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>INFORMATION & GUIDES
Latest patch: http://store.steampowered.com/news/19848/
New players: https://purgegamers.true.io/g/dota-2-guide/
Wiki: http://www.dota2.gamepedia.com/
Blog: http://blog.dota2.com/
Lore: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=35923
Guides: http://steamcommunity.com/app/570/guides
Cosmetic simulator: http://d2armory.com/
Competitive Scene: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Main_Page

>STATISTICS
Competitive DOTA 2 analysis: http://www.datdota.com/
DOTA 2 analysis: http://www.dotametrics.wordpress.com/
Personal statistics: http://www.dotabuff.com/
Personal statistics#2: http://yasp.co
Hero stats: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/heroes/herodata/
Hero and DPS calculator: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/apps/hero-calculator/

>NEWS & STREAMS
http://www.joindota.com/
http://www.gosugamers.net/
http://www.liquiddota.com/
livestreamer GUI: https://github.com/bastimeyer/livestreamer-twitch-gui

>BETTING
Cosmetic items: http://dota2lounge.com/

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1ST FOR EG IS THE MOST UNLIKABLE TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF DOTA 2
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who's the girl on zai's stream?
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Who /comfydota/ here?
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>>128800476
how much fucking ice cream you gonna eat bro
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>>128800187

Couldn't say right now. I would give them another 1 or tow lans to get some concrete results. I think currently this team can make top 6-4 at shanghai, currently winning is most definatly out of the question.

This lan has such a fucking shit format tho, it's really hard to tell where the current teams are coming out of starladder. bo3 Single elim and bo1 groups is borderline useless, also considering OG ehome and vg weren't at this lan I have no idea what the top 6-8 are.
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>>128800476
With all that gear you must be at least 5.5k right? I mean you've put so much effort and money into buying so much shit... I would really hate myself if I cared this much about dota and gaming and still sucked at it.
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>>128800406

That's not Alliance. Even all yuropoors except swedes will probably cheer for EG.
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Who is the best artist that does Dota?
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>>128800275
>overconfident
>americunts

i am western eu m8 and don't really have a diehard team to fanboy for. I just think this is the most rational analysis, I don't think allaince could beat lgd I 100% don't think they can beat eg. Perhaps a landslide was a bit too bold, but i would be surprised if the series went to 5 games.
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what are the best waifus of the patch?
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>>128800756
Why would Euros root for muslims?
They are getting overrun by them
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>>128800756
I hate EG because they're overconfident and smug. I hate Alliance because they're cucks and they're racist. Whoever wins I will lose.
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Should a 4k guy be able to carry a bunch of 2k players even though the other players on your team feed?
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is dota dead?

why couldn't valve just give us hat jew events?

they could of made it that you had to recycle items in order to play
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Dotards i need your opinion on this.

what would you do if you saw an overlay like this at a dota lan?
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>>128793765
>Diffusal Blade
>The most efficient item in the game in terms of Agi provided over cost
>Instead skipped for Manta/Basher/BKB
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>>128801074
According to d2g yes.
But according to common sense nope.
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>>128800406
team secret circa 2015 until rtz left is without a doubt the most unlikable team in the history of dota

EG only has RTZ and Sumail as unlikable faggots. old secret claimed that they were going to win everything, proceeded to lose everything, had a period of success where they were the most cocky assholes imaginable, and then went straight down the shitter
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>>128800476
That mousepad is fucking disgusting
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>>128801203
Din't you think it depends on the hero? Some heroes can carry the game 1 v 5 like Spectre
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>>128801041

How can Loda be called racist when well, you know...monkey troubles?
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>>128801153
that shits pretty annoying
i don't need a constant shot of people concentrating on looking at a monitor
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>>128801153
Is it me or all of their "champions" pose are the same?
and do they really only have 3 bans per team?
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>>128800860
Whoever makes these
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>>128801214
PPD has always felt that he is better than everyone else. Such an arrogant pompous prick. Universe and fear are cool though.
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>>128801153
Make a reddit thread
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>>128801116
>is dota dead?
game is fine but the esports and streaming scene is continuing to decline.

The retards in this community only want LE MEMES so any actual content is unsustainable. That's why you get people like action slacks, odpixel and such at your events. Also pro's have 0 chance of developing any other revenue streams so basically you have to be a top 10 team or your fucked. There is literally no hype - analysis content in the scene so lans have 0 context and the year has no structure.

Basically dota is the NEET game of esports, just living day to day until it's inevitable death from due to it's own incapabilities to look after itself.
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>>128801153
Hell no, I want to watch the game, not these greasy nerds.
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if only zai knew that i wanted him to cam because i think he's cute
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>>128801338
Bulldog is racist. Loda is not.
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>>128800967

Because their governments are filled with people like Alliance senpai.
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>>128801174
Its
Bad
On
New
Riki
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>>128801329
Yes it does. You also have to go mid. You need to pick a late game scaling hero that you play in the mid lane. Spectre might be able to do so.
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Is solo mmr and solo ranked really solo? What i mean is everyone who ques for solo ranked is not in a party right?
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>>128801748
Your Riki is shit and you have no idea how to properly play.
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>>128801686
Most of them are not. Most european countries are doing their best to keep refugees out.
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So what's the new metric valve are using in calibration matches?

