AGDG - Amateur Game Development General

>>69477975

Active thread

>>69477975

This thread is much better I'll be posting my progress here

Speaking of the thread image, has there been a Crystal Gun Girl demo that I've missed?

>>69478501
And where is it?

>>69491452
On my computer.
You don't honestly expect me to post it so that you can rip it, do you?

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Whoever recommended me the structure and interpretation of computer programming a few weeks ago thanks it's been very helpful.

I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone know a convenient program to use to open .PSSG files?

I'm trying to get some images from a PS3 game and I'm very computer retarded. I've tried a few and they don't work out for one reason or another.

Yesterday I decided to learn C++, so I installed Allegro 5 and an IDE. After spending the whole day with it I still don't feeling like giving up, yet.

I don't seem to find the answer for this:

*****
ALLEGRO_AUDIO_STREAM *stream1;
al_install_audio();
al_reserve_samples(2);
al_init_acodec_addon();

stream1 = al_load_audio_stream("audio/music"+1|2+".mod", 4, 2048);
al_attach_audio_stream_to_mixer(stream1, al_get_default_mixer());
*****

What I want to do is to play "music1.mod" or "music2.mod" at random when the game starts.

How can I use strings and integers in the same line and then join them in a single string?

Any of you guys think of making short games/projects focused on certain experiences and atmospheres?

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soundbro with aspirations to join the ranks of you devs, I have a question over library selection: SDL or SFML?

im honestly trying to just learn things at my own pace, and i supposed i care the most about what will build the most foundation for my budding skills at programming and whatever has in depth tutorials.

im a guy willing to start out on c++, take that as me not wanting to trade time and simplicity for future functionality down the line

pls and thanks devbros

>>69514162
Sounds like the idea behind game jams.

>>69514648
Stuff like that sounds fun to, what I was thinking of was more of something like a music or sound producers comes up with a soundtrack or music in general and then people develop a short game based on that

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Oh look some sprites for my game.

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>>69515758
This one's older but still relevant.

Making a text based rpg in python, what's the easiest way to record movement on tiles in a maze represented by indices in a list? My options that I can see are creating a secondary list that players, monsters, items in the maze are put on only if they have a legal space in the maze, or by saving the value of the tile when they move on the space then replacing it as they move off the space

Anything obvious im missing?

>>69515758
These are too cute. also, boobs

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>>69515952
And some programming progress as well.

is there any difference between C# and Unity-C#?

>>69515758
Those don't look terrible against that incredibly light backdrop. Not enough contrast on the girl on the right.

>>69516207
hitbox animation data in order of appearance
>3-fast combo
>2-heavy combo
>aerial heavy
>aerial side heavy
>aerial light

>>69516215
Unity uses Mono I believe.

Not much a difference to .NET C#.

>>69516286
*look terrible

I can't type.

>>69516207
>>69516351
>website in the name field

you should learn from googlum

>>69515758
>>69515952
I gotta say compared to the art you posted earlier the sprites aren't as impressive

>2d
>can use for commercial games
>similar to Game Maker's drag-and-drop items plus scripting for behavior
>isn't Game Maker
Anything like this?

>>69517368
construct2

>>69517368
>liking D&D in Game Maker
I've heard Godot is good but I haven't tried it.

>>69517547
Cool.
>>69517552
I like scripting for behavior, but it's convenient to be able to drag an object onto the level and know where it will be.

>>69516536
>>69517172
Idk like generally this is much more efficient financially and I think I can still pull off the gameplay with this NGP-style.

>NGP only used three colors.
NGP could only render 146 colors at a time. Sprites didn't necessarily have to be 3 colors, SNK just wanted really really good backgrounds.

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I added the "Bang!" just for testing but I actually sort of like it.

>>69517806
>bangin'

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Should I try to make a street fighter clone or a smash clone /agdg/

>>69517969
Smash clone

>>69517969
have you ever played "the outfoxies"?
smash was a clone of this game. so you you want to make a clone of a clone.

>>69514210
welcome

>>69518376
I've played the game before and imo Smash is more inspired by outfoxies than an outright clone.

>>69519064
not that anyone answered, but i think i'll try my hand at sfml anyways

>>69519195
why not both?

>>69519227
i've already dabbled a bit at some of lazyfoo's sdl stuff, and i figured since no one was answering i'd just also dabble in sfml and get a feel for it myself.

so in a way, i kinda am trying both

>>69514210
>>69519195
SDL was what I got started on, but SFML is a lot higher level and therefore a lot less tedious to use

However I hear SDL 2.0 (which just came out last year I think) is some crazy shit, haven't got a chance to test it yet

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added a minimap.. i have a question about ui in general. the main focus on choosing the ui's color should be that its neutral enough that it never gets confused with whatever's going on in the game, right?

so in this case the minimap has a kinda bad color because its brown/orange, while the rest of the game is pretty brown/orange as well. is that right?

>>69519368
i had a hard time finding what exactly sdl2 was packing. sdl was never known for documentation you know?

>>69514210

if you want to build up your foundation, then I suggest you start with unity and make a promise to yourself never to use anything from the asset store, free or paid.
Learn C# and learn how to use scripting and all the basic code design (classes, functions, containers etc.)
Also quite important, learn the basics of game development such as keeping a task lists, having a game design document, version controls, online backups and good understandable-at-first-glance assets naming for all things (code, art, music)

>>69519473
Metroidvania?

>>69519524
ive never played metroid so i dont know

>>69519319
I recommend you use Unity:
- You have to pay for the full features, but for starting the free version is more than enough.
- It implements FMOD, that's a very advanced tool for scripting interactive and dynamic audio.
- You are still required to program, so no drag and drop, that's a plus.
- Easy to export to several platforms.

>>69519691
A platformer where you collect permanent power-ups that let you explore further, and reach new areas that you had to bypass earlier due to lack of said powerups.

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>>69519521
>>69519801
thanks a lot guys, i assume my couple of months of C++ will translate to C# well?

also what's beyond unity, theoretically i build foundation on unity and then what's the next step in my programming future?

>>69519814
not entirely i guess
you collect power ups/items that make you more powerful through their various combinations
you can explore an entire floor/area and you move to the next floor/area after you beat a boss
there will be some locked collections of rooms sometimes and you'll need to get some special item to be able to explore that collection of rooms, but its not the focus of the game

>>69519473
didnt you add a minimap a while ago ?

