Messing with one's porn is something only a scumbag would do.

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>>79102060

>>79103652
what a whore

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>>79105064
Hacker, you forgot your image.

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>>79105064

>>79092071
I've never seen it in stores here, let along JB. I ended up just ordering it online for like 40.

>playing DDS NG+, right at the start
>decide to switch serph's skills around
>remove null attack in favour of drain fire in hopes of playing clever
>backfires horribly due to a failed prediction and the fact that STR-based serph has fuck all MP
I would never survive in the Junkyard.

>>79106216
Don't worry anon, if I was your friend in the junkyard, I would eat your body in remembrance of you.

>>79106358
At least I wouldn't be totally useless then.

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>>79106387
Can i haz your ass?

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>>79107471
Why do the people in the junkyard wear demonicas?

>>79074296
I haven't touched KMT1 in awhile, but I'm going to try to beat Medusa. Got me some new demons son.

>>79077043
someone needs to edit him a hat

IV was my first smt, and am playing SH now. When I fuse demons, do they only have their predetermined skills, no parent skills? The only demon that seems to get paremt skills is Zeed

>>79108826
Demons can inherit skills, but there are limits as to which skills they can inherit and some skills take priority over others.

>>79108826
It's been a while since I played it but I'm pretty sure they can get parent skills.

My postgame fusion resulted in a lot of skill switching to take on the more difficult bosses.

>>79078524
Not Canzah or whomever, but is this still needed? What are the tracks that need to be found?

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On a scale of SMT1 to Persona 3, how much reign will I have over fusion by the end of Strange Journey?

I really hated how strict it felt at first but by the end of Bootes it's grown on me. I just don't know if I'm not fully understanding it or if it's really so simple.

Is there a trick that I don't know about to getting more skills on demons without the use of sauces? I did minor testing to see if leveling demons up would increase how many skills their offspring would inherit but it didn't seem to affect anything. At this rate even using Mitamas and Elements is going to be a very calculated and precise process.

Regardless I'm going to fight the final boss with a godlike Jack Frost in my party even if it takes me hours.

>>79109094
Well assuming you change up your team a lot and help demons grow you'll get a lot of Forma to use. I never really liked Strange Journey but I'm sure you can nail a great set up. I had the Lachesis Sisters as my party for a while with some some good elemental skills, Luster Candy and a nice co-op attack.

>>79108917
>>79108994
Well, when I use the fusion program, it never asks me what skills to take like IV does

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>>79092993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLcXXz01Tn8

>>79109643
Because IV is for scrubs.

FUCK YOU THEN.

>>79109643
You mean actually selecting your skills? Oh no mate this is how SMT usually is, I'm pretty sure IV was the first game to adopt that system.

Select both demons to see the result, cancel out and then select both again and the skills will be different. The inheritance changes depending on the demon and it's random what skills will show up so just keep cancelling out until you're happy with the set up

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>>79109643
SMT IV and P4 Golden are the only games that outright let you pick a fused demon's skills like that.

>>79109867
Devil Survivor to an extent

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>>79109896
I completely forgot. And I just finished Overclocked a little while ago too.

>>79109961
Devil Survivor does it best. You can pick a couple of skills but the rest are predetermined.

>>79099030
>>79099148
IT APPEARS OUR CAKE PREFERENCES ARE DIFFERENT

>>79099148
>how does one become such a fucking faggot

by liking persona, amirite guyzz?
>highfives

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>>79110109

>>79110031
And then Devil Survivor 2 takes it into broken territory by allowing you to remove predetermined skills and add them to the selectable skills while fusing demons.
Repel All Purple Mirror, anyone?

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I like Marble cake. It's the best of both worlds

>>79110174
YOU KEEP YOUR VANILLA OUT OF MY GOD DAMN CHOCOLATE, WOMAN
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT BAKING CAKES ANYWAY

>>79110174
You can't even choose one or the other. Pathetic.

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>>79110236
>>79110290
Surely we can find some middle ground

>>79110373
YOU STAY THE HELL OUT OF MY KITCHEN TOO, MASAKADO.

I missed you faggots.

>>79077043
>>79082834
David vs. Matador

Who would win in a dance contest.

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I'm Neutral, I accept all cakes.

>>79110601
>not killing all cakes

>>79110601
But that also means the bad cakes. And how will you know which to eat?

>>79110601
I bet you have the same policy with dicks, fag.

What type of cake is law? Chaos?

>>79110731
Angel = Law
Devil = Chaos

>>79110601
What about ice cream cake?

>>79110691
He won't, and that's the problem.

>>79110790
>Implying ice cream cake isn't just ice cream delivered in the shape of a cake
You disgust me.

>>79110790
Law

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SMT4 in Yurop NEVER EVER

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>>79111795
P2EPP IN NA FUCKING WHEN?

>>79111886
>not knowing Japanese

Get a load of this faggot.

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>>79111968
FUCK YOU

>>79111886
>>79112064

stop avatarfagging you piece of garbage

>>79112116
Ok

>>79112116
Because I love you

>>79111886
>>79112064
I haven't played, and don't own, any versions of Persona 1 or 2. My autism about different versions of the P2 duology is literally the only reason I haven't played them. If Atlus released P2EPP in English, I would immediately buy it along with P1P and P2ISP to reward them. Hell, I'd probably even buy P3P even though I already have FES just to complete the set.

Why don't you want my money, Atlus? What's wrong with it?

>>79112617

Why release P2EPP when they can continue to shovel out more Persona 3/4 related stuff and make bank.

>>79112617
Because EPP sold like shit in japan

>>79112617
>I haven't played ... Persona 1 or 2
No, not autism. Fucking stupidity. You're missing out on fantastic games. GO FUCKING PLAY THEM.

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>all this new booru content
Many thanks.

>>79112617
>My autism about different versions of the P2 duology is literally the only reason I haven't played them.

so just play the psx version, shitlord

>>79113372
And settle for a fan translation? No thanks.

>>79113397
A fanslation is better than not playing the games at all due to some stupid arbitrary bullshit, idiot.

>>79113397
casualfag

Post edgy gamefaqs ways to summon personas in p5

>>79117038
wrist slitting

>>79117038
Why not just go there yourself, you lazy cunt?