I think it might be tower damage, but it wouldn't surprise me if they went with total stun duration or something like ward's placed or dewarded.
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>>128801417
why do you feel this way?

go watch some of his draft analysis videos or overviews of tournaments. he outright says when they were outplayed and he praises other captains when he is outpicked
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>>128801797
nope, you'll get paired with party stacks

you have to understand that valve doesn't have the money or manpower to make a solo queue, the technology just isn't there
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>>128801518
I thought league was dying. Anyway. CS GO master race coming in
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>>128801989
But isn't party stacks based on party mmr?
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Dota 2 Developer here. Won't post my personal information, obviously. Ask me and I'll answer anything that I can publicly provide.
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>>128801991
>sgares retired
>freaak is shit
>n0thing going back on the ganja soon
>ska is basically bad swag
>shroud given up on life
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>>128801991

League won't die until Riot makes LeL2, stops support and waits a few years.
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Hey anon, who's your favourite streamer? Pic related
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>>128801906
>new

They've used the same method for the past years

They take hero damage, hero healing, GPM, XPM, stuns landed/durations, wards purchased, tower damage and give you points based on your hero

>>128802106
yes
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>>128802285
>tfw dota esports will be dead by the time zai comes back

what a fucking waste.
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>>128801153
>flash teleport
>flash smite
>flash ignite

wow such variance
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>>128802285
>>128802420
No it won't, he might even get on a team after shanghai desu
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>>128802175
when will new hud be implemented?
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>>128802175
when is pit lord coming out
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>>128802420
He said he graduates in may
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>>128800406
>EG is saving American Dota
>Meanwhile China is dying
perfect
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>people writing lewd donation messages to my zai
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>>128802285
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>>128802175
Why do you want (you)'s so badly anon?
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>>128802175

If you mean user-purchased HUDs, then in a month or so.

If you mean a revamp, then no dice in about half quarter of the year.
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>>128802430
flash is 100% necessary.

There are very few times in the meta when it isn't taken on all champs. Last year hecrim would go top without it but that's one of the only times i can think of.
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>>128802175
Is bruno icefrog
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Anyone else on a winning streak?

Just wondering when forced 50 will kick in
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>>128802614
Nah TI6 will be won by another chinese dream team.
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Is ability draft available to watch in dota? I want to watch a few games before i play
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>>128800406
what is that?
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RATE
>R8
RATE
>R8

Best BH in here you niggers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBwAxmrE194
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I'm on Timber.
I'm murdering your safe lane carry.


What you gonna do about it bro.
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>>128802714
>mini map on the right
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hey senpai its me best lone druid on vg in the making

just posting progress, these are all my rankeds sicne i switched from unrakneds

pretty much all the games lost are just the ones not even arteezy would win, my last loss for example was my safelane lc getting carried super hard and deciding to throw, we had over 25k gold advantage but lost so yeah

if you have any lone druid tips share them but remember i will become better than you
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>>128802865
Concentration of dota 2 players world wide
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>>128802957
whats your average midas and radiance timings
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>>128802957
post dotabuff
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>>128802954
holy shit, chemo is not good for her.
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>>128803108
17-19 min midas, 38-42 min radiance.
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>>128802668
>>128802486

Misquoted

>>128802502
I don't handle that information. All I know is he's given no priority at all.
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>>128803108

>buyind midas on LD
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>>128798426
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>>128803014
>I don't handle that information, all I know is he's given no priority at all.
before you pretend to work at valve maybe you should do some research and realize that valve isn't a fucking top secret military company

fucking retard
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>>128802175
Is balancing the game even a part of your plan?
Because it seems all you want is forced flavours of the month.
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>>128803217
>38-42 min radiance.
nigger you slow.
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>>128802668
>>128803014
How will the hud revamp work with current user-purchased huds? Also can you fix the day-night timer on the timber fury hud?
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>>128803320

It's public monopoly so they don't upset the meme customers such as yourself. Gullible morons are promised everything to keep them paying for le hats
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>>128803397
It's hard to get a radiance when you are ganked 24/7.
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>>128802714
>>128802954

>blue ezreal still lives
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>>128802175
Can you please fix the exalted zeus arcana (people who unpacked it after the 1 week period didn't get the exalted tag)
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>>128801876
Ok anon thank you for your insight
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>>128803108
i dont buy midas very often, in more than half the loses i bought one i think and the games were over before i could get radiance at litearlly like 20min

even 1 or 2 min faster radi would at least give me a chance to win it

average radi is 18-22
fastest i got it was like 14 i think but it was a game where the enemy safelane just went jungling and left me alone after i killed him 2 times 1v1


timings honestly dont matter that much on druid, you just disrupt the safelane super hard get a radiance and push

their carry most likely wont have anything because you lone druided him and even if the game is looking grim somethign like 15-2 or whatever you can just win by grouping and pushing with radi i won games like that

if you want any item tips, from the small amount of games i have i can tell you i HATE phase midas or phase in general, you simply dont need it since you max rabid as second spell now and with basi spam it 24/7, bear runs super fast phase is only to dominate 1v1 other than that its an outdated build, get it late game so nothing blocks your bear

>>128803176
sorry i dont want anyone to stalk me
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>>128803857
>sorry i dont want anyone to stalk me

Nobody gives a fuck about you rofl
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How do we make this walking ult fun to play?
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>>128804114
git gud
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>do better than 3/4 of my team
>lose
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>>128804114

>AA is a walking ult

you're fucking retarded, literally all 4 of his abilities are good

if you want a walking ultimate look at Warlock
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>>128803310
Thanks! thats the one!
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>>128804367
>le 3 billion heal/damage spell
>le 1k AOE slow
>le anti meepo spell
no
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I wish they did something to make lesh playable again. Casting his spells feels like you have 2k ping
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item that decreases cast points when
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How do people build zeus now? Is aether lens really core on him?
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>>128804927
Just play rubick.
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>>128804927
judging by how the patches are going very soon
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>play all pick
>lose
>play all random
>win
???
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>>128804781
he is perfectly playable
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>>128805058
aether lens is super core on hereos that want to non stop cast shit but never be in any harm

zeus and omni of the top of my head are 2 best heroes to buy it on

it also increases your blink, which is also core, so yeah

against shit players you prolly can do some dumb shit like skipping bottle going midas etc, against good players if you wont go aether lens viel of discord the game will prolly be over by the time your epic bloodstone rush or whatever pays for itself
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How are Misery and Mindcontrol so bad at this game? How the fuck did they get invited to those teams?
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>>128805298
they arent bad at the game, you just saw lone druid vs dark seer and your conclusion is: WOW THIS DARK SEER IS SHIT

when this is just how the matchup goes, dark seer can do nothing once druid is lvl5 like litearlly nothing at all and so he lost the lane

if you werent 3k you would understand what happend

secret lost becuase they made tons of mistakes, everyone, like envy while napalmed turning to sunder someone when alliance is about to rax them instead of sundering one of his 4 allies at 100% hp ahead of him, you just wont win any lan playing so shit
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>>128802913
tfw nobody rates you
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>>128805808
its so shit its not worth the effort of posting 0/10
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>>128805630

MC failed at dark seer when Alliance did not have LD too.