>>69520042

If you can utilize unity well, you will find that all other advanced game engine such as unreal or cryengine easy to use.
More important, your programming experience with unity make you very very high in demand in the video game industry since it imply you can code and design well, something that is desperately required by a lot of both companies and indies.
Other than that, just like make games

How shit am I if I can't wrap my hear around K&R's Exercise 1-23 and 1-24?

I've not started, but I can sort of guess how to do from 1-20 to 1-22. But 23 and 24? WTF? Am I supposed to just look for better ways to do shit on the Internet, or is the current knowledge provided enough to do that? I'm not even sure if doing those is worth my time for dev.

>>69520204
yea but it was temp drawings
trying to figure out how to make it look better now

>>69520354
thanks SO much for the help, you really pointed me in a clear direction

>>69520042
there is no next step after unity, this is the worst part for me.
Anything you learn from unity, will probably stay in unity
So I would recommend UE4, you can use c++ for everything, or use blueprints (I would use blueprints for content-related stuff though, like things that an artist would chance)
and then you have improved your c++
and with access to the source code you will learn a lot of good practices and learn how and why things work the way they do.

If your purpose is to make a quick simple game, Unity is easier to use, so unity still has some uses for me. But if you want to learn, UE4 will teach you much more. As long as you don't just stick to blueprints of course

>>69520415
I guess I pointed you in the unclear direction then?

>>69520461
>>69520556
nono, thanks to you too, man. I just really needed some perspective from people already doing what i was trying to get into is all.

>>69520609
ok, whatever you do, just don't blindly follow what anyone tells you, and make your own decisions in the end.
I think you will be ok, good luck

How do I make a video game so dumb that PewDiePie gets obsessed with it and generates a billion sales?

>>69520461
>Anything you learn from unity, will probably stay in unity
I don't know about that, man. Programming concept are programming concepts. He can just as easily pass the knowledge of game logic he gains from doing Unity projects to other areas. Completing a Unity project without the aid of the asset store is useful for your portfolio especially if you put your code up. No one's going to scoff at you using Unity over UE4. In fact, many developerrs these days ask for experience with ANY kind of engine, especially UE4, Unity, or CryEngine.

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>reminder

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Making a weapon for the boss. He'll have turret hardpoints, but also have the itano circus to use. Been trying to set up a good looking one for it, then I'll add some chaff or something for the player to use so they can survive other than just dodging.

>>69521031
Put a barrel into it. Throw a graphical error or two into it. Have a horror element to it. Wait patiently. Probably should make it in Unity as well.

>>69521223
how are you doing those trails exactly?

>>69521223
Missiles look really cool, but kinda like they just materialize out of nowhere instead of being dropped or launched.

So, Fuck It Jam starts today, right?

>pick your least favorite genre
>make a game in that genre
I guess I'm off to make a shitty monetized phone RTS? Or can I pretend that's just part of the RTS genre and pick something less awful?

>>69521479
They drop out from under the ship right now. The boss will have some missile hardpoints that I'll launch them from so they'll make more sense. Hopefully.

>>69521475
Trail Renderer in Unity. Slap it on an object, move it around, trail follows. You can configure a bunch of neat shit on them.

>Feeling depressed
>Kinda devan on gaem in living room
>Roomate walks in
>Whats that dude? Your game?
>Yeah
>Show him some stuff
>Woah thats cool, like really cool
>Hes impressed,my crotch swells
>Suddenly feel superior
>He leaves
>I make post on /agdg/

Fucking normal fags amirite? Impressed by a simple gml platformer, top kek

>>69521652
fuck off

What is your dev drink of choice?

No body told me angry orchard makes your pee smell like apples. I actually giggled out loud.

>>69521787
oceanspray cran+rasp

>>69521787
I'm drinking Captain Morgan 100. I'm also not devving right now, so... make whatever you want of that.

>>69521787
Busch

>>69521787
lemonade

>>69521787

If I'm trying to reach the Ballmer Peak I'm a fan of rum & coke, otherwise iced tea for me.

>>69521942
>rum & coke
add a slice of lemon to make it better

What does one actually have to do to create a jam? Just set up rules and dates?

>>69521787

COFFEE. any other answer = faggot

coffee in, code out

>>69521787
>Drinking entry level tier cider

Literally supermarket tier kek

>>69521985
and a place so people can see info about the jam, upload their games and other people can download them

If I have been using this system til now:
http://wiki.allegro.cc/index.php?title=Timers
How do I go about making it so that the game is now frame-independant, all while showing frames per second? Half-Life 2 normally runs at 300fps for me, but I could limit it to 30fps or 60fps and it would still play at the same speed. Thanks

>>69522051
http://gafferongames.com/game-physics/fix-your-timestep/

>>69521787
milk shakes for energy boosts
sparkling mineral water for hydration

>>69522032
Cool. Can people just upload to Dropbox and I link to them from a shared page?

I'd like to do that jam based around the random game title generator.

>>69522281
don't half do it
do it properly

>>69521787
Coffee
with bourbon on especially bad nights

>>69521787
How about anything NOT beer, cider, or anything non-hard liquer? And coffee, always coffee.

>>69522341
So, what? I have to pay for hosting?

>>69522405
i dont know im not a web developer. the last guy used pomf.se

>>69522405
I've heard great things about amazon hosting

>>69521985
An AGDG jam? You should make sure people are interested at first. Waifu jam was a success, over a dozen games made. But we've also had some duds. Interest for an AGDG jam has to be very high for it to even have a chance. And enough anons have to like the theme.

>>69522405
If you're too cheap, Digital Ocean is like $5 a month. Or go the extra shit mile and just use GoDaddy, or a blog, or whatever.

>>69522178
that doesnt help, it would be easier to see the Allegro tutorial converted

>>69512139
Right there you are trying to combine a string and an integer.

Random Game Name Jam:

1. Go to http://videogamena.me/
2. Generate 10 titles.
3. Pick the one that makes you laugh hardest.
4. Just like make game.

Y/N?

>>69522479
>>69522281
Probably means the theme would be from the random generator. So you click the thing, and make a game based on the theme you get.

probably require screencap with timestamps to prevent cheatings[/spoiler
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dat dither

>>69522615
Woo, I was right. Sorta.