Agree that Kuroky's drafts and leadership are a big problem which will keep Liquid from ever being a contender to win a major. That chase of Loda around the Alliance base when most of them were dead and raxes were waiting to be wrecked, FATA saving ulti, lane losing drafts...you don't see that shit from EG and that is because ppd can keep some kind of hold on Arteezy and Sumail.
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>>128804781
His spells have always had stupidly long cast animations, even when he was the OP hero of the patch.

It's a feature of the hero, just like how CM has shit movement speed. Toughen up and deal with it.
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Venge is pure sex!
I'm going to fuck Shendelzare!
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>>128806185
>It's a feature of the hero, just like how CM has shit movement speed.

Why is that slut so slow anyway
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>>128805630
MC died first blood to a fucking RUBICK JUGGERNAUT DUAL LANE
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>>128806354
Too much dick impaired her walking.
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Post 'em
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>>128806354
her feet are cold duh. the real question is why is she so dumb. she has like no intelligence.
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>>128806354
because icefrog loves gimmicks

hero is bad at something
instead of making the hero better at it he will make it better at something the hero is already good at

thats icefrog balacning 101

maybe its good becuase you dont get many just good at everything bland heroes, but you get tens of heroes like cm

buffing her ms just makes too much sense for icefrog to consider so instead frostbite will be aoe in next 5 patches so she jungles even faster
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>>128806703

>tfw wanting to see ppd pick an Universe dark seer so we can compare that to Misery and MC

Tbh we are more likely to see Tide or Void but one can dream.
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>enemy team wins
>guy i killed twice or some low amount of times on the enemy team adds me
>doesnt say anything but, "added u just 2 say gg ez git raped"
Errrrr what.
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assblasted dotards
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>>128806853

Brain processes slow down in extreme cold. Lina is smarter for a reason.
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>>128806730
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>>128804927
I actually had a dream about this.
I was playing Natures Prophet and the item reduced the cast point of my global blink so much it was almost instant
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>>128806334

Please do not sexualize my fiancée!
Venge is cute!
I'm going to marry Shendelzare!
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>>128807075
>icefrog in charge of in depth game design
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>>128806354
What is Tusk looking at lads?
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what went right?
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>>128807118
>>128806334
exclamation marks are a shibboleth of the brain damaged waifu addicted gigaNEET
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>>128807241
>cant crop
>normal games
>reddit meme avatar
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>>128806730
>commends
>44
>showing that amount as if you're proud of it
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>>128801367
based banana man
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>>128806874
I just want to know the actual lore reason.
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hopefully no team is stupid and bad enough to try and give real effort/strats/tactics/info away during a bad irrelevant poorfag honeypot tourney like starladder
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>>128807505
>dota 2
>lore
its because of all the dicks in her ass she can't run without without oozing shit
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>>128807439
>pepe is 10 years old already
man, time flies
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>>128807439
>get out normies these are muh memes
>you don't belong in muh sekrit club
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>>128807505

lore never had anything to do with balancing

shadow demon is stronger than sf and doom together yet he is a uber position5 cuck in the game while they are big dick late game monsters

i also like silencers lore, hes supposed to be this mage killer beefcake that caves their skulls in with his big muscles becuase magic is of no use against him but in the game hes mostly a beta cucklet too

so is undying desu etc, a lot of supports have alpha male war general bios
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>>128807960
>He's never been hit by a 200+ int silencers glaives
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>>128807770
>pepe
>4chan meme
it hasnt been one for years. and I dont care bout normies I just dont want reddit here (which includes a lot of normies)
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Will our hero, Techies, ever get buffed back into the realm of usefulness again?
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>>128807960

Shadow demon got rekt long ago by SF and Doom and is still gathering his strength, that is why he is so weak.

Undying is a general, but only of a zombie horde, not really a headsmasher himself.

Silencer will turn into a rightclicker if played as a core and has a skillset for it.
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>>128808268
you know who hates reddit hte most
reddit

you know what is therefore 4chanian

liking reddit
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>>128808271
Guaranteed (you)s with this one
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>>128808271
>annoying as fuck hero with litearlly a meme from 2006 as one of his spell icon

techies is reddit: the hero
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>>128802350
They don't take hero damage or hero healing anymore.
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Why aren't you playing Abaddon d2g?
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>>128808271

techies is inherently shit no matter what because he offers nothing in teamfights

he can't fit in a rat lineup because a rat lineup needs a strong 4 man teamfight

he doesn't work with 4p1 because no matter how slotted your Medusa gets you are going to lose fights 4v5

the hero just doesn't fucking work
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dead
fucking
game

dead
fucking
thread

only
china
may
revive
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>>128808562
Yes they do, they just scaled down the amount of points for certain heroes
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>>128808605
>he doesn't add anything to team fights

he does though
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>ult
>subvocalizers brains literally shut down
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>>128808518
Techies is the ourest hero there is, and you know it.
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elder titan picked at starladder
feelsgoodman
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>>128808823
how do i stop it senpai

dont just laugh but help
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>people unironically think alliance is relevant
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I'm going to shatter Shendelzare's bird pussy with my dick!
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>be on a winstreak
>winstreak is ended
>check my allies match history
>3 of them are on big loss streaks
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>>128808938
Lotus orb, euls, diffusal
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>>128808938
do something while you read to occupy your inner voice so you can't subvocalize

like counting
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>>128809181
do you realize how autistic that sounds
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>>128809426
t. monolingual subvocalizer
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>>128809426
Enjoy always reading like a literal fucking child.
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>>128809426
its a fucking /lit/ meme what did you expect?
something not autistic?
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>>128809704
guess you could say it's /lit/erally retarded
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>>128809776

nice pun reddit
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>there are mongoloid subvocalizing subhumans on d2g RIGHT NOW
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>>128808268
How about this one? Is this a meme still?
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>>128809819
>puns are reddit now
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Is it even possible to win a game against pub players competent enough to actually roam and gank with Storm and BH?
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Just make Echo Stomp an actual stun.
There, I fixed Elder Titan.
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be reminded of the activities of subhuman anime addicted shitskins
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>subbies will never git gud at reading
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>>128810018
>storm
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>>128809958
list of things that are reddit gets bigger day by day and puns is on that list as of now

adapt or depart back you know where
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>>128800406
success breeds jealousy
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>>128810085
not a new idea
but people will sperg over it with REEE ITS ALL FINE HE'S A GOOD HERO even though not even EG can win with him or ppd make a draft where he's actually useful and not a walking passive
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>>128810156
no, all not funny stuff is reddit
all funny stuff is from >us
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And I'm right back to where I started my grind

Why do matches only end in stomps one way or the other? It's rare that a match is relatively even all the way though
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>>128810085
>Make his spirit put players to sleep, but the stomp around his hero stun
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>the sharp dropoff in meme quality of the last two weeks
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>>128810381
volvo match making

gotta keep everyone 50%
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>>128810416
i like this suggestion very much, it goes well with his magical/physical concept

sleep = magic
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>>128810298
>>128810085
The sleep from Echo Stomp is a ridiculously niche ability that depends on coordinated teams AND the right lineup to be of any use.
If ET could actually stun, lets say for a reduced duration since a near-spammable 5 second AOE stun is probably too much, I would guarantee you would see ET in randoms more.
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>>128810381

if in football the team that is winning turned into gorillas while the losing team got their kneecaps shot at all games would be stomps too
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>>128801417

>"ppd has always felt that he is better than everyone else"

what is it about redditors and just pulling shit out of their ass and claiming it as fact? Are you aware of how retarded you sound.
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>there are still subhuman gameshiters on d2g
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>>128801580

I honestly cant tell if this is bait or not and it worries me.
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I've always wanted to be Tresdin's squire. I always enjoy fantasizing about entering the fountain with her after a long battle and slowly removing her armor, starting at the helmet and making my way down to her boots. The embarrassment I feel doing this in front of other female heroes only adds to the allure of the situation. She sits down on a stool and commands me to kneel down and remove her boots one at a time. "Is that a boner?" Rylai says. Akasha licks her lips, Rylai giggles, and Shendelzare glares at me. I try to cover it up out of embarrassment, but Tresdin kicks my hands away. "You haven't finished yet." I don't understand because I had already removed her armor, but after she gives me a look I realize that she wants me to remove her shoes as well. I take off her shoes and reveal her gorgeous feet, surprisingly soft despite her being a strong warrior, and extremely sweaty. "Lick the sweat off my feet, squire," she commands me. I hesitate for a moment and look over to the other girls. They all start giggling at me and whispering. Then I feel Tresdin's foot forced into my mouth with the other one covering my nose. The smell and taste of her sweaty feet causes my raging boner to grow even more. "Alright, squire, stand up and remove your clothes." Although embarrassed, I take all my clothes off. Suddenly I feel my position swapped with that of Shendelzare. Suddenly I'm lying beneath Akasha and Rylai, who had both taken their boots off, and were pressing their feet against my member. "No," Tresdin said, "He's mine." She runs over and gets on top of me. It's only now that I realize that she's holding Aghanim's Scepter, and I understand that nobody will be able to interfere with us. Her technique gets more and more intense until I am unable to hold back. I cum inside her pussy with the force of a hundred megacreeps. She gets off of me, and as I lay there quivering in pleasure she gets dressed and begins to chuckle. "Only 9 inches? Pathetic."
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>>128810834

>calling out biggotry worries me

typical conservacuck
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>>128810807
>There are still people who remotely mention or acknowledge the game at all still in /d2g/
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>Grand Final is a best of 3

welp, so much for that CIS Major.
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>>128810663
redditors have NEVER been able to stomach the fact that EG and PPD, Team and Player America, are the best in the world

redditors are all about `DAE le bernie sanders omgzg yurope so good muh healthcare and welfare for poors`
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>>128810928
why would that dumb whore wear a helmet in bed...
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>>128811060
underneath her helmet is another helmet
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>>128809081
Damn slut will shake her ass for anyone
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>>128809081
I'm not and I never will be a cuck. But holy shit I want to fuck Shendelzare so badly. The thought of arousing her near some ironwood branches entices me so much. I would lay down some branches (for the stat bonus as well as the bedding) and go to work. Of course Shendelzare hesitates at first, after all she is so full of hatred that the idea of arousal probably never crosses her mind. But I persist through, and do my best to intoxicate her with pleasure. But soon I find that it's not working. At least, it doesn't look like it's working. All of my efforts are only making her more and more enraged. Finally, when she should be at the peak, nearing her climax, she throws me over the pile of branches and screeches. "SKREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" she yells, and I look down for a moment to see that my dick and balls are gone, replaced with a soft, velvety, puffy pussy! I look over at Shendelzare and on her I see my fully engorged penis and low-hanging ballsack. Although terrified, the situation arouses me even more, and I soon feel waterfalls flowing out of my new lovemaker. Shendelzare bends me over and hatefucks me in my pussy with my own dick, and I find a new pleasure I could've only ever dreamed of.
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>>128811000

GRAND FINAL IS A BEST OF 3 , FUCK YOU SLAVLADDER, CHEAP FUCKS
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>Tresdin will never laugh at your tiny 9 inch dick
why live
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>>128811058
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SINCE WHEN VLADS WORKS FOR RANGED HEROES JUST GOT LE EPIC STOMPED BY DROW + 4 RANGED HEROES