>>69522615
>Pagan Pachinko Summoner
>Luigi's Basketball in the Desert
>Battle Handgun Dudes
>My Very Own Wedding at the Olympics
>Fisher Price Rainbow Paratroopers

Oh my god I want to make all of these games

>>69522615
>Fantastic Manlove Palace

Okay, I'm not even generating any further. This is my game.

>>69522615
>Y
I didn't participate in the first one.

>>69522615
Y

>>69522615
Deadline?

>>69522615
>Furry Rugby Interactive

I'm in

>>69522739
>>69522773
>>69522802
>>69522826
>>69522857
Alright. I'll make a web page in the morning and the jam itself will probably go from June 1-14. That sound okay to everyone?

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Villagers give up running and start cowering in fear when stuck/run too far so you don't have to chase them around the map

Is fucking up the captcha moots way of trying to make me buy 4chan pass

>>69522974
y

Repostan how to dev

First I write down the idea in a text file.

Then I write a bunch of "Wouldn't it be cool if ______" things about the idea.

Then brainstorm how the core features should work and throw those together. No comments, and shitty / fast code style for everything.

Once it actually works (because can't tell how exactly shit will need to be made until after it's been made) THEN I throw away that code. I re-implement it nicely the way it should be without the hacks and kludges. Then I go back to the "Wouldn't it be cool if" list and try one out, fast and dirty as hell. If it works, I might keep it. I make that a branch in my repo, and then revert and try something else (unless things depend on each other). Then I pick the most interesting ideas from those and merge them together. Once they work, I throw away those branches and make the nice beautiful commented and clean implementations.

All the while I'll be adding the odd "WIBCI ___?" ideas in that list and checking off ones that were shit. Very fucking important: Write down what was and wasn't cool as rationale under each idea so you don't fuck up and forget why and try to re-do some stupid shit that sounded good (again).

Get a prototype working with colored boxes. Then placeholder art. Iterate. Refine. Keep doing it.

Each dev day make a reasonable ToDo list of things you want to get done that day -- Then tear that shit in half, because everything takes longer than expected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planning_fallacy

Do that half of the list. SLEEP. I've logged SLOC and checklist progress. Crunch is actually slower than resting well and working hard with the time you have.

If anyone ever tries to set a deadline: Laugh in their face (this is very important), then point them to the wiki link above (not as important, they're morons).

Note: The daily plan is a far more important than the weekly, monthly or game plan. If you don't have a good plan for the day, you'll piss it away on AGDG.

>>69522934
June 14.

>>69522954
That sounds possible, actually. Make it a sports game AND a love sim, with steamy homosexual shower scenes.

>>69522974
no

>>69522974
Not sure what I'll be able to get done in two weeks, but all of my generated titles were pretty funny.

So, Yes.

>>69523009
Got dang, this looks slick. All the effects and animation are juicy as hell.

>>69523061
http://youtu.be/lOOByLUMjNQ?t=1m15s

Sounds mouthwatering

>>69523061
>Make it a sports game AND a love sim, with steamy homosexual shower scenes.
Shit, dude, I think you're on to something.

>>69522974
Don't forget, List it here for maximum AGDG buthurt:
http://compohub.net/

>>69522596

that tutorial teaches a way to make your game run at the same speed independently of the frame rate. That's what I understood you were looking for, judging by your post.

>>69523009
Cool.

What did you ever decide for the gib counter?

>>69522974
There seriously DOESN'T need to be a webpage. The thread OP with a certain image is more than enough. It's worked fine in the past.

>>69522615
>The Castle of the Spider Panic
>Retarded Frog Inspector
>Exciting Vampire Bandit

Oh, damn. I may need help picking a thing.

>>69522974
That's good.
What's the theme?

>>69523423
>>>/v/

>>69523324
I agree, but /agdg/ is insisting on one for some reason.
>>69523502
see >>69522615

: )

>>69523323
Still undecided; not sure if the original system for raising special skeletons was that great.

Considering having just certain areas of the map (weapon cache) where you can put up to 10 skeletons in and they just pop out as archer guys

: |

>>69523139
I could make it longer, but all the other jams I see around here are like a week. I'd love for it to be a month long, but I don't want /agdg/ to lose interest.

>>69521787
Jack

:^)

>>69523009
FUCKING GENOCIDE ENABLER

>>69522664
Can you share that shader with us?

>>69523667
No, no. Two weeks is great. I am just stupid slow about everything so I will personally have issue. Might make me learn to work faster though, so I'm game.

never participated in a jam before either

>>69523819
>I'm game
Just like make self.

>tfw too scared to post my anime style game because apparently anime is banned now

>>69524052
Just post it you goddamn WEEABOO

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rate my shitty sprites

>>69524052
No, anime OP's every thread, entirely unrelated to anything gamedev or AGDG are banned.

Post game.

>>69524052
good don't ever post it

>>69524052
It's not anime art style that's banned, as far as I know. It's people posting stupid anime reaction images constantly, or worse, avatarfagging with the same anime character over and over again.

>>69524052
>There are fagmasters in this very thread who actually report people for anything other than sea pee

I fucking hate four chain now

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>>69524052
DO IT FAGGOT

>>69524157
epig mimis dude

Anybody here have tips for platformer level design?

>>69524361
Just terrible that the level of discussion is so low.

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>>69524361
>steamgroup 'banter'

>>69524330
Knockback, precision jumps, sin wave enemies spawning infinitely

whathefuckamilooking at/10

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>>69524258
>>69524157
>>69524136

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See what happens when the weeb is not purged?

>>69524293
Reported, enjoy your 3 day vacation.

>>69524504
shit that was towards >>69524114

>>69524470
>>69524489
like a minute before this we were discussing aseprite/graphics gale

it ain't all shit

>>69524538
That's pretty fucking kawaii, nigga. But, why doesn't her skirt flutter when she's falling? Is it made of cardboard?

>>69524648
Lots of starch.

>>69523667
Yeah, do it.

And post it here:
>>69523224
Ignore "butthurt", it'll be fine.

Can make a website, or just include this in json on the doc:
>>>/vg/agdg

I like that gives anyone outside of AGDG no time to be aware of the jam before it gets listed, we have unfair advantage. Very fitting.