THEY JUST GOT VLADS ON DAZZLE OOPS MIGHT AS WELL QUIT THE GAME THEN LMAO THANKS ICEFROG

>VLADS IS MELEE ONLY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE BROKEN OTHERWISE
D2G NOT LONG AGO

LLMFAFAFOAOFOASJDASDKJASKDJKASJDKL
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>>128811989
Memes my man do you speak those? Le teleporting leaf man is my favourite memer because he hits building and doesnt afraid. Noobs try to counterpick my leafman but they dont know that i know about everycounterpick scenario. THey go for things that give vision over my trees but i just buy shadowblade and tp out they never see it coming. I actually taught that one to bulldog i actually deserve the win but its whatever at least im not an autistic manchild likehe is lmao. Anoher one of my favourite heroes is broodmother. I usually go mid with her because she can lose the game realy quick and im all about being efficient so if i see that my team sucks i give them a false sense of security and bait them into thinking that i know what im doing. And to conclude my presentation on my top 3 heroes we have terrorblade. He is secretely OP this patch people just havent figured him out yet she does a lot of damage thanks to her skill that gives her damage and if you build stat items ur basically unkillable. People try to counter me with nukes so i usually build a pipe on him and just splitpish all day like leafman but with no trees so when i get ganked i just activate my pipe and TP out
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>>128811989
>rages
>used the rating system of DB
>is stupid
>loses
>must be PSJ SeemsGood
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>zai playing Dota 2
>actually playing SF4

why though
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>when you random and get a hero that you completely forgot existed
which hero is it, d2g?
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>>128812517
becuase dota is shit
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picking techies is one of the most 4chanian things a person can do
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which hitbox are we watching
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>>128812517
he was playing dragons dogma a bit a go too
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EG vs. Alliance in 9 hours families. I want your unbiased opinion on who you think is going to win.
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>>128813306

>kings of honepots vs eg
>in the most honeypot tourny of the year
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>>128813306
The gamers,.
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>>128813306

doesnt hold much weight no matter who wins considering its a Bo3.
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will Rubick ever get a useful spell to replace null field

like holy shit that ability is so bad it's comical
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>>128801367
>EG eating healthy to stay at the top of their game

Why are they so perfect?
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Why can't I find any good dota streams?

It's nothing but Russians and sub 2k cam models
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whats the maddest fanbase in dota
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>>128813913

because you use twitch that is literally reddit instead of based hitbox

>guy why cant i find a good dog shit to eat they all taste bad!
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>>128813913
this qtpi was streaming dota 2 4.6k this morning
now she must be getting drilled by her 9/10 6ft2 210lbs chadsky bf thoguh
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>>128813306
>best of 3
>no loser bracket

dota 2 lost as a whole
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is rapier the worst item in the game?
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>>128814164
she doesnt have a bf, last one abused her, she just plays games all day even if she doesnt stream it

she played wow before dota
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>>128814247
>loser bracket
i want this unamerican american meme to die
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>>128814164
>>128814373

does anyone know how she got the scar on her cheek?
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this guy has a point
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>>128813306
>honeypot game
zzzzzzz
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>>128813306
why would the final day start later than the other days and only have two best of 3's compared to the four bo3s prior days? wtf starladder
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>Lone Druid will never satisfy your daddy issues why even live?
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>>128813664
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>>128813563
you think rubick will get the same treatment that riki/LD/DP etc got?
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>>128813306
>Grand Final
>Bo3
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>>128815149
i tried a jungle LD earlier in a lobby to get a hang of the mechanics and recall n shit and got a 8 min midas and 19 min radiance
is it good ?
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how long until people get sick of this meta

before or after major?
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CSGO sucks.
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>>128815317
what boots and other shit did you get before the midas? did you stay in the jungle or push towers to actually contribute to your team?
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>>128812517
zais always been a fighting games nerd
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>>128815383

there will probably be a patch after major anyways so that it isn't just a replay of TI4
deathball is pretty boring for spectators
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>>128815383
its been the same meta since the end of ti4 and I've hated it since it started. Too bad im physically addicted to this game
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>>128815590
Give her back
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>>128815484
damn i forgot about boots completely
never left the jungle, no runes no towers.
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...

Hey!
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>>128815317
Man, that's like asking Toby what is the best build on Drow. I don't play LD. I just find his model hot. Daddy issue ahoy!
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>>128815729
>(And Artour)
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>>128815317
No radiance should be 12 minutes like antimage
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>Tryign to get good at Weaver
>Have lost the last 5 games with him because of ooga and Huskar/Dazzle combos

I don't understand why I can't pick an invis hero even once and not have an enemy team loaded with counterpicks and detection of every kind throughout the entire game.
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>>128816135
Come to 2k mmr
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>>128814482
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>>128816135
>Not picking invis heroes like Nyx and then staying off the map and farming jungle with Iron Talon and only joining teamfights, which makes the enemy team paranoid and they buy loads of sentries to try and catch you roaming alone or before the teamfight, but you're never caught
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Why is this general dead at this time every day? Every single fucking day?
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>>128816135
>picking skitskat the badriki
For what purpose?
You literally need a whole 4-5k gold item before you can even look at the enemy support without rolling over and dying, and that doesn't even cover doing ANY damage at all in a meta where you need to be up and doing damage as soon as the enemy CuCkports have their feet under them with an aether lens or otherwise.
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>lewis chokes loda
>suddenly alliance becomes good again

What if he choked Envy too?
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>>128816441
There is literally only activity during e-sports or patch week.
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>>128816441
game is dead
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>>128816441
>tfw no cloud9 dota 2 team
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>>128816865
>ET and IO
That gay pinoy shitpost from reddit being a real thing now?
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>>128810620
Is elder titan an offlaner or support?
>>
Did anyone saw MMY current hair?