Not sure what to do about just listing jam in OP, hard to trust trolls pre-making new threads w/o jam info. Maybe first for jam. posts fix that.

> so random, even everything.

SOMEONE IS TRYING TO DERAIL THE THREAD.
DO NOT RESPOND.
REPORT, POST PROGRESS, AND MOVE ON.

is it true? anime avatarfagging is actually banned now? can I go back to /g/ then? awwww yisss nigga

>>69523797
http://wiki.unity3d.com/index.php/Dithering_Shader

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>>69524594

>>69524659
someone put an awful lot of effort into this

people just love drama when their lives are boring huh

>>69524659
Hmm the steam chat looks kinda fun.

Too bad I'm too scared to participate because of the already established hierarchy and that I really only know GML and not even that well.

>>69524801
If you go in there knowing only GML they will eat you alive. Especially hopoo.

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$700 worth of lamb.

>>69524597
I was just teasing you guys, baka.

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>>69524801
I'd go in just to see what it's like but I'm 2shy

>>69524575
:-)

>>69524896
I'd go into your room, but im too shy.

; _;

oh god I'm getting buzzed, my urges are leaking out

>>69524845
So, who killed the lamb? Internal bleeding and lack of cuts implies the ravens had little to do with it.

There are no other animals in the image except for hoofmarks in the snow, so it's clear that the other sheep killed the lamb.

>>69524981
Or it died of some medical condition. Cancer, heart defect, etc.

>>69525025
Probably anime exposure.

>>69524940
REKT

>>69524648
It's not his game, it's Coropata

>>69524845
What a fucking piece.

Goddamn I want that for my bathroom.

>>69524330
The area around the player is the player's mind.

Anything you want the player to react to must be within their mind.

Eg: If you make a ledge too far away, it will be out of sight and out of mind.

From wherever player is, consider the next place they can think about. If you have a ground path then a large chasm, then they go back to in-air platform path to get over the chasm -- If that in-air platform path was open to them they could have taken it first and thought that falling off will not kill them because everything was ground before they left the ground.

That is: Whatever the last thing in their "mind" will be what their mind remembers. I'm not saying not to use the forked high / low path, but if you make their decisions based on things their minds don't know too much then it will be more of a frustrating game of trial and error and less of a fun platformer based on skill. Gamedev can use any tool at their disposal, even ignorance, just remember to use "the unknown" wisely.

>>69524759
ah i see

>>69525157
Ah, my mistake. I actually remember seeing someone stream that game one time. Question still stands, though.

Sometimes when I dev really hard my bum hole sweats really badly.

this is normal correct?

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>>69524750
Thanks, man

>>69525373
l-lewd

>>69525254
He doesn't have a game, just shiposting.

>>69525469
How do you know?

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>>69525324
Yes, that's normal. No, you do not have to accept this.

We have the technology.

>>69525556
idk man

it kinda smells nice

How do you feel about games that use older looking graphics but use them well?

>>69525685
>but use them well?
They're fine.

Guys I'm drinking pretty hard, listening to emo music, and thinking about all those cute games I never got to make in High School.

Man I really fucked up.

: _;

>>69525618
Oh, your sewerpants will still form, but it will be atomized into the air by evaporation so that you can smell it better. Consider wiring a 12v PC fan to blow directly up your bum for maximum aromatics and instant fart spreading.

Bonus, if you dev nekked and have a wet shart, the shit can hit the fan.

>>69525685
gameplay>graphics

>>69525798
>wet shart, the shit can hit the fan.

Er n-no thanks

>>69525773
> : _;

Quasimodo, it's OK. You have genetic disease and will die alone rotting in the clock tower anyway.

>>69525685
>use them well

obviously good

>>69525773
You should make a game about making games in high school.

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>>69525773
Make those cute games now instead of feeling bad, anon

>>69525773
I'm drinking casually and playing video games
get on my level kiddo

Friendly reminder that some knowledge of calculus, elementary functions & their curves, derivatives and basic integration is essential to game development. Each time you multiply something by dt, you're actually doing integration. function curves are also the magic behind tweening.

Even you NEETs should invest some time in learning it.

You can do this for free on khanacademy.org

>>69525892
; _;

>>69525685
I like them, but am sort of getting tired 8bit / 16bit of pixel arts.

CGA is cool. There's EGA. Don't forget the old school vector graphics or low res 80's 3D wire and flat shaded.

It'll be fine even if over done, but just saying everything's starting to blend together and kind of samey.

>>69526013
Why do I need to know to know this shit when I can just download scripts and use them?

>>69526013
But anon, I do know calculus

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Progress took longer than usual because I decided to mess with scripts today. Made a wall sconce, meant to hold a ball of fuel of some sort.

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>>69525941
>tfw want to make a game set in high school
>japs ran the setting into the ground already
>if I ever make it everyone will compare my game to Persona and shitty galge and dismiss it

>>69525324
>>69525556
>dev'ing sitting down
>not dev'ing at a standup workstation
you'll be surprised how fit you can become by standing most of your day instead of sitting

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>>69525685
Take: You Have to Win the Game. (CGA)

>>69526102
How do feel about mechwarrior 4/older pre 2007 pc graphics

>>69526142

don't you have curiosity, anon? aren't you interested in how things work? don't you want to know more?

>>69526157

that's great, but don't you feel bad when you think probably 90% of agdg doesn't know, say, the derivative of ln(x)?

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>>69526102
> EGA

>>69526272
I do want to learn sempai ;_;

But I'm so alone

>tfw no dev sempai whoknows the maths to hug me and teach me and cuddle with

Why live man, my feelings are extra heavy tonight.

>>69526272
Not him, but I'm currently in Uni. I'm infinitely more concerned about people not knowing basic physics. I hear them ask each other, "Why do I need to know Newton's Laws/Torque/Linear Motion/etc.?" - and these people are civil and mechanical engineering majors.

I am very concerned for the future.

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>don't want to spend money to commission an artist
>all the artists I find willing to do it for free are okay but nowhere near as good as I think would be acceptable for video game artwork
>cave in and decide to look for a decent artist
>these commission prices

Mamma Mia.
Do you people do your artwork yourself or do you pay someone to do it for you?
I think finding a decent artist willing to do it for free and friendly would be the luckiest event to have.

>>69526470
>decent artist willing to do it for free and friendly
The only way this can possibly happen is if you're really good friends with an artist.

>>69526470
>not being 1MA

Get gud faggot, it might take you 10x as long to make game but you did it all by yourself.

>>69526272
>just learned calculus
>needs to show off his knowledge
as someone who knows calculus, i havent used it so far in any way whatsoever working on my game. you only need it if you're doing physics based stuff, and even then only if you're deriving your own formulas, which is hardly ever.

so yea, calculus is useless for game dev. there's no value to knowing the derivative of ln(x)

>>69526552
Loners are faggots.

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>>69526470
I want to remind you that not only is ascii an acceptable form of video game artwork, it can even look pretty good.

>>69526632
Well I am pretty faggy

>>69526404

then think less about senpai and more about sin(?)

>>69526463

well, I don't know about engineers, but game developers can be well served by basic physics. There isn't much need for, say, thermodynamics on a game.

>>69526608

I'm not showing off, I'm just saying it is useful. Any kind of oscillation can be done with sine/cosine, all kinds of tweening need function curves to work, integration is a big part of any game loop, etc. It's nice to know what's going on in your code.

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>>69526271
I like that era, but they should be stylistic.

One of the things that we ran into back then was CPU / Ram limits. Revisiting the old ways with new hardware opens up new possibilites. Less textures / lower res = WAY more polygons can be rendered. Esp. if flat shaded or simple direct lighting.

Kind of burned out on the "fixed function" look of the original Unreal and Quake2. But if you go back and use fixed function without textures, maybe use some wireframes atop them for details, etc. then you can revive interesting looks that are rarely seen.

Basically, I think of the hardware / graphics features as the "canvas" for the game. Using these elements, what can I make? People appreciate creating amazing things in limited mediums. Folks also like to see what games would have been like if they had the same tech level, but much faster computers. Like all the 2D pixel platformers with tons of sprites and particles and etc.

>>69526634
What about fucking 3D ascii, wrap your tiny brain around that .

>>69526737
you don't need derivation nor integration to understand how sine/cosine, tweens or your game loop works. you're trying to apply some knowledge you just learned, great, but it's not useful for everyone else because it actually doesn't give you that much of an advantage when coding whatever.

>>69526801
Yeah, I was thinking it'd be interesting to visit something like that and add something more to it. What were some of your favorite stylistic graphics from then?

>>69526552
>it might take you 10x as long to make game but you did it all by yourself.

And nobody would care. If you need to make difficult things even harder on yourself to feel any satisfaction, you need to reevaluate your priorities. I guarantee you finishing a game as part of a small team and having a few people enjoy it feels better than never getting anything done on your own and calling yourself a 'gamedev' even though you haven't even developed anything.

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>>69526894
It can be done.

>>69520367
Some of the K&R problems are hard to do right even for experienced people.

What matters is that if you try to do them, you spend a lot of time thinking about it and getting it done right.

Take baby steps.
Start with a basic parser that can tell if a line has a comment, then multiline comments, inline comments, etc.

You'll get it in time.

>>69526470
What are the prices you found? and what is your definition of acceptable

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>>69527162

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>>69527076
The PS1 era graphics are neat. I kind of have a soft spot for perspective incorrect texturing.

>>69526013
>tfw my game has engineering level math

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>>69526894
And now in 4D.

>>69527413
That's just a dumb shader over a normal 3D animation, tho

>>69527413
I only see 2 Dimensions

BTFO
T
F
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>>69527495
But it was so cool.

>>69527382
post your game

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>>69527641
Maybe I will one day.

>>69522615
Is using the randomly generated name as the title required? Or are we just using it as a theme and can title it whatever?

>>69526908

you don't NEED anything, but any knowledge helps. You can actually make a functional game without know shit about OOP, but knowing OOP will help you make the code cleaner, more readable, extensible, etc.

>>69527776
post your what you have then

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>>69527301
(continued)

Armored core is a great game from that era. Mechwarior surpassed it because more RAM on PC, but the mechanics were better / more arcade-like: movement / flying around was a core component, shared some mechanics with virtual-on. Mechwarrior was a bit slow and convoluted, we had two people manning the damn controls (I was only 13 at the time), but the graphics were neat.

The thing to notice about these is that the backgrounds have detail but aren't so noisy to make the actors / bots disappear. Mechwarrior failed in that regard on purpose. Stealth was a mechanic and radar / heat signatures were heavily used. Mechwarrior's HUD was actually it's prime gameplay interface. Not the game world. It's backdrop could be more muted because the real rendered world was just a stage / backdrop. It was all those wireframes and displays made and detailed cockpit graphics that were the real focus and interface, so they had to pop, and be active and useful. That type of style is largely missing from the games today -- You really felt like you were manning a machine of war. There are a lot of UI things we learned today that could make such games far less frustrating, see: radial context menus -- click and hold something, circle / hex menu pops out, flick mouse in the direction of the option and release (much better than select, then find keys and press it while your hand is trying to control torso twist and everything else).

>>69527903
Tfw you never beat silent line

>>69527495
It's probably not a shader.

>>69527808
>You can actually make a functional game without know shit about OOP, but knowing OOP will help you make the code cleaner, more readable, extensible, etc.
That's very debatable. You can achieve similar levels of cleanness, readability, extensibility with or without OOP. It's just that with doing it in a purely functional manner it's way harder and requires a lot more thought compared to OOP.

And yes, any knowledge helps. But trying to convince anons that they should learn X and waste a lot of their time on it for a very minimal gain is kinda bad.

Reminder that if your game cant run at 30 fps minimum on a Ti-83 you don't know shit about programming.

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>>69527985
What is it, then?

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Got transition thing working. Probably gonna need to finetune it later.

>>69528234
>it flips the background

Also why even have them talking apart when you could shove them on the same screen.

>>69528234
That will get really annoying very fast.

>>69528234
This makes me hype for some intense arguing, you better deliver

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>>69527903
>we had two people manning the damn controls
That actually sounds kinda fun, I'd like to see a multiplayer game with multiple people controlling a single mecha after gattai

>Spend all night getting drunk, crying, and layering scripts in a way that makes it look like I was working hard so my normal bros will see it in the morning on my laptop and they wont be on my back about not having a job.

Sorry had to get that off my chest.