JUST
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>>128810620
The problem is he needs more set up to even land his "set-ups"
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How good is the Starladder so far? Any good replays?
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>>128817572
No. Only stomps
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>>128816890
Perfect feet.
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>>128817572
its a honeypot lmao dont tell me you even tought of watching it, dont give them views

organizers need to know we dont give a fuck about honeypot lans
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>tfw ww3 won't hurry up and start so we can exterminate potato water drinking subhumans once and for all
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>>128817085
What?
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>>128817668
>all tourneys other than Majors and TI are honeypot
Majors were a mistake.
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>the finals start at 5 in the morning for me
is this how euros feel during TI?
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How the fuck is it possible for this retarded cunt am to win like literally trench bracket desu
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>>128818149
>Fucking 11AM
>Aight i'll be eating my toasts while watching esports then
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our girl reinessa is cosplaying as a slut

just letting you know fma
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>>128817925
My bad I am retarded
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>>128818230
tfw leaving for work when esports starts
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>>128818219
Fucking hell william pazza is fucking shit
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>no esports
JUST
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>>128818449
On a Sunday?
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>>128818449
Working on the day of our lord
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Which hero is the best at getting hero kills in laning i.e. without a gank?
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>>128818908
it honestly depends on how dumb your lane is

Medusa can get some easy kills if your opponent is braindead.
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>>128818908
Timbersaw
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>>128818520
>8 hours left just so I can watch 1 bo3
>>
I like playing specter but I hate building radiance. Its such a boring item. I just qblade shield tango roh boots vanguard radiance @ 25 minutes and then the game is over one way or the other.

Are there other ways to build specter? How do her illusions work with stats/bonus damage/whatever?
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>>128817696

>earth spirit kicks remnant
>>
Remember when elder titan was the skill version of earthshaker?
Earthshaker was just the tauren and Elder titan was the tauren chieftain. These days icefrog keeps buffing earthshaker and keeping GOODearthshaker irrelevant.
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>>128818149
>TI starts at ~9 pm up until 5-8 am

euro neet life is perfect for ti
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>>128819349
the russian that mains spectre and got highest mmr doesnt build radaince or if he does he does very late

just watch his games, there was one where he got like 40kills in 25min
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>>128815525
Give Templar back to me you monster
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>>128819349
from what i've heard a fun build is building cheaper stat items and just using your ultimate to get easy kills, instead of just farming for MUH RADIENCE
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>>128818149
Americans get fucked so hard with yuro LANs. Even chink LANs are better at least those usually start at like midnight or something.
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>>128820280
His supports were beyond on the ball and his opponents were beyond retarded that game.
>>
Is Dark Seer still good?
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>>128820728
i mean its still a 6k average game so the level of retardedness is guaranteed not to be higher than in any of your pubs
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>>128820754
Not with Oracle around
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>>128820835
>human beings
>guaranteed anything
>>
Demon's sister is a fucking QT.
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>>128821386

pics
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>>128820417
what would be a good example of cheap stat items?

>>128820280
do you know his username? I'm new to watching games.
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>>128821458
She was just on his stream, too lazy to pull up the vod, just look it up.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k6HDyUDhrY

does n0tail stream a lot on hitbox?
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>>128820754

LOL IRL DARK SEER
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>>128821610
But I'M too lazy to pull up the VOD. There must be some sort of middle ground here.
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How would one go about farming commends?

We're also pretending they matter for literally anything.
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>>128820754
>mfw that tiny fellow is sporting a better beard than i'll ever be able to grow
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why wont you watch my stream senpai?
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will 17uu cast the finals?
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look at all these free skines
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>>128820754
do you think the guy getting beaten is laughing in this video

he has to be rofling

hes like "you realize i could just kick you once and completely kill you right"
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>>128822165
>Alliance winning

good one m8
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>>128800476
>gaming equipment
14 year old detected
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>>128821915
Play Io
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>>128821740
But what if LOLI RL dark seer?
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>>128822165
I wouldn't bet either way.
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>>128819349
I usually buy quelling stout and tangoes and farm up my treads, then I buy diffusial and manta
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whats the best music to grind mmr?

is it memejazz?
its just relaxing and even when things are wrong it keeps me calm, but its not too bland to get bored of it
>>
Would Huskar be better or worse if he was melee?
>>
Who is the Pantheon of Dota 2?
>>
>try to get back into dota before ti5
>having fun with the meta
>ti5 ends, 6.85
>its shit
>6.86
>its shit
>6.87
>guess
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>>128822615
he would be the worst hero in the entire game im pretty sure

the whole reason why huskar became such cancer is that the destroys melee heroes 1v1 on lane and flash farmes the jungle with armlet

both undoable when melee, or at least way way way less effective
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>>128822615
At least it would make him less counter-intuitive but he would obviously need major buffs.
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Are badly are EG going to get btfo by Alliance?
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>>128822760
>destroys melee heroes 1v1 on lane
Are you implying he doesn't also destroy ranged heroes?

Also, should I get an early point in Q or is it completely not worth it?
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pre ti3 dota was the best. dota 1 included.

people weren't playing this retarded minmaxing style where they stack ancients every minute and shuffle their supports to mid while the mid starts jungling.

there was more soul in old dota and the mistakes added flair to each player's styles. now every player is indistinguishable from another.

.
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>>128823163
>Pick Techies
>Alliance isn't back
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Why is Alliance back when Navi is doing so poorly?
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>>128823372
I wish it was Na'Vi back over Alliance.
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>>128823372
No puppey or kuro to babysit them desu
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>>128823194
by destroying i mean literally not letting them get a single cs because they will lose like 200-300 hp for it every time

considering you rush armlet without boots when uncontested no you wont really destroy a ranged hero

and yeah the heal is super important i always got it lvl4

i played a lot of huskar before he was nerfed twice, went always spears passive spears heal, then 3 into spears (4 isnt that great of an upgrade) max passive mas heal

leave ult at lvl1 until you max everything else, it only slows more dogshit upgrade

he was free mmr but then he had 98% magic res, i cant imagine the build would change much now
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>>128823598
>4 isnt that great of an upgrade
lol
don't listen to this clown

Also going 4/4/1 is the proper build for early game fighting.
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>>128823541
kuro was left
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>>128802479
Hopefully Fear retires and he can play for EG
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Hello reddit
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>>128818908
True answer hands down is Broodmother until mid 4k MMR. People have absolutely no fucking idea how to deal with Broodmother and 90% of my games are just me chilling until level 3 then sending my babies on a tower to get triple kills
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>Alliance is a tier 1 team again
is dota 2 dead?
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>>128823763

if you think getting 33% more damage is more worth than literally immortality to nukes (raw regen means for example zeus ult cannot kill you ever unless casted the same milisecond as you toggle armlet then you are just retarded i guess

the differecne between lvl3 and lvl4 passive was huge, and only baddies maxed spears over it

its literally like 12dmg vs 120dmg for aghs upgraded zeus ult, guess which can and which cannot literally kill you unless the milisecond you toggled your armlet

if you played huskar when he was good and didnt max his passive over 4th point in spears you are either shit at the game or failed basic math or both
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guys quick I need a porn star lookalike for Reinessa.