>>69528234
>>69528340

reminds me of phoenix wright

>>69522615
Johnny Turbo's Lawnmower Crime Scene Investigation,
Ingenious Whale in the Magic Kingdom,
Small-Time Ninja Jihad,
and for the NSFW crowd...
Curse of the Nudist of Love.

... please tell me someone snagged a similar theme so we can double team one!

>>69528302
>>69528337
Ever played Ace Attorney?

>>69528482
I just hope you only keep it for specific scenes

>>69526608
>so yea, calculus is useless for game dev.
So you made a shitty platformer and assumed calculus wasn't necessary while making a game. Sure.

Integrating a function to get deterministic behavior with variable timestep is useless.
Using derivatives to write a ripple/warp shader is useless.
Writing any shader at all is useless.
Derivating a function you engineered so you can render a picture you can use during the above shader is useless.
Making your own noise implementation with your own twist is useless.

Math is one of the most important skill in game programming, anyone who disagree is just trying to make themselves feel better about their lack of skill.

So did someone really spend $700 on a sprite?

>>69528512
Yeah, this. It should only be used during climactic encounters and such

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>>69527903
The more recent Armored Core games went in a direction I didn't like. The older arcade style flying around dogging missiles and etc. were great. In AC1 I there was that city scape you could get on the buildings and have aerial "dogfights" (linked 2 systems / TVs in the living room) -- The missiles had enough homing turning radius that they'd circle back around, so I could dodge the volley and time it right then fire my own missiles while charging in behind them (using them as a guide), hit the other player with a melee weapon and we'd get enveloped in their own missiles, an unexpected finishing move that would do a large bar of damage.

I also liked the art style of Legend of Dragoon. However, pre-rendered backdrops + depth buffer ala FF7 era JRPGs is not my cup of tea (jarring to see low res models on that), I'm talking about the in-fight sequences.

>>69528115
I have one in TI-BASIC where you stack falling boxes that runs at about 5 fps. It is a lot faster on the 84 though.

How to know shit about programming only using BASIC?

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added persistence between maps
yahooo!!

>>69528302
I even left the P there to show it's not flipped

>>69528337
Probably has to do with the speed.

>>69528340
i-i'll try my best

>>69528205
ffmpeg. Seriously, start up your VLC player with web interface and connect to it over SSH terminal interface and it will render you a movie in ascii / ansi

>>69528525
>Integrating a function to get deterministic behavior with variable timestep is useless.
Could you explain this further?

>Using derivatives to write a ripple/warp shader is useless. Writing any shader at all is useless.
Could you explain this further as well. I've written many shaders (although only fragment shaders) and I don't see where I could have used derivatives. I mean, I can see how when you're using convolution to do something like blurring or edge detection understanding the concept of a derivative helps understand what's going on, but it's definitely not needed...

>Derivating a function you engineered so you can render a picture you can use during the above shader is useless.
Explain this further please I don't understand

>Math is one of the most important skill in game programming, anyone who disagree is just trying to make themselves feel better about their lack of skill.
You can go as complicated as you want with math or you can get stuff that's good enough that doesn't need a lot of it to be understood. It totally depends on who you are as a person and not on "it's the most important skill in game programming".

>>69528205
It's probably just a CPU script to transform an animated gif into ascii art. Making it on a shader is impractical, but still doable (you'd need a texture alphabet). And what's the point of using a really detailed gif if you're erasing almost everything on post-processing afterwards? Shit isn't smart.
/nitpicking

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>>69528648
(more)

>>69528205
see:
>>69528827

Watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1-glc16PHg
> dat matrix letters rendered to ASCII

Get the movie:
http://onyx.chattanoogastate.edu/~jack/matrix/

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In the drug/dream world, things will start getting glitchier as the boss takes more damage.

>>69529484
nice idea and nicely implemented

>>69529484
That looks pretty cool. Slowdown is also intended or just a recording fuck up?

>>69529612
Slowdown because shit-ass laptop that struggles to record and play at the same time.
>>69529581
ty

>>69529484

I really love your game ;_; it's my favorite project on agdg, please finish it.

>>69529689
There's no chance of it not being finished, but it may take a while.

Living in a hotel with no job isn't stopping me, but it does make it harder.

If you're not an artist you will never be able to finish (or get a decent following) on your game unless you're rich enough to pay an artist $700 a sprite.

>>69529950

how much is a while? 6 months? a year?

well, it doesn't matter as long as it gets done. you have good graphics, apparently good gameplay, and I'm very interested on how you intend to take on the themes you chose (transexual protagonist, feminist themes, etc).

>>69530036
One of my closest friends is an artist. What now?

>>69529116
I like your thoughts, how much harder was it to add in minor touches to stuff (as in like when you notice things in games and go TECHNOLOGY)? Do you think it was hard to implement effects and other stuff that could effect gameplay in some form?

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absolutely terrifying

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>>69527076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pARffij0KaA

This is also one of my favorite stylistically and thematically.

>>69522615
I've never participated in a jam before, is brainstorming ideas before the startdate alright?
I managed to get more than one fun one and instead of picking one I'm thinking of ideas for all of them and figuring out which one I could actually do with the time alloted

>>69530076
I'm expecting at least another year. I feel like I'm constantly revising old graphics so that's one reason for the delay, but the biggest chunk of time will be devoted to trying to make interesting missions with shit that hasn't really been done in games that I know of before.

>>69530593
Then I might buy it full price
it's nice seeing developers not going for the "just ship it"
although I think you should still get a goal for yourself, as in... what is "good enough"
what you think "good enough" is now though, or you will end up expanding the game forever.
You also have the possibility of shipping earlier, and then work on the second part

>>69530593

umm, just so you know the identity of your biggest fan, I'm ansdor aka catdev. we follow each other on tumblr (at least I think you follow me). Best luck on your project m8.

>>69530751
I mean, I've finished games before. I dragged my last major project out to two years. I've grown a lot since then and my current game accrued more content within a couple months than that game did in two years. The biggest thing is keeping organized, and since I'm working on missions now and recently mostly finished one, I think it's turning out fairly well. I'm working towards building things as I need them instead of making 091283109 things and trying to find a place for them later, which is what I did before.

>>69530796
I once tried reworking your cat sprite.

>>69529002
>deterministic behavior with variable timestep
Depending on the type of numerical integration you're using, you can get framerate dependant behavior.
The rectangle rule is easy and work perfectly fine if your timestep is fixed. The trapezoidal rule works great if your acceleration is constant (it is in most games).
But the best answer is just to integrate your acceleration function twice so you get the exact time to position formula. If you do that you don't need to update your position with deltaTime constantly, you just have to provide two date (start of simulation and current date) and that's it.
Great for particles and FX, anything which doesn't need to be rendered unless they're on screen. You could even compute the particle bounding box.
This guy explain better http://www.niksula.hut.fi/~hkankaan/Homepages/gravity.html

>Using derivatives to write a ripple/warp
Let's say you're trying to make a distort shader for your water/forcefield. You could use a 3D perlin noise (simplex is best in this case) to make the wavelike effect, or use a few sine function, or even a polar function like sin(radius+time) to make something like a water drip. In either case, you're going to need that function derivative so you can distort the scene behind. You could use a numerical derivative, but it's very slow. Or you could just use the actual derivative, which is probably isn't that hard to work out.

>Derivating a function you engineered
Instead of using a shader with a perlin noise written in it (which is really dumb BTW, don't ever do that) to distort something, you should just pre-render the distortion effect on an animated texture and just use that texture as a distortion map (even better if you're using decals so it react to bullets and shit). You still need basic calculus skills to pre-render that texture.

I'm kinda tired and english isn't my native language, sorry if i'm not making any sense.

>>69478230
How do you guys keep yourself focused on game work? I've always had focus problems but game work is particularly tough for me to work on and to keep chugging away.

Hello /agdg/

I created a game in Unity. Please have a look at it

http://maximumautism.web.fc2.com/puzz13.html

It's going to be a phone game

>>69530152
Actually that's the great 700 dollar Gorilla in the Room -- the huge gamedev dirty fucking secret.

It was SO MUCH EASIER. You see, when everything was software rendering (PS1 is basically software render w/ a little help) not only did the games look a lot different and more distinct from each other, but there was no GPU bottleneck between a graphical element and a gameplay / physics element.

So, lets say I added a fire particle. It was right there in main RAM. I didn't have to push it to the GPU and worry about bandwidth across the bus. I could have that fire particle update its position and just render the damn thing in the render pass without worry over sync. I could have EVERY particle interact with geometry that was in main memory -- No need to shove the geometry into a special buffer and hand it off to the GPU black box. In GPU land we can now have particle systems render fully on the GPU -- But since read-back is such a limiting factor only select "tracer round" particles can interact with gameplay. That's why your damn fire particles are going through the walls in 3D HW accelerated games. That's why every fire particle can't also be an emitter that catches fire to materials it touches (if that material is flagged as flammable) like we could so simply on software renders. These gameplay changing states in the GPU have to find their way to the CPU and then they have to synch over the network in case of network games. That's two bottle necks, but the real issue is when a game snapshot comes down because you lagged a bit and need to catch up: All those game changing particles will have to be shoved down the tiny little GPU bus bottleneck.

With pixel shaders we got back a little bit of freedom we scarified for performance. Geometry shaders gave us back a lot more. Compute shaders are giving us back even more freedom; See the trend? Shared memory architectures and heterogeneous compute is just getting us back to the glory days of software rendering.

>>69531153

I've also delayed my game a lot so I could work more on the graphics, but I think it's good enough now. I'll release it as soon as my finals end and I can add the final touches, and then I'm moving on to a more serious project too.

>>69531231
Switch up what you work on. Art one day, code next day, just plain idea-guy somedays. A side-project helps keep you focused on gamestuff while preventing burnout with the main project.

Take breaks to actually play some games.

>>69531231
Scheduling helps. If game dev is something you just do 'whenever', it's easier to put off, but when it's something you've specifically set aside time for, you can sit down and focus.

Also, set small daily goals. "Today I am going to do X, Y, and Z." Be realistic about what you're capable of but also try to push the limits of what you can make in a day. Even if you don't make it, the tangible goal might help you get farther than you would have otherwise.

>>69531257
get ready for shitstorm

>>69531395
Well, I think my problem is playing too many games. I think all day and night about game concepts, I just feel like I drag my feet too much on implementing them. Sometimes it's not wanting to learn stuff (I'm learning unity to work on prototypes and such) and part of it is getting distracted by life. I don't know if I can really do much with the last one, but the previous problems I feel are something I can solve. I'm just not sure how to do it.

>>69531257
it doesn't work

>>69531231

I need help focusing on other things. If I was left by myself, without university and household chores, I'd dev 10+ hours a day.

>>69531681
What happens?

>>69531645
>>69531429
Then this might help.

Set schedules. Get dressed as if you're leaving the house. Make it a big deal that you are doing something. Make it important and maybe you'll start treating it that way.

>>69531761
input doesn't work

>>69531765
This is on-target. Treat it like you're going to a job. Don't take hour-long breaks to play games or whatever, stay diligent. It's not as fun, but difficult things are rarely ever fun.

One thing that can help is having someone else hold you accountable. Ask someone - a parent, a close friend, a significant other - to call you once a day and ask you what you did that day. It helps if they're someone who knows games so that you can grill you about the things you've done and help you reflect on the day's work.

>>69531787
Not him, had this problem on my game too. Switch tabs, go back, and it should work.

>>69531787
You're using the arrow or wasd keys to move right?
You're also not able to move against opposing half circles facing your circle.

>>69530569

People reuse code from before the start date. Just build generic games ahead of time and theme them after jams when they start and you'll be the next big thing.

>>69532009
Because I don't even have $700 :(

>>69532013
the main menu at the start didn't work, but I did what the other guy said and it worked.
I don't really get the fun part of the game sorry.
you can kind of just mash the keys until you can't move, then move around a bit and keep going

>>69532024
I would only participate in a jam for the learning experience and to see what I could actually accomplish when pressed for time.

That defeats the purpose entirely. do people really do that? What's the point of joining if you're not going to keep to the spirit of the thing.

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>>69527076
Ah, found a better quality dragoon pic, but the stills don't do the game justice.

>>69532357
Because then you WIN THE JAM

Progress time, post what you've done today/yesterday

-Created the first part of a class which will control stat modifiers for my dungeon crawler
-Can add positive/negative percentages, as well as flat values
-Can calculate what a stat should be at given what stat it is and a base value
Basically, spells that affect stats, or gear and stuff will put these stat modifiers into this class, then whenever a stat has a mod added or removed, it'll tell it's listener to update the value it has saved.