help me out with this will ya?
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>tfw dota will die before we get to see nigerians ruin european servers
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>>128824491
Except you couldn't EVER fight as huskar without fucking max heal

So your talk about being "immortal" is meaningless, as your max E strategy was designed for early roshing, while not fighting until lvl 13 with every ability maxed.
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>>128824373

>keep nerfing "memeback"
>return of LET THE BODIES HIT THE RAX

You willingly chose this fate, d2g.
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>>128824737
They're already fucking up the physical end of the European servers.
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>Liquid lost vs. Alliance
literally how

Apologies for the late arrival to the news, been busy.
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>>128824979

People to this day do not ban Lone Druid against Alliance in a meta where LD is one of the top 3 heroes in the game
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>>128822614
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1SNRC6NaPI

all things minimal

got to keep your cool, got to stay on rhythm
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Why is LD strong in this patch dotards?
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>>128825156
LD made the series huh

So you'd say the balance of Alliance's tier-1/tier-2 status is dependent on an LD pick? If they get it banned out against them is it gg?
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>We live in a time where Lone Druid is actually picked in pro dotes
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>tfw crimson guard on alch
LITERALLY CAN'T DIE
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>>128820280
What is his name? can't figure this out.
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>>128825317
because icefrog buffed the ever loving shit out of him moron
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>>128825464
Explain further
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>>128825636
Roar is pretty fucking broken
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>>128825636
removed synergy and gave all the stats straight to the bear

new E is is really versatile and double iron talon is dope on him
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POST YFW ALLIANCE BTFOs EG.
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>>128826003
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>>128825403
How new
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>>128826003
Don't you remember TI4?
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>jimmy raging on stream again
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>>128825317

imagine a hero getting spell removed and instead getting a stun, but the spell wasnt removed at all it was just given to him for free

so yeah essentially lone druid starts at lvl 5 since 4 levels of synergy are already built in the hero, so now you can max rabid instead and have it 24/7 early game and a free stun


its like if you would take eartshaker, remove his passive but not really just make him start with it maxed and added another stun
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>>128826196
>implying anyone is old enough here to remember TI4
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>>128826196
It's actually possible that we could see omni/ss again. Holy shit that would be incredible to see. Too bad it's a BO3 right? Not sure it has great chances in that format, but a BO5 on the other hand...
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>>128826003
>Burton Guster reaction image
Fitting considering how he would probably think Alliance is capable of winning too.
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Can a dead phoenix use her ult and live again when affected by wk aghs?
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My feminine girlfriend
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How is this for a pub-tier specter farming build?

SKills: qeweerewwwrqqqsrsssssssss
One point in dagger to flee, then dispersal, then one in desolate, then max ult->dispersal->Desolate->Dagger

The idea to cover for the lack of vanguard damage block in the item build:

Tango Aquilia Boots radiance heart skaddi BOT butterfly moonshard rapier

I have 1400 mmr and am mostly working on not dying more than 4 times before 30 min. Is this build something retarted? what items should I drop for mkb/deso against certain opponents?
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>>128826613
Why don't you test for yourself?
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>>128826696
At that mmr you can do whatever and win
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are sl finals bo5? liquipedia says so and it said so somewhere else
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>>128826696
so you actually want to have 3 free slots until radiance?

yeah there is a reason you are sub2k

slots are the most valuable resource in the game, you should never waste them

throw in cheap items if you want to rush radi so hard, like wand pms iron talon, you simply need them
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>>128826696
>spec
>vanguard
maybe if its 5 years ago when passive play is rewarded.
At your mmr you can go cm hard carry and still win.
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>>128826696
As said above, the new specter "meta" is early efficient stats kill securing ganking. I have no idea how well this works below 5k mmr though. Why Aquila if you are going for early farm? Quelling blade seems closer to what you want especially with only 1 point in dagger for escapes. I would still build quelling blade for the extra right clicking.

>>128826915
This too

>>128826948
Learn to read idiot. He specifically isn't building vanguard and is going extra dispersal due to it.

>>128826948
>At your mmr you can go cm hard carry and still win.
>>128826859
>At that mmr you can do whatever and win
Why do you two even post? He obviously can't because he is a 1.5k mmr scrub. He probably loses half of his games. No one cares about your mmr penis, especially not any real life girls or friends you wish you had.
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>createhero wraith king doesnt work
>createhero skeleton king does
????
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>>128826915
Oh shit. well...2 slots. TP scroll is assumed. But yea. What would you recommend for items before I push radiance? I suck so minimal active items pls.
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Can our guys defeat the evil imperialist pigs tomorrow?
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>>128827376
çuckolds can't be our guys
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>>128827376
>Cucklliance
>beating America run by Trump
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>>128827618
Sydney?
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>alarm set
>sleeping on couch so I can wake up and watch dotes
>hockey to lull me to sleep
see you in seven hours bros
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This game has made me jaded and cynical and generally a bitter person yet after 3k hours I can't stop playing
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>redbull dropped LE CLASSIC JIMMY sponsorship
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>>128828016
jimmys a fucking clown
he compulsively throws every game
not to mention he's a shitskin jungle asian who listens to terrible music
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HAHAHAHA NAHAZ BTFO
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>>128828016
>can't win anything
>can't carry or support
>rages like crazy
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>>128828016
Was his sponsorship removed?
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LOL
JIMMY
NICE THROW RETARD
BLAME JYRO
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>>128827132
And surprise surprise, The only helpful advice is "don't build vanguard" and "fill out your inventory".

Why do people here pretend that they can actually play dota?