Still a bit more planning to do, but this is a much smaller part of a bigger plan to make every spell in the game into a series of easily set modifiers and other stuff for things like damage.
Basically I want to make a spell by defining it as
"When added to a target, put these modifiers on it and do this much damage" and "When removed, remove those modifiers."

>>69532508
Meh.

>>69532562
That is some progress, anon.

I did nothing. I am a failure. I "painted" a simple doofy skything that may or may not be used in my game

>>69532690
Don't feel bad, I've spent the last 3-5 days doing nothing but reading manga, watching anime, and masturbating
I've got 10 days until my internship starts, so it's time to make it count and by that I mean more masturbation and manga

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>Write prototype in OpenGL
>Find out It doesn't work on everything that Isn't Linux or Windows
>Effectively gotta rewrite the entire thing in OpenGL ES and then I'd only really get Android
>Standard DirectX works on Xbox, Windows, Windows Phone

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>>69527076
Also: One must Fall was a great little robot fighting game from back when Epic still made "Megagames". Its sprites were pre-rendered 3D graphics (w/ touch-ups). Sonic's graphics looked "futuristic" to us because they were done the same way. Even Ultima..7? Can't remember the version, but it was around Ultima3D, they used 3D models to pre-render their sprites. This is WAY faster than doing sprites of each frame, and a trick that AGDG folks should probably pick up. You make your low res 3D model based on a concept sprite, and it forces you to use contrasting colors. Ortho projection to pre-render them. If you need more frames, or a different rotation or pose or size, you you can render them out at will.

Render to small 32x32, etc target size, then upscaled via nearest in game for pixel goodness -- You can also render out 2D normal maps this way (place your red light up, and green left, and blue on Z, render to the white model w/ no ambient = normal map texture) Once you've got the sprites made and animating the way you want with rough colors, you can go in and pixel art them up adding detail to the roughed in models -- use the overlay and burn, etc. tools in your editor.

That's how lots of great sprite based games were made: Rendered from 3D. It's starting to make a comeback, but it's a technique that's rare. I see most indie folks laboring over "old school" pixel art by hand, and not leveraging old school techniques that was used to make much of the retro art... Not that there's anything wrong with that, but look at Prince of Persia. Those sprites came from a recording of the dev's brother, it's a form of rotoscope.

For another example: There was a fighting game being posted here yesterday that looked like it was 3D rendered sprites: I could tell from the amazing sword sweeps and solid color areas with perfect proportions and smoothness.

A mech game like that could be pretty sweet.

I lost all of my motivation.

>>69533113
get it back

>>69501872
Is SICP really that thin?

>>69533113
Show us how far you got.

>>69532562
Fuck, I just found a bug and it might be an np-complete problem to solve

>>69532792
OpenGL ES is a subset of OpenGL. You don't rewrite the entire thing, you remove whatever isn't part of the subset.

>>69533113
some day, somewhere some dev will stoop to pick up a penny shining in an alleyway.

They'll have stumbled upon the place where all the lost motivation is drawn. And they'll have limitlessness motivation at their fingertips -- But the void will suck away their motivation before they can take it for themselves, as it has all other devs at one point or another.

>>69533151
You can not get back the lost motivation. It is gone. You must use inspiration to generate the motivation. That is the cycle. This is why a muse is drained by the admiring artist for inspiration... Because the void never gives back lost motivation. It can be quite inspiring, however...

>>69533270
Fuck it, I'm changing how it works

>>69532792
LibGDX and other frameworks give GL support and transport between Android, Win, Linux, Mac. Some even do both iOS and Android and WebGL.

Nice try Microsoft. Your Win8 store sucks. It's just charging end users a fee for each piece of software -- money MS never needed before. Us Devs pass the buck onto the users: We raise our price 30% so that MS can take it from the idiots that use their platforms.

>>69532792

>writing things DIRECTLY on openGL
>not abstracting everything so it's easy to change later

you brought this on yourself, anon

>tfw u want to go buy alcohol but your covered in you're own 6 day old sweat and jizz and don't want to be "that" guy

>>69533519
Take a shower, you scuzz.

>>69533519
A shower seriously takes like 5 minutes. Shower all the jizz off and go get booze.

Alternatively, don't buy booze and MAKE GAME

>>69533519
>tfw, just wet hair and face in sink then scrub it with a towel, put sweatpants on inside out, and heading to the booze shop.

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>>69533515
I wanted to see how far baremetal I could go.

>>69533479
You're missing the point /g/, don't try so hard.

>>69533634

when it comes to programming, /g/ is always right.

FREE SOFTWARE = BEST SOFTWARE

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>>69533714
>/g/ is always right.

I haven't done anything all day here (6 pm)
but I will go to the gym and go to swim now, they close at 8 on saturdays.
then I will have more motivation.

I'm actually just waiting until epic releases 4.2 of unreal engine, because they have a lot of improvements to car physics, and that's what I'm trying to get done now. I will try and actually make items or weapons tonight.

I propose that also besides posting progress, we post what we plan to make this day, and at the end of the day (your day) you post saying what you actually accomplished.


today's goal: make some sort of projectile that bounces off walls
today's extra goal: destroy the projectile after a certain number of wall hits.

Which is better, movement based on momentum and force, or "tight" movement that is an instantaneous velocity in the input direction?

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>>69533051
> sprites were pre-rendered 3D graphics (w/ touch-ups). Sonic's graphics looked "futuristic"

Horry shet! Why the fuck didn't I noticed that before?

>>69533824
depends on the game

>>69533778

what the fuck did you just say about me you little bitch?

>>69533824

depends on what gameplay you want, faget

>>69533568
>5 minutes
my showers usually take 40-50 minutes

>working on a game
>i don't really feel like working on this right now, but i got a really neat idea that i want to prototype so ill just start a new project and come back to this later
is this a bad idea

>>69533952
I shower in 5-20 minutes depending on how much I have to hurry
My girlfriend takes 1 hour...

>>69534029
>>69533859
>>69533780
take off that name
dont be like me

>>69533859
>>69533945
It's an open question. Elaborate your opinion on what each lends itself to.