>>128826696
Real advice time: Try to die 0 times before 30 minutes. Getting a kill isn't worth the risk you put yourself at. R in teamfights to distract you enemies, It's stupidly effective at the 1k mmr range. Save your Q to flee when you see enemy heroes moving towards you:

Skills: QEWEEREWWWRQQQSR

it works, I guess. Don't use your Q for harass and your E doesn't' defend you against long range damage very well. It's why you will still build shield

Items: Tango Qblade Stout, PoorManShield CasualROH Treads Radiance, then get heart manta skaddi mkb manta as the match dictates.

Don't build vanguard.
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>>128828016
How is he gonna make money now? Is it finally time to go gigolo?
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>>128828291
lmao no thorins an edgelord
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>>128828504
i mean the gyro did just sit around and sap exp but

jimmy likes to yell at everyone then act like he's not mad
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>>128828712
Then he gets his team killed with a dumb play and goes "how did i throw?"
)))
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>>128828712
People ignore how much of a deal moral is in this game.
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Guys guys.
What if...
There was a Radiance that burnt Mana instead of Health
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>jimmy has no stout/vanguard vs a PL
???
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>>128828941
It will have the same shitty build up and still not be actual 6-slot material except on maybe 2 heroes and be a shit item that shouldn't exist. JUST LIKE RADIANCE
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>>128823976
He's a sub right now, but i don't know if he would want to go to a 4 position again
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>>128828941
it's called KotL and diffusal blade
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>Love playing playmaker heroes Beastmaster, puck, batrider
>that means i rely on my pub teams

Help
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In a uncoordinated team why would anyone pick spirit breaker over clockwerk?
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My first time ever settling a quarry, damn it was fun. Just deleting things.
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>>128829287
why censor your name

you're obviously new to the game no need to be embarassed :3
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>>128829287
>normal skill
>winning with 5 greedy carries on your team
>people like this share 'opinions' in /d2g/.
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>>128829458
I just come here to read and ask stuff, I'm not pretending to know shit.
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How much have you put on the game tonight?
for some reason the odds for game 3 are in Alliance's favor?
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>>128829458
>winning with 5 greedy carries on your team
>in 36 minutes
>against early game dominators like lina and chen

lol, normal skill! :)

i-it's not like i play there or anything...baka....
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>Build Midas, Iron Talon, (Battlefury/MoM), Boots of Travel, Radiance, Mjollnir
>Farm all game
>Do nothing else
>Throw game but get 0 reports
Heh
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Antimage buff.
Magic shield now reflects magic damage as damage to mana.
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>Jimmy will be 5k trash soon
I don't know how I feel about this
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>>128829634
gambling is a disease
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>>128829881
>jimmy is complete trash and sits around 5k
>gets thousands of viewers
>ixmike is high rank and gets little viewers
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>>128830080
Stay jelly
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>>128829634
get a load of this high roller
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>>128830080
mike stop posting
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>>128824346
>broodmother
>laning
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How do I deal with legion commander? every match I'm against her I lose even if we rape her early game she always catches back up. What heroes and items counter her?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BAmmzTDRWGf/

WHAT THE FUCK, IS SLACKS ON D2G?
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How long till Alliance VS EG?
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>>128830003
>boohoo ur having fun with a few gabedollars
>>128830143
>boohoo ur not betting enough gabedollars

dotards?
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>>128830241
>What heroes and items counter her?
halberd
euls
hex
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>>128819281
is that kennys
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>>128830310
That is reddit.
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Why the fuck are they starting extra late today?
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>>128828015
post tummy/id cutie
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are the finals best of five? does anyone know?
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>>128822614
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yydZbVoCbn0

best academy awarded soundtrack
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>>128822614
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMdDmPjThlc
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>>128830521
3
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>>128830762
>LAN Final
>BO3
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>legion dives under tower against a lone Luna without any of us nearby
>dies of fucking course Luna had ult
>OMG WHERE ARE THE WARDS, USELESS TEAM
Also pic related happened about 5 times.

Region lock when
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>not going super saiyan build https://youtu.be/0VX2AlFjD8Y
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>LC jungler on your team
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>>128831187
>jungle LC on the other team
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>>128831338
>LC team on the other jungle
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>>128830241
Spectre
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My offlane PL rushed bf first and says he's 5.1k

What's your excuse
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what are the current factors that determine your mmr when you get out of placement matches?
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>>128830241
Dazzle/oracle/heals/stuns/silences/right click/burst/wards

About 90% of the game really
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I'm a 3k shitter so was just wanted to ask my 6k senpais on d2g if ee is actually good (for a pro)
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>watch ppd vlog
>bananaman's backpack is labelled Mr Tallgeese
P O T T E R Y
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>>128832160
how gud you are at the game
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>>128807241
>fps 40
>those gwaphics
i fucking hate poor people
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>>128832736
you are literally playing a poorfag game you retard.
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>>128808605
>I came here during 6.85; the post

I bet you think Sniper or Troll Warlord could never be useful either, shitter
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>>128809565
>2016
>not subvocalizing

enjoy looking at books and pretending to read, faggot
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>>128808605
>no matter how slotted your Medusa gets you are going to lose fights 4v5

This is an outright lie.

A 6 slotted Medusa / Spectre will decimate teamfights.
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>>128832652
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>people raging and throwing shitfits in 10v10

Why
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>>128833338
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>try to win
>lose
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>bkb is removed

Which hero becomes cancer?
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Who /misses 6.83/ here?
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>>128833519
Does she lifesteal off the split shots?
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>>128833519
what's hte point of turning drow into medusa
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>>128833978
timbersaw, tinker, OD
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>>128833697
>Don't even try to win
>Win anyway
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>>128830241
Anyone who builds a Basher.
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>>128834206
drow comes online and out damages her way sooner, silly
drow is for early game, aghs is for trying to purpose her into a decent enough lategame hero
medusa is solely mid-late
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why does dota have such a terrible streamer scene
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there is literally no point in having a higher mmr than 4k
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>>128834806
It started with singshit and then it turned into a must be to everybody
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>>128833716
>vangaurd
HoTD is better in every possible way
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>>128835357
how so?
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